How Transit Layering Creates a Great Waterfront for Toronto

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[@stevenvallarsa1765]

It's fantastic to see Toronto doing the right things about transit. It's not perfect, but it is such an improvement from what it was like in the 1980's when I lived in the city.

[@RMTransit]

I agree, often I feel progress is more important than actual position!

[@gregormonkey]

The thing I'm impressed by is how this has all managed to come to be despite massive opposition from local governments and even outright cancellation of several major projects. It's pretty great to see these improvements come into place, and it can be better still. Now if only we could find ways to cut down on the years of construction in between...

[@TheUrbanGaze]

I'm currently visiting Copenhagen and Malmo on a school trip, and right as this video is being published, we are visiting the West Harbor area of Malmo, which my lecturer considers the best in the world at green transportation and mobility. The waterfront is foot only, and is separated from the rest of the city, so it's quiet. The area is actually spawning two videos of my own, I'm gonna try starting my own urban planning channel: one about BRT and one about blue space.

[@RMTransit]

Cool! I love Malmo, and I think the rail link to Copenhagen and how it has really turned them into one urban area fascinating!

[@Mgameing123]

Kinda triggers me how ur saying Malmo and not Malmø or Malmö but fair enough when its not even on ur keyboard

[@alfredsaalo1441]

Interesting. I should definitely plan a trip to Malmö, it's not too far from Stockholm afterall. It would be nice with a pedestrian/bikepath on Öresundsbron- great for tourists and commuters.

[@AnotherDuck]

@@alfredsaalo1441 Not much in Sweden is that far, unless you travel the entire length of the country. YMMV, though.

[@ryan3423]

@@RMTransit can we do a Malmö video

[@WilliamChan]

That's a great point about making the ferries Presto compatible. Also happy to have more underground Path connections south of Union station coming on the horizon. Those are really nice to have in the colder months

[@RMTransit]

Yeah I think it's silly our transport card can't be used for all transpo services!

[@TheTroyc1982]

the Ferries used to be run by the TTC and used the same fare as the rest of the TTC.

[@joermnyc]

@@RMTransit my last visit to Seattle, the ferry to West Seattle accepted the Orca card, they used handheld readers as people boarded, so it was pretty easy.

[@jailenmodi2364]

@@RMTransit have you done a video on the PATH network itself yet? im a massive fan of it and would love to help create that video if possible, i know a lot of PATH lore 😅

[@curtismelnick8356]

The waterfront boats in Geneva are financially integrated into their transit system, so the same fare ticket for the tram, bus and train also works with the boats.

[@RMTransit]

Yeah, people underappreciate the Swiss boat transport!

[@mastersingleton]

A great example of a great waterfront with great transit layering is Circular Quay in Sydney, Australia served by various Bus, Train, Light Rail, Ferry, Cruise Ship, and Ocean Liner services; along with a highly walk-able and bike-able waterfront. The NSW Government is currently investing in improving the Circular Quay waterfront with a big urban renewal and streetscape improvement project.

[@heidirabenau511]

Toronto's waterfront looks and sounds like something that could be found in Europe, which is great to see!

[@RMTransit]

Yeah! Toronto for it's faults has some nice parts too

[@adithyaramachandran7427]

The Hoboken waterfront is a transit user's paradise. You have subway, regional rail, light rail, bikeshare, buses, and ferries.

[@RMTransit]

Yeah it's also very good!

[@kelvincao8359]

509 is my favourite streetcar route. Efficient, useful, beautiful view and most of the time reliable. I live in Fort York, this single route easily makes me to choose public transit to get around downtown even though I have a car

[@meadowrosepony9609]

I liked how you demonstrated that streetcar tracks can end up being blocked by cars if the pavement looks too similar. Grass or other ground cover would be way less confusing and prettier too!

[@gordnyc]

I love the pedestrian tunnel to/from Billy Bishop, and extending it to allow walking access directly to the rest of the island would be awesome!!!

[@kevwwong]

I'm not sure that can happen, for security reasons.

[@gordnyc]

@@kevwwong The tunnel is outside the security perimeter. But if you mean in terms of having the tunnel run *under* the runway, yeah, I can see how that could be potentially problematic.

