How To Wax A Bicycle Chain | Maintenance Monday

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@gcn
@gcn 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like we are going to have to send Jon back in with some paraffin oil to see if that silences the chains. Or maybe Jon and Si have just got impressive hearing?!
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
Global Cycling Network I'll put my apron back on...
@JS-tb9hu
@JS-tb9hu 7 жыл бұрын
Silence can mean friction ;)
@wilianamaral
@wilianamaral 7 жыл бұрын
by adding a little bit of liquid paraffin to the mix the noise goes away. You're looking for a hard butter consistence. The drivetrain will keep spotless. Don't know about any watt losses.
@andystone5487
@andystone5487 7 жыл бұрын
Don't bother Jones, it's a waste of time ⌚??? 😲
@dsmithvideo
@dsmithvideo 7 жыл бұрын
Definitely add in paraffin oil it makes it huge difference. Also wipe off the excess before the chain dries.
@Philobiblion
@Philobiblion 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 72 and ride my bike every day. Back when I raced in the 70s I did exactly as prescribed and the chain was beautiful. I gave it up because I was too lazy to carry out the drill. But--- compared to today's wet lube when wet, and dry lube when dry, this may have been the best all-around lube. And, for just riding to work and around town, I think it was far and away the best solution, requiring the least amount of work for the benefit. But, this was back when I was capable of rebuilding a wheel from scratch in an evening. Getting old is not all it has been cut out to be. PJT
@edgarcastillo7005
@edgarcastillo7005 3 жыл бұрын
Can i just use paraffin wax? Cause others add in ptfe and i cant seem to find one
@vegancorrxyz
@vegancorrxyz 2 жыл бұрын
@@edgarcastillo7005 PTFE adds just a marginal benefit. I use food grade paraffin (3€/kg), no paraffin oil added. Opinions are split on the oil. But it is very very important to cool the chain fast in water so the paraffin hardens inside the rollers. Then you clean the excess, the rest would fall off on the street. I am puzzled, however, about a new chain on my hometrainer.. all the excess would be in the living room :))
@DeusAequus
@DeusAequus Жыл бұрын
Also the benefit of PTFE is not so much for lubrication. PTFE is Teflon powder and it’s biggest benefit is protection. PTFE will help keep it from gunking up and will extend the life of the chain.
@unknownknown8555
@unknownknown8555 Жыл бұрын
Jeez this was depressing 😂
@rayk6251
@rayk6251 6 жыл бұрын
Guys, Great video. I’ve been waxing my chains for almost 2 years now, and I concur that it does a better job of lubing the chain, and staying clean longer. A couple of notes: 1. I use a mix of parafin candles and parafin oil, blended until the wax is a slight creamy consistancy. I think this will solve your noise problem, as my drive train is really quiet with this approach. 2. When I take the hot chain out of the cooker, I plunge it into cool water vs hanging it up hot. This causes the wax to harden immediately, trapping it in and around the rollers instead of dripping out. 3. This goes without saying, that the entire drive train (cassette and chaing rings) should also be cleaned prior to installing your newly waxed chain. Cheers! RayK
@byaheniVan
@byaheniVan 2 жыл бұрын
Can I also use shimano mineral oil as a substitute for the paraffin oil? Paraffin oil is also known as mineral oil
@vihuelamig
@vihuelamig 2 жыл бұрын
Just tried it using a mix of paraffin and beeswax (80% paraffin). It's as quiet as an oiled chain on my cheap hybrid bike.
@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling
@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling 7 жыл бұрын
i got myself a couple of those scented candles at discount. Now I have the gentle whiff of gingerbread and raspberry icecream permeating the air as my bike chain whizzes around. :D
@phillpauley6672
@phillpauley6672 5 жыл бұрын
Wait, you mean everyone behind you gets that scent. You’re like a unicorn spreading joy everywhere you ride. 😜
@ReaganPatriot
@ReaganPatriot 4 жыл бұрын
just wait to the bees smell that! 🐝
@uvwuvw-ol3fg
@uvwuvw-ol3fg 4 жыл бұрын
@@phillpauley6672 Those who suffer from hyperosmia and asthma might not like it.
@woofbark4475
@woofbark4475 3 жыл бұрын
Maxwell Smart: "So 99 he's trying to use aromatherapy to make the rest of the peloton relax and slow down. The old scented bike aromatherapy chain technique! We're onto him now 99!
@Clorophylle
@Clorophylle 3 жыл бұрын
Ahahahaha, this made me laugh :DD
@jffydavy5509
@jffydavy5509 5 жыл бұрын
Waxing chains has been around and was a mystical magic chain treatment back in the 70's. One man I rode with did his waxing in an old metal coffee can, he didn't want to mess up a cooking pot. He heated the can on a gas stove and dipped his chain in the can. He used that can more than once and one time the flame melted the bottom of the can. The magic wax pored onto and extinguished all the flames. The wax plugged all the gas vent holes in the burner. His wife took one look at the situation and said, "You're cleaning all that out!" When we talked about how often he waxed his chains we all said, "one time too many!"
@yyunko7764
@yyunko7764 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this story! got a solid laugh out of me, cheers!
@davidniven6665
@davidniven6665 8 ай бұрын
That’s a great story 😂thank you for sharing.. it’s something that most of us would do cheers
@sd5458
@sd5458 7 ай бұрын
That is hysterical. Here's to wives and wax my dude
@Progan666
@Progan666 3 ай бұрын
I might buy a cheap pot and use it on an electric burner.
@GenePavlovsky
@GenePavlovsky 2 ай бұрын
@@Progan666 The safe option is to use a double boiler (water bath). E.g. a smaller wax pot floating in a partially water-filled pot (on a stove). A slow cooker is much less fuss, though, and a small one costs very little.
@NielsHeldens
@NielsHeldens 7 жыл бұрын
When will I be able to buy the GCN crockpot? Looks mint.
@jochem1986
@jochem1986 7 жыл бұрын
Niels Heldens well it looked mint. Now it’s a giant “waxinelichtje”
@SoCalSurfer69
@SoCalSurfer69 7 жыл бұрын
Wend bicycle chain wax. Good stuff easy to use.
@SoCalSurfer69
@SoCalSurfer69 7 жыл бұрын
You can’t use straight paraffin wax it goes back to being hard. Which is noise and chain stiffness.
@stuartfarrow2338
@stuartfarrow2338 5 жыл бұрын
You can also use a cheap rice cooker.
@nikolaosstavrou5327
@nikolaosstavrou5327 5 жыл бұрын
buy a cheap rice coocker and a food themometer.
@emailoptional
@emailoptional 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, it was something that I was hoping you would do. I've been waxing the chain of all my bikes (Road, Mountain, Fixie) for years, and definitely find it much quieter than traditional lube. I do 2 things differently. 1. I set the chain down flat on the tabletop rather than hanging it since when hanging, i find that the hot wax drips out of the pins and rollers. 2. I don't knock off the extra wax, but place the chain on the bike and let the gears knock it off while riding; I see no reason not to have a thin coat of wax on the gears and rings.
@lengilongo
@lengilongo 7 жыл бұрын
Whats the parktool model number of the hook your using?
@bouncebynum
@bouncebynum 7 жыл бұрын
P-OLDHANG. It retails for $172. ;-)
@lengilongo
@lengilongo 7 жыл бұрын
I m looking forward to the GCN special edition
@jimbobeire
@jimbobeire 7 жыл бұрын
Would the heat of the wax delaminate it if it was carbon though?
