How We Used ELECTRIC AIR CONDITIONING And POWER STEERING In Willys Wagon Wrangler Hot Rod! Ep.19

[@Rustomod]

A lot of people have been asking for an A/C update video HERE IT IS! kzbin.info/www/bejne/npfddISAg9SteMU

[@garyjones2582]

I had always wondered if anyone had ever done A/C powered by electric motor and you are the first ones to accomplish that, that I know of... I was trying to figure out a way to put A/C in a bug without putting the compressor on the engine... Well another great video and you guys are very close to checking this one off your list.. looking forward to seeing this one done.. See you next Friday...

[@Rustomod]

Yeah we haven’t seen it before either until this kit works very well would be great on a vw

[@captainobvious9188]

All EVs and the Prius and Volt use electric AC compressors.

[@hotrodray6802]

Not 12 volts​@@captainobvious9188

[@JerryCalvert-x9u]

You don't need ac. Just roll the windows down. What you DO NEED however is heat. You definitely can't live without heat!

[@chublez]

​@@JerryCalvert-x9u depends where you live bud. AK vs FL gonna flip which one you need and which one you can live without.

[@ChuckThree]

Hahah I’ve just started looking into electric a/c and was only finding expensive kits meant for air cooled Porsche. Glad to see you guys beat me to it 👍

[@Rustomod]

Yeah works great! Definitely recommend

[@JayRSwan]

My F150 has an electric AC. Has to be cheaper than Porsche units.

[@ralphsnow2337]

You could have shown the ac unit and how to install and hook it up instead of just talking about it.

[@kevinramirez4271]

Literally the reason why I clicked the video 😂

[@jeffcasper7299]

I had the same interest. The eBay link in the description shows the parts. Looking at it you are going to have a condenser/fan unit that typically is mounted in front of the radiator of modern cars. (It can go anywhere that gets outside airflow.) The evaporator coil and blower fan box to be mounted somewhere in the cabin. The compressor pump needs to be mounted somewhere convenient to reach the evaporator coil, condenser coil, and power. Refrigerant hoses between all three. Power to the compressor and evaporator box. Control wires between everything. Power wires are going to be beefy for a 12v pump. 600watt pump will be pulling 50A. Controls in the cabin. I don't see them pictured in the kit. Do you have to fabricate your own? It can be as simple as a set of rocker switches (very cool aesthetic) or as complicated as an automatic thermostat control for the pump and fans. (not that bad to buy/make). You'll need a vacuum pump and some gauges to test the system for leaks, pull a vacuum, and then charge it with refrigerant.

[@KABOBkabob]

Yeah what I took from this was it's gonna take a lot more holes in the firewall...and room in the dash that many older vehicles simply don't have.

[@speedfreak8200]

Thanks for the heads up, ralfie I'm gone

[@g.o.b.2558]

Please do an update on the ac setup. I'm wondering how it performs compared to the regular setup with a decent size cab. Great content as always 👍

[@Rustomod]

Definitely we are going to be putting it to the test on power tour so we will have updates

[@BjornFSE]

@@Rustomod Definitely looking to an Update...

[@JayRSwan]

My F150 has an electric AC. It runs the AC while the engine is off while I go into restaurants. It seems to put out a little less than a pulley-driven AC. It only really makes a difference when I first turn it on. Otherwise, it's plenty for 110 temp days.

[@54mgtf22]

Love your work, Chris (Pratt) 👍

[@beforebefore]

Regarding the "bigger alternator vs another battery" issue. A battery is not an energy source, it's just temporary storage and will not fix a "lack of energy" problem... only a higher Amperage alternator will do that. A battery can help keep the compressor running while parked. (if the alternator is spinning too slow) but only for a few minutes.

[@DieselRamcharger]

dont tell tesla owners that...

[@beforebefore]

@@DieselRamcharger Tesla owners know, that's why they plug in the car - to connect it to the Source of energy, and fill up the energy storage device under the car.

[@DieselRamcharger]

@@beforebefore nah they dont know.