[@kevwwong]

@@gordnyc That's exactly what I mean. Looking at a map, I can't see how they can connect the tunnel to Hanlan's Point or elsewhere without going under the runway. If they can find something that works though, I'd be all for it.

[@matthumphries]

One non-transit issue related to the waterfront not mentioned is the number of condos that are present and continuing to be built along the shoreline. Not only does this obstruct the view of the water when looking southward, but it has the effect of warming the city by preventing the natural wind that comes in from Lake Ontario reaching further inland. Going down to the waterfront is great on a summer day because it's so windy - if only the buildings didn't prevent that same benefit from reaching further north.

[@arferbargel]

One of the real failings of our waterfront is that if you're more than a block away from it, you are very unlikely to know it's even there. Despite being a port city on a gigantic inland sea, Toronto really doesn't feel like it.

[@gabrielle.s1896]

@@arferbargel this is such a great point!!! i just moved here and i swear you don't even realise there's a lake until you're standing next to it. it's slightly disappointing.

[@TheLiamster]

I’d be very interested in seeing a video about the Gardiner Expressway and the proposals to reconfigure it for transit oriented development

[@Plentopic]

i wish Toronto used its waterfront better in areas west beyond Exhibition. Lakeshore Road is a massive physical barrier (why do we have a huge 6 lane road running parallel to the Gardiner?), there are no transit options nor shops/food options, and it gets worse as you get farther west. Marilyn Bell park is so nice but it could stand to be more accessible

[@danishrusdi]

Now that is quite similar to the upcoming connection of Singapore's East Coast Park with Stages 4 and 5 of the Thomson East Coast Line, and even an existing connection to the Sentosa Island using the Sentosa Cable Car from Harbourfront MRT Station

[@matthewfong2976]

Unfortunately the stations of the line are quite far from the park (like 1km)

[@RMTransit]

Yeah I agree! Singapore has some great waterfronts too!

[@DanTheCaptain]

The TTC should retake full control of the Jack Layton Ferry. As Reece mentioned they should fully integrated the ferries into the presto fare system. This would speed up operation and access. No more long waits, just tap and go. The TTC can then even expand its operation to farther locations along the lakeshore creating yet another mode of transport for people looking to commute into the city centre.

[@RMTransit]

I don't think the TTC needs to take it over to integrate presto!

[@gregormonkey]

Hear hear!

[@DanTheCaptain]

@@RMTransit It could be I just like to fantasize about seeing SeaBus style ferries in the red TTC livery. I think something like what TransLink operates on the SeaBus would be nice for Toronto.

[@douggray169]

Great Video, I always go bike riding on these bike paths when i visit Toronto. I am very impressed how far you can go with just a little bit of stress

[@RMTransit]

A little bit of stress? Yeah, the bike paths are awesome, though we need a better bike rental scheme for them!

[@bearcubdaycare]

Rio de Janeiro's waterfront in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leblon and Leme (where the Pope spoke) is another good example. A wide beach used by a huge number of locals and some foreigners, with restaurants and cafes all along (with their kitchens underground, minimizing the above ground footprint), a wide walkway and cycle path between the beach and the road, with numerous buses along the road, and a metro a short distance inland. Very popular, very successful.

[@longbranchmike7846]

Yeah Long Branch GO station! And Park Lawn GO station, still in design stage. I've not seen a completion date estimated yet. And of course what Toronto really needs to seamlessly integrate the GO and TTC networks together is fare free intermodal transfers.

[@jarjarbinks6018]

Seeing this makes me wish the mayor didn’t remove the waterfront trolley tracks in Seattle years ago. Yes it was more of a tourist thing and used old cars but I think had we kept it, it could have complemented the alaska way redevelopment quite nicely as well as possibly connect the first hill streetcar and SLU trolley lines

[@RMTransit]

Yeah, I've been really dissapointed with the Seattle waterfront works!

[@CallanKilderry]

2:30 I'm glad it's not just the Adelaide O-Bahn that cars get stuck by going down transport corridors

[@TMD3453]

Chicago actually does pretty well, at least the train lines. Mist problems seem to be related to individual equipment problems, switching points or passengers. The busses get cut though when ridership gets low and that seems to be a weakness Thanks for all you do.

