How To Take Accountability ft.

There's a recurring trend of white content creators building their platforms on bigoted content and then apologizing years after the fact. I explored that phenomenon and how we can decipher sincerity and/or what those creators can do going forward by interviewing ‪@iDubbbzTV‬ and Franchesca Ramsey
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[@AnisaJ]

Thanks for bringing ian on to talk and being more than fair with him. I know he felt really good about the conversation and talked about it for days after. This was a really nice watch and I enjoyed the back and forth with Francesca. I think this is a helpful convo for just base understanding of why the world is the way that it is and I hope more people can be honest and open in the future so we can get to a better place. We really appreciate you and I admire you.

[@olurinatti]

💗thank you Anisa! I appreciate you both being so open and receptive, It was a great conversation!

[@BankC6969]

@@olurinattiOlay, this was amazing. I didn’t even know who idubz was but this seems sincere. I hope that he follows through! 💯

[@kevjumbanigahigafan1]

​@@mephistophelesghost6712 maybe thats all you heard as a weak person. but anyone who is strong heard the subtext and know that "even if no one accepts my apology. I will still always do the right thing." You are more spinless than you will ever know right now, but there is always tomorrow.

[@lc360]

@@mephistophelesghost6712 me before years of therapy

[@ftwallday3112]

​@@mephistophelesghost6712lmao White supremacist triggered

[@Born-Liberated_EmpatheticWorld]

Olayemi face card never declines. Skin glowing.

[@olurinatti]

🥹🥹🥰

[@ForeignManinaForeignLand]

I BEEN WAITINGGGGGG 🎶🎵

[@olurinatti]

IT FINALLY REACH!! 🙌🏾

[@Facerip]

I’d rather have a reformed bigot than an unchanged bigot.

[@omegahaxors9-11]

Though don't forget the likes of ShoeOnHead who never changed, they were still grifting fascists. Whenever it starts being profitable to "reform" you're going to get a lot of fakes like that.

[@tamarbeker1701]

Exactly

[@ambatuBUHSURK]

wtf is a "reformed bigot" if they're reformed then they're not a bigot. What an essentialist take.

[@vividao4123]

Even worse, someone who converts to bigotry.

[@machsimillian14]

I'd say to hell with the both of them. This whole notion of, "I rose to the top burning the world to the ground on the way there, now that I'm comfortable, I'm sorry for the harm that I did, let's be friends" attitude and grift needs to be done away with. Chris Christie, Michael Cohen, Liz Cheney...people of this ilk need to disappear.

[@nspade9252]

One thing I'd like to point out about the potential of incentivizing bigotry here is that historically speaking, going from bigoted "edgy" humor to left-wing (regardless of how earnest a change it is) isn't really a successful grift. It usually means having to find a new audience while contending with an old one that hates you. Where on the flip side, the whole "why I left the left" thing works because those people A: never actually were left wing, and B: are usually getting paid directly to say what they say.

[@bkk1996]

Very important point that gets convoluted by all of the reactionaries whining about George Soros. The real money is on the other side. But bc Hasan exists then every leftist creator is a champagne socialist millionaire grifter which is wholly unserious but effective.

[@AnonCitizenxx]

I think Ian should tally up all the money he made on ads from his videos and donate that amount lmao

[@celondelon351]

Although many creators going right to left have already made money and reinvested it, so it’s not about the money it’s about safety. The right and far right wing have been called out for inciting real life events, therefore many make money and leave.

[@Sunny-kt1ni]

I do think that in these situations people can mistake moving left from the far right with becoming a leftist though. Like how a colourblind centrist can seem progressive compared to a white supremacist. People will be applauded for adopting the most basic progressive ideas and people say it’s genuine because far right content is more profitable when there’s also a big market for more centrist, center-left ideas. What really matters is having an ideological backbone based in leftist theory instead of vaguely gesturing at being a leftist, the latter doesn’t require people to fully dismantle and replace the way of thinking that led them to the right. I say this as a general warning, I don’t follow idubbs closely enough to know if he’s a true leftist and unless he's switching to discussing leftism I think it would take knowing him personally to know for sure. I just wouldn’t say it can’t be a successful grift.

[@chrisbeltran6148]

⁠@@AnonCitizenxxThis to me sounds good on paper, like yeah why not donate all the money you made from the bigoted content and donate it, but for some reason tho to me it does not feel genuine enough. Maybe someone else can explain it better than me, but donating that feels like you are just throwing money at a problem and hoping for the best…..but what do I know 🙃

[@KetsubanSolo]

I'm glad to see iDubbbz being a guest. He's usually the puppetmaster in these situations.

[@TheRaspberryExperiment]

You were the perfect person to have done this. Your way of communicating and reaching people like this is unmatched

[@PokeLitProf8648]

A yt people whisperer bahahahahaha, that’s great. I love it. She can whisper to me anytime 😂😂

[@Cancellator5000]

Yeah, hopefully this is the beginning of a series of conversations like this between iDubbbz and black content creators that helps him feel less anxious about taking a step towards being a positive force in the youtube community. The harm he did is done and as with reparations the interest on the debt is more than he alone can pay, but I think from my perspective there are two options. He can either decide that he doesn't deserve the platform because of what he did or he can decide to do something positive with it. I prefer the latter approach as these kinds of conversations are ones that should be had.

