How To Win Games on Ruinberg.

[@mattimeikalainen3057]

"How To Win Games on Ruinberg." "Lose" LemmingRush: "Well fuck"

[@evfin92]

Matti Meikäläinen moro

[@mattimeikalainen3057]

Moro :D

[@drafura]

Well if you learn how to not loose, you'll eventually ends up winning right ?

[@chronicmasterbaiter5467]

Matti Meikäläinen Mun piti mainita tosta pelin ja titlen erosta xD Olin myöhäs

[@mattimeikalainen3057]

:D

[@Delimon007]

Ruinburg has several avenues to winning is is completely dependent on your team composition and the tank that you're playing There's no real one set strategy for the map and that's a good thing Now we could discuss the many different strategies that there are for the map but to say that any one of them are better than the other is false because people need to be in their correct positions or the entire team will be overrun, so if you're a heavy tank that is supposed to be brawling the enemies in the city that's where you should be towards the center of the city, if you're a medium tank you have options but choose them wisely. It's not like people can cross into the open so if anything you don't really need to control mid if your team mates are smart enough to not expose themselves to enemy fire down the mid lane. If you are a TD it depends on what your team is doing and what type of TD that you are running (aka glass cannon or front line TD) but TDs can go to any lane on this map and be effective so long as they are not the swede TDs that are limited to using camo and sniping only. This map has a lot of options and is one of my favorite maps to get. In one game I even stole the G1 corner from the enemy team in my 121 and did over 3k damage and allowed my allies to have a strong push helping us win the game by a landslide because I had 5-6 tanks occupied with dealing with me and 4 of them try to kill me and fail miserably and it would have been even worse for them if my RNG wasn't so bad and if I didn't get so many low roll on my penetration (I'm not even joking I couldn't penetrate the frontal hull of an FV202 3 times in a row which is almost all of his HP and he penned me twice in a row and that's all he was getting from me before I put his ass down from full HP). Going to the field in the middle of the map is one of my least favorite positions because people have yoloed me for no reason 24/7 and you are exposed to multiple lanes of crossfire and artillery. It is definitely not my go to spot at all. Edit: Do you see how you are putting side shots into those in the city? That could just as easily be them shooting at you and you weren't paying attention at all, it happens all the time and I blind fire because enemy positions are telegraphable and it's always the same spots so if I know that you're there and I have a shot I will take it and I'm always looking for people who are in the field exposing themselves. Seriously bro, look at how many lanes of crossfire that you're dealing with and how many people are looking in your direction and not firing or people who are just so oblivious that they aren't taking the free shots at you guys in the middle that they have. I'm honestly surprised that you're still alive at this point. You also state yourself that you were so busy dealing with multiple lanes of fire that you can't even get control of the city from that position because you have too much to worry about. I'm not saying that the field is just a bad position in general but it has so many risks that I don't think are worth it. Also you state that there was a lot more that you could have done. Are you sure about that? You were occupied for a reason right? What about all of those bounces that could have been penetrations? Or all those people staring at you who did not take the shots that they should have? If you look closely at the gameplay you can see a lot of luck here and people not shooting you when they should because you exposed yourself (some of them were completely out of cover which is their fault but still) Also if they had been shooting gold I doubt they would have bounced most of those shots fired at you, hell the LTTB could have decided to go for a tracking shot to leave you there for the Jag. That would have ended your game and it wouldn't have been pretty. Basically what I'm trying to say is that playing the middle is extremely risky and a lot of the time I don't see it paying off.

[@atomic8539]

Keep up these videos please! They're incredibly useful and well made.

[@benflap9374]

I love your honesty and pointing out what you could have done better. it takes courage to learn from your mistakes.

[@bananacannon4540]

How to win on Ruinberg - spawn in the north, and don't throw. Easy. :^)

[@pavelp80]

Sadly best advice

[@moose8337]

Why not shoot HE at his track for the reset? Also remember your kill on the T-95 in the T-34-3? You shot HE under the tank to damage him. I used that in my STB-1 to reset a type 5 and it did little damage, but did reset. I know heat of the moment plays are taken and hindsight is 20/20

[@Trajectoree]

Moose Only I tried that once... type 5 is like a sponge it just absorbs all my HE even when I just want the dumb tracks

[@moose8337]

Sometimes the game just says "no". Also does criting a viewport reset caps? I wonder if shooting HE into the hatch up to might have broke the viewport and caused a reset.