@brianbaxter2595
@brianbaxter2595 2 жыл бұрын
I've been waxing for a year and love it. There's a short learning curve however I am now 95% sure it's a better system. Super easy to clean from chsin and gears ( compared to oil), easy to do initial application and does not pick up dirt as bad as oil based systems. The negative ( last 5%) is because it doesn't work in the winter. Here in canada 🇨🇦 the salt and snow appear to strip the wax off and the chain developed rust. So I now use oil based lubes in the winter and will go back to wax in the spring.
@mythos14
@mythos14 2 жыл бұрын
u may want to use added parafin oil, it will not interfear with the wax. check out oz cycles!
@lazurm
@lazurm Жыл бұрын
@@mythos14 Wax oil will attract dirt and cause it to stick to the chain which undermines the reason for using the wax in the first place. Wiping the chain off after arriving at one's destination or rewaxing should deal with this issue.
@pokey734
@pokey734 7 жыл бұрын
I have been waxing since 1984, I do it differently but essentially the same. I can wax twice a year with 7-8,000mi of riding. when I get any chirp out of the chain, it's 9 out of 10 times the quick link only. That's where a drop of bottled wax comes in handy. Even if you dip the quick link, because of handling it and the fact of it's tight tolerance a lot of the wax gets removed right from the start. It absolutely extends the life of a drive chain.
@goodcompanycoffee
@goodcompanycoffee Жыл бұрын
Miss Jon on this channel from these older videos. Great personality and informative.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings Жыл бұрын
cheers!
@bdooley8
@bdooley8 7 жыл бұрын
I've been waxing my chain for the last few months with paraffin. Have found that if you just use only solid paraffin that it flakes off pretty easily. Mixing solid paraffin with paraffin oil about 1:1 will leave you with a bit softer of a wax that sticks to the chain a lot better. Also keeping an eye on the crockpot temp helps. Too hot and the oil just runs off. Have found around 50C-55C leaves the wax sticking to the chain just right. Won't go back to lube. Wax is much cleaner and quieter.
@wturber
@wturber 3 жыл бұрын
I think the bits that flake off aren't the bits doing the lube on the bearing surfaces. So I've stuck with straight paraffin. I've also taken to keeping a candle stick handy and I give my SPD shoe cleats and the pedal clips a quick rub down with the candle ever 2 or three rides to keep them operating smoothly. I get a lot of dirt/dust in AZ. I brush the pedal mechanism well every 6-8 rides to get any accumulated dust/wax out. The pedals operate more smoothly this way and again, no messy oils or grease.
@lunepilot2874
@lunepilot2874 4 жыл бұрын
Coming from motorcycle off road background I use Putolene chain wax. It comes in a tin which can be heated on one of those cheap camping gas stoves for about £10 the wax is about £25. But it has graphite to help the parrafin wax lubricate. Gets right inside the links.
@florianrodot7817
@florianrodot7817 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I think that I will soon switch to Putoline too. What about noise issues with Putoline ? Thank you :)
@lunepilot2874
@lunepilot2874 2 жыл бұрын
@@florianrodot7817 very quiet.
@jimebutler7271
@jimebutler7271 7 жыл бұрын
I've been waxing my drive system for about one year, I'm very happy with the results. The entire system stays cleaner and the cost is a small fraction of any of the other products on the market. In friction coefficient studies, wax outperforms other products by a large margin. The only thing I do differently than the method in this video is add some parrafin oil to the wax. The right combination of oil to wax is important and experimentation is easy using a piece of metal to test consistency. Somewhere between toothpaste and crumbs is the best. If the mixture is right, there is no noise and no wax falling off the chain. Don't forget to wipe the chain right after pulling it out of the wax bath.
@ltu42
@ltu42 5 жыл бұрын
I suspect that softening the paraffin wax with paraffin oil negates the lower friction advantages, as it makes the wax more sticky.
@kudosbudo
@kudosbudo 2 жыл бұрын
"In friction coefficient studies, wax outperforms other products by a large margin." Which studies?
@guymansford7123
@guymansford7123 7 жыл бұрын
I've been running my bikes on waxed chains for a few years and love them. Few points. 1. your chains aren't clean. You really need a cheap ultrasonic cleaner to get them clean (even a new chain). But shaken in a jar of solvent will be better than nothing. 2. paraffin wax adheres badly. Much better is microcrystalline wax, cheap on ebay. 3. I normally add a bit of graphite powder which makes it quieter. 4 Wax is washed off really easily so I add a teaspoon of gear oil (very viscous) which isn't enough to attract dirt but fairly thoroughly waterproofs it. With the above mods, my chains go 500 miles between relubes.
@oscarmuffin4322
@oscarmuffin4322 5 жыл бұрын
Did you just say that wax isn't waterproof?
@mreilly1325
@mreilly1325 5 жыл бұрын
Watch oz cycle
@Jfb-je2qz
@Jfb-je2qz 4 жыл бұрын
how much graphite powder do you add ?
@guymansford7123
@guymansford7123 4 жыл бұрын
Jfb 0264 about half a tea spoon in 200 ml. Not critical
@Jfb-je2qz
@Jfb-je2qz 4 жыл бұрын
@@guymansford7123 have you tried powdered ptfe ?
@RustyRacer
@RustyRacer 7 жыл бұрын
I've waxed my chains for the last year and they've been super quiet, not sure what you lads are on about. I've also re-used quicklinks countless times with no issues. Just replace the quicklink when the whole chain needs to go.
@JohnnyCarlsen
@JohnnyCarlsen 7 жыл бұрын
I use Squirt Wax lube, it's must easier. And I use it on road bike and MTB and I never going back to olie. I live in Denmark, so if it not raining, when it's snowing.
@grigorbrowning
@grigorbrowning 7 жыл бұрын
Squirt lube, as far as I'm concerned, is the easy real world version of waxing your chain. Love the stuff.
@kidsafe
@kidsafe 6 жыл бұрын
Squirt and paraffin wax (+PTFE +MoS2) are not comparable. Squirt never fully solidifies and still results in a gummy black mess after a while. Waxed chains run much, much cleaner and require basically zero maintenance of the rest of the drivetrain. Squirt residue tends to build up between cogs, chainrings, behind the DS crank arm, in derailleur cages, etc. Dry wax does not.
@TheWaxChainFanClub
@TheWaxChainFanClub 7 жыл бұрын
At last I have a use for the jar of ear wax I have been saving since I was 14.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
Michael McDermott you too?
@someguy9520
@someguy9520 7 жыл бұрын
Imagine the super low friction of that fine wax :D
@eagleeye8916
@eagleeye8916 7 жыл бұрын
I see your 1 step ahead of the competition, they won't hear you coming.
@juggernauttheskydiver5177
@juggernauttheskydiver5177 7 жыл бұрын
How much a gram I'm in need?
@NielsHeldens
@NielsHeldens 7 жыл бұрын
And it’s biological!
@anononomous
@anononomous 7 жыл бұрын
A wax based chain lube (like Squirt) seems, superficially at least, to achieve similar results with less fuss.
@Jbzy03
@Jbzy03 7 жыл бұрын
Same here on both my MTB and road bike
@han-lin1999
@han-lin1999 7 жыл бұрын
MEC sells it.
@eagleeye8916
@eagleeye8916 7 жыл бұрын
That's my go to lube for my sram drivetrain.simple quick performance in a bottle
@richardggeorge
@richardggeorge 7 жыл бұрын
Friction Facts says Squirt is superior to paraffin wax and ranked 2nd behind "Molten Speed Wax". No degreasing either!