[@katie5737]

Thank heavens he finally understood that he owes financial recompense lol

[@impoohnotsheisty]

This was a rough listen......like not being around black people is no excuse for what he did/said hard stop. We as a community are......if he want's to do the work and be a better man/person then he needs to do the work absent of black people stamping him for approval and allowing him the co-sign. What he did and the environment he created are way more damaging and intentionally destructive. For me these people who have spent time being one way are not and should not be allowed to get a co-sign from us. F him. His apology does nothing for her fear nothing for her safety and he knew what he was doing. He said he was open to an apology no he needs to he must apologize. I am familiar with you Ms.Olurin and am new to your content, you're a great interviewer, keep it up and I look forward to seeing more content from you.

[@SmartStart24]

I totally agree with you! This is my theory: I still don’t think he has any real compassion or understanding for Black people. I think he just got with a liberal woman and the tides of the internet started turning and as he admitted himself he started to become “embarrassed” for his past. The circles he was starting to be involved in were starting to look at him funny. I really think he cares more about being accepted by liberal white people which has now become his circle due to his wife and his new endeavors. He even says himself he has no Black friends…. How tf?! For someone as worldly and exposed to different circles as him, that’s a conscious choice. I don’t really think he really understands or deeply cares about how he affected Black people and Black *kids* no less!

[@Stamara2011]

Thank you this is my sentiment exactly and trolls in here defending him saying that we are angry. Most perceptive black people see through the BS and feel very mush like Francesca. This is all about money and being marketable to forever make. money. He only changes when it got really real. I have not doubt he harbors those same racist feelings about black people. People talk a good game without any actions

[@ShmazProducts]

Something Franchessca said really made me think about the failure of new atheism and the broader skepticism movement that came from that: They often came from a critical perspective and gave nothing more than "discard faith and trust science," which isn't necessarily bad but also far from good enough. Anyway, great discussion so far! Back to watching...

[@5Amigos32]

They really leaned hard into the "facts don't care about your feelings" mindset and it is no wonder that so many became right wing reactionaries. Belief it or not is a newer atheist channel that is heavily focused on empathy. They aren't about debunking things. They are about looking at how the actions and messaging of the church affects people.

[@ShmazProducts]

@@5Amigos32 Yeah, I agree with you there. I think the reason "bread tube" never would amount to anything is related. The folks involved rejected the label and stuck to themselves. "Cornbread tube" intrinsically understands the need for empathy and cooperation. I've been trying to find similarities between new atheism, skepticism and bread tube. All things I've been interested in, and all things that seemed to have failed in different ways for similar reasons.

[@YouTubeUser24601]

As a recovering bigot myself this convo is invaluable for me. Thank you.

[@troy6646]

Ik this is serious but recovering bigot is hilarious to me. Not making fun of u

[@AnonCitizenxx]

You will never find a woman to mind break you as bad as Ian's wife lmao

[@DylonCorp]

​@@AnonCitizenxxwe get it, you badly wish someone cared about you enough to help you recover from your bigotry but no one does

[@ampersandyyy]

@@DylonCorpNot even they themselves, that’s literally all it takes, that’s the only thing it takes really.

[@cavemancult1999]

@@DylonCorp I think the idea of the "soft touch of a woman can stop someone being a racist" is pretty fucked up not gonna lie.

[@dylanchance5213]

The Jink clip is so great because people keep saying “idubbz content holds up without the slurs”…..but if you remove the slurs he’s mocking black culture/mannerisms? And I think that’s exactly why idubbz apology hits hard for the racists because he was in a way taking the hood off of microaggressions by going all in and saying the quiet part out loud

[@gwenopt]

Okay im not one to “accept apologies” from celebrities/influencers but this definitely allows me to have some respect idubbbz. He was willing to be interviewed by the Queen herself and open to the criticism and conversations being had!! Props to you all for your insights.

[@Xela_Redna]

This gon be interesting.

[@angelg8445]

Big ups to Olay and Ethan for putting this out!

[@cleo7066]

I hope IDubbz reads some of these comments. In the chance he does, I hope he reads this. I had a friend in my childhood name Jake. He was a hilarious kid and we had bountiful amounts of fun together. Come 6th grade was the pipeline KZbin era and he slowly morphed into someone who bought into the rhetoric being hateful and ignorant. In 8th grade in an argument, I heard the N-Word used and I haven't talked to him since. I've thought and wished the best for him no matter how much I wanted to hate. He was just an impressionable kid. My father and mother telling me to hate. My friends telling me to hate. But I couldn't. It is never easy being the bigger person, that's why so few of them we meet in our lives. I want to reach out but I fear that same space he resides in still is flourishing on the internet. IDubbz, you ruined my childhood best friend relationship. If capitalism is to continue, black people will continue to be ignored. You have an opportunity of a lifetime, don't depend on capitalist organizations to aid your goal of reconstructing your image and message. Thank you for coming and talking to a black person who is educated and informed and won't hold back. We could really use you help in this fight against racism. I'd love to see Jake again. I'd love to tell him how much I enjoyed our times together. I'm sure there are countless people in my position as well.

[@Psykochon]

Lmaoo

[@TheEnoEtile]

What leads me to believe Idubbz is sincere is he wasnt getting cancelled or anything. As best I can tell, his apology is in part a reaction to his fans annoyed he decided to grow up to begin with.

[@berickslime6718]

It was a response to his fans targeting his wife online. Whenever he would do anything online, his fans would start harrassing her.

[@TheEnoEtile]

@berickslime6718 yeah I didn't get intl details. But that's still kinda my point. His motivation seems to be less shitty and to encourage less shittiness. I don't think there's any financial benefit in it for him. Especially since he de-listed so much of his stuff.

