The only company that was busy during covid lock down and will never go slow 😅😅
@swcshorty6 ай бұрын
They will never slow down...not even a skip mark ! Bummer
@SofiaHack6 ай бұрын
@swcshorty dog not allowed ect
@SofiaHack6 ай бұрын
Dog not allowed ect
@IronMike-f8i6 ай бұрын
They will shut down😮 eventually, man is on a crash COURSE TO BECOME EXTINCT😢
@felicitydeikos52506 ай бұрын
You know Covid was man made in a US biozard 4 lab?
@jilllatif2330 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!!! The genius minds that invented those machines and to keep everything running smoothly. Unbelievable process!!! Great video 👍
@nizumik8811 ай бұрын
I did this My whole life I worked in the paper Mills. Fascinating career interesting technology something that's slowly dying
@SofiaHack6 ай бұрын
@@nizumik88don't die as a disbeliever
@SofiaHack6 ай бұрын
Dog not allowed ect
@geraldosei92185 ай бұрын
@@nizumik88hi can I speak to you directly if you don’t mind I’m a young entrepreneur and I want to start investing in that and I would like a get some ideas
@AskRemy2 ай бұрын
yup - it's amazing what people can do - if we could only eliminate the evil side of mankind
@warwick269 Жыл бұрын
Bought a bidet 5 years ago and I use 90% less toilet paper. One of the best investments you can make
@girlygirl40211 ай бұрын
I’ve always been so astonished and impressed on how these machines are built to do all of these things.
@saikiransomanagoudar11 ай бұрын
and can save trees 👍
@Carl_McMelvin11 ай бұрын
Gross
@mummyhugo11 ай бұрын
@@Carl_McMelvinwould you rather use gloves to touch something or use telekinesis?
@KRIPSYNODUTS11 ай бұрын
@@Carl_McMelvinas long as you don’t drink from bidet it’s not gross at all.
@Lxxtz_GarZ Жыл бұрын
This is why you're never too young or old to learn. Things like this is fascinating to me. So we use trees and recycled paper. I can teach this to someone else one day. Thanks for the upload.🙂🙂🙂
@joechampion.2962 ай бұрын
An excellent use of modern technology. This video clip should be shown to School kids around the World. Very educational.
@freindlycannuck1591 Жыл бұрын
Well after viewing this, I've acquired a totally different attitude towards my toilet paper and have decided to use it with all the respect that it deserves! 🤣
@fasalalbana4913 Жыл бұрын
You should have rather respected your body and personal hygiene by using water to wash your ass instead 😂😂😂😂
@HGiff8 ай бұрын
Use less squares after you defecate 😅
@akimateru79806 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂 dead ass
@freindlycannuck15916 ай бұрын
@@akimateru7980 Hey isn't it amazing that they even make some of this toilet paper with a picture of Joe Biden on each sheet! And apparently they are having a major problem keeping up with the production, as the demand is incredible! Wonder why so,so many people would use these???
@sharongordon79622 ай бұрын
For sure!!
@michaelrutledge7048 Жыл бұрын
Toilet paper is expensive, and getting moreso everyday!! If you've noticed, the latest toilet paper roll width is now 3 7/8" wide... down from 4 1/4" of about 10 years ago. Prior to that, rolls were 4 1/2" wide. Furthermore, the cardboard core is now 1 3/4" diam., from the original 1 1/2" diam. Bottom line is, we're getting much less toilet paper and paying much more money... just like everything else.
@rachaelramos Жыл бұрын
I never noticed 😂
@oldbaldguy6151 Жыл бұрын
Smaller sheet count too I bet!!
@thisismerying111 Жыл бұрын
So get a bidet. The world is running out of resources and the top companies just get to keep funneling in money because there’s monopolies and governments that don’t care.
@charltonheston969 Жыл бұрын
Bidenomics
@isabelle7321 Жыл бұрын
Soon the cores will be 3 miles wide, thank u Joey........
@una2000 Жыл бұрын
Very educational 😊Thanks for sharing this video😊
@billystpaul890711 ай бұрын
We all take for granted how everyday items are made. The machines used are quite impressive. It would be hard to live without these items. Thank goodness for smart people like the engineers who make these machines.
@sublimeqt42011 ай бұрын
Pretty easy to live without TP lol.