[@Trajectoree]

Moose Only You can damage modules and it resets cap too as far as I know

[@benflap9374]

if you do any crit, it will reset.

[@Delimon007]

type 5 heavies armor absorbs HE unless it's a high caliber, you'd have to aim for tracks etc rather than loading gold and penning him

[@Graystripe02]

Love how much you've uploaded recently. The map-guides are much appreciated!

[@spongya77]

This video was incredibly informative. Thank you. You can learn a lot more from mistakes or strategies that did not work than from your one-in - ten awesome games. Keep up the good work!

[@moose8337]

You watch Zeven, I watch Zeven.. let's have children.

[@Lawlsworth1337]

lets have zeven children

[@moose8337]

shadow336k auto correct is a hell of a drug

[@SkyWriter25]

Great video. I really like the way you explain the reasoning behind your moves and analyze the results. Subscribed!

[@nolanwaddill8472]

"How to win games on Ruinberg" *Bounces game saving shot on Type 5* "God fucking dammit"

[@icewalldk]

Really great video, love your videos in general, but this more than avg, you make it so easy to follow your logic and by that learn more, keep up the great work :)

[@paint4pain]

"Here I see a Carne Varn"... the hardest tank to pronounce, only matched by how bad it is.

[@Sean-LOTUS]

Lemming your knowledge of the game is outstanding and so helpful to us tommies, because of your explanations "WHY". Thanks very much for your U tube vids. Please keep it up

[@jeffreywolf8332]

None of us are prescient. we do what seems to be the best thing to do at the time. The ability to see even a few seconds ahead is huge. second guessing yourself based on things you didn't know at the time you had to make a decision isn't helpful for you, or us.

[@stenaldinho]

Learn more from defeats than victories. Thanks for showing this one. Very nicely played anyway.

[@ODGColornChrome]

Great job. I think I learned more from this loss than your other wins. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@rexb21]

I think that in the situation when you bounce ton of shells of this Type 5 you should try to get his track even with HE, a cheap and easy way to reset. By the way Type 5's turret side is probably as strong as it's front so it was risky as you didn't have so much chance to pen it reliably.

[@NomoregoodnamesD8]

The T28 Prot has a deceptively weak turret. The lower rim can be penned by most tanks and any tier 9/10 will autopen anything that isn't the gun mantlet

[@MrUltguy]

Good vid, came back to wot after a big break and was trying to remember everything and your vids have been amazing to help me

[@lucamartin2955]

about your illness: there can be a cure that can solve the disease permanently: bowen technique

[@Bazzerker]

Really enjoying these, keep up the great work.

[@nvrumi]

Thanks for the video. As always, it was illuminating. What is the strategy from the south spawn? The distance is slightly longer to the Delta and so the same tank will not get there as quickly as from the north. Comments?

[@chrissmith3429]

WG is going to buff that gross M48 turret in the next patch I think

[@emperror85]

Learning to STOP pushing your winning flank and go defend instead seems to be a skills that only people with around 1800 WN8 have. Most people, for some reason, prefer to continue pushing into bad position, getting hammered by camping TDs, instead of defending the base and shooting enemies that are in bad positions.

[@contramuffin5814]

Learning to constantly analyze the situation and adapt is what I think you're trying to say. Because low WN8 players just follow the basic pubby strats, pick 1 side then deal damage, then go defend base if the enemy is capping. But higher WN8 players know the value of the actions they take, so they know to ration their hp and their time. They know when to push, even when it'll get them shot a couple of times, and when to defend, even when it means giving up on a flank. Low WN8 players simply can't be expected to know the nuances of their actions. To them it's just damage = good, hp low = bad. But what do I know? I'm just a silly 1300 WN8. (2117 recent tho)

[@emperror85]