[@DrDerekG73]

thank you. came to say the same. Batteries only store power, they should swap alternator for high amperage , low rpm unit. I have custom 320a alternators and 130ah 30c lithium batteries in both of my vehicles.. mo' powa!

[@DieselRamcharger]

@@DrDerekG73 just run the ac off teh engine and stop wasting all that energy converting from one source to another. all the heat your alternators, batteries, cabling etc creates is lost efficiency.

[@GoTerry]

I think it's one of the best home builds I've seen in a while, I like the combination

[@Rustomod]

Thanks!

[@BigBlueMotors]

Thanks for the info on the 12 volt a/c and electric steering. I have a Cummings 3.3 XJ project to complete and was trying to figure those things out. Nice project.

[@Rustomod]

Thanks!

[@kasuraga]

oh man, electric AC. That's gonna be a great solution for my integra when the time comes to overhaul it. With plans to turbo it, packaging an ac compressor is rough, but with an electric system I can mount it pretty much anywhere. Definitely looking forwards to seeing updates on how well it works

[@edrannou3914]

My friend built a 61 in 1978. He cut the front gasket halves off a parts car for the rear seat windows and had a glass guy put a single pane in that location. Less water infiltration that way. Small block Chevy and a turbo 350, stock axles. Nice build, sold to a guy in Florida. Maroon with white side insert.

[@alec4672]

Okay I'm in the process of converting an ambulance into a mobile shop. So sometimes I'll be able to plug in. I wanted to use the factory AC without the motor running, and this is exactly what I was looking for. I thought this was going to be way complicated with 2 separate pumps, this is way easier.

[@Rustomod]

Cool!

[@kylewest100]

I’ve got a 90’ barn door suburban I’m looking to upgrade the AC on. My thinking is it’d be a huge upgrade doing this for the rear AC and get a sanden upgrade compressor and condenser for the front.

[@robertmitchell6118]

Definitely looking into this now. What are you using ti control the fan speed and cool/heat controls?

[@Rustomod]

Yeah it controls everything pretty neat unit comes with knobs and everything to control climate

[@robertmitchell6118]

@@Rustomod thanks for the heads up

[@roodick85]

Yup I used to camp out with my Nissan Leaf they have these AC/heat pumps that run all night with little power. If you want a cheap power source check out hybrid batteries theyre 100-250 a piece and will run 12v

[@billbayer5526]

It's great having another battery but you're going to NEED a much larger alternator. I assume you're going to have the PS pump running all the time. That's probably, I'm guessing, 20 or 30amps. The AC compressor is going to be a power hog. That's the reason no OEM's run electric AC on non hybrid or electric vehicles. I'd guess on a hot day that compressor will pull 60 to 100 amps. Not only will you need a big alternator but you'll need a big wire kit for it as it will be producing a lot of amperage. This is a fantastic project! I just found you guys and look forward to seeing how it goes.

[@billbayer5526]

I was curious about the power draw of this AC system so I sent them a message. Yep, their system pulls 1100W. That works out at just under 100amps. You'll need at least a 150 or better yet 200amp alternator to keep your system charged no matter how many batteries you have. Alternators are not rated for their continuous output. They are in fact quite inefficient and will overheat if made to work at 100% duty cycle. Sorry if you already knew all of this and have considered it but I wanted to say something. Good luck!!

[@DrDerekG73]

@@billbayer5526 270a low rpm Singer unit would be perfect.

[@marvinsauer8493]

The Jeep 4xEs have electric AC and electric power steering from the factory. They both work great!

[@MikeGilbert-zm9lb]

This is important for folks in the south we are dependent on AC almost all mouths its always about having heat

[@cdoublejj]

pretty cool stuff. wonder if you could make it so it's shore power like an RV to top off batteries and run the A/C lol ...well i guess if you could it would make sleeping in it easier lol

[@ralphbuschman3364]

I drove one of those when i learned to drive, low first gear was 5 miles an hour.

