How to use ABS Slurry Glue for 3D Printing Bed Adhesion

[@rockymntsax]

Ok.... I realize this an old video, but... I'm going to address some of the misinformation in this video. Do you research and you will see. 1. Acetone isn't toxic, actually it's considered food safe, and organic. Yes it is an organic solvent, and safe for human consumption in small amounts. Much more than you will "ingest" out breath than when you are dealing with it. That being said, so is ethenol, but I don't advise huffing fumes for too long cause it will, and I repeat, will mess you up. But toxic by definition, no! 2. As for dealing with the abs plastic, it's not necessary to chop it up. Yes if you do it will dissolve faster, but you can simply add it to acetone put the lid on, and it's ready to go the next day. If you plan properly you don't have to do anything with the ABS. I have stuck entire failed prints into a jar of ABS slurry, added a little more acetone, and put the cap on it. Less than a few hours later it's all mush. I typically use any of my abs waste, like support material, failed prints, rafts that get cut off. Most of that is thin enough to not worry about dealing with chopping it up cutting it up, whatever. Straight into my slurry mix and let it dissolve. 3. As for getting a smooth print on the bottom, in my opinion, the slurry you're using is way too thick. Mine typically is thin enough to put on with a chip brush/paintbrush. It will self level before drying. As a matter of fact a lot of times I have to put it on a preheated build plate at about 20 to 25 degrees c to get it to dry remotely quickly. That provides a smooth enough surface for 99.9% of my prints. 4. A little bit of information here not necessarily misinformation from you, but just affirming that yes you can use ABS slurry for pla, and other low temp products. Only caveat to this is getting it off of your print. I have found if you put it on thicker, (i.e. multiple layers since mine is so thin.) It peels off easier, as it does not adhere incredibly well to pla, and TPU, which is what I typically use it with. But it adheres well enough to hold it to the plate. Okay, for what you got right, yes it is very messy I'll give you that make sure to wear clothes that you don't want to use for anything else. And it is extremely stinky as much as it is not toxic it smells horrible.

[@VisionMiner]

Extremely detailed contribution! Thank you for all the pointers :)

[@Thejigholeman]

i keep mine in a paint can with a brush (kept in the can), and just paint it on the buildplate with the brush. keep the slurry relatively thin (you can always add more coats later), paint it on evenly, and make sure to clean it off the buildplate with acetone when you are done printing. if you don't, it will just keep building up layer by layer, until it is too thick to print on.

[@cpzmelbs]

As you mentioned, What are some other uses for it?

[@hogstoothairsoft1967]

sooo, this is a nice commercial... is it labeled as one?!?

[@VisionMiner]

It's a how-to with a better solution at the end :)

[@flyjim99]

This looked more like a how not to use abs as a bed adhesion coat. It looked intentional.

[@VisionMiner]

I think it was just lack of experience, too -- we should have made it thinner. However, there are better options, unless you're only printing ABS. Even then, it ruined that glass plate permanently, we couldn't even get it off with acetone or heat, very strange!

[@haka8702]

@@VisionMiner The incompetence involved here is beyond believable margins.

[@jaredbostrom6781]

I print ABS. ABS slurry gives me 100% success in bed adhesion and no warping. Ill take the clean up as a trade off. I dont waste new filament making it. I use poor designed versions of prints to make slurry limiting my waste. I save my clean up ABS scraps to make more slurry. This video is just sad. Vilifying ABS slurry but then saying you use it. Making it look all tough, gross, and toxic. Our own bodies produce acetone, it is listed as GRAS, and is a mild irritant at best. If it evaporates then use a lid. Dude looked at it like it was “icky.” Bunch of grown ups acting like struggling children to try and sell a product.

[@VisionMiner]

Acetone, a mild irritant? Have you ever had that stuff close to your face? Regardless, if you're only printing ABS, it's a great solution for very little cost. Thinning it out more would have been much easier, too, but frankly, we don't use it, because it's on the bottom of the totem pole for adhesion solutions, and tends to be impossible to get off glass after awhile, often ruining buildplates. There are better options available, but it's all about what works -- and if it's working for you, that's great! Note: it was quite nasty, and we should have thinned it more :D

[@nefariouspreludev2.046]

Exactly what I was thinking. Especially virgin number 1 on the left. Virgin #2 just looks pissed that he’s wasted his time with such an obvious try hard video. Abs juice will always be the best option if you want a quality print in abs.

[@reevesjustin]

@@nefariouspreludev2.046 There's no need for that. If you have to resort to name calling, you've lost your argument.