In a sense, yes. In this case I was thinking of a very common bad play that 90% of players do: to keep pushing your flank when you're about to cross an open field protected by TDs. For example like when you've won the south west corner on Swamp, won the west on Abbey, the city on Highway, the east on Redshire, and so on. 90% of the players would keep pushing after winning those positions, and then pay dearly when the TDs start to get shots. Why not just let those TDs remain useless campers for a while? They CANNOT hurt your team as long as you don't drive in to them. What good players do is this: 1. If the other flank has already lost, you're already too late to push and counter cap. Go back and defend the base. I've even done this in TOG, so literally no tank in the game is too slow to go back, you just need to start heading back earlier. Players in the 1100-1800 WN8 range do usually go back eventually, but all too often only after the cap counter has started, and that's waaay too late to start going back. 2. If your other flank has won, WAIT for them to be in position to have shots on the camping TDs before you push. At this point taking hits is fine as long as your team mates can hurt them back. This also keeps the enemy campers useless for an extra minute.

[@razed9875]

You can pen the protos turret (bottom ring and face are weakest) with ap as well as pen the protos sides at almost every angle.

[@razed9875]

I learned how to pen it with the IS-6 so it should work

[@Delimon007]

That's only if you're close enough, the patton's gun is a potato but it has good gun handling, just mash down the 2 key if you see a proto or T28 and avoid shooting the gun mantlet

[@RugbyLock2668]

You make mistakes Lem??? My world has come crashing down!! :) Good stuff as always.

[@_hector__]

That was the strangest thing Ive heard. Trying to track an angled Type 5 and do damage at the same time at 500m with 268mm of pen... Bruh that only works on E100s.

[@tg8948]

patton getting some buffs and new turret woop woop

[@gavinaltland9816]

They are buffing the m48 turret next patch and it is going to be called the m48a5 Patton and has 254 mm of armor on the turret

[@Mihai_ZZR1400]

GG man, thank you for the vids....very good comments and very informative videos, thank you for walking us thru the thinking of the supah-unicums :)

[@CheweyBadge]

Hey lemming could you do a video on the Obj 140? I'm struggling to get the third mark on it. I play my Leopard 1 and BC 25t better. Was able to 3 mark those but I can't get it on my Obj 140. Thanks love your videos

[@jongriffin4650]

Thanks Lemming, really enjoying your vids, keep it up. Regards Jon

[@0004332]

Lemming... if you consider the likely changes to the t-34-3s turret and hull armor, and aim time, all buffs, do you think the tank would be more profitable than the super Pershing? Also how painful is each tank to play?

[@mclainhassard5671]

Always love watching your vids. Thanks for platooning with me on your stream lol

[@mihalybalint8969]

Hey, what do you think about position J4 on airfield, if you are in a light/medium starting on the east side with about -8 or more gun depression?. I mean, you just rush in there in the first few minutes, and or you have good shots and good cover, or you take the focus from your teammates in the first few minutes. I think it's really powerful, but I need confirmation. Thank you!

[@TheBacon92]

Wow, so many videos coming this week, i'm so happy :) You're awesome lemming, i've learnt a lot from you, but i still can't play as agressive as you, xD

[@benflap9374]

same here. depends on the tank. it's hard to learn when you're used to play different.

[@TheBacon92]

my main class was tds, so i used to play similar with the other classes, not snipe in a heavy at the back, like a redliner, xD, but, i usually never went to front line because i got rekt, didn't know to brawl, i always stayed like mid range, support role, now i play better heavys, lights and meds, but still have trouble because sometimes i go to a secure death and i only realise that when i got there, xD

[@flawlessfps7937]

If I had a dime for every time he said obviously.

[@TheSaltySabot]

Lemming. How do you feel about the proposed buffs to the patton?

[@GK-wn6ur]

I've seen this in a previous video of yours were you went to this position in the field. What about if you start from the other side?

[@nahrafet259]

11:38 "At tier 10 game play, everyone knows how to left click and aim for weak spots" *You sure about that Lemming?*

[@emperror85]

No, but even tomatoes know how to press 2 and autoaim.

