How, When and Why to choose Pre and Post Fader - Allen & Heath QU series

A brief look at Pre-fader and Post-fader settings. How to set each option, when to use Pre or Post and why you would choose one or the other
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[@joe5663]

The gem in this video is the part of how you can split the control for streaming!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx. Glad it was helpful. I agree that having a separate mix for streaming can change the game.

[@homeenforcer]

I LOVE YOU!!! I’ve been looking for this info and you gave me even more than I was looking for. We currently have our online stream as pre-fade and sometimes I forget to change the settings on the mix. Plus we also have the FX on pre-fade as well. This was so good. Thank you.

[@MarshallCommaDave]

Wow the last bit was very helpful for me. Thank you.

[@zachramirez1794]

Thanks Rob this is just what I was looking for! I have a Qu 32 and there aren't many good tutorials for this type of board! You're a life saver!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Zach. Glad you found it helpful

[@tablatom]

Thanks for the simple clear information Rob.

[@dustincampbell9387]

Good video - keep them coming on the QU-16!

[@evansmosomi6892]

Super handy tutorial! I was about to change my extra speakers into groups the next day but looks like the post-fader does the trick on auxes! BIG THANKS!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx. I do have another video specifically on groups.

[@evansmosomi6892]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 JUST SAW IT! tHANKS

[@kevystead]

Trying to learn more about these boars and the functions. Can you do a detailed video on personal monitor mixing thru an ipad? Cheers

[@franks4973]

Excellent and simple, thank you.

[@odbphoenix2820]

You just simplified something that seemed so complicated to understand. I've been chasing this information for more than a year. All of the countless articles I've read and videos I've watched just over complicated the subject because the presenters wanted to display how technical and smart they are. I think the visual of the finger just made it all click. Rob I Dub Thee Mr. Magic Fingers. You're obviously very smart but understand it's necessary to teach on a not so technical level which will enable the not so technical to understand. Thank you. P.S. don't point that finger at anyone!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx for the kind words. Glad you found it helpful

[@daniels8579]

Thank you for the video. Very easy to understand.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Daniel. Glad it was helpful

[@anthonycarrillo8390]

Thank you, Rob! This was very helpful.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Anthony. Glad you found it helpful

[@TheRealCalijokes01]

Thx hard to find a good break down on this thing

[@molerex100]

Great video!

[@ealingland]

Cheers Bruv nice and easy to understand and very helpful ❤️🙏🏻

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx

[@bestsample3744]

Concise. Thanks, Rob!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx

[@TheRealCalijokes01]

I have to save this ