How Tough is Space Marine Power Armor (Warhammer 40k Adeptus Astartes)

How Tough is Space Marine Power Armor (Warhammer 40k Adeptus Astartes)
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From the wiki:
Power armour is an advanced form of powered combat armour, worn primarily by the Space Marines and the Chaos Space Marines, though suits have been created to be worn by mere mortals. It is a completely enclosed suit of combat armour composed of shaped adamantium and plasteel plates, encased in a ceramite ablative layer.
Each suit possesses a full suite of life-support functions for operation in hostile environments, an automated medicae system to provide some level of first aid to a wounded wearer and a highly advanced and fully integrated tactical targeting and threat analysis system known as auto-senses.
The suit would be heavy and cumbersome to wear but for the electrically-motivated fibre bundles within the armour that replicates the wearer's movement and enhances his strength beyond its already considerable superhuman baseline (for Space Marines).
Rather than simply being worn, a Space Marine's armour integrates with him. It can take many solar decades to forge a single suit of power armour, and each is maintained with absolute care and devotion by skilled Chapter serfs or even the Space Marines themselves. Each suit is a unique artefact with a spirit and history deeply valued by its Chapter.
Power armour has a range of auxiliary systems that improve the Space Marine's effectiveness, including auto-senses made up of thought-activated communications systems, augurs, audio filters, targeting reticules and numerous other features.
Life support functions include pain suppressors, combat stimulants and anti-venoms. Reinforced greaves incorporate gyroscopic stabilisers and power units that magnetise the soles of the armour's boots for zero-gravity and vacuum combat.
Primaris Space Marines now wear modular Mark X Power Armour. This highly flexible protective system can be modified and upgraded to suit the needs of the battlefield. Mark X Tacticus Power Armour is the most common Mark X variant, and is worn by Intercessors, among others.
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They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them and in the furnace of war I shall forge them. They shall be of iron will and steely sinew. In great armour I shall clad them and with the mightiest weapons shall they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight them. They shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines...and they shall know no fear.
THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND
The Space Marines or Adeptus Astartes are foremost amongst the defenders of Humanity, the greatest of the Emperor of Mankind's warriors. They are barely Human at all, but superhuman; having been made superior in all respects to a normal man by a harsh regime of genetic modification, psycho-conditioning and rigorous training.
Space Marines are untouched by plague or any natural disease and can suffer wounds that would kill a lesser being several times over, and live to fight again. Clad in ancient power armour and wielding the most potent weapons known to man, the Space Marines are terrifying foes and their devotion to the Emperor and the Imperium of Man is unyielding. They are the God-Emperor's Angels of Death, and they know no fear.
The Astartes are physically stronger, far more resilient and often mentally far removed from the lot of most normal Human beings. In the presence of the Astartes, most people feel a combination of awe and fear, and many cultures on the more primitive worlds simply worship them outright as demigods or angels of the God-Emperor made flesh.
They should feel so, for many Space Marines feel little compassion for those they have sometimes termed "mortals" in comparison to themselves, seeing the very people they were created to protect as little more than obstacles to a more efficient eradication of the Imperium's enemies.
This is an attitude sometimes taken by whole Chapters. They see normal Humans as frail, weak creatures given to the follies of temptation, avarice, greed, lust and cowardice -- all emotions they rarely feel, if ever.

[@swordsinger1061]

I think this is mostly right, and I know this is mainly just about the effectiveness of the armor alone. But I think what makes space marines efficient is there ability to move around with said armor, the mobility imo is what makes them dangerous.

[@petericiousness]

Yeah I say the whales stand together on this one. If they were standing sill that would be one thing, but we cant forget what is behind the armor. Skin that can stop smaller calibers by itself, muscles galore, a fused ribcage with bones infused by ceramics. OH YEAH and the fact that the black carapace states that the marine moves in the armor with such efficiency it is like they are wearing nothing at all. Combine this with heigtened ability to absorb information i am confident that in a 1 on 1 they could position their armor to take the bullets where it is strongest. When the soldier is over century old i would like to imagin they would not just arogantly stand still and take bullets if one penetrated and did damage. Space marines are so much more than just their armor.

[@starhammer5247]

@@petericiousness Their skin is not bulletproof. That's a myth mis-attributed by someone thinking the black carapace makes their skin stronger. It doesn't. Their skin is as strong as normal skin, only the areas around the torso, thighs, and upper arms can resist bullets.

[@khango6138]

While the Power Armour is strong, I think the best enhancement they give to the Astartes is increased mobility on top of their already enhanced strength and speed. Hitting a Marine in his armour's weak point with a ranged weapon from a distance while he's running faster than a wild ox is pretty darn hard (not to mention when he's using a jet pack), and given the amount of bs speed the lore gives them, I wouldn't be surprised if they can somehow shoot a rocket-propelled projectile midair. However, Space Marines also paint their armour ridiculously colourful, so you can see them miles away :p

[@BearsDenGaming]

Aren't their normal bolters rocket propelled projectiles already?... Most people don't realize those normal looking pistols and rifles actually shoot massive highly explosive rounds that would obliterate a normal person into a red mist with a single hit.

[@anthonyallmond3682]

Doesn’t really matter when he can run 80 miles per hour instantly

[@FermentingSoysauce]

@BearsDenGaming yes and bolters don't really work on astartes so they would always charge into melee range if they were to fight chaos marines

[@olorinmagus4479]

@@BearsDenGaming which is pretty necessary, considering the kinds of things they’re shooting at. Problem is, for ordinary humans, a bolter is a heavy weapon emplacement. (As firing them by hand is a great way to break a few bones) and the space marines move at *incredibly* high speeds, making getting a bead on them, (especially when they’re moving unpredictably) a nigh impossible task

[@JsphCrrll]

@@anthonyallmond3682 Space marines are running 50mph at most. Don't inflate the stats of a normal space marine.

