How VELMA Became The Most Hated Show Of All Time

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[@Pridetoons]

I refused to touch this show when it came out. Points for reviewing it for our Entertainment.

[@Kernwadi]

Why was 6 afraid of 7? It's a fairly common question, mostly because when people see 6 and 7 next to each other, it doesn't really make sense. 6 is large, muscled, and trained in multiple martial arts, while 7 is fairly average, physically, and short. However, 6's fear of 7 has its roots in childhood. See, 6 and 7 grew up together, and for a few years, they were best friends. But then 6 kissed 3, and they became childhood sweethearts. 7 secretly had feelings for 3, so 7 decided he needed to destroy 6 to win 3's affection. He started subtly, undermining 6 whenever possible with passive aggressive comments and compli-sults. But over time, things got much more insidious. 7 started messing with 6's performance in school, bringing down his grades and turning teachers against him. Even worse, 7 became great friends with 6's parents and slowly turned them against their own offspring. At night, 7 would sneak into 6's bedroom, and whisper depressing and hopeless things into his ears. Every time 3 was around, 7 would pants 6 and make fun of his genitalia, or try to body shame him in other ways. However, 3 was both smart and compassionate, and saw through 7's schemes, sticking with 6, trying to counter 7's psychological tear-down with compliments and friendship. Finally, 7 decided that he would never be able to win 3, so he drugged both 6 and 3, taking them to an abandoned cobbler's hut on the edge of town. There, he proceeded to torture and maim 3, forcing 6 to watch in horror, unable to do anything to save his sweetheart. 7 didn't kill 3, but instead, put her in a semi-vegetative state. 7 cleaned the scene of his prescence, then called the cops, having 6 blamed for 3's condition. 6 was sent to prison, believing 6 was guilty, 6's parents fell into a deep depression, eventually committing suicide over what they believed 6 had done. After serving 17 years of a 30 year sentence, and getting out on good behaviour, 6, now muscled and skilled as a fighter, thought he might get revenge on 7. But when he finally tracked down 7, he found out that 7 had installed a micro-bomb into 3's body, and should he be killed, the bomb would automatically go off and kill 3 as well. And though she was still in a mostly fugue state, 6 couldn't bring himself to hurt her any further, and decided to try and move on with his life. However, being an ex-con, it was difficult for him to get a job. 6 finally found employment at a diner, which 7 then bought, and proceeded to again undermine and toy with 6 at every turn. 6 tried to find employment elsewhere, but 7 contacted any potential employer and soured them against 6. 6 finally realized that no matter what he did, 7 was going to try and ruin his life, and he resigned himself to living as a broken, lonely man, never able to stand up to the depraved, amoral 7.

[@jessetorres8738]

I'm not against a show changing a characters race, gender, or sexuality if done well, but a Scooby-Doo show should have a likable cast that includes the dog!

[@mikesilva3868]

Give me the 60s scooby doo where are you the. This show any day 😊

[@YuzuruA]

I saw it and find it pretty blah, and then saw all the hate that the americans vented. I would say about 80% is pretty hard to differenciate between what is the problem with the show versus surfing the hate wave. KZbin also gave millions of views to a lot of right wing youtubers.

[@luckyspurs]

The fact that Mindy Kaling self-inserted herself as someone who doesn't get enough credit for her "talent" is extraordinary.

[@dodojesus4529]

Her then sucking at everything is is extra extraordinary

[@An0xymoron127]

Finally she’s getting the credit for her talent

[@alexfriedman918]

What talent? This is She-Hulk all over again - “twice the work, half the recognition”, yet she literally never works, and is the worst lawyer depicted on that shitshow!

[@LeftoverBeefcake]

I bet when the astronauts on the Space Station look out the window at Earth, they can see Mindy Kaling's ego.

[@davidtaylor142]

Fucking insane. She was a main writer on the Office. She gets plenty of credit

[@Xxxypher]

Nothing like confessing on TV that you sexually assaulted a castmate and then threatening abuse of power to fire anyone if they spoke of it. What a classy person Mindy is 🤮

[@ninjafrog6966]

That’s some Harvey Weinstein level shit, but of course when she does it, it’s something to laugh about because sexual assault is funny

[@NikoJr.]

And then being given an award by the president

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

That was really horrifying to listen to.

[@krajicsek13]

Next thing we know she tells a story when she secretly put a pill in a guys drink she liked and took him 'home' after he started to get dizzy

[@DiddyBohlen]

@@ninjafrog6966 Sexual assault of men to be specific

[@777ynk]

Referring to Scooby Doo as “the dog” in a show thats supposed to be based on Scooby Doo is like making a transformers show and referring to Optimus Prime as “the truck”

[@sev1120]

Or making a Batman show and referring to any of the robins as "the kid"

[@mikethegoo]

Referring to SpongeBob as "the sponge"

[@theperfectbotsteve4916]

or the transformers in general as "those robots who trun into cars" lol

[@flareboi]

ok i actually wanna see this because the idea of that is hilarious

[@invencible373875559]

or watching mazinger z and refering to mazinger as the robot

[@wyattroncin941]

You know, it's funny that mindy identifies with Velma's glasses so much, but pretty much refuses to wears her own big thick glasses at all while PROMOTING THE FUCKING SHOW

[@NicoUnken]

She is literally cosplaying as Daphne. Lookin' drop-dead gorgeous while talking about non-traditional beauty, wtf hahahhah

[@MarkelMathurin]

Wouldn't call her drop dead gorgeous ​@@NicoUnken

[@NicoUnken]

@@MarkelMathurin yeh fair, maybe I exaggerated, but I was just tryin' to say that she resembled traditional western beauty (typical of american celebrities) while also talking about Velma's "non-traditional beauty".

[@NicoUnken]

@@MarkelMathurin Good point, guess I was exaggerating. Was just makin' the point that she looked conventionally pretty despite praising Velma for "unconventional" beauty.

[@socklock1957]

Not to mention that she claims to “identify” with Velma, and yet the show makes her look like a disgusting jerk. Hypocrisy or ignorance, you tell me.

[@eleanorbwells]

Mindy saying that "Velma did all the work and never got the credit for it" proves that she doesn't understand Scooby-Doo. The whole point is that they are a TEAM and each of them an invaluable part of solving each mystery. They're also a family. They love each other. I always loved that different people from different social groups and backgrounds could come together and be the best of friends. I loathe what the writers did not only with each character, but how they treated each other. I really loathe this show so, so much, and it's a blessing in disguise that they didn't touch the dog.

[@gracekim25]

Yeah what’s nuts is she apparently related to her yet it’s clear she doesn’t get the character 😅

[@wingedhussar8552]

Mindy was clearly projecting her own bitterness onto this character, no matter how little the character related to her perceived problems

[@marctaco2624]

If the fact that she drew Velma to look exactly like her wasn’t an indication that she just wanted a show about herself… again.

[@nikoc8968]

seriously; if youve ever seen Scooby Doo, youd know SHAGGY AND SCOOBY are the main characters. theyre also the ones who lead to the capture of almost every villain.

[@coolman6139]

They did touch the dog. He's dead.

[@gabrielpatten6939]

The worst thing about Mindy Kaling is that she can't grasp how much we as a collective society dislike Mindy Kaling

[@thaqiftalip2771]

The most interesting part is how she doesn't have her reputation tarnished. We have seen famous people have everything they have gone down the drain. Why can't this happened with Mindy Kaling?

[@user-pu6pn8vt5d]

Because 4th wave feminism likes her.

[@user-pu6pn8vt5d]

I don't know, the sexual assault was pretty bad.

[@ahstiasummers5583]

@@thaqiftalip2771 cynical answer, the general internet doesn’t want to tear down a shitty writer for being a shitty writer if said writer is also a minority. Fear of being labeled a racist and how Nollywood needs more minority creators. I agree that Nollywood desperately needs minority representation. But they have seem to forgotten that having diversity doesn’t excuse a bad story for being a bad story

[@blahblahblahblah729]

​@@ahstiasummers5583 I feel like as we get more diversity in all parts of media, we won't have to put up with shitty people like her, because her being a woman of color won't make her stand out anymore, as we will have plenty of other WOC who will be actually nice and not complete female versions of Harvey

[@nessarolla]

I wish this would have been set in college where Velma believed herself to be the smartest person in the room only to find out how competitive the real world was. Fred could be there on an athlete scholarship but his true passion be engenieering, Daphne could be from a rich rich family but wants to work hard for herself so she enrolls under a fake name, and shaggy and scoob could run a frat house that has scoob as a mascot so him being there is okay or he could be a support dog. And of course college is the perfect setting for murder! This show could have been something cool, something special, but Mindy marysues everything she touches.

[@deen7530]

Yeah I think an adult Scooby Doo show set in college could work really well- IF it showed respect to the franchise and had clever writing.

[@blackcat6374]

You could also have Velma assuming things about the characters and then *surprise surprise* THEY ARE NOT THAT. Like let her think at first that Daphne is just a popular, pretty girl who takes advantage of her image to get things the "easy way", and then reveal to Velma (and the audience) that actually Daphne is actively making things harder for herself by not taking advantage of her last name. Have her think that Fred is just another rich boy, who believes he is above everything and everyone and who has a secure future by inheriting his parents money, after that show her that Fred's family is actually broke/in debt (if they wanted to add SO BAD a misogynist dumb white-male character, make Fred's dad exactly that which could lead to him creating his family's debt, which could lead to Fred actually being afraid of becoming just like him). Then make Fred open up to Velma (or the whole crew) about him being pressured to keep up appearences because of his family, how he is in college thanks to his scholarship, and his passion/skill in engenieering. Lastly have Velma just assuming that Shaggy is a pipsqueak with no ambition who is going to waste his college years getting high, but either a. make it a facade, and make HIM the one who has been investigating the mysterious murders around camp or b. make it his way to deal with some kind of tragic backstory or insecurity. Of course, still all that characters should have flaws of their own (you could have them ALL assuming bad things about each other from the get go and then being forced to work together), but make them actually grow and work on them. Welp, I can just hope that some talented true scooby fan out there creates something that actually honors the og gang.

[@YouthRightsRadical]

@@blackcat6374 Shaggy's big positive has always been how quick he is, both on his feet and his wits. He's easy to mistake for a lazy, braindead stoner, but every chase scene he manages clever hiding places, bugs bunny level misdirections, genuinely funny one liners, and keeps pace with a terrified Great Dane running all out.

[@blackcat6374]

@@YouthRightsRadical Og Shaggy is just the best tbh, he deserved wayyy better (well, they all did)

[@Anthony-kp7sf]

like most mainstream entertainment, this was just a vehicle for some privileged nepo-baby to boost their self-esteem as the masses usually eat up whatever is presented. this just happened to actually be so fucking bad that people actually looked up from the plate for once. nearly everything we consume entrainment-wise is just nepo-baby nonsense. there is zero talent in the entertainment industry at this point.

[@Slimerror]

No way she admitted to sexual assault live on tv without any serious consequences

[@jeremyallen5974]

Her family is super rich. Making such blatant admissions of guilt go away is as simple as slipping some hundreds in the proper wallets for them

[@aaronstorey9712]

Shes a woman.

[@strobo308]

It's funny to me they keep saying Velma is the smart one, yet they wrote her in the most braindead way I've ever seen. She didn't say a single smart thing in the entire show

[@brandonlyon730]

They also had Norville forge her report card and “Velma” stated once before that she once had a “flat-earth phase”. Like for trying to make her seem like genius, the show does a terrible job in telling this to us.