[@nvzmv]

Love that you've covered the ferry in this video

[@TheGreatLaker]

Don't forget the path extension south over Lakeshore/ under Gardiner from union towards Jack Layton term it does help in rain or snow if you know where to walk that is..... But once you do it the first time you'll never forget your way.

[@RMTransit]

Yes though I find it very frustrating how poor the connection is at Scotiabank

[@SaveMoneySavethePlanet]

There’s a bonus reason to take roads away from your waterfront area in favor of bike paths and public transit: it makes us more resilient to climate change. Since sea levels are going to rise almost no matter what we do, we want to limit the expense of stuff built along the waterfront because it will need to be moved eventually. Much easier to move a bike path and one rail line than a 4 lane highway. Also, this frees up space for Greenland which can eventually turn into marshland as sea levels rise. And marshland just happens to be a phenomenal carbon sink!

[@RMTransit]

Absolutely yes, fortunately Toronto isn't on the ocean and is about 100 meters above sea level but for many cities this is really critical!

[@joelressner9651]

I really miss living in TO!!

[@bobbbxxx]

Fantastic video, as always! Thank you!!

[@michaelrmurphy2734]

OMG! Reese! Right there at 6:04 ! You have one of the former Halifax Harbor ferries there in TO! The blue and white boat there on the left! That one was built in the 1970s and was sold off because it and the other one that age were forty years old. The HRM has six new boats now.

[@yorkchris10]

You really hit on the sore points before getting to transit. Street planners always put sidewalks in to avoid vehicles intruding on pedestrian space. Many people don't see bicycles as vehicles and many people on bicycles sometimes see themselves as pedestrians.

[@skyler1962]

I've worked at Billy Bishop for over 13 years. Transit between the airport and Union can be fine during the morning or early afternoon, but evening can be a nightmare: the shuttle will get stuck in traffic from too many downtown events (along with too much density and no infrastructure to support it) and has often just given up and returned to the Island or Royal York. With the CNE or other events this past Summer, the 509 is just one packed streetcar after another and not sure why they bothered stopping at any of the designated stops at all. Union Station then becomes overcrowded and a safety issue. Fall to Spring and no events it's fine, but the TTC and GO need to find a better way move the point to point travelers (CNE to Union for example), and not screw over those just trying to get home after work. I have the 501 to contend with (and the 501 stare), it would be nice not having to do that for my whole route.

[@Jpkjr52]

Thanks again John In Chicago

[@PauxloE]

From the title I thought it's a Cities Skylines video. But then I saw it's RMTransit 🙂

[@6ixof135]

Toronto’s waterfront is lovely! The three-stage crossing across Lakeshore Blvd. under the Gardiner Expressway to get there is less than lovely!

[@SaturnCanuck]

That was great Reece, thanks

[@chairmanlmao4482]

My town could have an amazing waterfront area. We have the old historic train station right by the water (thats now used as a bus station since the last passenger train left the station in 1978), we have a massive entertainment centre across the road from the train station, the main bar and nightlife district is a 3 minute walk from the train station and is lined with old 19th century brick buildings that face the water. We have accommodation across the road from the train station and my town's climate is very mild, usually daytime temperatures are between 15-25 degrees celsius, making it pretty nice to walk around in year round. My town has all the components that make up a great waterfront area. So what did the oldheads in charge do? They built a massive 5-lane road right along the coast. Genius

[@Qwerty-qg6db]

I live in İzmir in Turkey and although not perfect the waterfronts here is are better than most i would say

[@eitanormand]

The ferry service to the islands is horrible. I was there last summer when it's probably as busy as it gets but this should not be an excuse to the crowding we've experienced. I am amazed though by the pedestrian connection to the airport for 2 reasons: [1] that I wasn't aware of it when I visited; and [2] that it doesn't continue through / under / around the airport and connects to the islands!

[@SnapDash]

Having taken it, I feel that ferry could be happily replaced by a zipline.