[@Ayeloo]

Some things worth noting are that a marine's "armor" goes beyond just his Power Armor Underneath the outer ceramite, the adamantium plates and the plasteel is the black carapace, one of many gene-seed organs that is not only a neural interface for the wearer but also a hardened, fibrous material that rests between the skin and muscle Not only that, but the muscle itself is almost comically bulky, regenerating incredibly fast with the aid of a roided-out metabolism being pumped full of combat drugs To top it all off the bones are basically made of ceramic armor and iron due to their special diet as neophytes and the effects of other gene-seeds. The ribs are molded to take the form of shingles, basically giving the marine a turtle ribcage If you wanna get REALLY pedantic, the armor being of a Terminator/Primaris model or the state of the its machine spirit could play a role in overall effectiveness, but even with all of those advantages the muhreens can still drop like flies

[@GiRR007]

The black carapace is more similar to something like kevlar or polyethylene in terms of protection. Could stop rifle rounds effectively but not really anti armor/anti material rounds.

[@justfrybread]

with shingle ribs they’d have a tough time breathing and moving their torso

[@r.e.z9428]

How tough is your faith in the God Emperor?

[@glacyitefreez4929]

asking the real questions

[@matthewhall7976]

**says in my best ork English** "Gord hemproar?.. Urhgle and Khorne, now dey some right tough lads"

[@nobleman9393]

About 1 gigawatt

[@ohamatchhams]

Imperial Truth or Imperial cult version? Also can Emperor of Mankind withstand SCPs, Darkseid, Thanos, DOOM god, etc?

[@Dakooties]

Do not weep for them because their faith is lacking but rejoice because mine is bottomless.

[@godqueensadie]

If I'm understanding 40k Lore correctly, any armour is only as protective as Orks believe it to be

[@DCstroller]

He’s not wrong. There’s a fan theory that, because of the way the orcs collective psychic powers work combined with the fact that they believe the color blue is lucky, it explains why the ultramarines never lose

[@SirAroace]

I get the joke but the W

[@Dakooties]

Orkz' power of belief only affects the orkz and their technology. Even then it's not a sure thing for many different reasons.

[@numbahjuan1]

Yeeee nah

[@beetlepenny4839]

@@Dakooties no it affects everything,that is also why the god emperor is still alive, because the orks believe he is to strong to die

[@runamuck840]

Question is what armor are you using as the space marines have 9 different suits and 10 marks each progressively getting better

[@XXLPIakat]

Armor getting progressively better? That sounds like Tech-heresy, your regiment won't be receiving any supplies from the Admech anytime soon.

[@enivid9552]

One thing forgotten (don’t know if this was already mentioned) is that there are parts of space marine armor that is made of adamantium and plasteel adamantium being the strongest known material to the imperium it is used in conjunction of the three materials which makes the space marines armor stronger than what is available to us in current times. The adamantium and plasteel are the base layers which are then covered by a ceramite layer.

[@zionchar11]

I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis. The only problem is that taking into account that Astartes themselves are absolutely monster without the armor does make them a nightmare to fight. Super human strength, agility, reaction, calculation, pain resistance, etc etc. They could still charge at an enemy with their limbs blown off like it's nothing.

[@necromatic9490]

its also cannon they move fast enough to dodge bullets

[@LennoxParsec]

And what use would it make to charge at me without his limbs? Is he gonna angry scream at me till death? Lmao.

[@necromatic9490]

@@LennoxParsec they in cannon can spit acid capable of burn steel from up to 4 meters away as well as they have enough mass to squish you to a pancake with out limbs

[@heavenlywithhishands]

@@LennoxParsec Oh shit, we got an internet badass over here. Watch out guys, he'll slay you with his mighty keyboard and shitty Yu-Gi-Oh deck.

[@SaltyDutchman]

I have got to say it is a well crafted video, however parts of it are wrong. Firstly, generally autoguns fire a calibre of roughly 8.25mm rounds not 7.62, secondly the only instance listed of a direct comparison to strength of ceramite to steel is in the Imperial Armour book which is a joke to the lore with what is inside it is disregarded by fans for being so poor at lore, though with how vast the lore of 40k is it impossible to not have information contradicting other information. Simply put, the strength of the armour is as strong as the writer of a novel wants it to be, hence why it can withstand nukes but also can apparently be penetrated by an autogun or even a lasgun (which should be impossible due to ceramite conducting almost no heat) and given that it also doesn't rupture or dent on impact it should take a meaty round to do anything but scratch the paint. Really it comes to this, it is a fantasy metal not sci fi metal. Normal rules don't apply because Warhammer 40k is science fantasy not science fiction. If I had to put an estimate in strength, I would estimate it would be on par strength-wise with depleted uranium. This is backed by the fact that while ceramite is suppose to be light, space marine power armour weighs anywhere from 500kg to 1000kg depending on the variant of the armour (Source: Deathwatch core rulebook, page 28). Also another note, the Flak Armour that Astra Militarum use is a lower-quality ceramite plating, given that is able to protect against small arms fire of 40k at worst the lowest quality ceramite is quite a bit better than modern ceramic plating.

[@moonamir9708]

Imperial guard flak armor is basically A level 4 modern body Armor with high level heat resistance. While 8.25mm is not a 7.62mm NATO , it's pretty comparable in energy (about 500 more joules) It's around halo 7.62mm ammunition.

[@starhammer5247]

Finally, some numbers to use. Mind doing some math for Spartan armour later? I've always been curious about its protective qualities. The only thing I know about it for a fact is that its armour plating is about as thick as that of a modern-day tank due to angling and thickness.