[@moustik31]

I dont "forgive" former racist content creators but I want to learn more about, why they go down that path. So, I'm here for the case studies. Edit: representation does matter. And segregation + uncritical history classes (book banning, etc.) do perpetuate racism. Insularisation and ignorance both create racist and heinous folks.

[@ObsidianLife]

Just started watching but my instinctive answer is because its easy for them to be Pro-White Supremacy (I used that instead of "racist" because it provided less wiggle room) in our culture than not. It's like the Black Face thing...everyone who does it goes through the same arc; -Gets attention trying to be shocking -claims it was a joke, doesn't understand the history or know why you're upset -realizes they did something shitty -apologies (this last one tends to be optional) The reality is that they knew and didn't care. The most charitable interpretation of any of this is that they want attention and because it doesn't affect THEIR lives, they think its "harmless" or they just don't care about who they are hurting until the consequences are too big to ignore. I doubt some of them, like iDubbbz WERE deeply racist to begin with, hence, his disavowing what he previously did (not that it matters because its still a shitty thing to do). Our culture allows and promotes this type of thinking...

[@Moist_Slurm]

Stay mad then.

[@user-lo3er3th8g]

​@@Moist_Slurm?

[@moustik31]

@@Moist_Slurm Where did I say, I was "mad"?! 🤨

[@ButteredToits-]

@@Moist_Slurm Sounds like *you're* mad honestly. You realize somebody doesn't have to accept an apology right?

[@louisachalarca6494]

Franchesca taking time fighting strike misinformation and on strike and still took time for this. What a schedule and truly one of the best media figures we’ve been blessed with.

[@JACKELincorporated]

absolutely hilarious because she just spread misinformation by mixing up Idubbbz and Chris Ray Gun

[@detectivescrotes]

@@JACKELincorporated ...and she's a massive racist.

[@wren6311]

I remember watching the content cop videos and I remember parroting some of the racist talking points in those videos ("either its all okay or none of its okay" 🤦‍♀). And I remember going through life with black people who would be my friends at first and then slowly distance themselves cause I was fucking racist. I didn't know why it kept happening. I didn't think I was racist at the time. Its easy to think you're not racist when the rest of the dominator culture in society is as racist as you. Then a few years ago I almost lost everything due to financial issues, and I had an epiphany about class. (I've always been poor but never THAT close to being on the streets.) That epiphany made me reevaluate everything I knew. My previous thoughts on class, race, gender, etc were suddenly incompatible with the reality of the world I saw. I saw what it was like to live without a safety net and I realized that if it could happen to me it was definitely happening to other people. I started to think about who would fall through the cracks. I started to think about how the society we live in must have an underclass to function. I thought about who that underclass in America IS and what would happen to them if they didn't make it like I did. The nature of being racist while thinking you aren't is that you cannot know all the people you've hurt. It is the nature of willful blindness while thinking you have on glasses. I cannot solve racism, but the solution I've found I can do everyday as an individual is to not be a caltrop in the step of black people. Being marginalized in the USA is death by a thousand papercuts and the least I can do is not be the paper.

[@cavemancult1999]

Yeah I remember I was taking a college course at one point and I was friends with a white dude for a bit and it was relatively going alright, had similar interests n all but then he begun spouting a bunch of questionable, if not downright hateful stuff like how he was boasting about the genocide of the Native Americans as if it was a good thing or talking about slavery as if it's nothing without taking into consideration my feelings on the matter. So yeah I eventually distanced myself from him too after snapping at him one time. Maybe he'll go into a similar situation as you or maybe he'll just stay in his oblivious ignorance. You can also start by countering it if you see it, even if it's casual otherwise saying "Now I know, and knowing is half the battle" you can actually practice it and influence your own community rather than expect us to do the same work we've been doing for generations.

[@ayantuinthenow]

Ooo I am intrigued. Hadn’t even heard of this dude until his apology but I’ve been a fan of Franchesca (Chescaleigh) from jump and I gotta say, I feel her frustration on this one. But I also get that people should be allowed to grow and make amends for their wrongs. I’m very curious how that dynamic will play out here

[@demoninveins]

​@@Stamara2011Way more money to be made by continuing being a reactionary than alienating that audience

[@SourSpark.]

@Stamara2011 yea the problem here is idubbz is not taking the beneficial route, if he wanted more money. The money for grifting is all on the reactionary side. He actually lost something like 50k on his Creator Clash event.

[@VerySpecialMuffins]

​@@Stamara2011I am kind of confused about the point of taking a stance against someone when they are clearly changing their ways. Like you don't have to forgive them or like them or w/e but this is just counter productive at the very minimum.

[@elen5871]

​@@Stamara2011this is just a dumbass approach to this. first of all: you don't know this at all, lol. are you his accountant? second of all, why would that matter? is he not sufficiently sorry until he's destitute and unable to do anything useful to make amends for the massive harm he caused? third of all, the left isn't where you go to grift lmao. if dude wanted to grift he could have stayed on the right, saying slurs and taking fracking billionaire money to say climate change is fake. like I genuinely do not understand where you are coming from. you don't gotta forgive him but the approach of saying he's a "left wing millionaire grifter" is a.) patently and visibly untrue and b.) counterproductive. do we not want people to change? Christ.

[@SourSpark.]

@Stamara2011 no my point stands you're just big mad. Changing the topic doesn't mean you made a good argument. You didnt.