[@hanahayashi6374]

They also also canonically wrote that Velma always copies Norville's homework (specifically for math). If they wanted to show her being smart for her mystery-solving skills, they failed on that end too. With her "wits" and the adult character's stupidity, Fred would've remained as the scapegoat.

[@jeremyallen5974]

It's like modern Batman where they try to play him off as some sort of messiah of justice when his actions paint him as a sociopath who cares more for the safety of the bloodthirsty murderers who infest his city than that of the people who are supposed to be his allies or even the innocent people who will inevitably die when the Gotham justice department does its thing and lets his villains go It just doesn't mesh that he makes so many claims about standing for justice when said 'justice' only leads to an ever growing pile of innocent corpses in his rear view mirror

[@Animestar21]

@@hanahayashi6374 that would explain how she screwed up the Quadratic formula

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

She also doesn't know what "voilá" means, which I knew at that age, so she isn't smart, she's a character pretty much written to be a pristine example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[@alyssamay9237]

I just realized something, both Velma and Daphne are trying to solve a mystery (Velma wanting to know what happened to her mom, Daphne trying to find her birth parents). Why not make the origin story of the Scooby gang about four teens trying to solve separate mysteries by themselves, only to keep hitting dead ends. Then only by working together as a team do they solve their mysteries, and continue to solve more?

[@autinjones7194]

Because this was never trying to be good.

[@delsinlarson9160]

Damn this comment section is a gold mine of interesting and admittedly good ideas for Scooby-Doo Shows/movies and yet Hollywood will not us a single one of them

[@Barakon]

@@delsinlarson9160 how about Scooby Doo but Scooby was secretly an Aztec deity & the gang is in college & slowly getting back together after a tough split up in high school?

[@Noelle_Holiday]

Yeah but unfortunately for the writers of Velma and Hollywood in general, that would take a significant amount of EFFORT.

[@thetechnocrat4979]

That would require actual good writing and the creators would have had to ignore their ideological bias for that. Impossible for them.

[@fuzzwobble]

What's wild is how Fred wasn't a jock, a bully, or an idiot in the original show and most of the spinoffs. He was an artsy intellectual and an all-around nice person. He's the one who solved the mysteries in many episodes. It was a running gag for Velma to be a brainiac and be happy when Fred knew what she was talking about and expanded upon it. In fact, Velma losing her glasses and bumbling about was a common setup for Fred doing the heavy lifting to solve the case and rescue everybody himself. For heck's sake, the guy came up with all the traps that caught the villains. The amount of engineering marvel Rube Goldberg machines he put together were insane. Fred was creative and wordly. Some might argue he was often proven smarter than Velma in episodes. What Velma had was book smarts, where she would recognize obscure clues that normal people would miss and bring them to the team's attention... but even Daphne would do this quite often with her different culture about her. Recognizing things like fabrics, or things abnormal for high society, came up a lot. So many of the mysteries were about money, and Daphne often was a valuable reference for fashion or culture. Let's not even get into how Daphne was the sweetest, most honest, and kindest person in the franchise, and they made her a bully drug dealer... Those three of the team in particular pulled their weight and complimented each other. Dumbing Fred and Daphne down to a stupid jock and naïve mean girl is so outside of character that it's insulting to the source material.

[@daniapfel9673]

Yeah

[@corahtheskeleton8062]

Funny thing is, Fred isn't even a jock in this, he's just a popular pretty boy, he has nothing going for himself in Velma, if he at least did sports it could've explained why he's so strong (especially considering the weak feeble rich boy body they gave him in his design of the show), but nooooooo, they had to make him a spoiled pre-pubescent dumbass whose only redeemable quality is his funny delivery provided by the VA

[@MizuFujimori]

But he's white so the show had to make him horrible. Racist show be Racist, my Hispanic ass can say this.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

​@@corahtheskeleton8062 If you take him at face value Fred is unironically the best character of the new series, despite their constant attempts to demonize and belittle him. He not only has a TON of legitimately based AF lines (I can't save you, I'm too busy thinking about the gender pay gap!) and he was the only character that had an actual complete arc and SOME level of character growth in that he at least has SOME awareness of how terrible he is, and that already puts him a step above the rest of the gang...

[@corahtheskeleton8062]

@@BertoxolusThePuzzled true true, and though his dialogue still suck the delivery can be a bit funny

[@Caldinovin]

Calling Velma a love letter to the original Scooby Doo series is like sending your crush a letter full of anthrax.

[@JeanMarceaux]

It's as much of a love letter to Scooby-Doo as Nostalgia Critic's The Wall is one to Pink Floyd.

[@Caldinovin]

@@JeanMarceaux Exactly

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

What's an anthrax

[@JeanMarceaux]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 it's a thrash metal band

[@Caldinovin]

@@Marvelfanatic3658 Anthrax is a deadly infection from a certain bacteria. Can come from infected animals and animal product. It can also infect humans. In the past it was a few times weaponized in a white powder.

[@tuney7319]

I think the way the show frames velma as this strong feminist icon who stands for women’s rights is so weird especially when half the show is her blatantly bullying other girls out of pure jealousy and shaming any girl who is even the slightest bit different from her, it just reminds me of the “not like other girls” type of weird behavior

[@TheMadcap919]

And this maybe controversial, but I think it’s important… You cannot, I repeat, CANNOT, have a female character character both be a “out of the ordinary” weird girl, and ALSO have her be a feminist icon! Because, in the words of a cartoon character. “Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo.”. It’s similar here. You can’t have a “fish outta water” female character who’s “Not like those other girls” and also make her a feminist icon because you imply that this character is an exception to the rule and not the norm. Feel free to disagree! This is just my opinion of course!

[@secretvoids5973]

@@TheMadcap919 omg Knuckles quote?

[@seasnaill2589]

@@TheMadcap919 Huh, interesting. Thats a good take, Imma keep that in my back pocket for the future.

[@BlackSheepNara]

Nothing is more feminist than misogyny

[@nightingaleforrest]

Yet at the same time people validate the “I’m not like other girls” attitude - people need to make up their minds. Is it cringe or not? I think it’s cringe

[@MoskHotel]

Fun fact: This version of Velma is on the Villains Wiki. I’m not even joking. This character is so unlikable, than even the Villain Wiki community considers her a villain, instead of the "hero in her story.” Edit: Thanks for the heart, CJ. Didn't expect this comment to get this much likes either. Appreciate it.

[@donutbevil9669]

Fred is in the heroes site.

[@MoskHotel]

@@donutbevil9669 Yep, she’s even worse than the psychotic Fred.

[@KYLE1654-v7m]

That's a good thing.

[@Bryndor_]

Well, many “heroes” of adult shows like Velma have pages in the Villains wiki, such as the majority of the main Family Guy characters.

[@meltingfire4736]

Irony

[@theidiot8381]

I'm am absolutely SHOCKED that Velma wasn't a prime suspect for these murders.

[@beatles42ohgg94]

she, was. just another person that didnt watch the show.....................................

[@theidiot8381]

@@beatles42ohgg94 dude why would I watch this piece of trash lol. Also I think he mentions in the video that she's not really suspected for the murders (in fact, she is assigned to PROTECT the victims soooo.... idk correct me if I'm wrong.)

[@Zorant0Zero]

​@@beatles42ohgg94 wasnt it that they just brought her in as a formality because the cops were Daphne's moms so they knew she didn't do it?

[@RealCesyB]

​@@beatles42ohgg94 You're not fucking defending this toxic waste, surely I'm misinterpreting it

[@DisplayThisOkay]

@@Zorant0Zero No, Velma was the prime suspect because the first girl's body was in her locker, but she managed to get a false confession out of Fred. Fred got arrested but another girl got murdered while he was in jail so he got released and for whatever reason Daphne's moms didn't pin the blame back on Velma.

[@teagle8650]

“Comedian” is an extremely generous way of introducing Mindy Kaling

[@KiraSlith]

More like false advertising. 😂

[@greywalker505]

She’s a clown, but not a funny kind.

[@greywalker505]

She’s a clown, but she isn’t a comedian.

[@lordpataknight1312]

Always disliked her in the office was always fast forward whenever I saw her

[@Attmay]

It is more accurate than describing the bigot who runs this channel as a critic.

[@sephikong8323]

Two important things to note : 1 : People get easily defensive f you disrespect something from their childhood 2 : When you are adapting a franchise for children that is over 50 years old, you are basically tackling a property that is *EVERYONE'S* childhood, from the 60 year old down to the teenagers

[@vkobevk]

it depend if the creator has talent to made it funny or not teen titan go look more popular than the original teen titan

[@maxsweeney4212]

You know what? That's fucking brilliant. Everybody loves this show. My dad, 80's kids, 90's kids, my kids. And then this cancer. "You like ice cream? Here's ice cream 2. It's almost nothing like ice cream and it hates you, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity or creed."

[@Taintsnicely5434]

I feel like people would still hate this even if it weren't velma. Many childhood show is hardly ruined if anything I appreciate the original scooby do more now

[@little_babby_duck9520]

​@@vkobevkThe thing about Teen Titans Go is that it wasn't necessarily made for Teen Titans fans. It was a spin off for the newer generation of kids who didn't experience Teen Titans (But they made teen titans go more for modern day kids like gen alpha who depend on fart jokes.) However, Velma is an adult animated series, so it can't be for the newer gen of kids, it's for people of age who grew up on watching Scooby Doo. So when she changes most of the show, it just looks bad and no one likes it.

[@vkobevk]

@@little_babby_duck9520 for kid sometime teen titan go can really adult 😂 episode with easter egg bunny or killer moth can really adult theme i am not sure i will show teen titan go to kid teen titan ok but teen titan go 1/4 of their episode really sometime at same level than south park it seem they want compete against american dad and family guy for mature and fun show

[@Horrormaster13]

Dear Scrappy Doo, we apologize for all the terrible things we've said about you. You are no longer the worst thing to happen to the Scooby-Doo Franchise. This show is proof of that. Signed all of us.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Scrappy: FINALLY! I've had to put up with so much backlash for so long,it's finally over. But yeah, you're not wrong, this show Reeks.

[@ryxrr7207]

Scrappy will always be bad. But comparing how bad he was to how bad this show is, is like comparing a breaching charge to a nuke in terms of explosive shit.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

I didn't know Scrappy was hated until the internet told me I should hate him. I...just don't. Also, my family fostered two pitbulls and named the older Scooby, then rescued a puppy that had mange and had been put in a plastic bag in the dumpster and named him Scrappy. So, the character holds a fond spot for me due to that.

[@Khasym]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley I was never a Scooby Doo fan, and while I wasn't won over by Scrappy, I really didn't understand the hatred myself. We were spoiled for choice in the 80s and 90s when it came to cartoon shows. So I don't really get how Scrappy somehow ruined Scooby Doo. I may have changed the channel on Scrappy, but I did it a little slower than when I heard the leadup to the Scooby Doo theme kick in.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

Ironically, Scrappy was popular at 1st since he was just an addition to the team. But then they decided to cut 3 members(Fred, Daphne & Velma) from the team which tanked his popularity because he really can't replace them & it rub the fans the wrong way + his flaws are more noticeable since he is the center now, make no mistake the creators made him the real protag not Shaggy & Scooby: he find the clues, he antagonise the villains, he even set traps, every episode has him but not all episode have Scooby & Shaggy(they were really thinking about replacing Scooby & Shaggy)

[@vysethegallant638]

Show writers: "Ever wonder why Velma's eyesight was so bad?" Me: "Uh, genetics?" Show writers: "No! When Velma's mom disappeared, she started wearing her mom's glasses until she couldn't see without them." Me: "..."