[@icampexfils3637]

I came up with similer numbers for my low ball estimate. But I'm willing to bet that adamantium is a bit tougher then straight steel. So if you replaced the calcs for steel with Depleted Uranium which is a modern day "Super metal" used in both tank armor and armor piercing rounds you get numbers around 1.5 to 1.75× higher then steel. This in my opinion would be a more accurate calculation. Also as seen in youtube project "Astartes" and books from the Heresy novels they are easly capable of dodging slower moving projectiles like rps.

[@tafaragadze6432]

So the typical space marine is about as well armoured as the weakest tank.... that's still a plus in my book. Takes an RPG to take you down and I doubt entire squads will be equipped with them or equivelant

[@MarcusVance]

A number of modern squads are often set up with a recoilless rifle

[@Dakooties]

Let's not forget that a fully armored space marine is not only far faster than any human has any right to be but is also able to get over most terrain with relative ease.

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Well their bolter is like a RPG + ak-47 to created a boltgun, right ?

[@NeoSlimey]

Listen, these guys can't be THAT tough. They're only 3/2s.

[@alexrhinehart9604]

I'd also like to point out that in the description for a set of spartan armor, if it was ever fully developed, would make a spartan equivalent to a scorpion tank.

[@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552]

Spartan are weak af

[@Tony-sx3nf]

@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 lol no

[@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552]

@@Tony-sx3nf yes there are do your research master chief got clap by alorx

[@Tony-sx3nf]

@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 "atriox" also you have to be pretty stupid to believe that by losing against a brute that uses a power armor the MC is automatically weak XD

[@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552]

@@Tony-sx3nf dude do your research okay so are using name guys ? Then okay Dante, asterion moloc , kaldor draigo, Argel tal Abaddon would bend master chief over , should I keep going ?

[@NastyStankyChicken]

I think you're forgetting the fact that adamantium is the strongest material known to man, other then Auramite. I don't think you can correlate regular steel to it when it's vastly superior... Hell there's been instances of marines tanking lascannon shots.

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

You right

[@moonamir9708]

Pretty sure that they were wearing a plot Armor at that time.

[@kanaanhemmati9478]

But you forgot to mention another armor space marines wear it's called the mighty and unbreakable plot armor This type of armor is mostly used by abadon,named characters like commander dante and basically all of the Ultramarines (i guess guiliman just spend the imperial citizens tax money on producing enough amount of that armor for his sons) jokes aside thou the only person i really want it's plot to be removed from is abadon because he's armor is to broken even for it's class i mean can you even compere taking hit from a atom splitting huge ass sword right to the chest to a 120mm apfsds round?i don't think so!

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

What are you thinking about the plot armor ?

[@zackcook5123]

I really like this kind of analysis, it's based on a fair comparison of canon material and good old logic. So here's a question: What sort of weapons should a space marine or Spartan like super soldier use?

[@polskipolak9073]

Long range, Hard hitting, High Velocity

[@MarcusVance]

Really depends on their mission. Battling Frontline infantry would be different than stealth would be different than anti-armor would be different than intelligence gathering would be different than inducing fear. With handheld weapons, there's a pattern of cops and basic soldiers carrying weapons that can't defeat their own body armor. This is an expense thing, and also prevents you from getting shot if an enemy takes your primary. That's the baseline, but there are heavy weapons beyond that. If I were designing a set of powered armor, I'd have an integrated system that can defeat armor as heavy as mine, or heavier. Guided mini-rockets would work well. And additionally handheld weapons. It's pretty convenient in Halo to pick up whatever gun you need from around places. Which brings up an interesting idea... An opposing military making the grips/finger guards of their guns as small as possible so enemy super soldiers can't use them.

[@DCstroller]

@@MarcusVance that or, since we’re talking sci fi, bio markers that key to the individual. In 40k though that doesn’t matter because using Xenos weapons would be heresy, that and if you tried to use a Tyranid weapon it would probably try to eat you

[@dragonsaint9446]

​@@MarcusVance That is actually a thing, kind of! At least in the Deathwatch/Dark Heresy RPG, Space Marines outright cannot use non-Astartes ranged weapons while in their power armour, and even if fighting without the armour they have to take time to remove or break off parts like trigger guards or stocks, this applies to alien as well as human weapons. On the other hand unaugmented humans and equivalent aliens struggle to use Astartes gear because of the size, weight, recoil, and sometimes even design, a plasma vent that wouldn't even register as potentially dangerous to an armoured Marine can be life threatening to normal humans if they try and use the weapon. Normal humans can use Space Marine pistol class weapons as rifle class weapons, and rifle class weapons like heavy weapons, always with a penalty, however Space Marine heavy weapons are a straight up no go for anyone not on their level of strength like Ork Nobs, unless used in a mounted role eg There are a couple of sources that describe the sponson/turret guns of various tanks as being the same basic model as Space Marine heavy bolters, just a different pattern (Though other sources disagree, I'm not sure what is currently canon)

[@jonasgompel5592]

@@DCstroller You literally cannot fire a Weapon Biomorph if you have no psychic link to it. And it needs to be alive. I think Cryptman tried controlling swarms of gaunts with some induced signals, and it worked like a synapse. So If you had an alive Ranged Biomorph like a Barbed Strangler, you could try to psychicly or through homones shoot it.

[@KnIf0rTITAN]

Space Marine eye lenses are made of a material call "armor glass" not bulletproof glass but a material that is a hardened synthetic diamond material.... the only other see threw armored material in 40k lore that i know of is "transpara steel" that is basically what it sounds like but is mostly used in civilian construction. In short to penetrate a Astartes eye lenses you would need something far more nasty then anything a normal gun or rifle would fire but some of the more powerful normal human portable weapons, for example a 40k Lasgun is far more powerful then any normal rifle today and the standard anti-power armor tactic when armed with such a weapon is indeed to aim for the eyes but not to really do damage or kill but essentially to use the laser to temporarily blind them while you bring up more powerful weapons. Also note that Power Armor is not only the plate on the outside but there is a artificial polymer under suit hat in itself is highly protective but whos main job is to link the armor to the body of the Astartes in it.