@lo-bd6yv11 ай бұрын
i couldnt tbh
@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi7 ай бұрын
I had to haul 4 of these from Kimberly Clark in Pennsylvania. So my driver manager told me, "You'll need a clean trailer." That's an understatement! I showed up with what I THOUGHT was a clean trailer. I ended up spending over a half hour with: push broom, dust mop and wet mop, then dry mop again. Then, after all that, I had to go around with a nail puller and remove a years worth of pallet nails that had been driven into the wood floor by a hundred+ forklifts. These rolls are so big and heavy, that only 4 fit, and I had to slide by tandems forward just to make the load on my rear truck axles legal (the max is 34,000 lbs. on those axles).😂 For non truck drivers. Sliding the trailer axles forward, shifts weight toward the trailer axles, which are also 34,000 pounds max. The front axle can have 12k, the rear truck axles can have 34k and the trailer axles also 34k, for a total max weight of 80k (without a special permit).
@PaulSmith-wz2xv3 ай бұрын
Old Newspapers were the chosen option when my vintage were young and that’s all some red tops are worth.
@charliehorsenm3446 Жыл бұрын
Brings back fond memories of when I used to visit paper mills for IBM. I was a paper engineer then - yeah there really is such a thing - and I was in charge of specifying and quality assuring the paper that IBM bought to resell to their printer customers. In those old days, the IBM 3800 web fed electrophotographic printer that was used by large companies, such as insurance companies, was large, fast and expensive. But the dollar amount of the paper typically used by the machine in 9 months of operation equaled the cost of the printer. The printer was a "plain paper printer" meaning that it could (and often did) use ordinary, uncoated printing paper from any source.
@RubenDan-uc6wt11 ай бұрын
Hello Charl, how are you doing today
@NitroClocked9 ай бұрын
So much compassion just for a clean but
@ronblack7870 Жыл бұрын
amazing how those massive rolls can feed and run the paper over other rolls and not break the paper. especially wet. we all know how it falls apart when wet .
@bobtinklepants80236 ай бұрын
The sheet does break as easily as you think, and save with the wires and belts that the sheet is transferred on. However there is a ton of hygiene that goes into making sure nothing comes into contact with the sheet during processing
@BooBoo_Cat Жыл бұрын
They never mentioned the smell it produces. I hate driving by our paper mills in Green Bay, they smell so bad
@gailkohler95837 ай бұрын
We converted 500 pound blocks of paper into the finished product There never was an unpleasant smell associated with that process.
@Meryto15 ай бұрын
I work at a pulp and paper producer. The smell you are referring is originated in the process of pulping - i.e. converting wood chips into pulp. The wood chips are cooked and mixed with water and chemicals that disintegrate the bonds found in the wood, resulting in pulp and some byproducts. The smell of those chemicals mixed with the black liquor that comes from wood is what usually produces some weird smells
@bumbum1919qАй бұрын
My Father worked as an industrial electrician in a local paper mill for 40 years before retiring. He got me Summer jobs at the plant for my Jr & Sr years of high school. The noise level in a paper mill is staggering, you could be standing shoulder to shoulder and have to yell as loud as you can to be heard, the heat & humidity is pretty bad too. It's amazing to watch the paper pulp being made in the beater room and watch it come down to the wet end of the machine and watch as it travels to the end as white or colored tissue paper, eventually being sold as xmas wrapping paper.
@oldbaldguy6151 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I used to work for Kruger tissues back in the 90's. All our paper came direct from Venezuela and we converted it, so I never saw that side of the manufacturing process!
@BaconTomatoCheese11 ай бұрын
That’s some big-ass toilet paper rolls in the thumbnail
@thomaswebber7115Ай бұрын
I find this video so much more interesting now since I've started my job making toilet roll 🤣
@gayathriravi745 Жыл бұрын
Useful information thanks a lot.
@PovertyHelpingАй бұрын
Thanks so much for this opportunity. This is the best online classes. 🏭
@thomasrichardson8327 Жыл бұрын
They are NOT called decomposers but rather digesters, I work as an engineering consultant for pulp and paper
@quantumleap359 Жыл бұрын
Correct. I winced when I heard decomposers. You'd think the producers of the video would have researched and corrected this flub.