[@corahtheskeleton8062]

By normal human logic, if her mom had to wear glasses because of her bad eyesight, then there's a FAT chance Velma would've had to wear glasses in the future due to the defect carrying into her genes when she was born

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

It's clear they don't know how people with glasses work.

[@istvankarolyfarkas6125]

I mean, you can wear glasses that make you see everything upside down, and get used to it. And after getting used to it and take it off you will see everything upside down for a time. So, i would say that is the least " that is not how it works" of the show.

[@SnailSnail622]

That’s up there with that scene in Alvin and the Chipmunks (2007) where Simon gets a pair of glasses from a random Santa doll and they _just so happen_ to be his prescription. 🤦

[@AppleStrawberryLove]

Speaking as someone whose sight got worse after my brother and wanted glasses so bad when he first got his, I stole his glasses sometimes (he didn't need them all the time then). Wearing someone else's glasses is so off putting. It gives you a headache after an hour (if you last that long). That said, yes, technically wearing the wrong prescription of glasses can damage your eyes... but usually it's when your prescription isn't strong enough so your eyes are straining and getting stressed. But the amount of damage is usually mild and sometimes even reversible because it can sometimes just be your eyes too strained causing the issue.

[@saint_trex]

As a member of Indian community, we don’t claim Mindy Kaling

[@kaplingnag7267]

As another deshi I don't either (I am also queer and the queer community wants nothing to do with this shitshow)

[@pastrychefiii822]

As another Indian I uphold this motion

[@Attmay]

Your use of anti-Gay hate speech means that she is a representative of the Indian community and anybody who says otherwise is a misogynist and a self loathing racist. Stop using the Q slur. Stop trying to silence the voices of women of *COLOR* with homophobic hate speech.

[@Attmay]

As a Gay MAN and a Jew with English roots on my mother’s side, I overturn this motion. Mindy Kaling is representative of Indian women.

[@rickyrackey7930]

India’s James Cordon

[@aspirec1376]

Mindy said she relates to Velma because she is “really pretty but in an untraditional way” and “super smart and unafraid of being smart”. The vanity and irony there is palpable.

[@punkhyena875]

Mindy is irl more like Fred though.

[@geomania8533]

Right? I made the exact same comment under another video about Velma. But yea for someone who claims to relate to Velma, she doesn’t show it at ALL. Velma is a bit sarcastic and extremely intelligent, with a kind heart and the brains behind the gang, but this Velma is whiny, annoying and is more stupid and idiotic than intelligent. I mean she doesn’t even focus on the mystery, she makes a bunch of random presumptions of whom the murder is, and has no disregard of other people’s feelings, outright using them in order to get her way. I mean seriously she destroyed her own eyesight wearing those glasses, constantly shames people on race and ethnicity, and what’s worse is that she gets the clues to the murder from her friends. And while that doesn’t sound bad, keep in mind she is meant to be super intelligent. She’s supposed to figure out these clues herself yet it’s her friends who do the clue searching for her. Basically she’s a terrible Velma and I’m glad Scooby decapitated her in that Avocado Animation channel

[@fablethewolf825]

Pretty? But the original Velma wasn't pretty; she was pale, short, plump, had freckles and wore her hair in a strange way. That's part of her charm; she's a girl who is neither classically pretty or 'untraditionally' pretty. Looks didn't matter at all with her because she was the smart one, not the pretty one. If anything, it was actually more admirable than what Kaling says because she (Kaling) is perpetuating the idea that women _have_ to be pretty in some way or another in order to have worth, and you can't get much more 'pro-patriarchy' than that. Not to mention the ahead-of-its-time representation of girls who weren't conventionally attractive; something that was virtually unheard of is sixties media.

[@punkhyena875]

@@fablethewolf825 Mindy is kind of that useless human being that coasts on anything she can. I thought Velma was hot as hell as inquisitive could find things the others couldnt as a kid.

[@punkhyena875]

@@fablethewolf825 The velma in this is literally not someone who could function if the story wasnt made for her by a horrible woman who never had to work for anything.

[@undeadladybug7723]

Honestly, if this is how Kaling treats a character she "loves", I'd hate to see what she does to one she hates.

[@thelancerfromtimeline1009]

She would write them as Hitler

[@asdergold1]

Unintentionally write them as a really great and based person.

[@Necroxion]

Fred It's Fred

[@yusharider]

*See every man in the show

[@utatanepiko7087]

She already did write for a character she hates (points at Fred)

[@magnevagen889]

37:57 Ok, what the fuck. She straight up harrassed someone, and then blackmailed the witnesses to shut up?? HOW THE HELL IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH THIS???

[@stevenshoemaker8326]

She’s brown we don’t wanna cancel her

[@TLPmediaUSA]

Woke women all get special immunity

[@somerandomgamer9065]

No She ASSAULTED someone and blackmailed the witnesses.

[@kongvinter33]

men cant be sexually assaulted. - feminism

[@magnevagen889]

@@somerandomgamer9065 God, you right

[@puzzlechick163]

Ironically, an 'adult' version of Scooby-Doo where the story actually is about the gang all dodging the draft for various reasons and subsequently forming the team and stumbling into mysteries while dealing with non-romanticized aspects of growing up in the 60s could actually be good. I mean if they want potentially hard-hitting and divisive storylines, it's a rich period of history to work in. These writers could never handle it with the skill it would need, though.

[@Su-mx7ix]

I will forever stand by this. Both the original series and the couple of later iterations I watched felt like they catered to adults more than this BS. Shaggy was so obviously a stoner, Velma and Daphne did have some attraction at times, and the humour was always spot on. That’s why they still make us laugh. The original premise would still hold strong today, no “modernisation” whatsoever necessary. It could help explore many of the themes Velma attempted to, especially concerning LGBT+ history. I can’t help but feel we have been robbed.

[@ElliseTheSquib]

Fun fact : If you kiss someone without their consent, you could be charged with sexual assault, battery, or sexual harassment! So don’t make out with people without their consent, Mindy!

[@DammnDeejay]

Had a client do this to me and I of course called the police on him after I left his house (I’m an licensed MT) and they legit did absolutely nothing and was told me “just don’t go back to his house then” Like *no sht* I always wonder why they didn’t do anything bc you’re absolutely right!

[@ivoryfnc]

What’s “battery”?

[@pikachucetthesecond4296]

​@@ivoryfnc It's...a kind of assault. That's all I know.

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@pikachucetthesecond4296I mean no. Assault is assault. Battery is what people think assault is

[@nightwalker9875]

@@ivoryfncas an actual answer; Assault is the act of causing another person to fear that they are in imminent harm and battery is the actually causing harm to another person

[@ThiccSumoWarDog]

The image of a British man staring emptily into my soul while wearing a Scooby costume is STILL unironically funnier and more clever than this show.

[@BronzeDragon133]

And a little hot. Let's not forget that it's a little hot.

[@Est.-.]

​@Dragon i will bury you in custard for this statement which is not necessarily incorrect

[@TheImprovised]

Lmfaoooo

[@TheImprovised]

​@Dragon I agree.

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

Felt like I was watching a Caddicarus skit, almost expecting some random loud yelling at the end of it

[@DrMemeD302]

When the producers keep saying "Warner Bros wouldn't let us have the dog" and just keep calling Scooby "The dog", it really shows how much they actually cared about the IP in the first place.

[@trinitybennie6219]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

god bless warner bros for that though

[@jeremyriley1238]

@@YEETUSDAFEETUS That is true, as Scooby does not need to be in this abomination taking the name of Velma Dinkley in disgusting vain.

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

@@jeremyriley1238 the whole gang really this show makes them such stereotypical boring characters that refuse to grow in any actual way I wish somebody woulda stopped this show in it's tracks but sadly here we are

[@GJBattles]

@@YEETUSDAFEETUS Extremely rare Warner Bros W

[@thatfuzzypotato1877]

Okay random: I did a research paper on this, sex DOESN'T sell. Viewers might remember the type of product, but they are less likely to remember the brand. Humor sells. Everyone remembers hilarious budweiser commercials. Who remembers the brand from "that random sneaker commercial with moaning jail-bait" Im grossly oversimplifying a LOT of research condensed into a paragraph. But sex makes you remember the category, but its humor that makes you remember the brand

[@mapytrix3982]

That's exactly it, good to know someone else has realized this Is there a way to read your paper perhaps? I'm curious about the thought process that went into this conclusion. Furthermore, what do you think if "There's no negative press?". I won't share my opinion in it yet though, want to hear yours first

[@Isajinglebells]

As a student making a paper right now, I really wanna see that!!!

[@TheMrMeng]

I've lost count of how many 'sexy' commercials I've forgotten about but a random Miller Lite commercial featuring a hitchhiker getting a ride from a long haul trucker with a ventriloquist dummy? That's stayed with me for years.

[@criskp6861]

Interesting!

[@Argentocoxos]

By any chance was this published Open Access so I can read it?

[@RomancingtheReader]

Constance Wu degrading Daphne’s character by saying everyone only saw her as “the hot one” shows that she never actually watched the show. Daphne was a badass. Even in the beginning when she was a horribly underdeveloped character she was still getting in clever quips from time to time about their situation. And in later installments she perfectly walked the line between hyperfemininity and her more “masculine traits”. A perfect example is in the Fast and the Wormious. The mystery machine breaks down and Daphne fixes it with nothing but the items she has in her purse! Like how could anyone says she just the hot girl.

[@KopperNeoman]

Even if she was "just" the hot girl who got captured all the time, it takes serious guts to be the bait for psychos all the time. It's okay for girls to be housewives.

[@54khbvf]

Not to mention the recurring thing that Fred can never drive stick, but Daphne can.

[@silverscorpio24]

I loved her depiction in the live action movies. Tough and independent but still beautiful and kindhearted.

[@seasnaill2589]

Its been a while since the last time I watches Scooby Doo, but Daphne always felt like the 'swiss army knife' character. Everyone else had their own roles, but if the writers needed something done outside of their established roles? 'Daphne can fix a truck' 'sure Daphne can pick locks' 'of course Daphne can act in a play, she's classically trained!' She's a pretty face yes, but she's also the most handy out of the entire cast!

[@jakobnunez4964]

Or aloha scooby doo when daphne helps herself after falling through the broken bridge with dental floss.

[@shift7808]

She said velma got no credit for the work she did, but velma is credited with solving the vast majority of mysteries in the show. Maybe she hasnt even seen scooby doo.

[@viscountrainbows2857]

One day someone needs to make an archive of linchpin quotes from people who have ruined franchises and the integral inadequacy they were threatening us with from the previews.

[@theleap2946]

I’m sure someone is out there seeking to prove her wrong.

[@ezrawyvern6795]

Her statement undeniably proves she hasn't.

[@meyer6891]

The gang always got credited as a team, because they were a team. They shared the risk, they shared the fame. No member could work without the others, but everyone was essential for the Mistery Inc. The sole idea of producing a show about just one of them tells you she didn't even read the wiki

[@314rft]

Apparently this show doesn't even have Scooby-Doo the character AT ALL. That's proof Mindy doesn't give 1 damn about the source material.