@andy-the-gardener
@andy-the-gardener 7 жыл бұрын
you still have to laboriously degrease the chain before using squirt lube, but it wont penetrate the chain as well as the proper method. also, once you have the wax pot set up, its easy to just pop the chain in every few weeks and it will last for a long time. cheap too. it cleans and lubes the chain with zero real effort and you know its getting into all the pivots properly.
@FrankB69
@FrankB69 5 жыл бұрын
My wife walked in on me waxing my chain
@Gieszkanne
@Gieszkanne 4 жыл бұрын
And she took 100% wax that your chain became stiff.
@MC-nb6jx
@MC-nb6jx 4 жыл бұрын
Till Linderman .... As long as you weren’t yanking your chain😉😉
@johnmartin8107
@johnmartin8107 4 жыл бұрын
I want to see the link to that lol !
@evanbarnes9984
@evanbarnes9984 4 жыл бұрын
Pussy on the chain wax!
@thesubydude
@thesubydude 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahah DEAD
@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1
@LUCYDIAMONDBOXER1 7 жыл бұрын
Can I order the matching GCN Steamer, Wok and mixing bowl to go with my official GCN slow cooker?
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
SAF1981 yes. Send me the money via PayPal ,😉
@Davepool_TF-69
@Davepool_TF-69 7 жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for about a year now except equal parts paraffin oil and paraffin wax. Same benefits but runs much quieter. It does definitely extend the life of the chain and cassette. Additionally... I've never had a problem reusing the same powerlink. I'll replace the powerlink whenever I get a new chain.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
David Schroeder thanks for your feedback, Jon
@sandiegotri619
@sandiegotri619 6 жыл бұрын
How do you remove the wax stuck on the cassette to clean it?
@DIRTYBadgerMTB
@DIRTYBadgerMTB 7 жыл бұрын
I have waxed my mountain bike chain several times and it was amazing. The drivetrain stays cleaner than with any other lubricant or liquid wax I've ever used. I didn't get any dust caking on my jockey wheels at all. That said, it's time consuming. I would clean my drive train with mineral spirits to get all the old lube off first then go through the ordeal of removing the chain, melting wax, letting the chain soak then cool and finally remounting. So, this is something I only do a few times a year when I have time to kill. Also, I didn't notice any additional noise like they mentioned in this video.
@elv1sspell
@elv1sspell 7 жыл бұрын
Hey you guys, i tried this recently and it worked well enough. But i used also a little parafin oil in the mix, and i didn't find it so noisy. Congrats from Portugal.
@tallabomba
@tallabomba 7 жыл бұрын
I thought you were supposed to mix in paraffin oil to make it stay longer on the chain and make it quiet. It's no good if it flakes off after a few miles.
@salsalawyer
@salsalawyer 4 жыл бұрын
Or add Teflon powder to the mix. Makes a major difference
@SaitekFreak999
@SaitekFreak999 3 жыл бұрын
Only the stuff on the outside flakes off, enough wax remains inside the chain where it is needed. Adding oil will make it stickier and defeat the purpose if the dry, dirt repellent wax. Teflon apparently really helps but it is horrible for the environment.
@robbhiatt1696
@robbhiatt1696 7 жыл бұрын
This video was so good it should be immortalized in a wax museum.
@bouncebynum
@bouncebynum 7 жыл бұрын
I've been waxing my chains (road and MTB) for almost a year now and I can't see ever going back. It seems to last 350 or so miles. The initial cleaning is a pain, but once that's done, the whole process is very simple. When it's time for new wax, the chain goes in my cheap (Harbor Freight) ultrasonic cleaner for a few cycles. Then rinsed with water and hung in the garage to dry. Once it's dry, it gets dunked in the cockpot and left for 15-20 minutes. Then pulled out and hung to dry before being reinstalled. In terms of elapsed time, that's quite a bit longer than using wet lube. But most of that is "leave it soaking for a while" stuff, so it doesn't take my time. I reuse the quick links and so far haven't had any issues. At some point the quick links start to feel loose...that's when I replace them. The single best thing about using wax is the whole bike stays much cleaner. You have no idea how much crap gets flung off the chain/cogs/etc onto the bike until you switch to wax.
@theblackspark2644
@theblackspark2644 2 жыл бұрын
The word is crockpot I believe.
@jochem1986
@jochem1986 7 жыл бұрын
oz cycle showed to add paraffin oil to make the wax less solid and gunky when it has cooled down, essentially giving it a gel-like substance. Is that something you'd recommend?
@remongrabu
@remongrabu 7 жыл бұрын
Jochem Yes, Oz Cycle goes a bit more in-depth with the topic. I've been using his method for a few good months and am not going back to oil based lubes
@gcn
@gcn 7 жыл бұрын
Jochem I will add some next time I wax, will report back. Jon
@KurtSpaugh
@KurtSpaugh 7 жыл бұрын
I’ve been experimenting for months. Oz is right about adding paraffin oil. The trick is getting the right ratio. Here where it’s hot 3 or 4 to 1 wax:oil is plenty. In colder climes you may have to go 2:1. Too much oil, and you’re left with goo; too little and it all flakes off leaving you noisy. I suspect insufficient lube *on* chain results in excessive cog wear.
@graemecrichton5858
@graemecrichton5858 7 жыл бұрын
I have also followed the Oz cycle method. Lots more faff to get it right but I live in Scotland and were now into even wetter winter riding and so far so good.
@marceljanssens5935
@marceljanssens5935 7 жыл бұрын
I did the oz cycle procedure in april . Drive train so much cleaner. The guys asked wether I had a new groupset!!
@bobfoster687
@bobfoster687 6 жыл бұрын
Waxed chains back in the 80s. Extremely quiet running. Kept 5 chains. Cleaned in gasoline. Got very clean. Waxed all 5 in paraffin in a crock pot. Good for about 250-300 miles per chain in dry weather. About 10 days of riding for me back then. Chains and drive train stayed very clean, did not hold grit. Extends life of drive train components. Saves $$$.
@trufflemonster5399
@trufflemonster5399 5 жыл бұрын
I just waxed my chain for the first time ever this week. Mixture of paraffin wax and paraffin oil. After it was cool and installed on the bike I dusted it with graphite powder. SO much cleaner and more efficient. I’m not a great climber but today I took a sprint KOM after taking 6 seconds off my PR. No extra training; just changed to wax from wet lube. NEVER going back to lube!
@byaheniVan
@byaheniVan 2 жыл бұрын
is paraffin oil same as kerosene?
@trufflemonster5399
@trufflemonster5399 2 жыл бұрын
@@byaheniVan nope. It’s burned in paraffin lamps but it’s a different product.
@corporalpunishment1133
@corporalpunishment1133 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone old enough will remember the dry wax lube from the early 2000s. I use to be a cycle courier and we would ride rain or sunshine and the wax lube didn't last when it wore of it didn't prevent rust either. Another tip if it makes more noise it's because their is more friction and that causes wear.
@squeakygiant
@squeakygiant 7 жыл бұрын
I have been hot waxing this year. Initial prep to strip the chain is time consuming (and important) but after that rewaxing is fast. I get about 400-600 km between waxing. Drivetrain is still sparkling.
@rodrigog.c.6047
@rodrigog.c.6047 5 жыл бұрын
How about chain wear? And consistency of the mix?
@bobfoster687
@bobfoster687 7 жыл бұрын
I have used waxed chains. I would do 5 chains at a time, so I had a good supply. Also, for me, wax did not work long in the rain. Hence, keeping several on hand.