[@lila7663]

Great video, especially loved hearing from Francesca! I was a big fan of her back in the day and was always sad that she stopped making videos. I wasn't even aware of the intense harassment against her, that's so sad to hear. Sidenote, I'd absolutely love if you had a conversation or collab with Kat Blaque. Maybe not even about this topic, I'd just love to see you two chat together lol

[@moustik31]

Kat Blaque's reaction video to his apology was indeed one of the best. She has come so far politically and in maturity. She has always been a pleasure to watch and I hope more people check her content!!!

[@AE1P]

I'd honestly have expected to see NFKRZ here before I'd have ever expected iDubbbz 😂 Especially for this particular topic. I am fascinated to see how this conversation plays out.

[@shiffuamongus]

Why?? NFKRZ never really talks openly like idubbbz did about politics. I know he is more left leaning (he even said it). But he doesn't really engage in it and doesn't have controversy with the right-wing as idubbbz does.

[@andshescallingacab4346]

nothing more annoying to me as a russian that nfkrz is most well know ru creator for eng speakers. dude couldn’t be more beige and bland and liberal western-centric with his politics lmao hope he never appears here

[@shiffuamongus]

@@andshescallingacab4346 exacly

[@Fabsocialism]

I will say the transition from Franchesca to the iDubbz interview was jarring. We went from establishing that he did the bare minimum without addressing specific black people and mentioned a white woman. Which signals he doesn’t actually understand (yet) the impact of his work. Then we get a warm welcome and appreciation that he’d even talk to you. I think that part could have been cut out because this feels like Black people have to “kiss the ring” to be able to rightfully challenge white people for the bare minimum. I think overall this interview was great and this isn’t about you but reminds me how the “boldness” of white people when facing racism can deter how we talk to them to their face. I know you gave a disclaimer about balancing being nice but this was way to nice lol. Hopefully he sees that Franchesca said him going on Tana’s platform would be them gaining capital from his apology. Which is sick.

[@Fabsocialism]

iDubbz and anyone who has done harmful behavior should know that conversations can be productive without them comforted with hearing appreciation for the bare minimum. I am also sure many things said to him come from manners and greeting any guest on your platform. But as a fellow creator, I know things can be left out post production.

[@olurinatti]

I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy that transition or would’ve liked me to exclude some of the interview for your stated reasons, I chose to show my audience the entire conversation, including me thanking someone for agreeing to an uncomfortable interview that they didn’t have to do.

[@Fabsocialism]

@@olurinatti you do not have to apologize and maybe I missed the context as well. Was Franchesca’s interview in full? Either way I used “I” statements so I do not speak for others but I’m just saying the severity fell off during that transition and then was further exaggerated through the video for something (imo) he has to be doing given the intro you and Franchesca set up very well.

[@MarlenasFae]

He is responding so much better than I expected. You are absolutely amazing

[@RamenKitsune]

This is such a wonderful dialogue. I hope Franchesca Ramsey gets peace and that Ian stays on this path. Wonderful as always Olayemi!

[@selalewis9189]

This is a really good articulation of what restorative justice looks like, especially for those who have never heard of the concept as it relates to the carceral system. You should apologize even when the victim is not ready to forgive. There should be an open dialogue about actions toward reconciliation and restoration. Thank you for mediating this dialogue Olay, and please take care 🤗

[@PxsDD]

Couldn’t have said it better. This video really highlights your your stance as a abolitionist. People grow best when you let them speak and nudge them in the right direction. I’m here for the impact, and I hope he continues to do the work. He’s been given the room and the resources.

[@Pogs4Fathersday]

White Supremacy is a hell of a drug and idubbz is handling the withdrawals better than most.

[@AnonCitizenxx]

Lmao You think Idubbz was a White supremacist

[@averieh283]

White supremacy is the default position of a person in the western world. That’s why people rejecting it has caused a whole reactionary backlash against people who recognize that fact (“wokes”)

[@outercat]

​@@AnonCitizenxxthat's not what they were saying

[@cavemancult1999]

@@AnonCitizenxx A product of it, yeah.

[@onlyheretosin666]

​@@AnonCitizenxxYou're commenting on literally everyone's comments. Get a life and stop whining that Ian isn't like you and is ashamed of ever being like you. You're embarrassing to him.

[@tely101]

as a now 23 year old black man from the caribbean who watched and enjoyed idubbbz as a teen I am so thankful for this video!

[@Lord_Bibulous]

A lot of problems in the world would disappear if we talked to each other instead of about each other.

[@wallyscreenshots]

You suggested to Ian that he bring black platforms up, and he said that it was a good idea and that he would take your advice. I'm curious if he actually did take your advice. It's hard to see his video and the conversations he has had with you and other people as anything other than a way to heal himself, to face his demons. I don't know if that is necessarily an issue, it's certainly not my place to make that judgment.

[@louisachalarca6494]

Thank you!!! Adopted into a white family and have to deal with shit like this but it’s my family and you’ve given me so much a framework of how to stand up for myself and my real parents and family and black lives cuz of course the anti blackness is there with now white effort to do better

[@moustik31]

Sending you love and support. You deserve the best! 💜

[@cavemancult1999]

I'm glad you're staying strong, it must have been hard.

[@thefamouscommenter]

Your point about him singling out a white womaj to apologize to was so impactful. Made me realise the way Jinx and other Black creators he spoke about directly had completely disappeared from my brain.