[@8bitgalaxy98]

Crazy to think about how Mindy said Velma (as a character) was always so relatable and personal to herself, and then showed that she is literally the opposite of who Velma actually is. Talk about hardcore projection.

[@kentonbaird1723]

"I relate so much to Velma that I had to change everything about her to suit me."

[@origamipein18]

Right?

[@DeathnoteBB]

Especially the glasses! Like ma’am you don’t HAVE GLASSES. What’s obvious about it??

[@jeremyriley1238]

@@kentonbaird1723 Yep, and she changed Velma to the point where it no longer Velma, but Mindy herself cosplaying as Velma.

[@Ddangerdan]

I fail to see any relation whatsoever to Mindy and Velma. How the hell did Mindy see herself similar to Velma?

[@SilverNacasNACAS]

Literally Velma went twerking covered in blood after a person was brutally crushed in front of her son

[@Attmay]

Still better than good times.

[@VinnieGer]

The murderer who stole peoples brains and was basically going to shoot them was the one who got crushed. I don’t think people saw the show.

[@greywalker505]

@@VinnieGer Regardless, a teenager seeing someone get crushed to death and being splattered with their blood ought to at least be horrified.

[@Greendalewitch]

​@@VinnieGer You mean Freds mother? Even if she was a villain, I imagine its still traumatizing for a child to see its parent crushed to death, get its blood over you and then watch Velma twerk over her dead body

[@ZyaireFontroy-Moore]

@@Attmaynot really tho good times aint great but this, i couldn’t finish the first episode 😭

[@trinaq]

I can't believe that this show is ostensibly for adults, yet Puss in Boots, which is a children's cartoon, manages to depict panic attacks more accurately.

[@burnypython8230]

This is why I hate it when people say, “You are complaining about a kids film.” When there are genuinely good kids films, you can’t lower your expectations of one solely because the movie or show is targeted for children.

[@Kernwadi]

“Poop spelled backwards is poop.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@jamesboyle6134]

There really is no substitute for good writing.

[@rhedosaurus2251]

Not to mention, the villains are legitimatly formidable. Death as a bounty hunting bipedal wolf is as ruthless as Genghis Khan and Jack Horner is a psychopath.

[@gracekim25]

Well Puss in boots can be viewed by everyone 😅 also it’s a 12A here

[@Night-Lord]

Man it's really funny and cool that Mindy went on national television and basically said "I want to be like Harvey Weinstein, but a woman" and everyone laughed instead of destroying her career.

[@orkutfinance]

And feminists continue to say that women have no privileges.

[@Necroxion]

Girl idolized him so much she even sexually assaulted dudes and used their jobs to blackmail people into silence The one guy she admits to sexually assaulting in public? He has a husband

[@thejaded]

That's messed up if she said that yo 😅😅

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

If she were a man she'd have been cancelled to Hell and back

[@ninjafrog6966]

Didn’t she literally admit on a Conan interview that she kissed a co-star without his consent?

[@RetroTaylor94]

That story about Mindy kissing that guy without consent and covering it up while laughing is chilling, honestly.

[@Tony_409]

And look at the way Hollywood took her admission and gave her a pass

[@persephoenix]

I’m glad people are calling her out on it now bc it’s just not okay to do something like that.

[@DarkSeraph]

If the genders were reversed noone would've given her a pass.

[@24Lorn]

That was so creepy, innappropriate, uncomfortable and terribly gross. It was both an admission of not caring about consent and of abuse of power.

[@Tony_409]

@@24Lorn worse, it’s a celebration of the abuse of power

[@galacticgull2249]

16:18 I think the most insufferable thing about this clip is the implication that Mindy believes she doesn’t get enough recognition for her work but if you check her wikipedia page you’ll find that she has been nominated for 41 awards, won 10 of those, has been recognized by Time Magazine as one of the top 100 most influential people in the world and Entertainment Weekly as one of the 50 “Coolest and Most Creative Entertainers in Hollywood” and in 2023 was awarded the 2021 National Medal of Arts by Joe Biden. Yet despite all of that she is still ungrateful and believes that she doesn’t get enough credit. Her ego is bigger than the known universe.

[@nickchavez720]

I know I'm coming really late to the party here, but awards don't mean anything anymore. These days if you have enough money, and know the right people you can essentially buy an award. I mean look at the Entertainment Weekly article, not exactly a serious magazine dedicated to a serious critique of art and culture. And Joe Biden probably didn't know who she was when he gave her the award. Seriously, outside of being a writer for the Office, having a series that got canceled after four seasons, and the terrible Ocean's 11 knock off what has she really done? That's why she's lashing out like she is. She knows that deed down her career and accomplishments are all shallow. That the praise is all a fugazi. Thats why she keeps saying she deserves more. She's trying to convince herself and lashes out whenever anyone speaks the truth to her.

[@JeanMarceaux]

​@@nickchavez720apologies, but how does fugazi tie into all this? Usually fugazi, an army acronym, is decoded into "fucked up, got ambushed, zipped up"

[@nickchavez720]

@@JeanMarceaux so the older meaning of fugazi is fake. Like 'the Rolex I bought turned out to be a fugazi.'

[@1ChristFollowingNerd]

Velma convinced me that tons of people in Hollywood became writers because their therapists told them writing is a creative outlet but they’re narcissists and thought “everyone needs to see what I wrote I am brilliant.”

[@capncookie1110]

It do be like that for some

[@Agahmoyzen2]

As someone who pretty much all rich people what I think is, once someone starts making a million a year or somewhere close, then they will start to be self-centered asshats. In other sectors similar rich people are different but in arts and cinema since most of these people start there with more liberal leaning ideals, hollywood turns into a bunch of self-centered liberal asshats. Give anyone with that amount of pull and money and success and they will have to try to curb their own god complex eventually. Since most of the world sees the liberal and left leaning hollywood they think that every left wing must be this kind of narcissist self centered assholes. But the reality in the street is very different. We leftists are not this one kind of asshole, we are all our own special kind of unique assholes. Every one of us is different most of us don't care what these people care about.

[@MrLeroy8562]

😊

[@shadmanhasan4205]

Y tf isn't a top comment?

[@lueysixty-six7300]

To be fair.. with writing, they always say to "write what you know". → John Grisham writes legal thrillers, because he was a practicing lawyer for >20 years. → Stephen King writes horror because.... well, because he is a creepy weirdo! 😄 → And Ms Kalif writes misandrist h8 because .. she's a humble humanitarian & philanthropist... - 💥🤦🏻‍♂️No, dummy! It's because she's a man hating fembo, regurgitating woke h8, to make herself feel better about why the Ryan Goslings don't fall at her feet, smitten beyond all reason.

[@Cam_Can_Play]

It's a bad sign that Mindy Kaling wanted to create a character that she would identify with, then made that character whiney, annoying, and an absolute nightmare to be around.

[@taryn_b]

Its just sad that she had to do that to an already existing character that was great

[@Nr4747]

I mean: She admitted to having sexually assaulted a cast member on set and having gotten away with it because she was the producer . . .

[@mikethegoo]

And then named the shallow qualities Velma has as examples of how she identified with the character. "Oh, she is so pretty and has glasses, I identify with that" AKA, she just called herself hot with glasses... And I guess smart, which, from experience, is also something you should only let other people say about you

[@101Volts]

​@@mikethegoo Even the Bible says "Let someone else praise you, and not your own mouth."* People can get a warped sense of themselves by patting themselves on the back. Granted that if you do the same _good_ thing twice, and you were praised for it once already the earlier time, then remembering that praise shouldn't be a problem - it ought to still apply. * Proverbs 27:2, cut down a bit without losing meaning. And to think this proverb was penned over 2,500 years ago? Some things just never change.

[@mikethegoo]

@@101Volts I mean, it just sounds like bragging. For example, I don't call myself smart. I know I'm an idiot, but I just say that according to the tests, I SHOULD be smart. And like... Often being something comes down to the opinion of other people. You can feel pretty, but if nobody agrees, you aren't pretty

[@FoxLosst]

She literally went "I'm so glad the casting director considered me for the lead role, and as the casting director, I'd just like to say that I'm sure that I'll do the role justice" And thought that people would back her up

[@british35]

That is literally the meme of Obama giving himself a reward

[@FoxLosst]

@@british35YES

[@sirkelendor5429]

​@@british35literally that

[@wickedshadesproductions5254]

The casting director must have been high

[@heinrichze-france4089]

Technically, it seems everyone who worked on the show were yes-men.

[@dixienormous4157]

Mindy clearly wasn’t popular in high school and now that she’s “famous” she’s taking every chance to take jabs at the cool girls. Pretty sad for a 40 year old adult

[@kirbo9499]

It’s not surprising she wasn’t popular. Especially if she acted in even half of the way Velma was portrayed to

[@ahstiasummers5583]

@@kirbo9499Velma is probably Mindy’s revenge fantasy on all the cool kids in her high school

[@rinapop2681]

Mindy always gives me the energy of the girl who wasn't that cool in high school , but now makes it everyone else's problem as an adult

[@KateCat420]

Oh my gosh she absolutely is

[@AxleTrade]

The way Velma acts is probably how Mindy acted in high school. Going through dumpsters and eating food from there included.

[@grandempressvicky6387]

Definitely gives the Shane Dawson vibe. She even does the whole "pity me because people didn't like me at school" with Velma being a victim all the time (no matter how justified).

[@justacatwithasadface2692]

So she's Onision? 😂

[@tavern2468]

That sounds very accurate. This Woman is just as irritating as a bad rash that won’t go away.

[@otakuemi4676]

"I think the talking dog is what really rooted it as a kids' show" Does anyone else remember Family Guy having a talking dog or did I imagine that?

[@bonedude666]

I think so? His name was "Brain" or something? Might just be a mandela effect. EDIT: Guys, this is a joke. Stop telling me I'm wrong. I know I am.

[@Nockgun]

@@bonedude666 its Brian you almost got it right

[@jamess6853]

May as well be a kid's show. Writings been childish lately.

[@remyrichardson8614]

@@Nockgun it was a joke You almost got it

[@thatswhatsgood24]

​@@Nockgun it's actually vinny

[@jankarieben1071]

The irony of “adult” animation is that the exaggerated violence and potty language cause “adult cartoons” to be far more juvenile than their “for kids” counterparts.

[@judahmoar2533]

Actually. No adult animated show has reached the depth of mature character development as adventure time

[@finland4ever55]

And can we stop Riverdaleing family friendly shows? We get it, Riverdale was an interesting take, but it became old when it ended. We didn't need "Sabrina the Satanist Witch", we didn't need "Fate: The Not Winx Saga" (Fate also completely erased the Italian influence in exchange for British, American, and Irish influence while excluding Roxy, the canonically IRISH CHARACTER), we didn't need the failed "Powerslut Girls" (Powerpuff Girls), and the upcoming adult Flinstones show (I'm not kidding, seriously). Stop. Riverdaleing. Everything. I don't want an adult Kim Possible or an adult Rugrats or an adult Phineas and Ferb or an adult Inspector Gadget. Stop coming after classic cartoons goddammit.

[@tiamystic]

@@finland4ever55 Oh god don’t remind me of that Winx show and that PPG one 😂

[@greenstarlover1]

​@@finland4ever55 wait, Roxy was Irish?