@AJSpinDrift
@AJSpinDrift 7 жыл бұрын
I live on the UK coast and I've been waxing my chain like this for years. My chains and drivetrain last far longer, repelling salty moisture, collecting much less grit and stays lubricated for hundreds of miles. I used to spend ages cleaning and lubricating my chain with expensive ceramic based lubes after almost every ride. My only tips to add to this video is to blend your wax with some paraffin oil. You want a dry creamy, not crumbly / flakey consistency when dry. Give your chain a wipe as you pull it out of the crockpot, rather than waiting until it's dry. As mentioned in the video, the wax isn't needed on the outside of the chain links, so taking it off when wet is much easier and cleaner.
@brentsaltmarsh5899
@brentsaltmarsh5899 6 ай бұрын
Great advice Thankyou
@iancanuckistan2244
@iancanuckistan2244 4 жыл бұрын
I saw this when it first came out. Best butcher job on waxing chains on the internet!
@donaldwolf6907
@donaldwolf6907 7 жыл бұрын
I've been waxing my chains for 35 years, so obviously I think it's great. Drive trains last way, way longer than using any wet lubes (the plain steel Wippermann chain I have on my bike has over 8,000 miles on it and still measures less than 0.5% "stretch"). Plus your bike stays clean! You only have to wipe your bike down with water and it's clean. And you don't have to clean the chain each time unless it's really gritty. Just drop it in the hot wax again. I don't let it drip dry though. If you wipe it down with a towel while it's still hot and wet you get off all the excess wax so it doesn't get all over everything as it flings off. Wippermann quick lings are reusable too.
@billwallace9958
@billwallace9958 3 жыл бұрын
What I do before reapplying the wax/PTFE treatment I will place chain in a sieve and pour boiling water over the chain to remove any dirt before plunging chain into clean hot wax bath
@mydearriley
@mydearriley 3 жыл бұрын
How do you go about the initial deep cleaning process? Petrol?
@dad8178
@dad8178 3 жыл бұрын
@@mydearriley I use kerosene because it's safer.
@Dee-Ell
@Dee-Ell 3 жыл бұрын
@@billwallace9958 So basically what OZ Cycle told you to do.
@kudosbudo
@kudosbudo 2 жыл бұрын
How do you know OP? How do you KNOW they last longer waxed than any other lube? You just said you spent 35 years waxing chains! Did you also run other lubes along side that? Cos for sure the only way you could know is if you split your 35 years equally between a waxed chain and a lubed chain. What a load of biased cobblers folk wil come up with haha.
@rzeckner
@rzeckner 7 жыл бұрын
I have been waxing my chains for a couple of years now and have even added Teflon and molybdenum disulfide as per the original Friction Facts recipe. I wish I could say that I was a good enough rider to tell or benefit from the performance difference, but I its worth it for me not to ever have greasy stains on my calf or fingers as I often did in the past. Regarding the reported increase in chain sound, a combination of some hearing loss due to too much rock and roll in my youth and the creaking of my body parts masks it very effectively. Also, although I may just be lucky, but during the course of many thousands of miles of riding using and reusing a KMC quick link I have never experienced a failure in one.
@ivangordeyev7098
@ivangordeyev7098 5 жыл бұрын
Tip: Do not remove 'excess' was on the outside. It does act as water and dirt repellent. After the procedure bend the chain few times, but do not cross the chain over. [catching up on many hours of GCN].
@RobMacEwen
@RobMacEwen 7 жыл бұрын
I do this in all our bikes. I do reuse the link. The biggest difference in my process is I wipe off the chain while it's hot. Then it goes right back on the bike. The waxing helps clean the chain after it's dirty. Only muddy chains go through the ultrasonic cleaner. This method allows me to very quickly clean and lube several drivetrains, and is particularly effective when all the chains are wet.
@Chitown388
@Chitown388 7 жыл бұрын
Adding paraffin oil will 1) prevent the wax from flaking off the chain once dry and 2) keep the chain really quite. My newly waxed chain always sound silent and I wax it again when it starts to make noise.
@hugobci
@hugobci 5 жыл бұрын
After seeing this video, I tried the lazy paraffin method myself. Cleaned the chain, dry it, and then put algoo chain lube wax-based. Then, light a candle and drop the candle wax in the chain. No noise and is resisting very well clean and smooth, even after 300km
@earthstick
@earthstick 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad GCN has covered this. I read the Friction Facts investigation into is a couple of years ago and have been waxing my chain since. I really like having a clean chain all the time. I no longer ruin a pair of trousers every time I hop on the commuter or have chainring tattoos on my legs. I put that over a silent chain. A few comments I would make are, the cleaning of the chain is the most important part. A chain cleaning tool is not sufficient to get the dirt out from between the plates and rollers. If you do not get it clean then waxing basically does not work. The way to get it clean is first remove the outer grim with the chain tool and then immerse it in a bath of methylated spirit and shake it about like you're mixing a cocktail. Leave it to soak overnight then shake again. Then put it in the molten wax and agitate it to get the wax inside the chain. I don't bother cracking the cool wax off before putting it back on the bike. Just ride for 5 minutes and it loosens up - unless it's winter. Wax isn't so good in really cold weather because it hardens too much and the links don't rotate around the rings. Use KMC quick link because they last multiple chain removals.
@mohamadiskandarani3705
@mohamadiskandarani3705 7 жыл бұрын
Damn now it's the Global Cooking Network
@powdamunki
@powdamunki 7 жыл бұрын
Been doing this for a year- road and mtb (wet wales) def add up to half paraffin oil especially when cold/ cold wet as the wax flakes otherwise and get the reusable wipperman connex link ( make sure you fit it the right way) .
@bmlkohs
@bmlkohs 7 жыл бұрын
I've used wax a few times now and have to agree I hated the noise. Also the upkeep/time it takes is crazy. I religiously clean my drive train every 100ish miles (even with indoor use) and 30 or more minutes each time I have to do it is way too long. I also didn't notice any difference in performance over what I normally do. Regular clean and lube every 100 miles and then a bath in the ultrasonic cleaner every 400 miles (about once a month). Also I'm using muc-off c3 dry lube.
@alex_bakkalinskiy
@alex_bakkalinskiy 7 жыл бұрын
Have important notes, maybe other guys didn't mention them (my experience: 8 chain paraffinations and quite eager to go on). Besides, can anybody make powermeter testing if solid lube lowers drivetrain efficiency? Paraffin it is much denser than oil lubes, so it may create some power loss in pin rotations. (1) Perfectly clean all drivetrain before paraffination - for best effect. (2) Always melt paraffin in a water bath, no direct cooking on stove, paraffin is flammable! Water bath is just a pan with water, smaller pan for paraffin, and some heater (you don't really need that fancy cookware device from video). (3) When chain is in paraffin, shake every link so that air bubbles come out and all link insides are filled with paraffin. You can cook it for hours, but bubbles will still sit within links without shaking. If air remains, it significantly decreases time before you get chain creaking (4) Emergency lubing in long rides, when chain starts creaking: I do it by drops (like oil lube). Just prepare paraffin solution in highly-purified benzine solvent. I use Kalosha benzine (fraction with octane value around 52, evaporates without traces or smell); but its USSR solvent and likely you need to use other organic solvent outside CIS. Take some small container around 50 ml, fill half with parafffin granules and fill with solvent the rest. If this mixture solidifies (below 10 degrees), you can warm it in hot water or by body heat. Drawback of this method: it doesn't clean chain insides like liquid paraffin in water bath (5) If paraffin gets really dirty and grey, you can clean it with water and re-use. Just after taking out chain, pour some water in paraffin (1-2 fingers high), it will sink below paraffin. Keep water bath hot for 15-30 min, so that paraffin remains liquid, but without boiling. Most of dirt will sedimentate in water layer and on paraffin/water surface. When paraffin cools and solidifies, it will be almost clean (you can scrape away dirt on water side) (6) Chains on paraffin are more noisy, because it is solid lubricant and it doesn't muffle links clinking as good as oil does. But good thing is that solid lubricant doesn't move inside/outside of bushings in work, so it keeps link insides clean from abrasive dirt and increases chain life (compared to oil lubes by 50-75%, from anecdotal reports of enthusiasts). If you make it more quiet by liquid additives like paraffin oil, you reduce this benefit. (7) I don't think that paraffin lube lasts longer in wet conditions (as compared to thick oil lubes for wet conditions). When I ride under rains, re-lubing time is much shorter. Real benefit is bike carrying and servicing becomes much cleaner without that adorable oil/dirt mix (remember chainring/chain tattoos on your calfs?). Supposedly you also save on chains as they last longer (other people say so). (8) There are quite unnecessary actions it description: working out stiff chain (it will happen by itself in few rotations; stiff chain is more convenient to pass though rear derailleur cage), removing excess paraffin from chain (it doesnn't catch dirt like excess oil, so why bother? Worst that happens is some paraffin flakes falling and sticking to chainstay)
@fitzt70
@fitzt70 5 жыл бұрын
Benzene is carcinogenic. No use for it at home
@aaauto
@aaauto 2 жыл бұрын
​@@fitzt70 I think he meant Gasoline (petrol).