@mr.bianchirider81263 ай бұрын
Yes. Digesters. 1976 Pulp and Paper Engineering graduate here. I remember reading circa mid seventies they were making tissue paper at 60 mph, breaking the interstate speed limit at the time ! I wonder if they can make it faster now.
@magdakonop45664 ай бұрын
What an interesting job, a toilet paper tester 😂😂
@barbfrontczak17913 ай бұрын
He's the #2 guy lol 😂
@gwenj66619 күн бұрын
@@barbfrontczak1791😂😂😂😂
@mamasquatch Жыл бұрын
My step dad worked in a mill. Stank to high heavens but one whiff and im taken right back to my childhood... Much respect to the men and women running those machines ❤
@lawtonsegler1923 Жыл бұрын
Really great video!
@lorrainearthur65858 ай бұрын
I noticed the size of the cardboard increased. That is my reason for the tissue video search! Very informative, thank you!.
@ericferrell3775Ай бұрын
this video was really interesting and informative! i always thought it was just a simple process, but it’s way more complex than i imagined. however, i gotta say, i think we might be too reliant on toilet paper. have we considered how many trees we’re cutting down for it? maybe it's time to explore more sustainable options like bidets instead?
@marccharbonneau5838 Жыл бұрын
I work at a paper mill,,very similar process
@johntahi851110 ай бұрын
how much do you think the export price in large volume orders?
@garrettfrazier34565 ай бұрын
Yall deserve a raise id quit pulling up to the interview😂
@processfield1214 күн бұрын
Thanks for video, I get explain to help my children understand how to save toilet papper ❤
@royschmidt6757 ай бұрын
Many thanks for this excellent video !❤️🙏🌸
@thuyninhle7888Ай бұрын
really loved the insights in this video, it’s fascinating to see the process behind something we often take for granted. but honestly, isn’t it a bit excessive how much toilet paper we use? i feel like we could be more eco-friendly with alternatives like bidets. what do you all think?
@MrMopar413 Жыл бұрын
I used to work in the paper industry. That paper machine is used to make all types of paper and can be refigured to do so. Some mills have multiple machines that are dedicated to making certain types of paper. Decades ago I worked for Crown Zellerback paper in their transportation and warehouse division. We had box’s of toilet paper coming out of our ass🤪😂😂👍. Our warehouse was full of it. Also rolled paper in rolls weighing several tons each. We also stored spare shaft spindles for the paper machines because they didn’t have room at the paper mills. The process of making paper hasn’t really changed from the original design by a guy in Germany around 1860 who came up with the design still used today, only the machines have gotten big and faster and computerized. I tell you if you have a problem with one of those paper machines by the time you realize it and hit the panic stop button you are up to your eyeballs in paper everywhere. The good thing is any bad end product you just gather it all up and put it in the decomposer and make new paper out of it. Even in the warehouse if paper products got damaged we just put it dumpster’s to hauled back to the paper mill to be recycled.
@Alex-ft1df11 ай бұрын
I bet that was noisy in there.
@MrMopar41311 ай бұрын
@@Alex-ft1df it probably was. I worked on the warehouse side of the company. We stored a lot of parts - rollers for the paper machines and they where big🤪😀👍
@justalittleguy73311 ай бұрын
Wow, this was super interesting to read!
@MrMopar41311 ай бұрын
@@justalittleguy733 the paper industry is vary interesting. How it all Works
@mr.bianchirider81263 ай бұрын
The fourdrinier machine was invented by Nicholas Robert from France.
@V3ntilator Жыл бұрын
Remember there is 50% discount if only one side of the paper is used.
@kathyyoung1774 Жыл бұрын
🤣😂😆
@DeeDee_9997 ай бұрын
🎉🎉 wow! these machines are just incredible
@MassMadeFactoryАй бұрын
really enjoyed this video! it's fascinating to see the process behind something we often take for granted. but honestly, do we really need all those layers? i feel like a single-ply option could be just as effective and way more eco-friendly. just a thought!
@jordanalexander615 Жыл бұрын
That dryer roller weighs over 180 tons. The factory i help install had roles up to 15,000 lbs and used clamping forklifts to grab them and move them. Even stacking them . Everything about the operation is big . Including the super sized saw blades.