[@finland4ever55]

@@greenstarlover1 yes, tir Nan og her kingdom is from irish mythology

[@alekxander2670]

Mindy self-inserted herself and made every member of Mystery Inc. literally fall in-love with her. Just seems like she was tryna correct a horrible high school experience in some weird way.

[@dynostretch9215]

Mindy: "Velma is my favorite character." Also Mindy: *writes Velma in a way that's absolutely nothing like her*

[@burritofoe]

Well it's Mindy's self-insert so you can't expect her Velma to be like the real one

[@taftgaming820]

Oh I wouldn't say nothing like her

[@calemr]

Velma's version of Velma is EXACTLY like her. Her as in Mindy, I mean. A sexist, racist, narcissistic, sexual predator who pretends to be progressive as a shield for their hatred, and to self-justify their disgusting behaviour to those around them. Also, Fuck yeah Ghost Trick DP.

[@avacadostuffstudios6023]

​@@taftgaming820 they mean nothing like the character

[@daikatarokamegawa542]

No, no. You read her wrong. She meant "my head canon self-insert of Velma that exists in the fanfic I made up in my head is my favourite character".

[@NephilimHunter1959]

Anybody notice basically Mindy Kaling bragging how she identified with Velma because they're both attractive, incredibly smart and under-appreciated.

[@KGKSkull]

Even though mindy is ugly inside, braindead. And doesn’t get appreciated for her work because she didn’t earn or deserve appreciation

[@SuperSwordman1]

Yeah I noticed

[@pumkin610]

And brave

[@Abandoned_Account88]

Some people just never stop living in lala land

[@UlshaRS]

And glasses you guys, GLASSES!

[@corneliatjandra4500]

You know what this version of velma reminds me of? That kid at school who always laments that they don’t have any friends because they’re too smart, not attractive enough, and no popular enough for others. When in reality, nobody wants to befriend them because they’re a mean, raging asshole who cares about noone except for themselves

[@umphreak9999]

That's basically the plot of the high school reunion episode of 30 Rock, Mindy Kaling is more Liz Lemon then Tina Fey ever was

[@rappingbeaniedog347]

sounds like she suffers the "nice guy" syndrome, except not quite the same of course.

[@D64nz]

A shincel, if you will.

[@alexfriedman918]

That’s exactly right! I was thinking the same about She-Hulk. Tatiana Maslany is far from unattractive, but her character is convinced her problem with men is that she doesn’t look like She-Hulk all the time, rather than that she is an angry, bitter, abrasive, entitled narcissist, whom no one can stand for more than a few hours! Seems to be a common theme in “feminist comedy”.

[@maryianna912]

Just facts. This all reminds me so much of my friend, she is always full of self-deprecation jokes that mostly are rendered as ‘oh, us, WOMEN’, and the second something doesn’t go her way it means that everybody hates her for all the wrong reasons (she’s built a bit like Mindy, and everything bad in life is totally because she doesn’t look like a model)

[@katrinamyers4999]

Kaling talking about exploring sexuality and calling it “juicy” just feels… exploitive and uncomfortable.

[@thecod2345]

The quality of the humor makes sense when you realize that Mindy Khaling, despite all her jabs at the “privileged”, is unironically more privileged than a solid 99% of humanity and has been from day 1. She’s been in a bubble of non problems from the start so she can’t really really satirize anything that most people can understand because the life of most people to her would be like moving to Alcatraz deliberately by comparison.

[@RavenHaili]

I can't wait for a decade from now Mindy Kaling might finally be called out for being a racist and creating an entire show to perpetuate racism against white people. I just see her as so hateful through Velma alone.

[@rocksnrolls]

Hehe, irony

[@ryxrr7207]

Rich daughter of rich parents that never had a mid-class problem about... anything really. Trying to parody something that she clearly lied about liking by using things she doesn't understand. But people don't like it cause they racists, yeah right. The wasted animation talent and money burned makes me just really fucking sad.

[@JarmamStuff]

The critics have fortunately quickly pointed out that the closest equivalent to Kaling in the show is not Velma, but Fred

[@HonkeyKongLive]

@@ryxrr7207 Don't forget she went to a ridiculously expensive private school that costs $40,000/yr tuition for THIRD GRADERS.

[@silkmoth9302]

That clip where Mindy admits to assaulting someone is so sad and disgusting...

[@wordnado9788]

Especially since it wasn’t like she was method acting or whatever- she admits it’s just about wanting to kiss him and then threaten to fire people who talk about it

[@noinfo4789]

The guy is also both gay and happily married, which make it even worse (I've seen people try to defend her but then disregard the fact that even if they were method acting or something he still wouldn't be into it or have consented to it what so ever.)

[@cameronspalding9792]

@@noinfo4789 double standards

[@HurricaneDDragon]

Poor Lee Pace 😔

[@redwolfe7049]

@@cameronspalding9792 exactly. Hollywood loves their predators.

[@lilpurpskurp]

The clip of Kaling admitting to sexual assault and “attempting” to cover it up made my stomach hurt. How awful. Her claiming that this pathetic and disgusting version of Velma is disturbing, she openly takes pride in sexually assaulting someone and clearly is a narcissist. Just. Ew.

[@AVspectre]

If the anecdote was gender-flipped, nobody would think it’s a cute story for your talk show segment. It had to be - at least - approved by Kaling, the talk show’s producer (or whomever picks the segment stories beforehand), and probably a PR person for Velma… mind-boggling

[@JoeBauers8]

Trump did too

[@satriosukarji1777]

@@JoeBauers8 So? Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[@JoeBauers8]

@@satriosukarji1777 did I say it did?

[@EverGardens]

She doesn't even realise what she did wrong. I can't believe she just said all that _on TV_ like a moron

[@JackiMareena]

In my humble opinion: Mindy's hair stylist needs, no DESERVES a dam raise for having to work around the Gigantic head Mindy has grown over the years...

[@Treeeee2008]

Now c'mon, that's not nice

[@harveycrossen1690]

This isn't a love letter to the original series it's a death threat

[@lavacattoonz]

real

[@issacplaying]

If Mindy Kaling thinks that Velma is a love letter then I don't want to know what she considers a hate letter 😂

[@cristinamariabritodeolivei5991]

@@issacplayingprobably any future projects that (hopefully will not be made in the future)

[@issacplaying]

@@cristinamariabritodeolivei5991 we can only pray

[@cristinamariabritodeolivei5991]

@@issacplaying I hope you’re right about that assumption of yours.

[@65firered]

"Velma" is without exaggeration one of the most outright malicious and evil protagonists in tv history. Johan Liebert at least pretends to be a good person.

[@bornana269]

Johan wasnt the protagonist tho… he was the antagonist

[@65firered]

@@bornana269 Indeed. The titular "Monster".

[@viscountrainbows2857]

There are the main character anti-protag types you can love for how scummy they are, like Alucard from Hellsing. Then there's Velma.

[@najpotenicewolf934]

Heh, it's funny how I have just been watching Monster for the first time, just in the past few days (finished it).

[@gunsandroses896]

@@viscountrainbows2857 Megamind. One of those is Megamind.

[@clown-cult96]

The fact this show was trying so hard to be Family Guy at times yet thought a talking dog would be too kid friendly is actually the funniest thing about it.

[@biazarlordstarkuro4953]

Yeah the series is called SCOOBY DOO.... Where's the main face of the entire franchise? Oh wait she didn't want possibly the only character that'd outshine her self insert to outshine her toxic fake Velma...

[@Attmay]

Only because FG has been propping up this show with jokes about it. Maybe they should try sticking to jokes about IPs that were actually worth watching the first time.

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

Why does Daphne look like a dude in so many scenes? A dude in drag. Whenever there's a close up. ....or in the clips from this video since it's all I've seen of the show. Strong jaw and big head that's not Daphne......😂

[@breathair69420]

True. I think the Show will be funny and better with Scooby in it. Maybe making a mystery about Scooby being able to talk. You got to make it interesting.

[@GrifoStelle]

Thankfully, ""Velma"" couldn't get the rights to Scooby-Doo. WB flat refused to let them use the dog.

[@sjthjsdreadfather4867]

WB said “you ain’t putting scooby in that POS”

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

There actually is a scene in velma where when the camera shows what's underground you can see a skeleton of a dog.

[@greywalker505]

@@Mr.Malliquin666 If that's not a visual representation of what Mindy’s doing to the franchise, I don't know what is. And I normally hate it when people complain and whinge about how a series is “ruined forever,” so the fact that I would take that stance says something.

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

@@greywalker505 What's even more stupid is that they actually thought that people would love this abomination and the proof for this is that the show's creator literally deleted all her tweets of this abomination but forgot one to hide from the hate.

[@Attmay]

But they put him in every other piece of shit with his name on it since they bought out Ted Turner.

[@smellydot1233]

Mindy didn’t want an origin story, she wanted a mouthpiece to voice her opinions

[@jonathanbarnett2578]

That's pretty accurate

[@MrsStormtrooper]

Yeah, the show is all about her. It's the worst, most toxic self insert I've ever seen

[@fexbio]

Some shitty ones too, at that. She writes like a SJW caricature as portrayed by a MGTOW youtuber.

[@ArgentLeftovers]

@@MrsStormtrooper Like...if you're gonna self-insert, wouldn't you want to make them the most interesting, intelligent, God-tier person ever? Sounds to me like Mindy might have a TOUCH of self-hatred if she made Velma that completely unlikable

[@hardstuckbronze5880]

@@ArgentLeftovers Or maybe she's oblivious as to how unlikable she herself is.

[@PaladinGear15]

"She's the super smart one, does all the work, she's underappreciated, she's really pretty, she's just like me!" bloody hell Mindy, you're gonna dislocate your shoulder if you pat yourself on the back any harder.

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

I'm just going to say that having scenes like cockroaches having sex, nudity or swearing doesn't make the show adult it just makes it more childish and immature because they're literally thinking "yeah we're the adults because we swear a lot and have lots of adult jokes like stuff about sex".

[@aj.j5833]

Literal Middle Schoolers idea of what it is to be an adult.

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

@@aj.j5833 I've seen middle schoolers more mature than this and that's just pathetic, Mindy Kaling shouldn't be a writer.

[@00RoxPink]

​@@aj.j5833you said it before I could 😭 a child's idea of what adult shows are

[@Immeminne]

Cockroaches having sex is something you draw on your school’s bathroom wall when you’re in sixth grade. It’s not something you write when you’re an adult and want to appeal to other adults’ sense of humor.

[@Mr.Malliquin666]

@@Immeminne Exactly and the fact that Mindy Kaling actually thinks that this is adult and is what we would love is just unbelievable.

[@Helfirehydratrans]

One thing that I heard first about the Velma show is when they re-swapped Norville and it was a video of a black guy saying you don’t need to make him black to make him a homey. He was already a homey.

[@terracottagecheese2767]

I'll never forgive them for what they did to Fred. He was always my favorite of the gang. Sure he can be a little dense at times, but he's also sweet, funny, and kind. All of which I find really endearing. And the fact that they made him a terrible person while simultaneously being the butt of every joke just hurts me.

[@frankwest5388]

The best Fred joke in history is still the one where Daphne catches him reading the “Traps illustrated” magazine.

[@MyLoserBrain]

​@@frankwest5388 that and the "totally not gay" frat house

[@oliviamorales9406]

My personal favorite Fred moment was when he told his story on how he practiced trapeze, but then accidentally caused a domino affect after dropping his partner which caused everyone in the circus to get hurt

[@Will-jq2xk]

What’s funny to me is that even though they butchered Fred’s character, he still remains a likable character. They want us to hate him and laugh at whenever he’s given hell, yet Fred is given character development along with making himself relatable to the viewers in every way shape and form.