@tomlandrum5766
@tomlandrum5766 7 жыл бұрын
The first time I waxed my chain was in the late 70's. My bike was then a CNC Special I bought in 1973. When I changed Rims and chain I used Paraffin wax as the lube and I have used it since.
@stuartfarrow2338
@stuartfarrow2338 5 жыл бұрын
There is a chance the wax didn't get all the way into the links. Also, when you hang it up to dry, the wax will run out. When you remove the chain, dump it straight into cold water to solidify the wax. This has to be done immediately to prevent the wax running out of the links. You need to add paraffin oil to the wax to make it runny, otherwise it can have trouble getting all the way into the links. Ideally lube should resemble grease when it's dry, but we don't grease on our chains because grease can't get into the guts of the links. It's about a 50/50 ratio of wax and oil. If the wax is too flakey, or too runny, the wax will have trouble staying within the links. It should be a bit like a thick cream when it's dry. Also, you don't need to let it sit for 20 minutes. Once the wax touches all parts of the inside, that's all you need. Letting it touch the chain longer, won't make it adhere better. Just move the chain around constantly, until you are sure the wax has penetrated the links - no more bubbles escaping. I also add 5% molybdenum disulphide and 1% polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Works very well. I live in Australia so I only ride in dry weather, and lube every 400km.
@cccpkingu
@cccpkingu 6 жыл бұрын
If you hang it horizontally, won't the lower parts have more wax deposited onto them? I suppose it trickles downwards towards the bottom half of the respective pin/roller anyhow, but horizontal seems cumulative.
@bikedawg
@bikedawg 5 жыл бұрын
Scott's pro tip--when still hot and liquid, wipe off all the excess wax before allowing it to cool down. That way, you don't have to remove the solidified wax afterwards.
@bchearne
@bchearne Жыл бұрын
I’d suggest a double-boiler if you don’t want to buy a slow cooker or contaminate the one you have with wax. As long as you’re very careful about your setup and don’t spill, a double boiler will prevent explosion or combustion of the wax by keeping it at or below 100 Celsius
@hglenn55
@hglenn55 7 жыл бұрын
You left off the parafin oil add it to the wax. Don't know the ratio I just SWAG it. It makes a difference
@petrhanak6950
@petrhanak6950 7 жыл бұрын
Good video. Only 2 gotchas there - 1. Add paraffin oil 1:1 to the solid paraffin. It works a treat. No noise whatsoever. Will outlast regular lubes by 2x or more. 2. Cleaning the chain. I am using "technical petrol". This removes particles, lube, grease.. from an used chain prior to waxing. The wax mix temp should be "as low as possible" while it is still liquid. However; be aware those who will do it that the chain itself will cool the mixture so it can start to solidify (just heat a tad more). I am using Connex chains (the link is reusable and no tools needed - both road and MTB). Conclusion: This then is the best lube I've tried.
@gflorey1975
@gflorey1975 7 жыл бұрын
How weird - I have just done this on the weekend. Like Oz Cycles I added parafin oil. 50/50 mix and i found it reduced my drive train noise. and doesn't flake as much.
@tomuno1
@tomuno1 7 жыл бұрын
Oz Cycle is the best in term of waxing! I did my mixture probably 30/70 so it is a bit harder than 50/50 and it repel dirt and mud better, but still run quite.
@Fotopixels
@Fotopixels 7 жыл бұрын
tomuno1 I think this is down to the temperature outside. I'm also on 50/50 right now but next time I'll add some more paraffin oil to it as it's no more that smoth currently.
@seankirk5690
@seankirk5690 7 жыл бұрын
Are you using the light paraffin (less viscous) or heavy paraffin (thicker) oil?
@tomuno1
@tomuno1 7 жыл бұрын
I would suggest to go for the thicker one. I am in the US and what I have found to be the best is "mineral oil", which is sold as laxative in pharmacies. The light paraffin I think is a synonyms of kerosene that in the US is sold as "lamp oil" . I have tried both of them, but I like more the thicker one since it does not evaporate in time. As I mentioned before I like to make the mixture as solid as possible. By that I mean that it has to be soft enough to move inside the rollers of the chain, but solid that it flake off on the outside. Having the solid wax on the chain is the key to keep it clean, otherwise it will just behave like grease. The test I do is generally put a small piece of the mixture between two nails and it should compress and move around, but if you scratch the solid mixture with a finger it should flake off. Another symptoms of too hard mixture is that after a couple of kilometers/miles your chain become is very noisy.
@kevinwallace9168
@kevinwallace9168 6 жыл бұрын
If you’re in the UK you want liquid paraffin - available in small bottles from a chemist or bigger bottles from a vet supply place. 50/50 of that works well.
@hatch720
@hatch720 7 жыл бұрын
Use a wippermann connex reusable chain link and add some parrifin oil. My chain is very quiet until it needs re waxing, watch Oz cycle I will not be using oil lube again
@MrGWignall
@MrGWignall 7 жыл бұрын
The wife is always suspicious when I enter the kitchen, yet alone when I ask to borrow the slow cooker. #BannedFromTheKitchen
@mariamartins367
@mariamartins367 4 жыл бұрын
Have to do it when she’s out . And bribe the kids with candies for them to not say anything. Makes the entire process so time consuming
@wturber
@wturber 3 жыл бұрын
I picked up my own crockpot from the Goodwill store. Garage sales etc. would be a fine alternative. Paid $5. I buy unscented "emergency" candles from the dollar store. $1 for a pack of six. Maybe use two packs for the initial loading of the crock pot. Yes, you have to fish out the wicks once the candles have melted. Not sure what this guy was on about stirring the wax. It just melts all on its own when it is heated up. Also, I don't wipe the chain down. The chain gets very hot and most of the excess wax just drips off. The non-useful wax will flake off quickly on the first ride. My chains don't seem noisy to me. I wax 2-3 chains ahead of time and just rotate in a new chain ever thousand miles or so before they get noisy. What I really like most about this is the elimination of chain tattoos and that my hands remain relatively clean if I have to touch or grab a chain during any maintenance.
@skippy2987
@skippy2987 7 жыл бұрын
I've seen somewhere a 'how to make your own *liquid* wax' video. They mixed some parrafin oil with the initial batch of wax to male it softer first (then did the process you described), then mixed excess of *that* with some kind of solvent that evaporated quickly. The end result was wax applicable from a bottle so they only needed to break their chain if it needed to be deeply cleaned again
@robr9905
@robr9905 2 жыл бұрын
That make sense but I am concerned that the mixture will get all the way inside to the pins and rollers.