[@jaysaw8151]

Iv got a 37 ford ..it's a chevy chassis and running gear ...I'm trying to think and figure about an ac unit for it ..I'm thinking of a Amazon unit ..electric unit lines the condenser and the fan and also the under Dash unit ....but what about a dryer I don't know anything about ac really ..I used to rebuild air compressors and keep them from leaking down and tune the switch and all

[@carlcolby1050]

I see you guys added stainless steel hoses for the A/C. Did you video this or have the parts list for it.

[@Rustomod]

It came with the kit

[@tababobi]

Instead of the Mini pump, why not go with a column mounted fully electric steering system, either a kit or from a pick-a-part?

[@Rustomod]

We didn’t have the room for an electric column we actually have one but it’s too big

[@larryalexander4833]

Hello i found your channel and video. The 12volt ac unit . I have looking at a kit on ebay . So you used shark bite and copper tubing for the pressure lines ?? I want to put a kit on a 88 yj

[@Rustomod]

Yep that’s what we did

[@larryalexander4833]

@@Rustomod thanks for the response. Is it still working well

[@jodydewey]

what kind of controls comes with the AC kit? I don't see what turns it on or selects temp

[@Rustomod]

It has some basic knobs but we changed them out to fit the Willy’s dash we made

[@GR7Media]

hi do you need ac pressure switch to turn off/on the ac compressor like OEM ones?

[@Rustomod]

Yes

[@SGCXD]

Very cool build! Is there any benefit to using the electric ac over the stock equipment in something like an OBS Ford?

[@Rustomod]

I’d use stock ac if you can fit it

[@ovalwingnut]

Ver COoL (no pun intended:). That Willys body, modern frame and running gear RoCkS. The best of both worlds. I have a similar issue with my alternator. That is, no room. I wonder if I can get a "electric version"?

[@Rustomod]

Haha not sure about that

[@murraymadness4674]

The 2004+ prius has an electric a/c unit, but it doesnt run on 12v dc, so it is more complicated to run it (but some have). The 2008 ish volvo's have 12v electric power steering pump, it is bigger than the unit you show but it includes the reservoir. I'm putting my 53 Willys Panel on a 2-door explorer chassis and powering it with a 3.0 v6 from a jaguar s-type (duratec 240hp). I also have a 47 willys truck cab going on a 5.0 explorer chassis awd, although it sits up like a truck and now I'm thinking to make it low slung hotrod/ratrod, the explorer chassis won't work for that. What are you doing for defrost?? I was trying to use the explorer firewall/dash air handling but the willys is so different it won't work.

[@Rustomod]

The electric AC unit has a placement for a defrost duct we routed it to the stock willys defrost vents. We were debating on using the volvo pump and the mini cooper pump the mini we could mount easily so we did that and it works fantastic!

[@ronreyes8275]

Sir, what brand is the electric ac compressor. And, can you share the wiring diagram. Thanks in advance

[@Rustomod]

We got it on eBay there is a link in description

[@DrFiero]

@@Rustomod - that's for the whole kit. I'd also be interested in some details off the compressor itself. If you could! :)

[@inamalabrory8413]

where was the heavy duty alternator?

[@paulheuer5809]

Alternator now takes the load as opposed to the belt driven compressor. Energy has to come from somewhere!

[@pauljanssen7594]

The only thing bad about electric air conditioning on a 12-volt system it's a 12-volt system amperage is quite high you need a really big alternator.

[@MichaelWysocki-ks5xt]

I was just going to say - ‘ where are you putting the 600 amp alternator? ‘

[@BigRigStreaming]

It should only pull max 45-55 amps really even if it does get to 65 amps it’s still more efficient then normal ac systems

[@w3r3cow]

I'm really curious if that electric power steering unit could also power a hydroboost brake booster?? If so that would be really tricky for my 90 Big Block Foxbody!!

[@Rustomod]

I think that would work fine

[@78gagta78]

Sharkbite says their fittings are not for use in automotive or any refrigerant lines?

[@Rustomod]

They are for the heater core lines not the refrigerant lines

[@naveedakhtar4133]

Professionally done!