[@mr.r_r7199]

@@Will-jq2xk true, for all the reviews i have seen he pretty much caries the show, also i kinda like this re-design , the kicks + the belt detail looks good

[@fueledbymaple]

The creators calling "Velma" a love letter to the OG Scooby-Doo is like when Doug Walker called his parody review of "The Wall" a love letter to Pink Floyd. And if this is their idea of a love letter I cannot imagine what their hate mail would look like

[@marsmurderer9868]

At least Doug Walker’s The Wall doesn’t have a scene where Pink twerks

[@Frommerman]

You want animated love letters to 60s content? Lower Decks. That's a fuckin love letter to Star Trek.

[@ChatterboxFM]

“A love letter to..” always triggers this low-grade PTSD for me because I automatically see Doug’s face when I hear it.

[@SifGreyfang]

What was wrong with Doug's review of the wall?

[@marsmurderer9868]

@@SifGreyfang he failed to understand the story and symbolism, so his satire just ended up falling flat and making no sense. For example one of his big pieces of satirization is that the band Pink Floyd is writing these songs to feel like they’re victims and blameless, when in reality the character Pink Floyd is projecting his own faults and wrongdoings onto the world around him by victimizing himself which is the main conflict of The Wall

[@that_one_random_kid542]

Imma be honest, what weirds me out the most is because these characters are 15-16 years old going through these really adult scenarios in a show thats aimed for adults. All the nudity, drug use, and overall spite and hatred just irks me. They could've made them college students in their early 20's for crying out loud!!

[@Gohka]

I don't see this talked about enough. It really boggles the mind that they looked at a show about 4 young adults and a talking dog travelling the world solving mysteries and said "well there's no way we could make this in to an adult tv show... I KNOW let's make them all 15-16, let's base it during their school years and make them all INCREDIBLY horny, because I like thinking about teenagers getting it on" Like how have they not been ripped a new one for basically making in some episodes soft-core animated teen porn?

[@thaqiftalip2771]

Now that you said it, yeah. I mean, College Students are more adult oriented, right? And for the most part, it is fitting and less cliche than going on a Highschool as a teenager.

[@unimpartialobserver]

It's Hollywood. Being abused and exploited, self-loathing and misanthropy, and turning to drugs to self-medicate is part and parcel of being underaged in Hollywood. So, yeah, the only surprise is that they're being more open about it in a time where that powderkeg's about to go off. (Not promoting, just observing.)

[@kingagrabowska9366]

The writer wants to relieve their high school days, spitting all the ''burns'' they weren't able to and making themselves some underdog hero. If Mindy is even a little bit like ''Velma' which might be possible, it is her self-insert, no wonder she wasn't liked in school.

[@paulrobinson3213]

You think a community that shieled the biggest sexual predator and biggest pedo to ever live has a problem with sexualizing kids. Laughable.

[@evelynadams5794]

As terrible as the writing is, I think what makes it even worse is that it’s about minors. It’s not adults writing adults making inappropriate comments and jokes. It’s adults writing minors saying these things.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Minors often do this stuff though, or did you not go to highschool or get really lucky? This isn't adults making minors say this stuff, it is adults remembering when they were minors and what they saw or did along with other people sharing their stories, it is a reflect of their experiences as minors. You should be more concerned about how most media has violence if you want to equate fiction to reality as well.

[@evelynadams5794]

I am more than aware that tens do this irl, but it’s still wrong for adults who are well past high school to be forcing minor characters into sexual situations. Reliving high school doesn’t have to include minors and their sex life

[@mapytrix3982]

​@@Buglin_Burger7878 I think the point they might hint at is that these people's experiences in high school and whatnot differ from today, and write teens who represent today's generations living the same life they used to. The issue here being that their experiences may be unacceptable or just weird today. But I agree, still flimsy reasoning. I suspect Mindy and the others just wrote these experiences because they missed out on those themselves, like a amut fanfiction in which the writer self-inserts to feel like they've accomplished something

[@Samuel-ku1qb]

Supernatural did a crossover with Scooby-Doo since the show held a lot of history within the Supernatural universe. The approach was simple: take the gang, put them in a situation where ghosts are real, watch them lose their minds before updating their resume for future work. THAT WORKED. It became comedy for a different audience.

[@PrimordialNyx]

Check Film theory's video on it. That supernatural episode is basically the reason why some scooby doo episodes/movies have real monsters.

[@terryfunk1728]

oh yeah that was amazing.

[@greywalker505]

I’m not the biggest Supernatural fan (used to watch it, then lost interest) but then I saw that crossover and I thought it was excellent.

[@spectrecustoms5640]

That type of adult sooby doo in a full series would make an amazing show

[@daniboy4153]

Not the first time Scooby Doo had real monsters, but honestly that crossover was a breath of fresh air.

[@sd5371]

I loved that Daphne who is canonically rich gets downgraded so fred who canonically middle-class gets upgraded

[@srslywhathappened]

I was wondering about this, I'm really glad you pointed it out. Super weird thing they're going for.

[@aliahduiker7998]

Im now wondering if norville is rich? Bc I feel like shaggy was also canonically rich but maybe I’m remembering something else

[@ChristinaH2806]

​@@aliahduiker7998 Shaggy does canonically come from a very rich family in all Scooby-Doo renditions, but since this show is nothing like the rest of the franchise I doubt they kept that in.

[@RTOmega]

Right? Wasnt Shaggy actualy rich, fred's father the president but not actualy that rich, dafne being actualy rich but having a ton of siblings while velmas mom was a casual librarian?

[@benghist1451]

Fr he wasn't rich he just had style..

[@boringfish]

What's really fucking annoying is that Velma is one of the few teenage girl characters who is "plain" looking or conventionally unattractive but doesn't obsess over her appearance. If somebody thinks she's ugly she wouldn't care. If men are drooling over Daphne she wouldn't become jealous (nor would she ever berate Daphne out of envy). She has always been a secure and self-confident character and it's nice to see a young girl who isn't concerned with the superficial; she knows her worth.

[@animatorstanley]

I think most of us identified with Velma growing up. Not bc of her appearance or ethnicity but bc of her. She was unapologetically herself, she knew who she was and didn't care about others opinions of her. She didn't have to be the hot one, Velma was smart, witty, fun and yes cute, but her looks weren't her personality.

[@hello7032]

@@animatorstanley shoot, Velma was one of the first characters and actual characterization of someone I felt I related to. The smart dork trope but totally secure in it and openly and unapologetic herself.

[@bdpickett]

Ironically, you still end up finding more images of her on... certain sites than you will of Daphne. Girl defies expectations in so many ways.

[@thaqiftalip2771]

For a minute, I thought you are talking about Velma-Mindy. It's great that you speak about Velma-Velma. And I'll be honest. She is far less attractive than Daphne but she is still cute. Far better than Velma-Mindy. Velma-Mindy is ugly. No question asked.

[@bdpickett]

@@thaqiftalip2771 "If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it. "A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely." --Roald Dahl, The Twits

[@JessyDupre]

"Hey guys, if this were KZbin there'd be an ad right about now!" KZbin: "Oh, you wanted an ad? Here's 4."

[@PowerKnowing]

Underrated comment

[@alexeiwebb5159]

One thing that hurts me the most is that the VA for past Freds, who has been in pretty much all animated Scooby Doo's voicing Fred or others, was the VA for Fred's dad in this. How must that feel, VAing a character for years, seeing him grow and change and care for a character only to then watching this character assassination happen .

[@creed8712]

Frank Welker. Just say my man’s name.

[@currybread5298]

​@@creed8712 🙏

[@addex1236]

It's hard to feel bad when he had to have read the scripts and still took the gig and paycheck your making him more noble than he is

[@milkman1776]

@@addex1236 man's gotta eat, ricky

[@TheAce707]

Also VAs don't always have the entire script and aren't always in the same room recording. I think it likely he didn't and if he never watched the show doesn't know exactly what happened in the show. Even if he did, a paycheck is a paycheck and VAs aren't exactly making bank.

[@ZorotheGallade]

I think this quote by Doug Walker fits Velma perfectly (I might misremember most of it): "By trying to make it more adult, you made it more childish. By trying to make it more memorable you made it more forgettable. And by trying to one-up the original, all you did was remind us of how good it already was in the first place before you messed with it"

[@SpaceCase132]

Which review was that from?

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@SpaceCase132 The Lorax, I believe.

[@SpaceCase132]

@@ZorotheGallade oh yeah. You did paraphrase it, but you still make a valid point.

[@shilohbrutalis582]

Well said

[@Randoman]

​@spacecase8966 the cat in the hat

[@ElvenHeart457]

Mindy just casually talking about sexually assaulting Lee Pace makes me so mad.

[@ArgentLeftovers]

"Tee hee, I just assaulted him and threatened people's jobs if they got me in trouble...aren't I a precocious scamp"

[@natabugy07]

and that everyone thought it was funny makes me sick

[@ZukMyZik]

Reverse the genders here. See how ppl would react to that. They wouldn’t be laughing.

[@victrola2007]

Not to mention that he's gay 🤦‍♀️

[@osmanyousif7849]

@@victrola2007 , who cares if he is or not? Sexual assault is wrong period.

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

Ok but the conceptual Shaggy design at 1:28:27 is so much freaking better…?!? Still barely looks like him, but my god, the proportions are better, looks like he’s got the same personality, and his hair is more Shaggy too.

[@goingunder2548]

Yeah, he looks real cute actually, and you can kind of guess his personality (goofy and chill) just looking at his appearance, which is indicative of good character design. I hope the person who made that manages to get somewhere in the industry.

[@MrJentu]

Saying this show is “a love letter to the original,” is like saying a bear trap is a love letter to my nuts.

[@FlashyMcMuffin]

Lol

[@srbrant5391]

This is one of the best reviews I have ever read.

[@fatemakhan3843]

Mindy is the sole definition of the word "Privilege" itself. She grew up in a upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle in her life to get where she's today now. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually HER.

[@Barakon]

Nah, she’s the both of these characters combined.

[@Mr60Gold]

That's an insult to this version of Fred, sure he's bad but he's not THAT bad.

[@quite_contrary_9956]

@@Mr60Goldtrue, Fred is unironically my favorite character

[@Mr60Gold]

@@quite_contrary_9956 even though I don't think this show is funny, I gotta say that I find it hilarious that the one person they try to portray as the worst with privelage and stuff is probably the nicest one in the whole group. (He is still a shell of his former self but in all honesty, remove the small penis jokes and he could be a compelling character with his desperate desire to live up to being a "man" like his father)

[@YEETUSDAFEETUS]

@@Mr60Gold thank you he's the only one who wants to be nice and help people he's sadly the closest to the OGs we'll see I assume but who knows maybe Mindy will learn from the smack down everybody gave her for the first season

[@TaoScribble]

1:26:00 "I identify so much with Velma!" Then why did you change literally everything about her personality, Mindy?

[@vespenegas261]

Simple. She was lying.

[@AB-wm9vk]

No no I believe that she identifies so much with the Velma she created in her head and we all got the displeasure to see.

[@theidiot8381]

Yeah *MINDY*😠 you're not supposed to ruin her for the rest of us.