[@FlavoredCrayon]

You guys have a lot of experience and I believe you when you say you don't prefer it. You probably have solid reasons and other solutions but I dont understand the ABS hate (Not specifically you just in general I see it a lot). The "disadvantage" of it being hard to remove is kinda an advantage for an adhesive. If you cant get it off the build plate then it's doing its job. ABS is one of the worst for off gassing and bad byproducts no doubt. Because I started with abs I immediately built a vented enclosure. So even though I print evil ABS i have less microplastics and fumes in my system with than someone who only prints PLA and PETG with PTFE lined hot ends in their spare bedroom. All 3dp plastics have some level of risk and by saying to stick with the safer ones and dont worry about it vs dealing with the problem is more dangerous in my opinion. It warps, it smells, and it is "old" and not a modern filiment, but there are reasons it's so widely used across the planet. My favorite being the ability to plastic weld mods to the dozens of abs objects I deal with in everyday life. Safe printing everyone.

[@VisionMiner]

Right -- it truly is a good material, with disadvantages. ASA seems to be an overall better route! And the slurry hate isn't really hate, if you're just printing ABS -- for an all-around adhesive, there's better things. But for effectiveness one some materials, it's a 10/10!

[@TheOneLifeRider]

you made it look like it's the only option, but there is also ABS juice. Barely a wipe onto the build plate and no residue

[@jpl3k]

These guys have one agenda, and only one; sell their expensive product. They posted this video here to lure people who are trying to learn how to make and apply ABS slurry and intentionally make a mess doing so, going on and on how you'll never have a clean bed again (untrue). Look at their faces, their over-reactions and their mannerisms, they might as well have hired actors to play their parts. I'm guessing their egos are too big to pass an opportunity to get behind a camera.

[@LawnMo]

@@jpl3k 7:10 is priceless: "I know we're supposed to be unbiased, but this.. is... *I make this stuff here all the time and use it for different things but don't use it...* " :')

[@lennyciaccio2991]

How do I get the free sample

[@xlyoneon5768]

have you ever tried to clean de plate with more acetone?? duhhh

[@VisionMiner]

Yeah, and at a certain point it literally never came off the glass.... was actually pretty confusing, we're surprised!

[@RODEO-sn6du]

hi. can I get a sample

[@jeremiahclausing6391]

Is the sample not free anymore? I just checked the site and it says $5.

[@VisionMiner]

Yeah, it was free in January, and we got so many requests we have to charge now :) it's a large sample, so it goes a long way :)

[@fernandonavarro5816]

You don't use abs slurry for bed adhesion you use ABS juice. ABS slurry is used to fill in gaps or even use it as a glue to it here two different ABS parts together or even fix layer separation. Now it just looks like y'all don't even know what the hell you're doing terrible tactic to advertise a product that you're trying to sell.

[@VisionMiner]

Frankly we just don't print ABS too often -- we specialize in higher-end stronger filaments, and while ABS is still an awesome material, we got into this stuff becuase it simply didn't work for functional prototypes for metal parts... so yes, you're right, and we should probably make a new video. However, I think you'd probably love our product, since it works incredible well with almost everything, including ABS :)

[@LawnMo]

@@VisionMiner "we specialize in higher-end stronger filaments" care to mention which ? That video is FUD and a bad attempt at selling "yet another useless product", let alone, I don't think people printing anything related to the industry and "high end" materials would need a youtube tutorial to find a biased review and clowns misusing terms to grab as much gullible potential customers as they can. When's the last time you printed in PEKK or PEEK fam ? Or did you mean "I don't use ABS, I used ABSX, it's different cuz carbon fibers lol" ? You might want to look for a youtube tutorial on building a brand, keywords : "long term, honest, trust, customer relationship management".

[@deanm8517]

Looks like Josh Hawley has a moonlighting job.

[@ianchan2624]

I try tmrwh thx

[@gabe_fm]

Way to make simple things look difficult. Oh, wait you are trying to sell a product.

[@ele4853]

Terrible marketing strategy! LOL Yea, still using ABS slurry, way better than ANY adhesive.

[@VisionMiner]

For ABS -- and a few other materials. Once you work into the engineering materials, it doesn't work at all :) As we say, though, if it's working perfect, don't stop! :)

[@BossAuto_]

Slurry or your adhesive for abs? I have a long print and don’t want to waste time.

[@VisionMiner]

Adhesive -- cleaner and easier to use and more reliable than ABS Slurry

[@nefariouspreludev2.046]

Bought the nano polymer and it doesn’t work any better than a glue stick and interestingly enough it smells just like the old glue tubes with the sponge on the end. Probably rebranded haha.