[@billdowers7342]

any updates on how ac worked out and how big of alternator do you use. just looking for update

[@Rustomod]

Check out the latest episode of the Willy’s we swap the engine and actually delete the electric power steering but this allows the electric ac to work much better

[@KC4MNE]

FYI the O-Rings in the shark bite fittings may not be happy with freon in the long-term

[@Rustomod]

The shark bite fittings are for the heater core

[@mick00000000002]

Your replay had no content . Of of thr words used. A comment. That can no read or comment What a great video

[@jeffcasper7299]

Cool thing with a purely electric solution is you could add some batteries and solar/wall plug and have something that has some flexibility when the motor is off.

[@oby-1607]

Most important thing is how reliable and long term life the AC compressor life is. No good if it only lasts for a little bit. Factory fitted systems last for years and years in most cars and trucks.

[@JayRSwan]

AC compressor is an AC compressor. It doesn't care how it's powered. Window AC units have been around for years.

[@damnitdang]

Did it ever get colder than 50 degree at the vent?

[@Rustomod]

I think we got it into the 30s

[@69A12SuperBee]

Wow! It even comes with the heater core too. I bet that thing works bitchin. 😂😂

[@ramseymackay1310]

I am building a 1950 Willys Station Wagon and would like to know how the Electric AC/Heater worked. I am looking at getting one for my build. Thanks

[@Rustomod]

Works good definitely recommend a high output alternator.

[@ramseymackay1310]

Do you have a video showing how you routed the lines from the heater and air conditioner into the cab and where you placed the vents?​@@Rustomod

[@KABOBkabob]

do you remember what size the included heater core fittings are?

[@Rustomod]

I unfortunately don’t

[@KABOBkabob]

Any chance you have the dimensions of it?

[@JMAGG]

I purchased the same electric AC kit you did. Did yours come with a drier and expansion valve? Mine didn't.

[@Rustomod]

Ours was mounted on the side on the condenser

[@JMAGG]

@@Rustomod there's nothing with mine. Not sure if I should add one or something

[@kylewest100]

Could I run this on a life po4 lithium auxiliary battery?

[@Rustomod]

That would probably work

[@kylewest100]

@@Rustomod only thing I’m worried about is torching the brushes on the motor

[@boredom.victim]

how's tbe TDI doing? got a Power Wagon and I thought about the little VW for mileage

[@Rustomod]

Check out our most recent video

[@boredom.victim]

@@Rustomod I already did

[@rodeleon2875]

how does the steering work if it loses power? in other words can you steer it manually ok? i know from experience that when i lost power on my truck at 50 mph i was barely able to get it to the side of the road. much, much harder than just standard manual steering. just a thought and love the project. big old willys fan here and grew up driving them.

[@Rustomod]

It’s not bad at all without power steering honestly the tires arnt huge so that helps

[@AndreenMotorsports]

How many amps does that AC compressor pull? Im looking at one of these for our Drag & Drive truck. Does it cool fairly well?

[@Rustomod]

Quite a bit running the electric power steering with the electric ac is too much for it unfortunately but if you run one or the other you should be fine

[@HogshooterHotrods]

Very nice build, I am wondering how is the electric A/C unit working? I am building a 1935 Chevy Sedan and want to use this kit if it is durable enough for a hot rod.

[@Rustomod]

AC works good definitely recommend a high output alternator

[@DVRolly]

@@Rustomod 90 amperes (Audi 100 C2) will be enough?

[@barrysnell6775]

​@@DVRollyNo. Current draw from this AC alone is probably around 100A by itself, not including power demands from the rest of the vehicle. You'll need to upgrade to a 200A alternator.

[@BernardBouchard-qq9kq]

You need bigger alternator not battery.get one from ambulace.

[@FuhQ64]

Any update on the functionality ofbthe AC after a year?

[@Rustomod]

Check out our most recent video

[@bobtomica9614]

You didn't show the alternator details and batteries ... Did you used 2 batteries and isolators?

[@Rustomod]

2 batteries one alternator

[@olewesgarage3304]

Question about the electric a/c compressor. I have a 1994 ford ranger that is currently undergoing an engine swap, and I am unable to fit a compressor due to clearance issues. So I searched to see if there is such a thing as electric a/c compressor and came across this video. So how is your a/c system holding up nowadays? (Assuming you still have this rig?)