@bobtinklepants80236 ай бұрын
Heavily depends on what the plant wants the size of the yankee to be. I’ve seen as low as 20 tons and the most common being 40 tons
@ManufacturerProcess6 ай бұрын
Great process! Thank you for the information your videos bring to everyone!
@earthstewardude Жыл бұрын
I use the cheapest roughest toilet paper and I keep a water spray bottle next to my toilet. I gently mist the rough toilet paper and it's just a soft as Charmin !
@kendallevans4079 Жыл бұрын
We don't need to know everything about you
@Mitch-Hendren9 ай бұрын
Thats actually really clever . Thanks for that
@nimfafarrelly763111 ай бұрын
Since i was in the Philippines, my sister-in-law wonder why i always use toilet paper or tissue paper to hold the public door knobs, which is an ordinary thing for me, then 2020 when covid struck around the globe, they realize my little precautions. Until now i really "valued" toilet paper, and much more of realizing this "amazing" machines. Kudos to our Industrial Engineers and Chemists to make this product safe and very sustainable in our every day life. ☘hoping we plant more trees by replacing it for future generations 😊
@petuniasevan7 ай бұрын
So many people don't realize that pulpwood is a crop, like an apple orchard or a cornfield. Takes a few years like the orchard and is harvested like the corn, then replanted. Paper companies have done this for many decades. They also recycle a large percentage of the total usage (rework, sorted industrial and household waste paper, etc). Source: I work In the paper industry.
@fasx569 ай бұрын
Thank you for such an informative video full of details on how one of the necessities of life are made. Most Americans use tools, products and all kinds of consumer products and take them for granted.
@JLuca-zm4okАй бұрын
Unbelievable 👏
@TruongLeChinh2 ай бұрын
great video! i really liked how you explained the process in detail. but honestly, i wonder if we’re over-relying on toilet paper. wouldn’t it be interesting if more people considered alternatives like bidets? just a thought!
@RyanDerzicPaparelli8 күн бұрын
your video helped me with my essay thanks
@sheepdawg993 ай бұрын
No more phone books. T P companys got us 😮
@MeskeremAbebe-r3q8 ай бұрын
Amazing process
@miketobin232421 күн бұрын
All that effort to make the paper white, only to turn it brown later.....
@jasonboyd574010 күн бұрын
😂😂
@RAYMONDBOGERT-up9hs Жыл бұрын
THATS ONE BUSINESS THAT WILL NEVER GO OUT OF BUSINESS WITH ALL THE 💩 GOING ON IN THIS WORLD😂
@rizwanmahai Жыл бұрын
It's not a norm in Asia. We clean our asses with water.
@felicitydeikos52506 ай бұрын
@rizwanmahai Why don't they make this " world wide instead?"
@MichaelToub11 ай бұрын
Great Video!
@garycarroll9447 Жыл бұрын
I agree to just use the falling leaves. To process the toilet paper.
@boblebricolo621910 күн бұрын
amazing !
@BarbaraKelley-v4kАй бұрын
what an interesting video! i never really thought about all the steps involved in making toilet paper. but honestly, with all the environmental concerns these days, don’t you think we should explore more sustainable alternatives? it feels a bit outdated to still rely so heavily on paper products when there are options like bamboo or reusable cloth. just my two cents!
@joelkoonce8559 Жыл бұрын
The whole country of Thailand don't use toilet paper, they use a duvet ( bottom squirter ) Wow , very refreshing, it also can be used to freshen up other parts down there.
@randystevens4054 Жыл бұрын
I hope to god they don't use a duvet, as that is a type of bed covering! I think you were going for bidet.
@timheersma4708 Жыл бұрын
@@randystevens4054 Wipes on the bed sheet ?🤣🤣🤣
@melkitson Жыл бұрын
Many parts of the world use water in various forms, from BIDETS to water sprays.
@JonMichaelDeBona8 ай бұрын
My wife gets pissed when I use our duvet.
@dlebreton7888 Жыл бұрын
Strange, the video says the wood used is crooked. None of the trees stripped are bent, each log is the same diameter and, there is no crooked wood anywhere.