[@vespenegas261]

@@AB-wm9vk Oh man, I think you might be right. She would be lying to her self though.

[@JohnnyTyrant]

Them calling this an “adult show” just shows they have no idea what being an adult actually is. These are people who never matured past high school.

[@JeanMarceaux]

The more and more of these adult animated shows I acquaint myself with, the more and more I realise how few of them would actually be of any entertainment value (or any value, really) to adults. You don't make crass, violent, raunchy media to appeal to adults, they have all that in their life already; you make it to appeal to teens who desperately want a taste of what they think adult life is.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Yknow the weirdest part with Velma herself? Sometimes the show straight up ADMITS that Velma is a terrible person, and shows her actions in a bad light, but sometimes the show WANTS you to root for her while she’s displaying the same shitty behavior. The circumstances around it are all jumbled up too, because sometimes she’s even LESS justifiable with her actions when the show says it’s one of those moments where she’s supposed to be in the right instead.

[@stevenlannister184]

I think they see her as being like Rick from Rick and Morty. An asshole but an entertaining one.

[@petriew2018]

the problem is really two fold, and both are the fault of what is frankly incompetent writing at a shockingly basic level You can have an annoying main character and make it work. A really good example of his is the American 'The Office', where the main character was an annoying, oblivious twit most of the time. The key there being 'most of the time', because the show also made a point of showing you he was a good guy at heart.... just annoying and oblivious You can also go the complete opposite direction, like the cast of 'always sunny in philedelphia', all of them being irredeemable scumbags. But that only works because in the end they are the butt of the joke, everyone treats them like scumbags so you feel fine laughing AT them Then there's Velma, who's too much of both in all the wrong ways. She's an insufferable, oblivious scumbag.... that the show expects you to believe everyone wants to bang and is in fact the victim at every turn... because self insert.... yeah, that's the kind of bad idea any functional adult shouldn't need to have pointed out to them. This is the kind of character you both have no reason to like nor the satisfaction of seeing them get what they deserve

[@bloodarcher7841]

Unless people understand bad writing, they will see this and enjoy it

[@osmanyousif7849]

No better example can show this than final episode where Velma literally continues to insult Fred, in order to help the gang escape. But then when Fred ends up putting the gun at her face, Velma says how she didn't mean what she said but then cuts off the sentence by saying she sort of did. Honestly, I kind of wish Fred just shot her and the show ends there.

[@MrCmon113]

Isn't that the case in Breaking Bad as well? And plenty of other shows with criminals as protagonists?

[@brendanblair64]

I think part of why this Velma is so irritating is that she never sounds like she's anything besides mad or snarky, those are her two emotions.

[@homword]

Yeah and on top of that, she is so abusive and manipulative towards the others. How on earth could they expected audiences to feel related to someone like velma when she's just straight up terrible person.

[@viscountrainbows2857]

If someone like her exists in real life, they literally have no friends who aren't in their online circlejerk, because if anyone were constantly like this in real life? WORLDSTAR.

[@js66613]

And, actually, snarky is more personality, less emotion. So, really, she has one emotion.

[@jamesb1988]

Mindy's a horrendous voice actor. She has no tonal inflection.

[@brendanblair64]

@@js66613 That's a good point. What a dynamic character!

[@youthoughtaboutit6946]

Fun fact: in most versions of scooby-doo where wealth is mentioned, daphne is actually the one generally the “rich one” in the gang, which just adds a tiny bit more of a departure to the nearly non-existent connections to the actual series On an unrelated note, imo, “What’s New Scooby-Doo” doesn’t get nearly enough love, in spite of probably being one of the best versions of the gang (key words being one of, obviously).

[@Gerald-of-Riviera]

I don't recall the name exactly, but I have a VHS of the first Scooby Doo, where the gang sit around and talk about their previous adventures, and I remember the bits of background they added especially for Daphne being the rich one with a nice place with along with the help of her dad.

[@SAVOTYB]

Wasn’t Fred’s father a politician too or something. Didn’t his family also have money.

[@tr33chimes48]

​@@SAVOTYBIn the 2012 series, Mystery Incorporated, Fred was the adopted son of the mayor of Crystal Cove, but they didn't really show him with any wealth. I don't think he's ever been one of the more wealthy characters.

[@karimeortiz2349]

​​@@tr33chimes48 In the series considering his Mayor father always tried to find a way to make money so he's not as rich as Daphne but he was still well off considering his adoptive dad ran crystal cove as a tourist attraction

[@AceCluck]

Shaggy 's loaded too. And iirc Scooby's extended family had a bunch of prize show dogs in it like Scooby Dee. Heck, Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue's whole plot was based on how rich Shaggy 's family is.

[@josiahricafrente585]

The fact that Derpixon made a better adult Scooby Doo animation than a team of established Hollywood employees is pretty wild.

[@Itz_just_VICTOR]

I watched it and can confirm this comment's statement

[@DrDOOM-xs8jm]

Lol

[@Attmay]

Except that they did not.

[@tunnelcrawlerwaluigi2690]

@@Itz_just_VICTORgonna need the link to prove it for myself That’s totally the only reason

[@Itz_just_VICTOR]

@@tunnelcrawlerwaluigi2690 Derpixon Scooby doo, that’s all you gotta search

[@giraffe6856]

It's interesting how she says it like "Race doesn't matter, Velma is not about race" but yet decided to change Velma's race just because she relate to her so much. It's hilarious

[@unimpartialobserver]

Them: "I'm changing this character's race so that I can relate to them better." Also them: "If you can't relate to this character because of my--er, THEIR race, you're a racist."

[@HowToChangeName]

I dont remember Velma being as asshole as mindy

[@knitwitchpgh]

That's my thing, she could have totally changed her race, but kept the characters core personality traits, and none of us would have blinked. But she changed EVERYTHING about Velma. And then when we hate the characters total change for the absolute worst, they say it's because of the race change.

[@martianfilms9902]

​@@knitwitchpghyou said my word best

[@diskmort]

"Sure WB, the only thing to make character relatable to me is to make the character the same race as me"

[@harmacist6623]

What angers me the most, aside from the show removing Shaggy and Scooby themselves, is how they turned Fred from being a brave, capable man, loyal to his friends (with his personal strife and what not), into an overgrown man child that couldn't get anything right. The audacity...

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Well, Shaggy did remain, but he is referred to by his actual nams, Norville

[@alexjewett7455]

Shaggy is still in the show, they just use his real name instead of his nickname.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@alexjewett7455They ruined any semblance of him, to the point he ISNT Shaggy.

[@alexjewett7455]

@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 by that metric, they removed all of the original cast and just slapped their names on different people.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@alexjewett7455That is pretty much what they did.

[@cyanmanta]

Another uncomfortable observation: the show says Fred hasn't gone through puberty yet (even though he obviously has), but Velma is keeping a naked photo of him. So now there's implications of pedophilia and kiddie porn in the Velma canon. Thanks for that, Mindy.

[@unimpartialobserver]

She's definitely going to go far in Hollywood.

[@francisdoyle6199]

​@@unimpartialobserveryep

[@louloudaki_]

possession of cp is a crime regardless of the person’s age. so not only should mindy be in jail for sexual assault but velma should be for possession of cp

[@AWriterWandering]

This entire show has creepy CP vibes from the opening scene featuring minors showering…

[@LiterallyInklingGirl]

Not mention all of the characters are 14-15 yet they are portrayed very adult like and have two censored scenes of them being naked in the shower 🤢

[@bnsz8704]

Personally I have panic attacks. I literally have to think about what I have to do to not have a panic attack every second of my life. I have severe social anxiety so I barely socialize cause if I do I’m afraid I’ll have a panic attack. And the best way I know to help myself when I have a panic attack is to be alone and let myself calm down. Luckily I have always had one of my parents around while having a panic attack but if I don’t i know that it is very unlikely that someone will let me be alone while I am having a panic attack, which again is the only way I know how to stop them. Is scared one day I’ll have a panic attack without my family around and that I won’t be able to find a place to be alone and that I will end up having a heart attack or something idk. Puss showed it perfectly. A million thoughts a second flying through me head, running away from everyone, hyperventilating, etc etc and in this she just sees creepy stuff until she laughs??? Wtf that’s horrible. I could only imagine someone see this and then actually doing this to someone having a panic attack. AND THEN SHE JUST STOPS HAVING THEN ALL TOGETHER FROM ONE RECOLLECTION!!!!! Legitimately despicable how horribly they showed this.

[@hannahs3981]

I agree. They obviously do not understand what a panic attack is, and Puss in boots did portray it really well. I freaking love how Perrito calms down Puss, it's awesome

[@theresidentialrat]

so true, I also have anxiety and get panic attacks. to me it seems like this show is somewhat making fun of panic attacks?

[@hannahs3981]

@@theresidentialrat I wouldn't be surprised, they're way to comfortable mocking everything else too

[@NintendoMeister2260]

@@theresidentialrat I can bet they would’ve had the hallucination scenes be drug trips but thought doing panic attacks instead would get them immediate praise like with Puss In Boots. The obvious difference is Puss In Boots actually portrayed it realistically.

[@michalwojciul5951]

After something like 20 years I still remember joke from Jonny Bravo. Velma: "My glasses, I can't see without my glasses", Johhny "My glasses, I cannot be seen without my glasses". It was funnier than this entire series.

[@thataintfalco7106]

Johnny with no glasses is so much worse with Velma without glasses, absolutely horrifying potential for that

[@HiddenDarkHM]

That one-off joke lives rent-free in my head to this day.

[@kazemizu]

Johhny's glasses have a reality distortion effect. One episode shows that they make him perceive the world as on where all women want him.

[@AnyMEmdq]

That's because Johnny is amazing, and this iteration of Velma is complete, regurgitated, re-eaten, and crapped again, garbage

[@beaublevins2903]

The walking dead season 1 is funnier than this entire show.

[@ninjafrog6966]

Never forget the fact Mindy Kaling went on Conan to talk about how she kissed one of her co-stars without consent and then “joked” about threatening him with being fired if he told anyone

[@KristenDETW]

A queer and MARRIED co-star at that. I don't get how she not only thought that was okay to do but then brag about it too.

[@ninjafrog6966]

@@KristenDETW yep, and everyone laughed about it instead of her having her career does, because bragging about sexual assault is funny

[@aelie8198]

and the fact that the whole studio LAUGHED. it's horrific

[@josephtafur]

Wow And i thought her joke about having Ozempic parties was the worst joke she's ever made. That the worst joke i ever heard in my life.

[@Grim_Sister]

Just saying, if it was the other way around, she’d be raising hell. Hypocrisy much?

[@frankwest5388]

When you mentioned the Shaggy “alpha beta male” stuff I just thought of how funny it would be if a classic Shaggy were confronted with an Andrew Tate guy. Like imagine some self defined alpha chasing Shaggy around all day, trying to convince him that, since he is a skinny single guy, he must be miserable, only to fall on deaf ears, because this skinny single guy is the most content person in existence. And while the Tate guy is holding a lecture on how feminism is making men unhappy, he just making the most awesome sandwich tower in history, not paying a moments worth of attention, because as long as he has his dog, friends and dinner, nothing in the world could ruin his day

[@Ninetale3z]

Omg that could be expanded in a movie. The Tate guy being a side character that gets treated as suspect immediately for the monster due to how agressively antagonistic they are at the start. Only to not be the monster and gets genuinely offended that Daphne and Velma later discredit him as a suspect for being too spineless to actually commit to the act. Maybe, depending on the film time, the tate gut comes around to the idea that happiness doesn't stem from a certain way and apologizes for being an ass the whole time. Damn I want this realized now.