[@kaifeldmesser1455]

Really excited to actually get to the core steps in "what happens now?" I've been a huge Francesca fan (since the Nightly Show) and although I think Ian is sincere, I've been wondering ever since his video how he can actually "undo" any of it. The scale is unfathomable and I can't think of even some easy ways to try and fix it.

[@xxpsybunnyxx]

He could donate the money he made off that drama, he could do actual work with affected communities.

[@untiedshoes90]

No matter how insurmountable, the important thing is for him to keep taking steps forward. As they say, the way to eat an elephant is through one bite at a time.

[@aleks-33]

What an incredible convo. And i love that the grievances and reservations Franchesska had were BEFORE the Idubbz interview. Hear HER first, a person affected by that era of youtube and his videos, then talk to him. I hope we can all move forward together and create a better world.

[@GhostGuardianXZ]

Can say I didn’t see this one coming. I’m interested all the same tho

[@oronbaba]

I enjoyed this a lot. Really appreciated your compassion and generosity in the conversation with iDubbz.

[@hoobajoob7341]

setting aside that he’s done this apology, it’s so weird how rambling and almost incomprehensible he becomes when he gets the direct race-relevant questions

[@berickslime6718]

I noticed that as well. Olay literally had to guide through his own thoughts. He was clearly ultra-uncomfortable and never really answered the questions, just shambling from point to point. If he has reformed and been truly instropective, he would know to articulate himself. Frankly, that would add a lot more value to this redepemption press tour if he was able to explicitly explain his thoughts. He didn't have this trouble when he was punching down and using slurs against black folks.

[@moustik31]

I noticed it too.

[@sandmans5980]

Yeah, I noticed that, too. If he's really trying to change (which I think he is but idk), then he should prioritize answering these questions head-on and as effectively as possible. I think he's still very guilt-ridden (understandably so) when it comes to the questions about race, and that guilt seems to be making him deflect and avoid the questions instead of giving clear answers, which isn't really helping. I also think that if Ian educated himself more on Systemic Racism and had more of a Systemic Analysis, he would be able to answer these questions and give more insight on what he could personally do to fight against these systems and make it up to the many Black people he hurt.

[@forest_green]

What you said about him apologizing to Black people in that video - I had no idea he'd attacked Black individual creators. I avoided the dude's channel because i knew he was a racist at the time, and i avoided his apology because i don't accept words at this point. He and all the people who think he did a nice apology need to accept that he's still a racist until he actually WORKS to make amends.

[@paulcoughlan9139]

He was never racist

[@joanthebigboat]

I used to watch idubbz when he was ultra libertarian nword slinging and bought into the ideas like "its all ok or none is" as a result of my sheltered shitty upbringing and it feels like he is changing for the better since meeting his wife and as I've grown as a person and changing for the better but I'm also in the same position as the bluesky slur usernames ordeal that its not for me to accept it. I will set myself aside and listen to the perspective of those genuinely hurt. Ive come out as trans and self hate was definitely part of how I got bought in, and my perceived mirrored growth leaves me very biased.

[@joanthebigboat]

@aaronbuss8361 yea, I'm definitely not of that mindset anymore, and even when I was I still wasn't a slur user but just bought into the ideas about them "just being words" and upset/triggered = owned style content when I was like 16, it's not like saying the nword was ever okay but more that you can't grasp its power and hate it invokes when you are from an all white circle. American education is so cooked that lots of people in racist little backwater villages like mine leave school thinking that racism is over he had a dream Civil rights act happened blah blah hand waiving and now they're still crying about racism not knowing or ever being shown the systemic levels and avenues that racism is still used to keep a stranglehold on the black communities in this country and even globally with insane resource extraction and exploitation both here in the Imperial core and abroad. Like not having any black friends or first hand experience seeing and knowing black people leads to just believing the crazy stereotypes from media 🥴

[@ocean34560]

As a white guy i used to watch idubz in highschool and thought he was funny but i was also raised as an antisemitic flat earther which i didnt break out of till after highschool lol

[@MrisaVigil]

Christ! Congratulations, dude you escaped a black hole tbh

[@lexismore]

Olay here is giving a master class in how to meet someone where they are at without holding back on who you are and what you're about when it comes to addressing harm. The message I'm left with is that this guy built a platform off of hate. And no matter where he goes with that now, he still has that clout and the ability to open doors that come with it. And a lot of the specific people he punched down on are not doing so hot today. I hope we can keep this reality at the center of conversations like this moving forward. And let #reparations continue to be a part of that conversation. I'm a long time fan of Franchesca. New to breadtube and new to this channel. Never heard of that white guy before. Obviously Olayemi has a new subscriber now. ✅

[@4pfcarti792]

nooo this man ruined my highschool life😭 he’s everywhere again I can’t get awayyyy😂😂😂

[@rajasmasala]

He's grown out of his errooneous ways, supposedly. The reason iDubbz was used as a pretext is because he was the one assholes could latch on to as having credibility.

[@4pfcarti792]

@@rajasmasala I heard he’s changed but at the end of the day all I remember is ppl calling me the n word and using him as justification that’s all I’m saying😂 some people might be older so they weren’t in school during that time but here in Canada it was bad😭

[@rajasmasala]

@@4pfcarti792 Yeah I know, it sucks. He really contributed in a toxic way, and he would probably still be toxic despite the impact from meeting trans fans if his porn star gf hadn't been harrassd very badly by his community.