@jazzguitarjackson
@jazzguitarjackson 7 жыл бұрын
Am I in danger of going blind if I wax my chain too often?
@magnusarvidsson4447
@magnusarvidsson4447 5 жыл бұрын
I have just tested out a new chain waxed with molten speed wax, I have never had a more quiet chain. love it.
@gcn
@gcn 5 жыл бұрын
Nice one Magnus!
@martinberry1540
@martinberry1540 4 жыл бұрын
Oz cycles has better video on how to clean the chain properly before waxing, plus you need PTFE powder in the wax
@DIA4000
@DIA4000 3 жыл бұрын
ptfe is very toxic to the environment
@billwallace9958
@billwallace9958 3 жыл бұрын
PTFE is the required ingredient to.properly lubricate the chain plus it silences the noise
@shner6742
@shner6742 3 жыл бұрын
@@DIA4000 so is gasoline and many other cleaning solventes, its just the way it is
@DIA4000
@DIA4000 3 жыл бұрын
@@billwallace9958 that kind of thought is what slows down progress.have a good weekend
@marcuswhiterocks
@marcuswhiterocks 3 жыл бұрын
I know pfo's and pfoa's are bad for the environment, due to bioaccumulation. But, unless you're heating PTFE to above 300 degrees Celsius, it is non-toxic, and inert. PTFE is now being produced without an excess of PFOs and PFOAs. So there you have it, progress has been made.
@balazs_korcsog
@balazs_korcsog 7 жыл бұрын
Edit: Noisy is the KMC chain what you used. I used to use it as well bt according to friction facts the Shimano 11 speed is faster. Also try molten speedwax and thr powder
@Ed.R
@Ed.R 7 жыл бұрын
Balázs Korcsog I would blame the KMC chain for the noise. My current chain is a KMC and it squeaks horribly if the lube is getting thin.
@rickkruyswijk
@rickkruyswijk 7 жыл бұрын
Shimano chains are made by KMC. Or so my mechanic told me.
@dannyhanny1191
@dannyhanny1191 7 жыл бұрын
Been thinking of doing this for a few months. I have to admit that I'd re-use the link. It's sort of ridiculous that a quick-link design couldn't be re-used (at once every 100 miles, which is what I've heard the wax lasts for, that would be once a week I'd have to replace a link ... x 52 weeks in a year ... that's nuts.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
David Hanny let me know how you get on with it. Jon
@DIRTYBadgerMTB
@DIRTYBadgerMTB 7 жыл бұрын
I re-use my master link each time I do this and have never had any issues.
@dannyhanny1191
@dannyhanny1191 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your experience, Kenneth.
@TronyCoke
@TronyCoke 7 жыл бұрын
I'm using connex links and never change those either
@Patrick94GSR
@Patrick94GSR 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I use KMC chains on all my bikes and have never replaced the Missing Link quick links, beyond the initial ones that come with a new chain.
@kevinargust3694
@kevinargust3694 6 жыл бұрын
I do something similar, I use putoline chain wax, has graphite and is the right consistency without the need to use oil. For quick top up between full waxes I cut the wax 50/50 with Xylene, keeps the wax liquid to carry into chain then the thinners evaporates leaving the wax in place.
@Ed.R
@Ed.R 7 жыл бұрын
Good video, have been doing this for years. Old candles are a good source of wax.
@wturber
@wturber 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I use "emergency" candles purchased at the dollar store.
@WillBeebe
@WillBeebe 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! The motivation to wax a chain is definitely there. I can't find a video of a waxed chain being ridden so I'm not sure what _the sound_ is like, which seems to be the biggest downside. Do you know where or can you vid a waxed chain demo ride? Thanks!
@TheWaxChainFanClub
@TheWaxChainFanClub 7 жыл бұрын
Is this how Dan styles his hair?
@GunrGunston
@GunrGunston 7 жыл бұрын
Hi GCN, Now that you have done a video on waxing your chain, I would like to know if waxing your bike frame, wheels (not the breaking surface) and your helmet would make any significant differences. I sometimes do this and it sure feels a lot smoother so I would imagine my bike would cut through the air more efficiently? What do you think...?
@D.Eldon_
@D.Eldon_ 7 жыл бұрын
I use SRAM chains with their removable "PowerLock" link. SRAM says they're single-use and should be replaced with a new one each time you remove them. But I've never had to. I typically re-use the PowerLock link until it's time to replace the chain, which for me is 8,000 to 15,000 miles later. I remove my chain and clean it at 300-500 mile intervals. I also remove and clean it after any ride in rain. That means I'll have re-used the same PowerLock link 25 to 50 times before I discard it with the chain. Each time I clean the chain, I carefully clean the PowerLock link also. I don't know why SRAM and the other removable link manufacturers want us to replace them every time and I wonder if this is a legal issue -- an effort to avoid a liability lawsuit if a cyclist does something stupid but tries to blame the manufacturer. I tried Boeshield T-9, a wax-based chain lubricant, several years ago. It was supposed to be one of the best at the time. I didn't like it because it didn't seem to lubricate as well as my trusty old Park Tool CL-1 synthetic oil lubricant. Nor did the T-9 keep the chain clean as claimed. So I switched back to CL-1. If the "old school" method of waxing a chain (shown in your video) only lasts for about 500 miles before it needs to be redone, I think I'll stay with CL-1. The weather is mostly good here during the cycling season but we do have a lot of sand. Even though I ride on nicely paved highways most of the time, my proximity to the sandy soil around Lake Michigan means sand is blown into my drivetrain by the wind. But I seldom ever need to ride in rain. If I had to ride in bad weather much of the time, I'm not sure what chain lubricant I would choose. I probably wouldn't be a cyclist in that case and would return to swimming and body-building. Lastly, I think this video down-played the effort required to prepare a chain for waxing. It is not easy to clean all the oil out of the pins and rollers and this is the primary place where you want the wax to adhere. In my experience, the only sure way to prepare a chain for waxing is with an ultrasonic cleaner.
@D.Eldon_
@D.Eldon_ 7 жыл бұрын
According to the Oz Cycle video on waxing a chain (kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXecn5WtqMaGftU), the author says that the chain needs to be rewaxed about every 300 km. That's only 186 miles!!! That's way too short for me. I ride from 5000 to 6000 miles per year (8000 to 9600 km) and I need a lube that will last longer than that. Even if I could go 400 to 500 miles in good weather before rewaxing, that's no better than CL-1. The one big difference that others have noted in the comments below is that the Oz guy adds paraffin oil to keep the wax soft so it doesn't flake off so easily. That makes it sound like the GCN method will have an even shorter life.
@jonrep8181
@jonrep8181 7 жыл бұрын
I also make sure the chain is absolutely clean within the linkages by Ultrasonically Cleaning them. There are a number of Videos on KZbin about Cleaning and Waxing Chains. Cheers.
@th_js
@th_js 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon you're my favourite GCN presenter! 😀 📹👍
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
Tomi Saaranen aww thanks
@brucecorman7304
@brucecorman7304 6 жыл бұрын
I have been doing this for some time. In dry dusty times, there is nothing better. The chain will repeal some water, but in very cold weather, apparently it didn’t work out so well. I love having a clean drivetrain, so this is something that I can and will do again.