[@Rustomod]

Yeah it works good we did have to get rid of the electric power steering

[@olewesgarage3304]

@Rustomod Awesome! So I'll go with that exact compressor then. Thank you. (Liked the video too, btw.)

[@pl747]

50 degrees is as cold as it gets??

[@CORSU2A126]

Un grand RESPECT à tous ces PASSIONNÉS.. 🙏😍

[@1marcelfilms]

Now you will need a 300a alternator lol.

[@milescarter7803]

It kinda looks like you put the motor mount where the air conditioner should go. Unless the front driveshaft is articulating through that whole area.

[@Rustomod]

Yeah the front drive shaft would hit it

[@siavelis5513]

one question does this connect to the oem heater lines

[@Rustomod]

Yes

[@siavelis5513]

@@Rustomod thanks

[@MichaelHogan-b8j]

that is awsome! how did u pair the 4l60e? or is it a700

[@Rustomod]

Diesel conversion specialist has an adapter plate

[@edwincolon7782]

I've seen many of those A/C hanging out of home made pick up topper campers.

[@duane3897]

Very cool build!

[@Rustomod]

Thanks!

[@Eric-ty1yi]

I've been running electric AC in my 1988 Kenworth cabover for over 8 years with no issue.🚚🚛🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@Rustomod]

Awesome!!

[@davidrowe5822]

Great! Make a video showing HOW it was installed because people are coming to this video because of the title yet there is no HOW in How we used electric AC.

[@xipi4595]

​@@davidrowe5822Just block the channel. I hate when people waste my time

[@robertd6925]

How's it holding up?

[@Rustomod]

Pretty good!

[@nicbr600]

taylor ray mentioned 🙏🔥

[@mauricecanney7472]

Been working in the prius for years.

[@krowbar23]

Just put a rooftop HVAC unit, like on top of RV trailers it look Racey 😅😅😅

[@Rustomod]

Haha

[@Topper-gf8xl]

There's a guy running an electric Studebaker and used a Prius electric a/c compressor for his air conditioning.

[@MaverickGrabber71]

I was wondering about the Prius compressor

[@hragencytraders]

We can provide electric ac

[@Phil-D83]

Quality of enjoyment improvement

[@Thumper68]

You mean engine thanks for getting it right the second time.

[@thomaswoitekaitis8977]

Dept of MOTOR vehicles General MOTORS Bavarian MOTOR Works MOTORcycle Etc, Etc. No one cares.

[@Thumper68]

@@thomaswoitekaitis8977 motor comes from he 1500s and meant to impart motion. Replace the word motor with motion in all your examples and see if it makes sense. Just because people started using the word incorrectly out of ignorance and now over the last 120 years has become accepted as a synonym for engine doesn’t mean those of us who are knowledgeable or do things like this need to continue to enable that ignorance. Engines are combustion. Motors are electric. Also a reason we don’t say electric engines because well engines as stated are combustion and motors are electric. Dept of motion vehicles General motion Motion cycle Motion mobile Ford motion company. These companies and different inventions helped humans impart motion aka motor along. No offense but your comment is exactly the reasoning that led to the problem in society. 1500’s was long before there was ever and engine.

[@thomaswoitekaitis8977]

@@Thumper68 I'm fully aware , didn't need a lecture. Like I said ,no one cares. You're splitting hairs on something that matters to like 17 people on the planet...let it go...

[@Thumper68]

@@thomaswoitekaitis8977 you’re aware of the facts and ignore it. ok whatever floats your boat I guess. Do you believe that gender and sex are the same thing? Or you going to go along with society on this one as well? We are a constitutional republic yet media keeps saying danger to our democracy. Why they want control in a democracy a couple states would control the entire country. You see my point? Language matters. Yes maybe engine/motor doesn’t have the consequences of my above examples but as a society we allow ignorance of many to be used by few to manipulate and it can have devastating consequences. But why should we keep saying motor and teaching it to the youth coming behind us.