@Carl_McMelvin11 ай бұрын
It’s called stock footage. You just watched videos of timber harvesting. Doesn’t mean those logs were used for TP. 😂
@flowersgirl940411 ай бұрын
Thanks for the information
@jerryfacts9749 Жыл бұрын
This is a multi billion dollar global industry. Everyone alive needs to crap, and in most parts of the world people are using toilet paper. Toilet paper is not going to become obsolete any time soon. In fact it is a growing industry as population is growing. Buying shares of companies that manufacture and distribute toilet paper looks to be a worth while long term investment.
@RussellD11 Жыл бұрын
um, you are DEAD WRONG DUDE. the USA is the ONLY place that uses TP... they are rich and wasteful!
@skeleton1_goose810 ай бұрын
@@RussellD11 So what does everyone else use?
@tabassumvaqar50778 ай бұрын
Veri informative 👌 👍
@JackNadeau Жыл бұрын
How can you tell if someone uses a bidet? They’ll make sure to let you know 😀
@kendallevans4079 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Like a vegan getting in your face
@bryanw595111 ай бұрын
Only if you haven’t learned to not use toilet paper yet.
@kendallevans407911 ай бұрын
@@bryanw5951 Umm.....Don't think you get it
@ChadTharp Жыл бұрын
My mother in law needs one the rolls like the one at the beginning of this video
@leedaniels71967 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@tiburonasdruscar284121 күн бұрын
The video is missing how the trees grown
@Deblino Жыл бұрын
Great video for a late night toilet visit 😂
@hangbui42452 ай бұрын
great video, really informative! but honestly, i always thought there was more to the process than just rolling it up. like, isn't it a bit weird that we don't talk more about the environmental impact of paper production? it seems like something we should consider more seriously.
@andyjay9346 Жыл бұрын
Well, glad we got to the bottom of that!
@IgouAnn11 ай бұрын
Awesome!!
@janeself9827 Жыл бұрын
Wow. stupendous!
@biancakhumalo40406 ай бұрын
It's true that way thanks 😊 🙏
@joealcamo8901 Жыл бұрын
Those rolls are for giants!😵💫
@RoseBud-fk4qg Жыл бұрын
Trump but size😂😢😮😅😊
@skipmcdonald6527 Жыл бұрын
This was so interesting!
@thomasleong5982Ай бұрын
Just imagine HOW MANY "JOBS" could be created IF all this was done mostly by HUMANS INSTEAD of MACHINES!!!!
@stanpatterson50335 ай бұрын
If you object to logging, try using plastic toilet paper.
@Boyeaton15 ай бұрын
Could use hemp but fat cats prefer greed than save the planet. Hypocrisy is of the charts
@cornycorny2952 Жыл бұрын
Virgin pulp is more typically manufactured in continuous digesters, not batch as described here. We forming and pressing sections shown here are typically used in flat paper manufacture such as printing and writing. Tissue typically is made either on a yankee dryer or transpiration dryer. Pressing is really counter productive to producing a bulky, absorbent tissue product therefore it is minimal in a tissue machine.
@mth1012616 ай бұрын
I am glad they made this process. I am almost out of Sears and Roebuck catalogs 😂
@FactoryWorkerLifecambodia Жыл бұрын
Wow❤❤❤❤
@MassMade12Ай бұрын
great video, very informative! i never knew the process was so intricate. but honestly, do we really need all that toilet paper? seems like a lot of waste when there are more eco-friendly options out there. just my 2 cents!
@tonhuu6804Ай бұрын
great video, really informative! but honestly, i still can’t wrap my head around why we need so many types of toilet paper. isn’t it just, you know, paper? it feels like overkill to me. what do u guys think?
@MarleneIsaacs-e5o Жыл бұрын
What a amacing job
@mentzerr8 ай бұрын
Rubber glove flannel warm water job done. 😊
@thecrow6915 Жыл бұрын
Amazing
@jaytc32184 ай бұрын
From looking at the thumbnail for this video, you might be thinking, "Damn, toilet paper rolls are getting bigger every year!"
@stanleykijek6983 Жыл бұрын
If only Sears & Roebucks was still in the catalogue business you could get your make your own TP for free!!!