[@gregaroivinalititavitch7939]

The waterfront trail is the only place I feel 100% safe biking in the city

[@tintobrass532]

I like Toronto; it’s a ‘foam’ town, where they make good beer…

[@bryanCJC2105]

I think San Francisco is the ultimate example of transit layering along a waterfront. The entire Embarcadero from Fisherman's Wharf to Oracle Park is accessible from every form of transit in the city. MUNI's heritage streetcar route F along the northern waterfront. MUNI T light rail line along the south waterfront. California St cable car to Embarcadero station and Powell Street cable car to Fisherman's Wharf from Powell St station. MUNI rail lines J,K,M,N (and the L line when it comes back online) all go to Embarcadero Station. BART also goes to Embarcadero Station. CalTrain's SF Station at 4th & Townsend is a block from Mission Bay and The Embarcadero at Oracle Park connecting w MUNI's T Line. Along with over a dozen ferry lines coming in to the Ferry Bldg and various piers on The Embarcadero from the East Bay, North Bay, Marin Co, and the various islands in the Bay. Add to that the many MUNI trolley and motor buses that terminate at Embarcadero. the various regional buses from the peninsula, East Bay, Golden Gate Transit, Greyhound, and Amtrak Connection buses at the Transbay Transit Center a few blocks away and you have a waterfront easily accessible from almost everywhere and one of the best served waterfronts in the world.

[@Jpk21]

You forgot to mention that the N Judah line also runs from embarcadero to the caltrain depot

[@bryanCJC2105]

@@Jpk21 OMG I did forget that one!

[@fredashay]

I wonder how difficult it would be for Toronto to do what they do in Amsterdam: build completely separate road systems for cars and bicycles...

[@RMTransit]

Not easy, but possible!

[@AaronSmith-sx4ez]

Waterfront is a good use for public property (trails, bike paths, transit) as opposed to private property (retail/residential/industry) for many reasons. A big one is a lack of grade crossings. Being next to water usually means you won't be crossing that many roads or driveways which even for bikes is a big deal. Being next to water usually means flat grade which is huge for bikers and transit. IMO most major bike trails should be built next to rivers, lakes or oceans. Another is that waterfront is most vulnerable to flooding. But a park/trail/transit line can take some flooding while a home can not. This is kind of an issue with Florida where developers zone too much urban shoreline for residential when parks/trails/transit would be a way better use. It's nuts they are building homes next to the ocean. At least in the Miami area, most of the beaches are public and the city hash fought homeowners who have tried to extend their private property over the the beach to kick the public off.

[@RMTransit]

I really like your point about the grades around watercourses being appropriate for cycling! Couldn't agree more!

[@DwainRichardson]

Great video presentation! (-: Any idea of transit projects for the easternmost portions of Toronto’s Waterfront? It looks like the long-awaited Ontario Line will finally come to fruition, so I imagine it will be one of many valuable contributions to the Eastern Waterfront. I look forward to your next Waterfront video. (-:

[@EvilStudios]

When I lived in Toronto, I used to love running / biking on Queen's Quay, a very nice urban area for such activities, but driving there was always a nightmare as far as I can remember... In my opinion they should just leave streetcars there and make it all pedestrian otherwise, although it's me speaking emotionally about that part of the city, I do realize that it's not that simple... It is one of the best parts of the city though, for sure...

[@jan-lukas]

Those 150m are probably only low for ferries to islands, some ferries across rivers are like 15m or so

[@RMTransit]

Yeah I figure, it's still crazy short!

[@vladimirad]

I once took a left turn from I think Bathurst onto the streetcar lane one evening. Lol. Thank god no streetcars were in sight and a quick glance at a confused TTC bus driver let me know I had to get off there asap. The confusion probably lies in that for many parts in Toronto you share lanes with street cars and as you said there’s no clear demarcation like grass/green or a raised platform. 😅

[@MetroChamp]

Seattle tore out their waterfront streetcar, discontinued the replacement bus route, replaced the Alaskan Way Viaduct with a car-centric tunnel that can't financially sustain itself, and they're planning on building an 8 lane wide boulevard. San Pedro also tore out their waterfront streetcar as well.