[@indicible4794]

Could you have used an HE shell on the Type 5 to get a reset? Even without penetrating, it would have done the trick, wouldn't it?

[@stephendem4432]

Hey LemmingRush I recently started to grind the chinese tech tree and I want to know if I should go for the 121 or one of the heavies (If the heavies should I do the 5A or 113)?

[@firestick3860]

How to win games on Ruinberg? Do not be medium tank on south spawn :P

[@bonsai.l7802]

Lemming do you know that the Patton gets an bettet turet next Patch?

[@gdxdk]

Hi Lemming, can you please do a video with several examples when to retreat from flank or when to stay and fight? And explain why you do it. I find it a little difficult when to retreat or stay. Thanks :)

[@contramuffin5814]

It really depends on the situation. The thing that many mediocre players forget to do is constantly consider what the best course of action is. You should first of all determine where the enemy is. Any orange-yellow player can do this. They already know from experience where heavies are most likely to go, where TDs are most likely to camp, where LTs are most likely to scout, etc. Then it's really just a matter of figuring out what the best option to take is. Consider if you want to push into a known sniper's nest or fall back and defend, or find somewhere else to flank. Most pubbies will just run right into the sniper's nest because "there's no one lit in the nest!" and take severe damage, just to root out 1 or 2 TDs. It's totally not worth it in hindsight. That's just because they forgot to consider other options. Pick any of the other 2 options and it's almost certainly going to turn out better than if you rush a sniper's nest. So it's really a matter of thinking ahead and considering the consequences of the actions you'll take. In this video, Lemming was faced with the option to push forward and the option to fall back and defend. He determined that there was a Caern who was full health, camping base. In typical situations, the best course of action is to push into their base. However, he noticed that the Type 5 and his buddies are pushing through city. So if he goes back to defend base, he's giving up on the flank, which means the enemy might surround him. But he'll be able to reset base and buy some time. Plus, the Caern was camping. He clearly can't be expected to push up to save his life. If he pushes, the Caern will buy enough time for Type to complete cap. So faced with the options to push forward and defend, pushing forward will lead to certain loss, while defending doesn't. So Lemming decides to defend. Source: Was once a stupid pubby, now am a less-stupid pubby

[@gdxdk]

Thanks for your answer 😊 my wn8 rating has gone up with Lemmingrush guidiance, so my situation awareness has become much better. And you are correct with your analyzis of this video, but personally I find it a little difficult with the situation awareness sometimes, like when to fight or flee. It just looks so easy when he play this game hehe, but I am so glad that he shares his experience.

[@contramuffin5814]

Generally what I do (though I'm a coward LT main) is consider the game in terms of early-mid game and late game. In early-mid game, I try to fight if I know that I'll come out on top. It's very situational, but it also ties into the whole "consider the consequences" thing I was talking about. Generally, if there are at least 3 enemies around the corner, I'll try to relocate, no matter how many friendlies are with me. That's because no matter how many allies there are, there's no way to get every enemy to look away and no way to keep track of when all the enemies are loading. So the way I see it, if there's an abundance of enemies, every time I pop out, I'm guaranteed to get shot at least once, and my own shot might miss or bounce. No way I'm coming out on top in those situations. I'll relocate. If instead there's only 1 enemy, I would wait until he's distracted or until he fired. The thing about trading is that in order to play well, you have to assume that your own hp is worth more than the enemy's. If he's dead-set trying to shoot me, I might try to trade a little, but most likely I'll try to relocate or at least go unlit to get him off my ass. If the flank is falling (and this should be fairly obvious), run. Always. You will never come out on top in these situations. The only issue with this is that you have to start running when the flank is BEGINNING to fall. If the flank already fell, it's too late. You're stuck there. To determine when a flank is about to fall, you have to take a look at the positional advantages of your team and theirs and the number of tanks on your team and theirs. For example, if a flank revolves around a vital position, and the enemy has captured it, it's time for you to run. You can't afford to wait until your team starts dying before you start running. Late-game, I find, is a bit different. Late-game, you can afford to spend more of your hp, and this is when your stock of hp really starts paying off. Because if you have high hp in late-game, you can afford to rush and be very aggressive. If you have low hp, just play safely. So basically, the idea is just that you have to make sure that when you invest your hp, you reap damage that's greater than what you put in. If the marginal benefits is too low, just play it safe and relocate to flank or run. I would suggest starting here to get your situational awareness up: if you know you can't pop out without getting hammered, you're in the wrong location. I find that most pubbies aren't actually lacking in skill, they just simply forget to consider their options. So if they're at a corner, they'll just sit there and trade until the corner is won or lost. They forget to consider that there may be better positions elsewhere, or that they could flank. So when I started learning situational awareness, I just started off with thinking, "If I'm stuck at a corner, and I can't pop out without getting hammered, I should try going somewhere else."