[@themanoffate]

Now you have me questioning how strong space marine terminator armour is

[@ak0097]

It's thicker then normal marine armor. So.... you do the math on that

[@Breakingfasst88]

So essentialy they are still walking tanks? Got it

[@V3RTIGO222]

I will say that HEAT warheads effectively use a plasma jet to achieve penetration of tank armor, so I don't think that the combination of ceramic/alloy plates would be as easily cut through as steel seeing as they are better suited to defeating thermal energy weapons that effectively use the same method to defeat armor... by melting it. Additionally HEAT is relatively easily defeated by spaced armor etc. where insulation or other means interfere with the conic stream of plasma.

[@enoughfafwa]

I am a simple man. I see Space Marines, I give thumbs up

[@DCstroller]

Hey Marcus, you did a lot of research here, communicated it well and it shows. Thanks so much I’m gonna share this around

[@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552]

Haha he wrong 😂

[@MarcusVance]

@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 How so?

[@DCstroller]

@@MarcusVance I will say, things get a bit more interesting if you start to look at the iron halo though. I mean if you’re gonna give Spartans an energy shield then the iron halo would balance it out.

[@DCstroller]

Also need to keep in mind the sturdiness of the marine wearing the armor. These guys have crazy healing factors, 3 lungs, 2 hearts and a fused rib cage and that’s just the tip of the iceberg

[@ak0097]

@@DCstroller they have a scarring factor. The wound SCARS over in a instant. They don't have healing factors like wolverine or deadpool where they is no scar left behind

[@stephenwood6663]

In the Dark Vengeance novella, cultist champion Anarkus manages to rip out the throat of a Marine with nothing more than a scissorhand. I find myself questioning your assessment that it's comparable to modern level-3 body-armour: whatever the neck-joint is made of, it's evidently not capable of withstanding the equivalent of a determined attack with knives.

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Well the space marine armo is 100% made of ceramite, adamatium and plasteel, or we can too say the ceramite is a ceramite hardened

[@nguyenp.nguyen7896]

You did not mention what steel is used in the comparison. The penetration on the other hand is calculated in RHA whichs is an armored steel. Even if they don’t penetrate they can still weaken the armor, especially armors made of brittle materials like ceramic (likely the case with ceramite)

[@BewareTheCarpenter]

The lore is VERY inconsistent. Ex: Power armor is listed at being about 180kg and terminator armor at 4kg. If a space marine can lift 5-6 tonnes, that's like giving a man who can lift 50-60 kg armor that only weighs 2kg. Given that there's a lot of things that can penetrate that armor I think any sane marine would be asking for thicker armor.

[@timbomb374]

And then there's the guys that go around not wearing their bloody helmet.

[@jackb4569]

I always liked the armour mechanic of the game space marine where the armour had a sort of limited energy shield around it, which once depleted, meant the actual space marine armour was taking the brunt of the damage. It also made the back pack seem more integral to the suit by powering the shield. I have no idea if this is cannon at all but it makes perfect sense to me.

[@abysswatcherbutibitethedus872]

that sounds like an iron halo at work which is a separate gear to the armour only available to esteemed marines

[@RkKoori]

Idk why but the zoom in on the pig killed me xD

[@pepperbird67657]

Warhammer 40k fans can see the strengths of super soldier power armor. But van they see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[@glacyitefreez4929]

asking the real questions

[@Azrael178]

So... Basically realistically speaking immune to anything not designed to take out tanks, but on a human

[@GiRR007]

Yeah, an rpg to the front taking one down sounds about right.

[@johnShadow12]

a normal modren rpg no it wount do much the rpgs of 40k are not rpgs they are alot higher heat on impact then modren ones as well they have armor piecing rockets. so i summery no modren weapon no future weapon yes.

[@GiRR007]

@@johnShadow12 YEs modern weapon would be able to get through that armor, you underestimate modern rpgs.

[@Dautar748]

those armor penetration values are WAY off plus there isnt a single steel, there thousands of different types of steels

[@Loansshark]

Did this man just say the ammo used by an auto cannon is equivalent to 7.62

[@MarcusVance]

"Autogun"

[@pablosgaming8793]

Lelith takes them down with a dagger. Probably going for those weak points too.

[@juhel5531]

Spacemarines will either beat you with superior firepower and armor from afar or if they lose in a gunfight will then proceed to stalk in close enough to sprint towards their enemies at 50-55mph and force melee.

[@ManxofxPIe]

Not to throw shade at your video because it's really well put together and thought out (I love all your vids ❤️) But you kinda also have to factor in that space marine's black carapace is also an extra layer of armor that needs to be penetrated (admittedly won't be too effective against the big examples you gave like rpgs) Space marine armor also varies alot whether you look at horus heresy mark 1-6 power armors, Firstborn 41st millenia armor or primaris armor. MOST of the "modern" space marine armors are curved which also aids in projectile deflection (mark 3 armor is very flat and crude so I wouldn't count this one for example but primaris seem to hair alot of curves) Layering also helps with these armor sets as the bullet has more chances to fragment and dissipate the force (again not super relevant for rpgs and javelins) All space marines are also super drilled and speedy for walking tanks allowing them to rarely be attacked in these weakpoints unless taken by suprise or sheer volume of fire. (Unless you are leman russ or angron's lads then you can get fucked) Do know that I just wanna engage in conversation about this topic because I am a nerd and love 40k. No hate for anyone who disagrees with anything i said because honestly you are probably right.

[@finnishfatman]

Those things are left out because of certain bias away from 40k, sadly. It's a scifi sure and you can't really compare things realistically, but since people have bias nearly all the time, it's sad to see that in videos such as these. More objective approach with much more back ground info would be more fun to watch.