[@Visbalalam]

RIP Barangaroo

[@nvzmv]

Yeah cycling along the waterfront can be a nightmare. It would help if the cycling path was slightly lower than the sidewalk like a Dutch fietspad

[@grantcanty7294]

i'm sure this has been discussed before, but the idea of transit layering really reminds me of the vessels in our bodies. arteries, veins, and capillaries are all representations of heavy, medium, and light rail

[@hobog]

Some downtown Vancouver waterfront bike lanes seem overbuilt for being circuitous or purely scenic routes, often bypassed by calm bikeable streets

[@RMTransit]

It's ok if it's a little longer if it's comfortable! And I don't know that I'd call any overbuilt - they are incredibly popular

[@chriswood5205]

Your brief mention of ferries in this video was fascinating and yet a little frustrating. You clearly don't overly like the Toroto Island ferries, but don't really say why. Is there room for a dedicated video here?.

[@aaronginsberg4993]

The streetcar/public roadway weave off of Bathurst that leads to cars on the streetcar track that you identified is a problem. My bigger problem with Queens Quay is trying to cross it south to north as a pedestrian. There are no places to stand and wait for the light to change. The most natural spot is usually that narrow strip between the bike path and the streetcar. The pedestrian signals are also weirdly slow because of the streetcar signals. So, generally in the summer, you'll find a large group of pedestrians clustered onto a narrow strip trying to not get hit by a bike or streetcar. There are homes, businesses and the rest of the city on the north side of Queens Quay. It shouldn't be so hard to get there.

[@jackmehauf8664]

Could you do a video on torontos plans for the east of Yonge sections of lakeshore? Maybe how it will connect to the new portlands develpments? Ive always felt it was very divided from the western sections

[@Kafj302]

I am like number 297

[@CobaltFoxPlays]

If you think about it, Queens Quay was part of Lake Ontario

[@CobaltFoxPlays]

@@hysterics8011 Yeah, even before the Toronto Harbour Commission building.

[@daniellejajko6204]

It's really interesting how you're yet to make a video on China, given it has the lenghtiest metro network in the world(combining the 48 of them). Do you plan on making a video on Shanghai, Beijin or Guanzhou?

[@awesomeman116a]

Hi I have a question, is there a place where I can easily see more info about the new Park Lawn Go Station? Like is it on the Metrolinx website or something?

[@mdhazeldine]

I walked around near the waterfront a few years ago in the winter time, and it was an empty, windswept place, with dead streets and the Gardiner Expressway going overhead. Not nice at all. Mind you, maybe if I had visited in the summer and actually gone down to the waterfront street, it might have been nicer.

[@robd8577]

Please keep talking about bikes too. Bikes are transit as well... Kind of. Great vid.

[@Barnaclebeard]

Ha ha, "...runs away from their car?"

[@sri-kaushalramana437]

can you make a video on marta, Atlantas metro system?

[@sams3015]

Anyone else watches these and implements what he says into their virtual city games?

[@RMTransit]

That is an interesting idea haha!

[@sams3015]

@@RMTransit You should get one these games and see how your Transport ideals would hold up against a computer simulation. I’ve a pretty basic game on my work computer (the legendary Simcity 4) but with mods, the transport system works well. These games sometimes think park and ride is the way to go but thanks to your video I’ve worked out ways to make my Sims override that literally programmed need to get in cars and use “virgin” transit instead by being a bit more thoughtful with how I arrange transport. I think it holds up, that you can reprogram habits, sometimes by playing them against each other. Eg my Sims are will use transport if it’s plonked absolutely everywhere inc buses and if I make streets purposely zigzaggy to Residential areas, they’ll cut through on foot with pedestrian tiles and use transit because Sims are infamously lazy in Simcity 4. Also they won’t make anymore than 3 changes so I’ve made as many journeys as 1 stop as possible (eg mainline train stations in busy commercial areas unlike the relief habit of dumping them in a corner) so local transport and get the sims on their mainline train and at worse they’ll use local transport again. It works when road traffic is purposely made annoying for long journeys

[@matthewp956]

Hey RMTranist, in your opinion, what would be better? Having transit underground, or aboveground?

[@RMTransit]

That depends on context!

[@punishedkid]

It may suck that people are walking in the bike lane, but at least it isn't the car lane!

[@stekra3159]

Vienna danube Island esay Metor station and then Bicke everywhere else.

[@neolithictransitrevolution427]

RM, have you considered spliting your channel into RMToronto and RMTransit? I think you'd find a wider overall audience, and many like myself would still follow both.