[@gdxdk]

The Developer, very nice! I will give it a go and hopefully it will pay out with your tips! Do you have an ingame name on EU server? Would like to add you and let you know 😊

[@contramuffin5814]

Sorry, I'm a filthy NA pubby

[@Flugmorph]

video is 13:37 minutes long see what u did there.

[@andrewhaas5381]

thanks LR, so much awesome advice!

[@Ho55Delux]

yet another great video.

[@jamesw9930]

Lemmingrush, if the turret buffs they are proposing for the Patton go through, do you think will it be as OP as the Maus?

[@cold_2803]

JAMES WHITTINGTON It won't, cuz it still has the commanders hatch, and I understand that the hatch is smaller and stronger, but it pennable by everything it met before

[@kkgiorgos]

you should have hit the tracks in the end to reset

[@umokul]

i like to get free shots at heavys from F7 from that spawn

[@anderslange6496]

'Carnavarn'

[@faenrir11]

I say, send your replay to Zeven for review for giggles! :D

[@ddemlong]

We need more E-100 vids

[@Andyxylius]

Oh oh ... I know. "How to win with huge lag spikes"

[@MR_FIAT]

I would like to know how to play this map with a casemate TD....

[@ralfy2269]

Hey ! What do you think about the changes of M46 and M48 Patton ?

[@pavelp80]

M46 is bullshit ... well perhaps not. This medium is arguably best classic medium on it's tier for years (it might be E50 for some players). When it was made HD it got significant camo nerf and not so significant accuracy and gun handling buffs. Somewhat later half of the other tanks got gun handling and accuracy buffs (heavies, leotard) and few months ago it was indirectly nerfed by improving tier 8 heavies and adding fast autoloaders that can farm late game damage better. I would say it does not need armor, cause it's played to minimal exposure, but reverting camo to original value (so it can't be outspoted by T-54 with bad view range, but far better camo) and decreasing penetration drop over distance so it at least can pen broad side of Maus at 500m would be nice. But buff is needed only when they want to keep it as best medium on the tier, not because it's worse than wz-120 or type61. Tier X Fatton is weird animal which has no strengths, it seems awkward to play, but despite this, it is as good damage dealer as CenturionAX. Maybe because it's best at fast target acquisition and when someone to shoot at appears out of sudden it does not have problems with lack of gun depression, turret traverse or aim time. On the other hand when it's caught on open, it has better surviviblity than CenturionAX due to troll armor that works completely randomly. Anyways, after buffs ... what are the reasons to play CenturionAX or STB ?

[@fovenaven7949]

4:27 AM for me, why am I awake...

[@tamosaitis2006]

Great game with unlucky result.

[@Mr.Hopper1]

NIce try. Type 5, not OP. Also, mid wins games... you can sit the middle and cover city, and dominate the opposing spawn. RNG ftl. Nice game.

[@kernsr1859]

What do you consider a "higher end player"?

[@EURIPODES]

That poor t-34-2. Such an awfull tank. It has been the worst tier 8 medium tank since its release. But don't worry guys. WG has heard our cries and next patch they will be buffing the T-34-3.

[@chcoupedu62]

just a general question, why no one plays the obj 430 ? is it that bad ? or the 2 other russian meds are just better ?

[@AtomizerX]

sébastien coupé The latter.

[@emperror85]

And 140 getting even better for some reason. As if it needed any buffing.