[@starhammer5247]

It's more that the Black Carapace was just sort of a non-factor and that it doesn't protect everything. In a relatively recent book, there was an excerpt where a Space Marine died to an ordinary man with a wooden spear. It tore open his throat because he wasn't wearing a helmet. The Black Carapace only defends the torso, thighs and upper arms.

[@ak0097]

Hey guys, what do you think the joints if a space marine are? ITS THE BLACK CARAPACE

[@starhammer5247]

@@ak0097 What the fuck!? NO! That's not the Black Carapace! The Black Carapace is a subdermal implant underneath the Astartes skin that covers the thighs, biceps, and torso. So unless you're telling me that the Space Marines skin themselves every time they put on their power armour, I have to call bullshit. That's just the under-layer of the armour. NOT the Black Carapace.

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@starhammer5247 why you say the black carapace can't protect everything if this thing can really protect a little bit everything ?, i mean he can protect you from a pisto laser shot in the chest right?, you see what i mean ? 🤷

[@nathanchen2824]

What about spartan armor from halo? I watched this video after the other short comparing spartans and space marines cuz I wanted a good comparison between the armors

[@picklejho69]

Cursed Pig is cursed. My brother lives on a street called Hexham. We call it CursedPig for a joke.

[@TheNukeMuffin]

Pretty sure Chief's ridiculous luck would be seen as some psyker bullshit in 40k.

[@harrisongatha5425]

The fact you compared Spartans to space marines is just ridiculous. I don’t want to hate but space marines are so well trained and are off the charts to think they are merely human. A rpg may peirce the amour but is the spartan armed with an rpg and magic comes to a factor and even if they had an rpg. Let’s not forget they are fucking space marines they could take an rpg and be fine. These guys are huge. They also are protected by our emperor. To think that they also have to reflex’s to pretty much dodge a tank round. I think that a good match up is one vs Darth Vader. A spartan 2 has no chance. The space marines are half god. The Bolter is a Mimi rpg and would go through space marine armour. I think just from the speed the bolter would peirce their amour. This shouldn’t be a debate warhammer is far superior to anything like halo.

[@clementbianchini8651]

A missile or artillery shell won't do much unless there is a direct hit because Space Marine armor is highly resistant to explosive damage and need high penetrating ammo to be taken down, in numerous sources including "the mark of Calth" we see space marines being send ragdoll by a standard imperial 132mm artillery shell and just get back on their feet. So a missile won't do much if it land beside them. Moreover, a tank shell or rocket might not work either because the marine is lighter than a proper vehicle and would be pushed aside by the round that would bounce or their breastplate or not face enough resistance to be triggered. Anyway, armor piercing bolt, autocannon rounds and sniper rifles/rail guns are the most likely ballistic weapons capable of overwhelming the power armor resistance

[@altechelghanforever9906]

132mm is standard for the imperium? That's a weird downgrade since the US Army uses 155mm as standard.

[@clementbianchini8651]

@@altechelghanforever9906 the Earthshaker cannon which is also used for Basilisk self propelled artillery is a 132mm cannon so yes It might be the standard caliber for Leman Russ battle cannon too but I am not so sure about that one

[@calmora8422]

Even if everything u said here is correct the Spartans always lose coz if it comes down to it they only got Spartans and if they pose enough of a challenge the space marines would just tell their psykers to handle it as halo has nothing that would defend them against the warp. Or if they unlucky and they bump into a primarch but those guys are another story. Gw went all out making the primarchs pretty much unbeatable

[@nitokagaminen9660]

i bet terra marine can kill space marine just by 1 bullet just remember their armor can be cut through by chain sword. lmao

[@mr.tweaty]

I really don’t think the armor gets that thick considering how light it can be Edit: that and the fact a standard bolted can kill them

[@saipranavpalla1467]

What about the custodes

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

How would you compare space marine armor to tank armor we have today?

[@JsphCrrll]

Tanks are made of steel and in some cases depleted uranium armor plates. Some have titanium carbide plates. Depleted uranium being the stronger of the 3, and if I had to guess the space marine ceramite has a similar density to that of depleted uranium. And for reference depleted uranium is stated to be 2½ times more dense than steel.

[@whiteeye3453]

once again you are using only one source so dont' compare space marines to ground soldier because they are not and did you ever watched video that j linked in your description ?

[@MarcusVance]

Multiple sources are mentioned in this video.

[@whiteeye3453]

@@MarcusVance wich is ?

[@MarcusVance]

Mentioned in the video...

[@whiteeye3453]

@@MarcusVance no you only make some sources not all of them and again you using source to make space marines weaker becaouse even tank or rpg can not penetrate ceramite armor

[@whiteeye3453]

@@MarcusVance so why don't you stop talking abaut 40k if you are so snobish abaut how weak they are

[@hadesdogs4366]

Yeh you’re pretty much on the money considering that even tau pulse carbines if on the low to even mid range can barely chip the paint, vs say a plasma repeater and again they are extremely durable and not to mention the monster inside said armor which is why they seem OP when compared to other universes but considering that the UNSC isn’t dealing with say tyranids where a 7.62 AP would barely harm a Tyranid warrior, vs say a bolter, and as for the humble lasgun, most of the enemy’s humanity faces is either angry civilians armed with a rag and a wrench at best or at worst chaos cultists, where they have modern lv3 flack armor, where even a glancing hit can cause significant damage where even things like karapace armor is barely capable of stopping a lasbolt. And when a rifle as powerful as the lasgun when compared to say modern firearms, the lasgun would destroy any modern weapon instantly be it, ammunition count, ease of production, weight, accuracy, reliability, range, ease of ammunition procurement ie plug it into the wall or in the back of a chimera if not even a fire would work, and the only real problem with the lasgun is it’s user, and again for an intergalactic army, where the average joe is expected to last in the minutes, the lasgun is far superior to any other sci fi weapon that is reasonable outside the 40K universe, ie the DC15a, MCA5 assault rifle or even the tau plasma rifle, where again for an army the lasgun is adequate enough to deal with most opponents outside of the heaviest of enemies where again if one lasgun fails then ten more should do the job and with a thousand rounds of ammunition and ten thousand rounds before the gun needs a new focusing lense isn’t too bad, and if the enemy is more durable or less organic then things like autoguns do exist and can be used, but the typical squad also carry’s a specialized weapon, be it a flamethrower, plasma gun, melta gun or grenade launcher adding extra punch to a squad that has ten thousand rounds in total and a further 30,000 rounds of ammunition and four grenades, two frack and two crack grenades. And if needed a bayonet to boot.