@jamesmason2291
@jamesmason2291 7 жыл бұрын
like the GCN logo on the crockpot
@TheLawnSensei
@TheLawnSensei 6 жыл бұрын
Today I waxed my chain for the first time, I have used the Finish Line Ceramic Wax Chain Lube. Tomorrow I will give a test run and see how much noise is the chain but yes I immediately noticed that odious sound. The instruction says to reapply the wax after the first or second ride, I intend to do after the first ride. I hope my chain is not to much noisy
@TriRussell1
@TriRussell1 7 жыл бұрын
What?! Mr. WD-40 himself doesn’t like a noise drivetrain?!
@Jayneflakes
@Jayneflakes 7 жыл бұрын
I use a chain Tutoro chain oiler on my motorbike, a device that permanently pumps oil onto the chain. This uses a wet lube which, other than a little bit of over spray that I am too lazy to remove, it works a treat. This keeps the chain clean and well lubed in all weather conditions and prevents wear. So my question is this, why not use a similar system on your other road bike too?
@gcn
@gcn 7 жыл бұрын
Have you waxed a chain? Let us know how you found it 👇
@madmonkeycycling9098
@madmonkeycycling9098 7 жыл бұрын
Squirt lube. Easier than this and it's highly effective. Use it on all bikes now, performance is mint
@yelpspoon
@yelpspoon 7 жыл бұрын
GCN, did Ceramic Speed (or the industry) say how long the wax should last (aside from the noise indicator)?
@Gkuljian
@Gkuljian 7 жыл бұрын
I used to wax my chains until I discovered Squirt. No going back.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
yelpspoon I've heard about 500miles.
@yungpapiepepe4184
@yungpapiepepe4184 7 жыл бұрын
I use squirt lube all the time. Drivetrain looks like new on every ride.
@jimjr4432
@jimjr4432 7 жыл бұрын
I've done the chains on each of our ten bikes. I first soaked chain in gas, stirred, brushed then dried. Then used an ultrasonic cleaner, say, $80 bucks, with simple green in it. Usually clean for about 8 minutes. It is so great, quiet, not sure why GCN folks think it is loud, perhaps it's my 73 year old ears can't hear the noise. The really cool thing is that it is so clean, really clean. It does not get dirty at all, or seemingly so. I do really think it is great. Oh, you can get paraffin for canning in your local grocery store and I got my crockpot for $4 at a thrift shop. Cheers.
@3rdworldcycling444
@3rdworldcycling444 7 жыл бұрын
so now you have a crockpot just for waxing chain...?
@Ed.R
@Ed.R 7 жыл бұрын
3rd World Cycling I've been waxing my chain for years and always heated the wax directly in an old tin without any issues. I use the hob mostly but in my workshop a gas blow touch works great. At one time I used to use an old satellite dish covered in aluminium foil and the sun. It tends to give off some smoke long before it ignites.
@nivekvb
@nivekvb 5 жыл бұрын
I've bought some Squirt, it's a wax you put on a clean chain and there's no need to remove the chain. I haven't tried it yet. It's wax mixed with water, but the water evaporates.
@mattager6310
@mattager6310 4 жыл бұрын
My first thought was "what a hassle". After watching the vid, I changed it to "it's still a hassle, and the chain is noisy".
@mandolino6259
@mandolino6259 4 жыл бұрын
same here
@jackglossop4859
@jackglossop4859 4 жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for a while now. It is admittedly a hassle the first few times you do it. BUT there is nothing like the joy of having a spotlessly clean drivetrain at all times. You could change a puncture with white gloves on and they'd remain spotless. Once you get used to the process it becomes really easy. I'd never go back.
@wturber
@wturber 3 жыл бұрын
Not really a hassle if you do it as a background process and have an old dedicated crock pot (very cheap). And the payoff is when you have to deal with the chain doing some repair - especially on the road - and you find you can handle the chain without any mess. Major non-hassle. Also, I usually wax 2 or 3 chains at a time and just rotate in the pre-waxed chains as needed. Also, I don't understand this bit about noisy. My bike is so much quieter than most of the bikes I run across. But then, I'm still running on old 7 and 8 speed gear systems, so maybe it is noisier on thinner chains that flex more.
@wturber
@wturber 3 жыл бұрын
@@jackglossop4859 Yup. And even if the chain has been on long enough to pick up some road dirt and you get some of that on your hands while handling the chain, its a "dry" dirt that is easily wiped off - usually by just rubbing/brushing your hands against each other. I'm relatively new to chain waxing, but with about 15,000 miles on waxed chains, I don't intend to ever buy chain lube again.
@mbuenaflor
@mbuenaflor 7 жыл бұрын
to reduce the noise i still put some dry lube on it. still repels the dirt as expected. But i love the Waxed chain.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
Michael Buenaflor nice tip. Jon
@BernardManansala
@BernardManansala 7 жыл бұрын
I wax my chain judiciously and honestly it does not take that much longer compared to conventional degreasing, rinse, dry, and lubing a chain.
@ellismccoy
@ellismccoy 7 жыл бұрын
Out of interest, how long does each waxed chain last? Does the wax work ok in wet weather? Lastly are you still able to clean your bike with muc off for example without having to rewax your chain
@LuisHim1
@LuisHim1 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for this video good job if you add some paraffin oil to your mix of wax it will have the same effect and the noise will stop and the treatment will last longer i have already tried and it worked very well
@LegSpinna
@LegSpinna 7 жыл бұрын
Am I understanding this correctly? Si did 60,000 miles in autumn and Jon has clocked up 200,000+ miles! That puts Mark Beaumont's efforts to shame!
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
CnE yep. Bang on
@LegSpinna
@LegSpinna 7 жыл бұрын
Ohhhhh 60k/ 60 kilometres and 200k/ 200 kilometres. I was misunderstanding. Km's are alien to us imperial folk :)
@peterthurling2276
@peterthurling2276 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon Two improvements that you can consider: - Food grade paraffin wax should be used as it doesn't contain impurities. - A teaspoon of fine graphite powder (available at hardware stores) into the melted paraffin mixed in well before submerging the chain. This will reduce your noise issue, and makes waxing more effective without having the stickiness of using paraffin oil (which is the whole point of waxing a chain in the first place as it sheds dirt rather than having it stick). But great video as usual - keep up the good work!
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
Peter Thurling hi, does the graphite turn the mix black? Thanks Jon.
@peterthurling2276
@peterthurling2276 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, yes the mixture goes black but once you have gotten rid of the excess, using the techniques you spoke of in the video, the chain looks as clean as yours without the graphite. You can also keep reusing the mixture just as in your video.
@obi-wankenobi9871
@obi-wankenobi9871 7 жыл бұрын
Parrafin (x) *check* Crackpot (x) *check*
@timgarland8619
@timgarland8619 7 жыл бұрын
Paraffin wax + Crockpot + Wife = FAILURE I have been checkmated.
@Michelle_Schu-blacka
@Michelle_Schu-blacka 7 жыл бұрын
What you do to yourself before you wreck yourself?...
@ricktan5663
@ricktan5663 7 жыл бұрын
Don't use the wifey's crockpot... go buy a used one from a Thrift store.
@teem6754
@teem6754 7 жыл бұрын
I use a rice cooker I picked up for about 10 USD for melting my wax. Works great and was very cheap!
@grumpynerd
@grumpynerd 6 жыл бұрын
The chain waxing thing dates from back in the days of five speed clusters. The tolerances on a modern chain can be a lot tighter; I wonder if the noise is the twelve speed chain adhering a little bit as it comes off the bottom of the chain ring. You might check for fouling of the chain ring, or it could be that unadulterated candle wax doesn't work as well on modern drivetrains.