[@4pfcarti792]

@@rajasmasala yea I hate that these people have to have a wake up moment to be normal decent human beings and then we have to praise them for that because most people don’t have that wake up moment😂 it’s crazy to me tbh

[@rajasmasala]

@@4pfcarti792 I don't think we have to forgive him at all, but it is a welcome development nonetheless.

[@sigilsmistakes5000]

yeah i'm with Franchesca on this one. KZbin gives yt people so much power and when they abuse it the domino effect of bigotry it creates is too much for any individual to ever truly atone for.

[@mv9653]

@@loadishstonein order for restorative justice to work, the victim has to set the terms. That is literally how accountability processes work in the real world.

[@RBoyer2004]

Appreciate this video. There are allot of us mid-late 30's white men who grew up with a juvenile understanding of racism. It wasnt just that we didnt understand the damage it was doing, we never even stopped to check in with the people we were hurting. I am thankful everyday for content creators like yourself here to help give us perspective, and make this world feel a little safer for everyone.

[@AnonCitizenxx]

The absolute state of White men

[@cavemancult1999]

Counter it if you see it rather than doing a G.I.JOE "now we know, and knowing is half the battle"

[@justlikeheavenx]

very much so looking forward to this one

[@allysonbeaulieu7351]

Olay, you constantly bring up things i never would’ve thought of and/or put into words why something feels wrong in a way that makes me a permanent subscriber. It keeps my brain working and i love it!!

[@APimpNamedNastyNesto]

This was such a positive conversation about recognition, empathy, accountability, acknowledgement, and starting to do the work. It really helps to make people well informed individuals to talk to people of different ages, genders, classes, lifestyle, hobbies, and cultures to open your mind on how to navigate life comes in various ways. This was fascinating from a KZbin perspective. This is the Cornbread part of the community that is constantly doing consistent thought provoking work. It’s okay to get your world views challenged every now and then it only confirms the universal humanity that connects us all anyway we all choose to go about it differently in our own communities.

[@125loopy]

Ll

[@sucubai]

I haven't seen any of your content before but I really appreciate your willingness to use your voice in a way which creates greater understanding for all parties involved rather than taking part in drama, name-calling, and finger-pointing. I'm queer and autistic and find it difficult to express my grievances with unfair treatment of marginalized people online and in real life. Many of the people harassing our communities grew up with Idubbz, Filthy Frank, and Max Mofo (among others) and have been justifying their harassment by saying "its just a joke" or "chill out its just words" for over a decade and I'm sick of it.

[@cavemancult1999]

Right? Normalising bigoted/hateful attitude is still bigotry, it doesn't matter if you use a cop out like "guythz it was just a joke 🤓"

[@joshuabushman7]

I think Ethan Klein is the perfect example of a leftist rebrand. It’s honestly baffling that leftist commentators even gave him the time of day

[@DeaDiabola]

I don't think Ethan is being phony at all. I did, for a moment, wonder if he was being performative, but I soon realized he just had a long road ahead of improving his behavior that for so, SO long, was celebrated as both normal and good. While it takes him a while, he eventually comes around. He can be very reactive in the moment, I relate to that. But I do think his heart is definitely in the right place these days. That is why people give him the time of day now.

[@tylerhackner9731]

The crossover I never knew I needed

[@trey_nation]

This was such a great conversation. I must admit, I initially dismissed idubbz as someone promoting racist content. However, after watching his apology video and then this, it's evident that he's engaged in a genuine conversation about personal growth and positive change. It's refreshing to see individuals take responsibility for their past actions and actively strive to become better versions of themselves. Let's encourage and support this kind of growth.

[@RblastonYT]

Olayemi, this video is something I never felt like hope for actual atonement for people. I needed this in a way that wasn’t sugarcoating it but as prescribing actual action. You’re an amazing interviewer.

[@iwillchopyoudown3100]

As a former idubbz fan, you crushed this interview and I hope he takes your advice on reparation and elevating black content creators who have been ignored, attacked and shut out by KZbin and his community

[@realrecognizereal2833]

Can an argument be made that some of them are actually really bigots, and only pivot because their platforms grow large enough that their bigotry has a negative impact on their growth so they look to appeal to a larger audience by backpedaling their previously made comments, or positions?

[@breauseph]

I was really waiting for him to say "you're right, I didn't think of it that way" - glad he got at least partway there by the end.

[@jamiew9289]

Idubbz ? Haven't heard that name in a long time and I certainly didn't expect him to be involved in this kind of content

[@phabothadon7855]

Olay is so pretty OMG 😮‍💨 also was NOT expecting this Collab lmao

[@olurinatti]

Awww shucks!

[@penabler]

Nobody is entitled to forgiveness but this conversation and the reaction to it shows there is a path forward.

[@UGLYSQUID]

You should get Ethan Klein on next

[@rabger7966]

I’m like a minute in and I can already tell this is going to be goated video.

[@tonyagibbs1963]

Important and necessary work. Thank you, Olay! 😍

[@hrwise89]

I think I got recommended this after eatching a few leftist mafia clips, having heard about it through Majority Report. Just wanted to say I loved this conversation over all, but one thing I really appreciate how at several times the discussion led to places where there aren't quick or definitive answers or resolutions, and that this is viewed as okay and allowed. Like, what can idubbz do to make things up to and aplogize to the people he hurt? Well here's some ideas, but at the same time, those ideas agent for everyone, and many people may never forgive him. But that's okay. And it's important for people to realize that and get that message. Sometimes all you can do is do your best and be the best you can, and then live with the pain or uncertainty or regret that remains. And other examples too. But basically yeah, conversations don't always end in a beautoful resolution wrapped in a bow where everyone is happy. They are often ongoing and sometimes eternal. And it's great for me at least to see that message here is all. I'm excited to explore more of your content going forward.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

I wonder if vaush will ever have to rebrand to reckon with his mistreatment of small black creators, use of slurs and ableism, sexual harassment etc.. Poppy, prof flowers, soulbunni, jesse gender etc... have all been attacked by his community for a long time.