[@PVT900]

A good note on lasguns is that there is a big metric drift in power levels from the guns being able to shoot overcharged shots to energy packs that pump energy at a higher output. On top of that hellguns and big multilasers and good at defeating Power Armor by eventually depleting the plating through sheer quantity/duration rather than precise high powered shots placed at a more Human rate of fire. But even those take time to breach the armor and even a miniscule amt of time can mean life or death when it comes to 40k.

[@PVT900]

A good excerpt is so: > The rest of Mericus’ men opened fire. Three lasguns burned the paint off the armour of the other traitor. He dropped to one knee unconcernedly, drawing his bolt pistol. Hanspire exploded, his torso reduced to red mist and flying fragments of bone. Another round tore through Morio’s shoulder, spanking off a wall further down the tunnel without detonating. > Through all this Jonno knelt motionlessly, his rifle sight to his eye. Mericus felt guilty for teasing the little man. What Jonno lacked in stature and brains, he more than made up for in courage. > The Night Lord levelled his gun at him, but Jonno got there first. He fired a single shot. A wisp of smoke curled from the Night Lord’s shattered helm lens and he toppled dead into the water Lasguns while lacking penetrative power against the main spots of the armor do damage vital weak points like lenses and joints but the common issue is usually the knowledge and ability of the users. Which is often lacking when it compares to a Space Marine. Now there is some question as to the durability of space marines as discussed previously but the excerpt does show how well placed shots from Las guns *can* defeat armor, the ability to make said shots is limited. However quantity is a good alternative, someone will get lucky :)

[@kierannicholas7231]

isnt ceramite heat resistant though like ceramics of real life ? so the rpg wouldnt be as effective

[@johnacetable7201]

About space marines being op. No they're not overpowered, but on your level it's like bringing minigun to knife fight. They are marines, elite of the army, compared to other forces of humanity, namely, - astra militarum there are hardly any spacemarines. As marines they are ment to go into toughest battles galaxy has to offer. And the galaxy is very, very cruel. And the last one, were there OP things in history ? Oh yes, there were! Namely: metal, language, fire, tools, if you want there to be less op things stop sucking and or leave such overpowered thing as hygiene behind, It's not like a videogame where you have to be able to win at the end, Warhammer is more of a setting, - grimdark medieval sci-fi future

[@apache-0verkill]

Still takes wounds without armor save😂

[@madslayer4197]

This is all operating under the consensus that a space marines adamantium is equivalent to steel. Different books contradict each other.

[@MarcusVance]

This is operating under the specific strength given in Imperial Armor volume 2, and corroborated in multiple books.

[@madslayer4197]

@@MarcusVance I just thought you took from one book. Since warhammer contradicts depending on which book it's difficult to find a baseline. That's all

[@madslayer4197]

@@MarcusVance like there was a statment(I can't remember where) that astartes armor was comparable to titanium. So I don't know

[@MarcusVance]

I try to make a composite of all the info I can find

[@madslayer4197]

@@MarcusVance fair

[@bernardoganzerla7626]

Could you talk about the custodes to?

[@MarcusVance]

There's not much raw information on them, aside from "they're better in every way because reasons."

[@bernardoganzerla7626]

@@MarcusVance I didint know, ok then no banana bois

[@Nook772]

man, space marines ain't even the strongest soldiers in 40k

[@Supha123]

You should do one comparing custodian power armor lol and also like how you gonna aim at the man and hit a lighter part of the armor while hes chraging you at like 40 mph while shooting his bolter at you

[@TheCompleteMental]

Play it safe and hit him with an rpg

[@setaripantheon8801]

And this is why the stats on the Autocanon in WH40k is ridiculous...!

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

What Autocannon are ridiculous in wh40k ?

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

I mean yeah the autocannon are ridiculously powerfull but what autocannon are you talking about ?, the reaper ?

[@Joshmsu45]

What about if the marine is equipped with an iron halo.

[@starhammer5247]

Then it changes from dealing with your average marine to a veteran of many conflicts.

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@starhammer5247 what fan are you actually ??? A wh40k or a another fan from a another univers ??

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@starhammer5247 just for know

[@TgamerBio5529]

Can a blaster bolt from Star Wars go through space marine power armour since plasma weapons in lore are capable of puting down a space marine from Warhammer 40k? So a soldier with a rpg or tank gun would still penetrate a space marine 😂😂😂 not soo overpowered now

[@Sollapoke]

Aye just remember they also running at like 40kmph and compared to a tank they aren’t exactly a big target so good luck hitting them 👍

[@DarkGrottan]

90 kph...

[@inquisitormaddox8581]

If we are to use bolters as an example the biggest a .998 aka basically a 25MM is rounded down but we know 65 cal/ 15mm unification and early crusade era bolters are not very effective against current fist born mk7 space marine armor Multiple I dare say a little as 5 rounds from a 25mm might be enough to incapacitate a space marine if they hit all or most these weak points So theoretically a Bradley or LAV25 should be capable of killing a space marine but space marines usually work in squads and have their own anti tank weapons and other crap

[@bloodangel19]

Problem with shooting space marines is that they are very quick and agile. So aside from the fact that you have to shoot a tank, that tank is zigging and zagging around the battlefield

[@inquisitormaddox8581]

@@bloodangel19 this is true

[@MarcusVance]

@@bloodangel19 Ehh. They are faster than humans, but there is very little in their creation that supports being *that* fast. Lore has mentioned it a time or two, but given that the devs, authors, and editors say every piece of lore is unreliable narration, I doubt it's "true" in the setting.