[@Grim_Sister]

Shaggy: “Like, I’m miserable now because, like, I’m starved. And, like, this place has the best fries in town. And like, me and Scoob can’t go in because, like, you’re still talking to us. So, Mr Tate dude, can we, like, finish this conversation after we get our fries and have some food for thought?”

[@quinnzykir]

Shaggy is an unintentional lady’s man. He’s just himself, doesn’t try to get the girl, but it happens anyway. And they part on good terms

[@RykerJones28]

I would absolutely go and see this movie if it was made.

[@KurenaiNanashi]

@@Grim_Sister I may or may not have heard this being said in Shaggy’s voice from Zombie Island

[@h3llb0rn3]

If Velma was supposed to be a love letter to the source material, then the only thing truly terrifying about it is the thought of what they would do to something they hate. That, and the fact that Velma's VA sounds like a sexual predator and borderline pedo.

[@JeanMarceaux]

Well, Velma's VA is a sexual predator, by her own admission on late night talk slow. For some reason, no one saw a problem with that.

[@red_the_draggoon9129]

Watching through this and hearing the crowd laugh at Mindy commiting LITERAL sexual assault is disgusting

[@KaiLucasZachary]

Yeah, but remember that men have it easier in society. Imagine a man doing the exact same thing to a woman. But there's no such thing as women getting away with something that a man never would.

[@halinaqi2194]

@@KaiLucasZachary Kinda of felt bad for Conan in that moment. I am not sure if it was rehearsed, but damn, she just admitted to a crime and Conan kept the mood in the room light hearted, at the same time as calling her out on it and she didnt even notice lmaoo

[@KaiLucasZachary]

@@halinaqi2194 Yeah, in all fairness, he was doing his literal job. I absolutely don’t think it was rehearsed. But as the host of a show like this, he’s not supposed to have it devolve into something it’s not. It’s supposed to be lighthearted entertainment. The fact that she thought that was a “haha funny, I’m so cute and quirky” story says much more about her than anything else. Honestly, respect to him for maintaining the atmosphere.

[@halinaqi2194]

@@KaiLucasZachary Yup, he was smooth with it too lmao, it flew right over her head.

[@leileyaravencroft]

To be fair to the audience, there was probably quite a few people who laughed because they were uncomfortable, they weren't really paying attention or because everyone else was. I bet later when they were thinking about it or rewatched that part they said to themselves: "oh my god she just admitted to assaulting someone and threatening the jobs of everyone on set!" It's pretty common knowledge that in a crowd people say or do things they wouldn't normally.

[@HosnaHooshyar]

you know how sometimes fangirls write fanfictions and they put themselves in the story as the main character and the love interest of every other character? That's exactly what mindy kaling did here

[@InVinoVeratas]

She's just like Chris-chan, only she's legally allowed to molest people in Hollywood.

[@eldritch-rage]

Thats an insult to those fanfics

[@aj.j5833]

@@eldritch-rage Exactly most you all knew exactly what you were doing. Same reason get embarrassed when I find certain novels girls and women enjoy on occasion that are hidden in same places guys like to hide things.

[@Mugruncher]

I’d rather be sentenced to an eternal hell of being sealed in a room with nothing to pass the time but a laptop that can only access Ao3 Mary Sues than watch a single season of Velma

[@honey__lemoonn1814]

Why that fangirl and not fanmen this is so stupid

[@italianspiderman5012]

“Talking dog? That’s unrealistic, cannot be done in our adult, modern tv show, now talking brains in jar’s, everyone being racist and horny all the time? That’s real life.”

[@Trular-kreyss]

You also forgot about the trial where everyone makes fun of a 15 year old boy because he can't cut his own food and because he hasn't reached puberty.

[@thaqiftalip2771]

@@Trular-kreyss How is that real life?

[@Trular-kreyss]

@@thaqiftalip2771 That was sarcasm.

[@thaqiftalip2771]

@@Trular-kreyss Yeah, I get it. But really, though. Even I think that accusing Fred of being a murderer because he is a rich white guy with a tiny dong is not only unrealistic but stupid. If that happened in real life, everyone will be disgusted by the level of utter inhumanity someone did there. Yes, it's a cartoon but cartoon are supposed to be entertaining. That is not entertaining at all or even remotely funny. It just makes us hate the Velma show even more.

[@Trular-kreyss]

@@thaqiftalip2771 "Velma" didn't even fucking apologize to Fred after what she did to him.

[@ShayLaLaLooHoo]

If I had to write a Scooby-Doo show that was supposed to be more mature, I'd probably have a pseudo-"Breakfast Club" setup. Shaggy was the school track star, but his anxiety became so unmanageable that he quit; Scooby-Doo is his emotional support dog. Scooby gets startled by a prank aimed at Shaggy and causes havoc at the school, so Shaggy gets sent to detention. Fred would rather fix an old car or vintage antique than fill out a worksheet to learn math and science. However, he causes a _tiny_ explosion while repairing an engine on school property. Detention. Daphne is one of the nicest people at school, but because she's also pretty and popular, people who don't know her assume she's a fake. She's an aspiring mystery novelist, but some of her "research" efforts get her into trouble. She gets detention after breaking into the teacher's lounge. Velma is a well-intentioned genius. When she notices a bug in the school's computer servers, she takes it upon herself to fix it. She gets detention for messing with school property. They meet in detention (with, perhaps, a fifth person there. Just to round out the "Breakfast Club" type cast 😉) and the four of them hit it off. However, Person #5 gets killed when they should be at detention (gasp!), and the only students who were known to be on campus at the time of the murder are...Shaggy, Velma, Fred, and Daphne. So the four of them decide to team up and find proof of one another's innocence. The stakes rise when a mysterious figure, dressed in the school mascot's costume, begins following the kids and threatening them to stop their investigation.

[@Animestar21]

Your idea for Scooby Doo kinda reminded me of Persona 5

[@ShayLaLaLooHoo]

​@@Animestar21 I'm kinda terrible at video games, so I haven't played it 😅 but from what little I've heard, it seems cool!

[@silverscorpio24]

It's beautifully ironic. "Velma" is a disgusting monster that now haunts the Internet, but if you unmask the show you'll see Mindy underneath it. And your mascot is an anthropomorphic dog. It's like poetry.

[@waltercomunello121]

it's like nightmares. if you manage to unmask the monster, it doesn't frighten you anymore, and you no longer have that nightmare. I kinda liked Mindy in Inside Out (Disgust - how ominous), but now, she's way worse than I imagined. but even worse, there's the fact that out there there's people that still live that nightmare, and can't see it for what it is.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

And the mascot isn't even in it

[@H.P._Lovecrafts_Beloved_Cat]

From what I can remember, there are at least two other versions of Velma that aren’t white. Hayley Kiyoko, an Asian-American actress, played Velma in “Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins.” And recently in the movie “Scoob!”, Gina Rodriguez played a Latina version of Velma. Those two still got the heart of Velma right, and no one had issues with them. This show literally has nothing original.

[@loli_cvnt5622]

Thanks for mentioning them, I've never even heard about either of those

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Suddenly Be Cool Scooby-Doo doesn't look so bad compared to this

[@kattriella1331]

Well, it's got ONE thing that's original: A universal hatred by the fans for an installment in the Scooby Doo franchise.

[@utatanepiko7087]

It almost feels different with those two, not just because they played Velma correctly, but the fact Kaling has changed everyone's races (except Fred's) to match their voice actors' skin colors. I didn't even notice it until I watched this video too that Constance Wu is Asian and Sam Richardson is black Its also a shame since Fred has always been my favorite character. Being a natural leader while also just having his moments of stupidity, like the example that was in the video when he was looking for Daphne, and yet Kaling written him to be a stereotypical jock just based off of his skin color (even though I'm sure everyone was white in Mystery Inc.)

[@GrosvnerMcaffrey]

Because they didn't beat you over the head with s"self righteousness" and pander to tokenism. I didn't even notice those until someone pointed it out and I think they should be advice on how to do it right

[@gor3ydemise]

another thing i thought was interesting abt the race swapping is that it literally plays into racial stereotypes: velma's smart and nerdy so she's indian, shaggy's a lazy stoner so he's black, daphne knows martial arts so she's east asian (and they sexualize her a lot in this show, which DEFINITELY doesn't play into how east asian women are constantly viewed as only sex objects in media). it makes sense for this show, since it tries so hard to be "woke" while at the same time being the opposite.

[@lightdarksoul2097]

I think Shaggy in this is like super against drugs and Velma is more lazy

[@MadeMeExist]

@@lightdarksoul2097 *_I think he's gonna get into marijuana later on, thanks to his father suggesting the idea_*

[@LowKiiSavage]

​@@lightdarksoul2097 nah, they teased him becoming a stoner for season 2 so he'll officially become "Shaggy"

[@Tony_409]

And she isn't even smart in this series, the clues are literally handed to her and she had Shaggy forge her report card

[@marctaco2624]

I would like to also point out that normally Shaggy and Daphne are the rich ones, with Fred being middle-class to moderately well off. Meaning they *chose* to make the Black and Asian characters poor (at least by comparison) and then *made* the one they kept white obscenely rich.

[@Hikouma]

Fred was the best part of the show by far, and the ending with him buying the mystery machine to go out and hunt ghosts and monsters because he doesnt want to believe his mom was a psycho actually made me interested in a follow-up. He was easily the most fleshed-out character in the series.

[@Steroyd666]

Cynic's prologue showing that: a)You don't need words to be funny. b)WB could have literally hired anyone else to make Velma a proper comedy show.

[@evileye3790]

They should've hired CJ himself for it

[@animezilla4486]

Warner Brothers could have said no to this project or give mandy some guidelines of what you can and can't do but the executives didn't either they deserve someone to blame as

[@magentapurpleyap5566]

Anyone who actually likes Scoobydoo will make a better show. Its common sense

[@Grim_Sister]

Jelloapocalypse has a whole video essay explaining how to write every Scooby Doo character in the best possible way. Hire him and CJ and you’ll get a pretty good tv show

[@joepiekl]

And that he couldn't afford the rights to Hurt by Johnny Cash.

[@alexfriedman918]

Mindy Kaling is intelligent enough to be aware of her own narcissism … and she loves herself for it, making her a meta-narcissist?

[@kubadzejkob332]

Also, a mega-narcissist.

[@bioticjedi3864]

Which in turn makes her narcissism worse. She's the type to say and do awful things then follow up with "but I'm in therapy"

[@Onewingerdraven]

I'm ... not convinced she's that clever.

[@Anthony-kp7sf]

just means shes a full blown psychopath actually.

[@aredub1847]

is she?

[@joebusiness4237]

I once read someone say "Velma is like if a hardcore conservative tried to write what they think liberal humor is" and that is the most accurate statement ever

[@pauladudleycreatfeat]

Exactly!

[@masamune2984]

Also, if a hardcore liberal wrote what they think other hardcore liberal humor is, or that would piss off conservatives. So long as they get that Twitter attention. Lol

[@NaviciaAbbot]

Agreed.

[@elfmonster1476]

I once heard it described as a hardcore conservative's strawman viewpoint of what hardcore liberals are like.

[@MassiveSwordAndCards]

I guess they weren't wrong, then :