[@clark523]

Maintaining two comparably sized channels would require enough content to fill both, and more frequent uploads helps a lot in the algorithm

[@RMTransit]

There's a lot of logistical reasons why that unfortunately wouldn't work well for me. My channel will always be some blend of Toronto (or wherever I'm living) and international content! But over time it's definitely becoming more international!

[@neolithictransitrevolution427]

@@clark523 He already runs 2 videos a week, and you can definitely operate with 1 per channel though. I don't know the logistics though, I just see all the "Hey do less Canada comments" and thought it might help for his global audience

[@neolithictransitrevolution427]

@@RMTransit I love the Toronto, keep it up.

[@wonkagaming8750]

vid on indonesian when

[@jamesboston]

People who run/jog in the bike lanes in Toronto... how fast do you think you are? I suggest you are not as fast as you think you are.

[@lukepea774]

I have a question, you don't have to create a video on it, you can just respond here. What are the 10 best metro systems for you and why?

[@wiesejay]

Turronno

[@harenterberge2632]

To avoid pedestrians walking on the cycle path there should be a curb separating the two. Like this: --Pedestrians ---\__cyclists___/---\___cars__

[@Jay-jq6bl]

I love the waterfront in Chicago. Pity Toronto doesn't have something similar.

[@RMTransit]

In many ways I honestly prefer Toronto's Waterfront, I think it has a lot of compelling stuff that Chicago doesn't - such as the trams!

[@gregormonkey]

If we get something like the Rail Deck Park proposal built, that would hopefully get us a lot closer to something like Chicago's Millennium Park and the swathes of parkland they have along the lake there

[@TheTroyc1982]

Toronto also has the Toronto Islands which are a miles better than the Chicago waterfront.

[@bobbbxxx]

In my experience most Torontonians don't seem to be aware of the horrendous multi-level expressway that runs along Lake Shore Drive in Chicago. Most people consider Navy Pier to be a treasure, but I find it like a narrow, jam-packed circus set up on a parking lot.

[@counterfit5]

150m ferry 🤣

[@jack2453]

Is it just me? There was very little actual water in this video...

[@RMTransit]

I guess that's true haha, it was more the waterfront than the water!

[@bobbbxxx]

The video is mostly about the transit that services the waterfront, as opposed to the actual waterfront itself. The waterfront is quite beautiful, but I think that is something for another video.😊

[@mixi171]

Why purchase new ferries when you could just serve the island via gondola and people wouldn't have to wait anymore.

[@canadien325]

Forget waterfront. More highways - Toronto politicians

[@MyersJ2Original]

You said in this video talking about green spaces about 2/3 way through that Toronto was the fourth largest city in North America. It's not even the 14th. It's not even close

[@enicolson15]

No, Toronto is indeed the 4th largest city in North America.

[@BeeRich33]

"Toronto has a pretty great waterfront..." Uh, no. Helsinki and Bordeaux are amazing. Toronto, has an incredible amount of moronic infractions on a daily basis along its waterfront. (2:22) The TTC can't stop inserting warning lights and signs to stop idiots from driving down into the subway. The cycle path is hugely inundated with pedestrians. And the old waterfront is completely gone, where things were interesting. The waterfront has been described as a cheap developer's dream, and all those buildings will age like St. James Town. Queen's Quay was a fully functional port, not a tourist destination. The vast majority of the road Queen's Quay West, wasn't even there during my childhood. Since its inception, the waterfront has been a complete disaster.

[@stevenkelly5385]

Wait...did you say driver's drive into tunnels by mistake, realize they messed up and runs away... blocking trams?😄😅🤣

[@billtalbot]

Yes it usually happens late at night by drivers who have had one or two many cocktails. They run away to avoid getting a DUI charge.

[@stevenkelly5385]

@@billtalbot most MVAs that's DUI related I've ran as a 1st responder the driver was usually still at the scene ...but your senario had me cracking up 😅

[@joermnyc]

My first evening in Toronto (way back in 2007), I walked down to the waterfront (end of York Street, then over to the “start” of Yonge Street) and it wasn’t until I heard, and then saw the old high floor streetcars that I remembered “Oh yeah, there’s s streetcar line here.” I did end up using it a few times to get back up to Union Station since it wasn’t too far from my hotel (the Strathcona on York.) This was so long ago they were using the tiny tokens (still have one) and paper transfers.