[@bloodangel19]

@@MarcusVance i don't mean they can doge bullets, but a moving targget is harder to hit.

[@psychicmane7636]

@@MarcusVance Some books has space marine moving at 35-40 miles per hour, while others had them clocking in at 50-60 miles per hour. I personally think they can sprint at 50-55 MPH at the very least. A space marine could get a ticket on a highway with his speed their reaction time is good enough to dodge bolter fire they effectively use shoulder plates like a shield what are you talking abou

[@J_Warral]

Surprisingly reasonable analysis. _slams Like and Subscribe buttons_ I like how you look into various fighting vehicle cannons and heavy machine guns, because that's pretty much how it works in the universe - yes, despite all the simplicity of the tabletop, GW does (more or less) try to maintain some consistency of various weapons and their roles. Autocannons have better armour penetration than Multilasers (fast-firing lasgun cannons, basically) and effect on target past armor.

[@zaho87]

What about Terminator armor?

[@saifulbrine2391]

U forgot that space marine skin is very much like the ceramite itself

[@ak0097]

No it isn't, space marine skin can be pierced by modern day buckshot rounds from a shotgun

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@ak0097 well the fact of the space marine was proved by bullets prove, because the space marine can have black carapace in thier body or we can say the space marine don't have pain that mean you stabbed a knife in his stomach and he will feel nothing but they can die if he lost his two heart or the breathing or his brain, same if you cut his arms he will feel nothing that did not hurt him at all, that mean the space marine have better durability without armor or with armor except the Necrons, the necrons are the best durability in the wh40k universe you can also ripped the necron in half and he will still fighting like a zombie or if you destroy him he will just come back after 1 minutes or 2, also we can say the necron are more unstoppable machine than we think

[@Wodferd]

The armors links themselves aren't that durable (at least in 30k) In Slave of Nuceria an "army" of unarmed abhumans push back the World Eaters (pre-nails) but literally throwing themselves at them, and drowning them in bodies until they can get their hands on their helmets or joints and physically break the seals by hauling off their helmets to get at their eyes and necks. The book also gives zero indication that the people are super humanly strong or genetically enhanced to the point of being strong than normal humans.

[@australianmasterchief]

Who would win in a fight, 40k, star wars, or the halo universe?

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Warhammer40k, not because they have space marine, because they have guardsmen, ork, necron, eldar and dark eldar, chaos and demon, Tyranids, Tau and kroots, but i can't explain all of them because its will to much longer for me to explain all of them but you can tell me one of them what are they, like what are the ork ?, you see what i mean ?

[@Pepsi-Mann21]

Current universes or the universes at their prime?

[@australianmasterchief]

@@Pepsi-Mann21 prime

[@Pepsi-Mann21]

@@australianmasterchief Does legends and other noncanon stuff count for star wars?

[@australianmasterchief]

@@Pepsi-Mann21 no, but the holdron maneuver is allowed

[@alexrhinehart9604]

The more of these videos i watch, the more i think how space marines arnt that amazing. Sure, they would absolutly body any modern military, assuming we didnt use a bunch of rockets, but compared to other supersoldiers, an astartes space marine is not worth the time and effort needed to create one.

[@MarcusVance]

The Martian Marines from The Expanse aren't even super soldiers (although that's up for debate since they're from Mars, but train in Earth gravity... So they're super soldiers for them) and their Goliath armor could stomp both Space Marines and Spartans easily.

[@bloodangel19]

@@MarcusVance how would they do against custodes?

[@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552]

@@MarcusVance no they can’t you got rare armour and gray knights armour

[@MarcusVance]

@@bloodangel19 We don't really have enough raw information on how skilled/strong/protected Custodes are However Martian Marines could see them from kilometers away through walls, and send smart missiles at them from every angle. If it got to melee, it'd likely go to the Custodes. But I doubt it could get that close easily.

[@MarcusVance]

@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 Grey Knights predominantly have Terminator armor. That's made of the same stuff mentioned in the video, but thicker (although with an Adamantium exoskeleton instead of plates-so likely less protected than if the same area had equivalent sized plates, but still more protective than regular power armor). I doubt it's twice as thick as Space Marine armor (definitely doesn't look like 30 inches), so a modern RPG would be fine. Martian Marines have an advanced RPG beyond our current capabilities.

[@Skitch213]

From the moment he started comparing magic space metal that we know next to nothing about to steel, this analysis became moot. Adamantium for example, in X-Men the magic metal is literally indestructible... But in 40K I'm expected to believe it has the same properties as steel? Nah fam. I don't buy it.

[@fedefyr]

381 mm thick? Are you sure about that? Thats the length of a mans lower arm...your math is way off... 126mm is just shy of a soda cans length...

[@MarcusVance]

The materials in Space Marine armor equal about 3x the thickness of steel in some reinforced places. I calculate their pauldrons to be about 5 inches thick. 5x3 is 15 inches, or 381mm.

[@fedefyr]

@@MarcusVance which would still be 126 mm thick, which is way too much. The pauldrons themselves are hollow shells over an inner part with dampeners. Realistically they'd be 10-15 mm thick, with a thicker trim area

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@MarcusVance did you realise when you say 381 mm about the armor of space marine or the space marine pauldrons make me thinking he can survvie to a abram tank because they shell can do 120mm and not 400 mm or the kv2 can do 152 mm of his shell and not 450 mm ...did im wrong or not ?