[@adamnixon6097]

Could use he and shot his track to reset

[@Jay-jk3zy]

Absolutely should've fired HE.

[@AtomizerX]

Jay HE is better, look at the damage!

[@alberthall3983]

LR, great vid, PLEASE do from other side.

[@mickeydown556]

Unbalanced map is unbalanced.

[@badboybootz8]

Jimmy Cricket cry

[@viktorg6823]

He's right. Lemming said so himself because one spawn can shoot the center of city from the 9-0 line and the pther spawn can't, which is a huge imbalance between the two teams.

[@determinismo7771]

Nice.

[@koki8407]

I think the t28 prototypes turret cheeks are weak

[@emperror85]

With 260 pen, you can pen T28P pretty much anywhere. It has some thick and extremely sloped armor in parts just below the turret though that can bounce pretty much anything.

[@thekid7521]

Learning in game from LR > everything

[@MrStrutxD]

can you play the object 416

[@evfin92]

I said it in the stream and im gonna say it now you maine should have shot HE for the reset, but im not the pro here :)

[@gl7492]

Next time..reset with HE!

[@Gre-unit]

How do you lose on Ruinberg though? Oh nevermind, thanks man.

[@taiyuyuan7003]

How to win a game in WOT...... playing tierX tanks and get 357MM as many as possible, period

[@vuxluongw]

See this is why its hard to carry on streams lol

[@apersonthingy]

new gpu?

[@spiliarakos]

You dont know about HE and their ability to reset cap ? Unicum....pfff

[@DetailingCars]

Ruinberg is so unbalanced, one team gets the entire mid road and more cover

[@Delimon007]

no it's not, you just don't know what you're doing, in fact, mid isn't even that influential, if you don't give enemies shots on you in the city then they are sitting ducks and there are tds sitting at the back preventing them from pushing over On the other hand you can't push the other side because they have more cover and TDs sitting in the back Also overall you have to expose yourself 24/7 to play mid and just like you can shoot at people in the city guess what, they can shoot at you too. Overall I find some of the city positions to be a lot more problematic like the one side getting the window to use on the 1 line is OP as[edited] if an STRV uses it. Just call your game done because not only will you not spot it, it'll also pen you just about every time and the chances of aiming and hitting it (and not bouncing off it's stupid bull shit armor) are very low. You can also be extremely influential in the city. From what I've found from playing this map is that winning the middle provides nothing worth taking. Either way you have to push into TDs and get shot at from people in the city who are actually smart enough to pay attention. Many people get wrecked there and I also make sure that they do. On the other hand usually if you win the city you actually win the game because you control 3 separate routes and all of them have plenty of cover to use against those in the field which puts them at a disadvantage. You can even choose which route you want to take without being spotted most of the time making it all the more advantageous, or flat out turtle forcing the people from the field to expose themselves when they have little to no cover.

[@MrKugelsicher90]

this arrogant laughing kills me sry

[@benflap9374]

I like his laugh =p

[@LemmingRush_]

MrKugelsicher90 maybe I should've laughed at the type to win the game ._.

[@thatdude2369]

0:53. War pack aim bot confirmed. Jk lol.

[@ionution6877]

you are just a reroll...

[@macrolog]

these battles are all about luck

[@NTBgaming]

How to win video shows a lost gg lol

[@whitefeather102]

A bit to hard. Great vid LR.

[@johnvonshepard9373]

Hate this map! so hard to push any side.

[@henriliimatainen8701]

Play Maus Win

[@realdka13]

You could've reset by shooting his track too....

[@youcancallmeque]

how is your minimap is big

[@thequanto8555]

The "+" and "-" keys on your keyboard make it larger and smaller.

[@youcancallmeque]

ouhhh thank

[@47vincent53]

I hate Japanese fat otaku type 5. hope it nerf right now.

[@W1seMenSays]

Try this in SEA server or at least put a replay with all tier 10 tanks against tier 10 because this is so ez with top tier tank against tier 8 . No offence

[@no00ob]

11th lolololol

[@ryanqube9132]

the amount of scrubs in wot is unreal. and i knew that you're one of them.