@zombierider2794
@zombierider2794 7 жыл бұрын
Simon Richardson came in and asked for his chain to be waxed too huh? Sounds like you'll be cleaning his brake pads and waxing his frame next.
@antonia4722
@antonia4722 5 жыл бұрын
Ive used Oz-cycles recipe using a mixture of Paraffin oil with paraffin wax with excellent results! My drive train is almost silent and silky smooth! I just wash the chain in hot water to remove the old wax and re cook it..every couple of hundred K..easy! Wipperman quick links are reusable methinks?
@jeffflogel6293
@jeffflogel6293 5 жыл бұрын
I've been using paraffin wax for many years and I don't get a lot of noise until it's ready to be re-waxed. Here are a few comments I have from my experience. 1. First and foremost, you don't need to replace your quick link every time. The key to preventing the failure of a quick disconnect link is the same as preventing failure of any mechanical part that needs periodic replacement (like your entire chain) - inspection. Inspect the quick disconnect link every time you wax, BEFORE you wax the chain (because it will be coated with wax and impossible to inspect afterwards!). Compare it to a new one. When your quick release link is put together and pulled apart, the pins seat on a lip. This lip wears out and is what gives way in a quick release link failure. When you notice this lip wearing, you replace it. I get several hundred miles from each quick disconnect link. Think about it- the need to replace those quick release links depends on the miles on the link, not how many times you take them apart. Taking them apart causes ZERO wear and tear on them so I have no idea why chain manufacturers tell us to replace the link every time we take it apart instead of telling us to take it apart and inspect it every 200 miles and provide a couple extra links with each chain. 2. BIG BIG note - wax doesn't prevent corrosion like oil does so you need to use a nickel-coated chain. All wax does is LUBRICATE. If you try to wax a common steel chain and ride in wet conditions, you're going to have a very rusty chain. KMC makes nickel plated chains for every kind of gearing. My race bike came with a Campagnolo chain and while it never rusted, it never really saw wet weather, either. The first chain I ever waxed was a common SRAM chain and it was a rusty mess the day after a Cx race. I haven't tried any others. 3. More on the quick disconnect link- if you ride a single speed, get a link that is held together with a spring clip. These do not fail and despite warnings from the manufacturer, you can re-use the clip many times. KMC makes them and you can order them through your LBS and have them in a couple days. I have used these for years, reuse the clips, and have never had one fail. The spring clip definitely adds time and effort to waxing a chain, but I think it's well worth the extra security. You can ride these disconnect links for the life of the chain because they are just like any other link in your chain except they are clipped together instead of riveted, and definitely more secure than the press pin of the past. 4. Regardless of what type of disconnect link you use, keep a spare in your tool kit. I did pull apart a quick disconnect link once (before i put my inspection regime in place), but I had a spare link with me and was back on the road in no time. 5. I never have to clean my pulleys, cassette, or chain rings except after riding in wet weather, and then it's just road grime that comes off easily, not the chain lube gunk that is nearly impossible to remove. This nets out some time you don't spend in the futile effort of trying to remove bike chain lube gunk from your cassette, chainrings, etc. 6. More on the time- I don't dedicate time to waxing my chains. I put the pot of wax on the stove with the burner set between 1 and 2, remove my chain, and put it on top of the solid wax and let it sink into the wax as it melts. I then go about my other business at home, usually making dinner. I return sometime later to remove my chain and hang it up to cool. 7. I use an old pot I bought at Goodwill on an electric range. The dial never goes above 1.5 and I'd really think twice about doing it on a gas range with an open flame. 8. I ride in very wet and grimy conditions for most of the year in Seattle so I wax every 55 miles (one week of commuting). This might be why I never find the noise to be an issue. After about 55 miles both the noise and friction increase significantly. On my race bike, which only sees nice weather in summer time, I get between 100 and 200 miles per wax job. 9. If you wax your chain and hand off your bike to a mechanic (in a shop or on an organized ride), be sure to tell them not to lube your chain. I once had a mechanic on an organized ride decide my chain was dry and lubed it up without asking me first so I had to strip the chain and clean the chainrings and cassette before my next wax job. I think it's been 7 years since I started waxing my chain and I would never go back to chain lube. I love demonstrating my clean chain to people by grabbing my chain with my bare hand and then brushing off the few pieces of wax that came off. Switch to paraffin wax and say goodbye to chainring tattoos and other dirty mishaps while changing a flat, etc. Throw your bike in the back of a car without concern about chain grime. It's not that big of a deal unless you're traveling with your bike, and I think the gains of waxing far far outweigh the downsides.
@chrisbowman2030
@chrisbowman2030 7 жыл бұрын
Hey GCN, i ride with waxed chains for a while now. I think your way won't work so well. I have a super silent drivetrain with wax and reduced wear. Here is the way to go: 1. Degrease the chain completely with xylene. 2. Melt wax together with parrafine oil (sold as lamp oil here in Germany) in a 1:1 ratio. The finished product have to be like a very solid grease, when cooled. This won't come out the chain when moving it. 3. Use ready made wax lubricants for relube. I use Squirt Lube Dry Wax and it works great! No need to take of the chain every time. Best regards Chris
@jonathanfarrely83
@jonathanfarrely83 7 жыл бұрын
i just use squirt lube degrease and apply and you never have to degrease again
@gazza1286
@gazza1286 7 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Farrelly - been using Squirt for a few years now and agree. Chains last significantly longer. Stay cleaner for longer and seldom need degreasing. Haven't yet tried the low-temp version. Maybe this winter.
@grigorbrowning
@grigorbrowning 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, for me, Squirt Lube is the easy real world approximation of waxing your chain. Start with a clean degreased chain and blob it on. Makes keeping your bike clean easier too.
@TheNickbb10
@TheNickbb10 7 жыл бұрын
best there is!!! Dumonde tech is a tad better in the wet, gets a little more dirty though
@jonathanfarrely83
@jonathanfarrely83 7 жыл бұрын
ill admit it has to be re applied after every heavy rain ride unlike the finish cross country wet lube i used to use in really bad weather as long as you apply it after each wet ride its no problem
@wuxiren64
@wuxiren64 7 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Farrelly An added benefit of Squirt: Subsequent cleanings require only warm soapy water. Call me lazy, but not having to fuss with degreaser means I don’t procrastinate. So the whole drivetrain stays cleaner/faster.
@enescustovic1883
@enescustovic1883 6 жыл бұрын
The UK is blessed with mild and wet winters, visit Canada during the end of February, it might change your perspective a little
@levijefferies6971
@levijefferies6971 7 жыл бұрын
"The Global Cooking Network"
@icekk007
@icekk007 4 жыл бұрын
Which paraffin wax did you use? Not all paraffin wax has the same lubricity. Skiers go to great length to find the right wax for their skis.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 7 жыл бұрын
Don't worry folks, I will put some paraffin oil in too and report back 👌
@mrfailure93
@mrfailure93 6 жыл бұрын
So???
@gerhardthartlieb8308
@gerhardthartlieb8308 7 жыл бұрын
the GCN crockpot IS the real cooking revolution.
@pckls7886
@pckls7886 7 жыл бұрын
I've been waxing the chain on my touring bike for a few months now and gotta say, I'm enjoying it. In case though, my drivetrain is whisper quiet and the wax lasts me longer than traditional bike lubes. I get abt 500 miles between waxings.
@evilcadence9056
@evilcadence9056 7 жыл бұрын
Would be curios to test if you could enrich the liquid wax with an combustion engine oil additive like MoS or Teflon or both, or trying a special ski wax....
@noname6979
@noname6979 7 жыл бұрын
I go chainless
@gcn
@gcn 7 жыл бұрын
no name nice.
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