[@worf6715]

I think it should be kept in mind that Astartes, for most chapters at least, are highly valued and aren't going to just run at gun emplacements. Yes, a lucky shot will kill one if it hits the eyes/neck, but they have exceptional perception and faster reflexes which are directly linked with their armor, like a Spartan. They have dreadnoughts, Baneblades, and such for when they need reliable defense. They're still infantry. 🤷

[@dhwwiiexpert]

It is the *BAAAAAAAAANNEEEEBLAAAAADDDEEE!*

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Baneblade is a fuc**ng dangerous tank, you have no idea how much what the Baneblade can do , i swear

[@worf6715]

@@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908 I'm very much aware of what a Baneblade can do. The best defense is not having anything left to defend against after your guns stop firing.

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@worf6715 oh well good to know that

[@mateuszw2124]

What about terminator armor or gravis

[@matthewhall7976]

I was thumbs up/like number 76..👍❤️👍

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Ok actually i understand this and i guess i would respected your video, you did a good job😅

[@Oberscharfuhrer_Schrodinger]

I don't personally believe our modern weapons today would do much against a single Space marine as you've got to see the point that they can run faster than tanks can move while carrying heavy Ass equipment faster than wearing power armour in fallout and with everything that's happening on the Battlefield it's basically Slow Motion so to even hit a Space Marine with anything would be a challenge unless it's homing on u constantly also you'd need to take into account not every space Marine armor is the same for every chapter and Terminator armor exists in their universe so that's another thing to take into consideration including Dreadnoughts and Titans not even our most powerful nukes would do anything to a Titan maybe Dent it.. XD but we're discussing the standard Space Marine here so everyone is entitled to their opinion

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

yeah but like he said, they can still be hit, he actually shows evidence, heck even slugthrowers or our weapon are still in use and can kill a space marine, even orkz have the most weirdest and strangest weapons that are not lasers but slugthrowers and they can kill spacemarines. Also on the titan, it was actually shown that with a few well placed explosives, they can be brought down, that is the downside to them, they are so big and heavy they cannot even move once they are down, this was even shown in the horus heresy, I forgot the novel so sorry on my part, where an imperial regiment did this and it was amazing.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

heck there was even a humiliating death in that era where a space marine died to a wooden stick, so yeah, -The Chaplain sensed Argel Tal’s recalcitrance. It was hard not to. ‘You are angry with me.’ "Of course I am angry with you. I have five hundred warriors that haven’t seen a Chaplain from their own Legion in almost a year. You were many months overdue, fighting with the Iron Warriors. Oros, Damane and Malaki are also still with Perturabo’s lesser fleets, furthering the conspiracy.’ He sneered through the word. ‘What of Sar Fareth?" "Dead." "What?" "Killed ten months ago, shortly after you left. Slain by a human, of all things. An unlucky thrust with a wooden spear.’ Argel Tal tapped two fingertips against his neck. ‘Tore out most of his throat, laid it bare to the bone. I’ve never seen anything like it. Blood of the gods, I’d have laughed if it hadn’t been so pathetically tragic. He bled out before the Apothecaries could reach him, still trying to shout the whole time." "What happened to his killer?’, Argel Tal had seen it himself. Sar Fareth had gripped the human’s shoulder and leg, and pulled. The result came away in three bloody pieces before the Chaplain died. "Justice happened." Xaphen released a breath that wasn’t quite a sigh. Sar Fareth had been one of his own: trained by his hand to wield a crozius in Lorgar’s name.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

and like the video said, the neck is one of the most vulnerable parts and even though it is still covered by half an armor of lesser tank we have, it still pierced by a wooden stick ahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha

[@Ashen_Night116]

@@tc-channelhobby4051 A bevel doesn't completely protect your neck, and the Black Carapace protects the torso, arms, and thighs. Also, a standard thing that Astartes do, is not wear their helmets when in danger.

[@tc-channelhobby4051]

@@Ashen_Night116 yeah which makes it even more funny, i know they want to be effective and seen as demigods but come on, even goddamn orks with guns like ours can kill them, anti armor or not be damned.

[@nobleman9393]

Sounds reasonable.

[@merouanebelaroussi9706]

FIIINE!! You win! What is the deal with that Piggy? Did your kid make it for fathersday or somthing ??

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

Wowowowowow how can a rpg can do 750 mm ??? He can't do 750 ? He can do 650 mm , he are not even have material percing armor, i mean he can't penetrate a m1 abram tank and then the frontal armor of the m1 abram thickness is 350 mm, DUDE 350 MM !!!

[@MarcusVance]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PG-7VR

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@MarcusVance oh .....this rocket ?

[@ak0097]

So funny seeing all the buttermilk Bobs basically saying "NOOOO REEEEE YOURE WRONG SPASHE MAWRINES ARE THE BESTEST AND NO ONE FROM ANY OTHER UNIVERSE CAN KILL THEM REEEEEE"

[@carlosblanco571]

Np you wrong stupid

[@MarcusVance]

Ooh, adding more words.

[@carlosblanco571]

@@MarcusVance you add word stupid

[@mansoloraphyblacktemplar5908]

@@MarcusVance .......what happening ???

[@LongCaster_]

So. In other words. A spartan can indeed defeat a space marine. Good to know

[@MarcusVance]

If they aim at obvious weak points, yes.

[@wasdwazd]

@@MarcusVance It's like fighting a Hunter, just one that's a lot faster and smarter.

[@starhammer5247]

@@wasdwazd One with similar capabilities to a Spartan would be more accurate. Though it should be mentioned that the MA5 has the same penetrative power as a lasgun, only it isn't an energy weapon, so it would work against ceramite better.

[@ayoutubeaccount7273]

Weak

[@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552]

You don’t know know anything

[@foff3804]

Lol marine armor can be defeated by an infantry squad with lasguns (aka flashlights). Can anyone site an example of a rl tank's armor being defeated by a squad's worth of rifle fire?