@User-4-mn3or Жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@biancakhumalo40406 ай бұрын
So amazing
@spappy2k64 ай бұрын
I love when i hear terms like "more environmentally friendly". Where do these companies get their energy from?🤔🤔🤔
@langesanti-agingwellnessp.3502 ай бұрын
Using a bidet has been one of the best investments I’ve ever made-it’s a game-changer! You feel cleaner, you are cleaner, and it’s like a little spa moment every time you use the bathroom 🚿✨ The only downside? When you’re at a friend’s house or on vacation, you find yourself awkwardly wondering, “Where’s the bidet?!” 😅🚽 Back to the primitive ways with just toilet paper, and it’s never quite the same! 🌍🧻
@Davett53 Жыл бұрын
12/2023....I didn't realize for years, that the toilet paper I grew up with,....during the years 1953 to the late 1980s,....was being NARROWED, little by little, every couple of years. So rolls before the 80s were wider. This is in the USA. I'm guessing this was done to maximize profit, and perhaps use less paper. I found a vintage roll of TP, in my pantry, and was surprised how much wider it was. I saw an PBS/NPR special on the topic too.
@Ariel-lol Жыл бұрын
So you didn’t clean out your pantry for like 30 years? Huh😂
@Davett53 Жыл бұрын
@@Ariel-lol Not really. Various local citywide emergencies over the years, inspired me to stash some toilet paper. I had never opened packages of "vintage" TP. ......lol
@kendallevans4079 Жыл бұрын
@@Davett53 LOL...."vintage" TP? I guess like neck ties, everything is cyclical. Wide TP might make a comeback? They could call it "Retro Rolls"
@Davett53 Жыл бұрын
@@kendallevans4079Too funny!......Yes, bring back Retro Rolls!
@DeepikaSharma-nr1wd5 ай бұрын
Bro who thought about doing all these different steps? The human mind is so amazing
@joanphilbin8210 Жыл бұрын
I often wonder why different rolls, in the same purchased package, have ways to start the roll working. Some are easy starters than others. What causes that?
@jordhanc Жыл бұрын
06:53, the packaging process isn’t shown here but in this case, each pack uses up to 4 different channels of logs based on the pack sizes, hence the variation with rolls within the same pack.
@joanphilbin8210 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I thought it might be something like that. I appreciate your taking the time to answer my query. God bless and keep you, and yours, well and safe.@@jordhanc
@krogdog11 ай бұрын
Everybody please consider using _BAMBOO TOILET PAPER_ instead of traditional. So much more sustainable.
@studebaker4217 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating film, but why the jangly background beat? Adds zilch except distraction and irritation.
@cats_forever_1975 Жыл бұрын
Costco Kirkland had 500 sheets per roll, now it has 380 sheets per roll and the price went from $15.99 to an annoying $22.99 and it is not worth it.
@melkitson Жыл бұрын
22.99 a roll???
@CarolRogers5011 ай бұрын
Wonder how that big roll last 😳👍👋
@ManufacturingProcess98 Жыл бұрын
very good
@rd-pd8xb11 ай бұрын
Toilet paper is considered a quintessential and necessary good in American life. At the very onset of the pandemic, consumers stocked up on toilet paper for months.
@davidgoodwin378311 ай бұрын
I've often sat there wondering how do they make toilet paper? Well, now I know. Amazing! Now I wonder, what will I think about now?
@China-Clay11 ай бұрын
Good luck with that 😅
@RubenDan-uc6wt11 ай бұрын
Hello David, how are you doing today.
@nicolamae11 ай бұрын
Back in the very early 80s, toilet paper packs came with stickers. I don’t know why they did that but I always liked getting the stickers.
@talleymatthews44349 ай бұрын
I believe I use for than that for 1 year.❤❤❤❤❤
@IjeomaChukwuokoro Жыл бұрын
Amazing I want to be one of your distributors
@totalfreedom45 Жыл бұрын
What's the quickest way to get in touch with your inner self? Single-ply toilet paper 😝
@SoapinTrucker Жыл бұрын
😂
@kendallevans4079 Жыл бұрын
What do toilet paper and the Starship Enterprise have in common? They both are on their way to UR-ANUS to wipe out the Clinge-Ons!..........Ok, I'll show myself out!
@austinanderson747 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone said the thumbnail looks like mini men working on regular toilet paper??
@joelstein46578 ай бұрын
100 rolls per year. That's one every three and a half days. Wow! I don't wanna meet those people.