[@jpl3k]

Notice they haven't replied to your comment (posted 1 month ago), yet they're commenting on other posts from only 6 days ago. You think they care if their product worked for you? They are snake oil salesmen, nothing more, nothing less.

[@VisionMiner]

As a matter of fact, we get extremely busy -- we get a lot of comments, and on nights like tonight, I do my best to go through the glut of them (on 150+ videos).... emails are a much faster way to get a response, and for the record, we've put our heart and soul into this product over the last 3 years -- it works far better than glue stick, although maybe not for PLA (heck, PLA will stick to glass). We also specialize in the high-temp materials like PEEK and ULTEM, and if you've ever tried glue stick on those, you'll find it's majorly sub-par. Snake oil? Not a bit. Did we manage to create something awesome for PEEK that worked on nearly everything else? Absolutely, yes. To top it off -- you can actually get a mirror finish with Nano if you want, and that's something gluestick has a hard time with. It's not rebranded, we literally (Rob, mostly) spent almost a year testing and failing and testing and succeeding to get the formula we call our own -- we've gone through 4 different bottles types to improve shipping and application, and continually improve the packaging and experience ourselves. We are, in fact, real people, and do our best to bring what works in our shop, where we print for companies like Lockheed Martin, on a daily basis --- to you, the community of 3D Printing. Your accusation is false, have a great day!

[@VisionMiner]

What material are you printing? And did you send an email? So -- let's define "any better" --- are you using for ABS, or another material? How many size parts have you tried? Are you still using brims? (you won't need any brims with this stuff, so long as your bed temp is around 90-100c). If haven't already, please send an email or call in, we're here every day of the week to help. And we're not a giant corporation, either, thus here I am responding to as many comments as I can late at night :) This is Rob, by the way. Furthermore, we literally hired an adhesive scientist, and spent almost a year developing the formula -- for PEEK, ULTEM, and PPSU, not PLA. It was a fluke that it worked for almost every other material -- I was very surprised when I tried it out on the Ultimaker. No re-branding here, we literally had to make something to get our prints in high-temp to stick. It's based in isopropyl alcohol, which smells like a lot of things. 100% made in USA, bottled, packed, and shipped from our facilities here in the USA. For basic materials like PLA/PETG, a single coating has gotten me 50+ prints, with no re-application -- that's quite a bit better than gluestick, especially with a mirror-finish bottom layer.

[@VisionMiner]

By the way, take a look at our reviews on Google and Facebook... that alone should prove that this stuff works incredibly well.

[@cryingeva]

It was very worse idea to print Abs

[@VisionMiner]

Hahahaha this day and age, agreed! ASA, PCASA, etc are much better options...

[@KikoCCID]

You guys don't actually have to fake a topic to advertise your product. To me, it ends up making it look quite pitiful. Not sure how's it working for you, but I'm sorry for all the time wasted by all people who clicked this looking for legit abs slurry adhesion discussion.

[@comawhite5913]

Gee, I came looking for useful info.........and got a standard infomercial, complete with two "play inept for the sales" individuals. Thanks for convincing me NOT to buy your products.

[@Sinder_Primagen]

Coom

[@ginko9690]

these guys are so f funny XD =))

[@Th3mast3r69]

you guys dont really understand what abs slurry is for. Its for gluing abs parts together or to use as filler not for spreading on a build plate. abs juice which is way thinner that is what is used for bed adhesion. I will buy your product and put it to the test though and report back here

[@GCast-iv1pd]

This video is just sad... Didn't know people would go that low just to market their product. This is worst than most political ads IMO.

[@VisionMiner]

We've never been fans of ABS slurry, what can we say? And the political comparison.... cmonnnnn. In previous comments though, we realize we probably could have watered it down more with acetone for a smoother finish. However, in our experience, you can literally ruin the borosilicate glass, and it will always be an ABS slurry plate from that point on........ not ideal, in our opinion!

[@haka8702]

Why do you make a video on stuff you have no clue about ? "you can not use the plate again" wtf ? you can just wash it off with acetone in a minute and it's better than new. When you smear a 10 times too thick "glue" on your plate, completely ruining the first layer height. you also used 50-100 times more ABS than required on the plate. Then you recommend to "sand" the glass plate. WTF ? NEVER EVER SAND your glass plate. That's 80$ trash. Close your channel please. Of course my first sentence was ironic, these guys are pure selloffs. They are sent products to advertise for money, that's why they make videos in the first place. That's why they made this joke here.