[@Spiritof_76]

@@Thumper68 So what? Motor sports, Ford Motor Company, replacing them with "motion" is a dumb explanation. Here's an idea: when you hear or read motor used for engine, gloat silently.

[@pomnichowski]

Nice work!

[@michaelmorris2513]

Good job👍👍👍

[@shekharmoona544]

Class B vans have the ability to use 12V rooftop air conditioning units.

[@herbertbell9438]

I'd like to see someone put a refrigerated semi trailer diesel engine in a small truck or something.

[@Phil-D83]

Jay leno uses these

[@leonardcooper2680]

Electric steering I understand, would like to see more on the electric air conditioning ...

[@Rustomod]

I’ll do an update video

[@staseghrrhgesats1946]

Did you check the draw on the AC? Looking at specs on epay and doing the math that thing can pull anywhere from 80 to 160 amps!! Add that electric steering pump....yikes...

[@Rustomod]

Check out our most recent video

[@patrickkelly9679]

MERCEDES BENZ HAS ELECTRIC AC the inline 6 is beltless.

[@chalinp4886]

I’m supriced how many new cars don’t run a electric ac pump motor because it’s a parasite to acceleration and fuel economy

[@hotrodray6802]

FYI Its NOT Willeeeez... It's Will issss. Thats the way Mr. Willys pronounced his name. You're welcome.

[@barrysnell6775]

We know. And still, nobody cares. You're welcome.

[@DigitalConfusion1]

Wrong. Totally.

[@White-Head]

Nice

[@DrDerekG73]

Get you a 270a low rpm alt from Mike Singer. thank me later ;)

[@nooch8it197]

just fyi those shark bite fittings have a higher failure rate over 200 degrees, not a great idea for automotive use.

[@Rustomod]

They have held on for over a year now still working good

[@Pushyhog]

these people won the lot'tree.

[@andikaragilsapotro8803]

Pertamax

[@chaseledbetter5186]

Vw diesel? You must not work on cars daily haha😂

[@Rustomod]

We are vw techs for a living

[@RodgerMudd]

I guess this is a 90,000 plus dollar Jeep now.

[@Rustomod]

Shoot I wish haha

[@RodgerMudd]

@@Rustomod But is is very much work. I do like the 12 Volt ac system.

[@WilliamLaakkonen]

Dude- it is Willys- like Phyllis. not Willies like Phillies.

[@oliverroedel1111]

why would you transform mecanic energy in electric and than back to electric if you can use it directly mecanicly? makes no sense. use a mecanic ac compressor, that´s the right way.

[@Rustomod]

We can’t fit it

[@barrysnell6775]

Three reasons: 1. Lack of engine bay space. 2. Avoiding parasitic losses. 3. Because it's an easier retrofit for a pre-AC car. Do you even car, bro?

[@oliverroedel1111]

@@barrysnell6775 parasitic losses? you seems to have an magic alternator that runs without using power of the engine. I do a little bit, I have a shop. We adapt everything in everything, but electric ac, cause it´s junk, or electric stearing that needs the ecu to works correctly. I can´t see why it´s easier? you have to change the alternator to a BIG one, whats the problem to put a compressor in? space could be an argument, but if you need ac you had choesen the wrong engine.

[@barrysnell6775]

@@oliverroedel1111 Belt driven AC compressors rob horsepower. Period, end of story. This is a well known fact. I've personally dyno'd an engine with and without the AC compressor, and the difference was 30 HP. That's a LOT for something non-essential. The electric compressor is ideal because the engine already has an alternator. An upgrade to a 200A alternator allows a guy to run an electric AC compressor without changing anything else on his engine, or losing any more power. Really, you're making this way harder than it is. The benefits are self-evident.

[@oliverroedel1111]

@@barrysnell6775 alternator robs horsepower too, thats why modern are controlled by ecu, you acelerate and the ecu shuts the alternator down. energy doesn´t comes from nothing, it´s transformed.

[@chrishammon9627]

Who says E V s are popular ????

[@Spiritof_76]

All of the EVs and hybrids I see everywhere I drive. If you live way out in the sticks, probably not as much.