[@user-lo3er3th8g]

Vaush should rebrand as a dead corpse after he off fs himself

[@ZaNeCuDdEr]

i doubt that..he is already in the "left"...his only option if he chooses to is going to reactionary shit

[@FrogHarlot4708]

I wanted to leave a comment to boost this in the algoirthm. You did an impressive job bringing in a lot of poignant critique and making sure to hold Ian to who his purported desire to be held accountable. That takes emotional and intellectual labor. It's cool to see black creators standin up and maybe white creators like Ian won't just be able to do the usual cycle of "be somber and apologize" and then move on like nothing happened.

[@hahaishereman]

Kat Blaque is one of my all time favorite KZbinrs and I am SO HAPPY that he watched her response because it was so good.

[@kelseysoloway5468]

Another amazing and insightful video. Idubbz being willing to be held accountable and to listen was actually refreshing to see, even if he was a bit nervous. I can kind of see why he only addressed Tana because it was in person harassment but I do hope he tried to make amends with Jinx and Franchesca Ramsey if that is what they desire.

[@PxsDD]

I really do hope you have him on in future segments to share his perspective on how that side of the internet functions and what made him think it was okay to behave that way throughout his career. The more he deconstructs that narrative publicly, owns up to his past behavior and allows himself to be vulnerable, the better. He’s got a chance to take away the smoke and mirrors of that kind of content and show what lies beneath. That type of restorative work is so valuable because it has the power to reach the people who are how he used to be and course-correct for them before they can do harm like that.

[@strika52]

I really want your channel to grow. You are one of the best on KZbin.

[@lc360]

This is such a specific type of conversation that I wish we could have more of online.

[@IanJAGreen]

I love this. Olayemi is the got damn best.

[@Gammadaa4]

Its best to encourage genuine growth like he is displaying

[@cavemancult1999]

I love the part when you said "black people are expected to always be the empathetic, forgiving and understanding ones" it is a great skill to have but that just goes to show that it gives people, especially white people the idea that they can do or say a bunch of stuff and expect us to be fine with them at the end of it without actually making changes within their own community. I like to call this the "CIA MLK Effect" because whilst they were rooting for his downfall they now promote his day on social media as if they are innocent. Also I like it how edgy used to mean like someone who tries too hard, like you would call someone in some sorta alternative subculture "edgy" but now it has been reduced to a quirky way of being a racist or some other type of bigot.

[@beck2494]

I really really appreacite the space for conversation you've created with this video. I've been a fan of Franchesca's for many years and even though I've struggle to fight that "strong black woman/person" notion even in my own life, it's still so sobering to see someone like Franchesca talk so openly about how this type of racialized harassment has hurt her and affected her. I think we really try to focus on immiediately taking actionable changes and sometimes we forget to take a moment and hold space for how much we've been hurt. I know this wasn't the main takeaway of the video, but it was something I really loved seeing, as it was ignored or glossed over in other conversations on this topic.

[@twonb1tc4]

banger. the comeback from bigotry tour has commenced for the eggshell community

[@LunarParks]

Society

[@5atoru]

It's crazy how the algorithm never recommended your channel. I think you do important work. Thank you.

[@ThemedNumber02]

I hate that I’m seeing this video so late!! The youtube algorithm is so trash sometimes 😭😭 this video is gold.

[@scoobertmcruppert2915]

Great exploration…hope he keeps pushing

[@saranghae1saranghae]

While we shouldn't even be in this position (if the world was perfect), mad props to iDubbz for even putting himself out there. Most people wouldn't even bother. Also, Olay, you're a freaking amazing interviewer as usual. This was wonderful. This is such an unexpected meeting of creators.

[@Twoaas]

This is so refreshing to see. As a black person who grew up skating (still to this day) I have SO many white friends who used to, and in some ways still do subscribe to a more “edgy” approach to humor - and hearing you say you went to a boarding school where you were the only black person related to me so much, because I feel like when you’ve been in those situations, it’s a BIT easier to come from a place of empathy in these conversations. While at the same time being educational and framing things in a way that makes it “palatable” to a person who is or has been groomed into a white supremacist mindset. Unfortunate that that’s what it takes to make folks understand, but it’s so important to have these conversations. So props to both you and Idubbz for being civil, normal fucking people and talking things out in a mature understanding way. I say all that to say, I never knew anything about idubbz until the apology video, and I never knew anything about this channel until this video, so you earned a sub. Shout out to the algorithm, been watching too many FD videos I guess 😂

[@hvmi]

Damn. As one of the people who low-key resents this man; it's been such a trip watching him over the past couple of months. My jaw dropped when I saw this video pop up. So so soooo glad he chose to have this convo with y'all. Like....wow. Anyways, I look forward to the man he aspires to be.

[@Corarii]

this is an insane crossover

[@grandpafalkenrath2988]

Olayami, I understand your reasoning for taking a break from LM, I know you need time to recharge and keep your mental healthy. That being said, I miss you so very much, and I look for any opportunity to find your presence. I Love You Forever, My Queen

[@olurinatti]

🥹💚💜

[@charlottesghost2845]

WOW - if you ever get tired of KZbin you can def be a PR advisor. This was a terrific vid.

[@saflool]

The apology was the only vid i saw of him, it's great to get you guys' perspective on this ❤ btw Franchesca said "not to give him cookies" enough times that now i want a snack 🐷🍪

[@Social_Pugatory]

Make mine chips ahoy chewy please 😂

[@Andor.]

it's nice to have content like this to contrast with the countless of old idubbbz content defenders that really occupy a large space of the conversation and not to give idubbbz “too many cookies” i'm happy that he put himself out on a (cornbread tube) platform like this because i probably wouldn't have been recommended this video by the algorithm if it wasn't for it.

[@lloydthurstondinwiddieakag297]

I must be really out of touch I dont know any of these people. Might be better for me to stay out this particular rabbit hole. It’s sound like there’s nothing new under the sun..

[@ztalk7828]

Awesome vid really appreciate the way you break these situations down and express some of the genuine pain that comes form being a group without a voice having the small voice they can have stripped away, while also allowing an avenue for someone to try to make penance by filling the world with good and doing the opposite of the actions done to damage the world in the past I think Ethan does genuinely have remorse and a better perspective but there will always be a small animosity with how as someone white in the space it is alot easier to become established do dirty and switch up without much recompense and then praise them for making it to the other side. Thanks for your content and giving a resource that looks like me to aspire toward

[@iimezimouseii3024]

Thanks for conducting these interviews Olay, we really needed to hear these perspectives! Truthfully, I think the best thing he can do is to start cutting checks for the creators he directly impacted, especially those he ran off the platform. I don’t care for the niceties and I hate when yt ppl pity themselves. Good on him for taking accountability but that’s the bare minimum. Open ur purse😭

[@l.p.5703]

Yes! I never trust anyone who immediately responds defensively, “I’m not racist.” There is always room to grow and as humans we all make assumptions. Take the criticism, grow and move on.

[@autumnonawhim]

I just clicked on his channel, and at least on mobile, the first video on the fourth playlist on his home page is a video mocking jinx for not doing a boxing match with him where he uses the n-word in the description. I hope after this conversation that he _does_ go back through his old vieos to remove or at least contextualize them with his current perspective. It's just kind of shocking that he still prominently displays videos with slurs on his channel after his apology and this conversation.

[@twistysunshine]

This was a surprisingly calm video. I was expecting like. A very tense vibe, bc i know Olayemi is not gonna let it sit without addressing it, but Ian didnt get nearly as defensive as i was expecting. Overall love this convo

[@Jaaskle]

a bit of the disconnect here revolving ian only directly apologizing to tana- his apology is more about being an overall mean-spirited content, and not necessarily solely about his n word usage. for better or worse, he seems to be focusing on the fact that his content cop on her brought a confrontation into the real world. ruminating on the consequences of that event over the years was probably his "come to jesus" moment

[@solarmoth4628]

I probably will never like idubbz because he enabled an entire generation of white boys who felt like saying the nword was just funny. I’m glad he’s grown up and his apologies were definitely one of the better ones on youtube like you said, he did fail to directly apologize to his black victims.

[@mrspreminger]

Wow, you did such an amazing job with this! Found you through Jarvis and I’m so glad I did because you’re brilliant!

[@dr.cornwater2886]

First off, I am definitely one of the people that Ian's platform brought here lmao. I'm so glad he was able to sit down with someone like yourself to talk about the actual impact of his actions on black people. You bringing up Jinx and talking to Francesca put into perspective some of the real issues with his previous content to me. He really did destroy a black man's career and direct a hate mob for no good reason at a black woman. Like that's pretty unforgivable. I was a big fan of idubbz back in the day and was a fuckin asshole who used slurs for "edgy comedy." It stems from a lack of love. There's a shame associated with loving people as a cis man in a toxicly masculine culture and it seemed like Ian wised up to change. As someone who had to walk a similar path to Ian's, I'm glad he really seems to listen and learn like we all should. Thanks for having Ian on and having a frank convo about this. You gained a sub out of me happily ❤

[@GayyTea]

As someone who was a regular viewer of iDubbbz back in those edgiest (racist) of days for his content, and has had my own journey into compassion, empathy, and learning, and over the past few years has become a staunch leftist, anti-racist, and viewer of The Leftist Mafia, The Humanist Report, The Majority Report, Olurinatti, etc. - this was so fascinating to see pop up in my subscriptions and is an incredible conversation with so much that I can use to try to make up for the hate that I also put into the world back in those days. Thank you, Olay ❤

[@h3podcastlore]

Great conversation! I'm someone who grew up watching iDubbbz' old content, I rewatched a lot of his old content recently for a video I made about this whole situation and I was also thinking "justice for Jinx!" What Jinx was doing back then is extremely common nowadays on KZbin and Twitch, but I remember back in those days he was treated like the main villain of KZbin. iDubbbz wasn't the first person to make a video about Jinx, there were a lot of other commentary KZbinrs at the time + Jacksfilms talking negatively about his content, and the controversy between Jinx and Jacksfilms is what I believe influenced that first Content Cop. Both videos were made in the same week.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Love the both of y’all! (Olay and idubbz). I’m glad he changed as a person for the better instead of continuing down the path his fans wanted.

[@braydon4627]

You made some really interesting points this was a great video and I’m glad it got directly to idubbz so maybe there can be some more material action. Anyways just really good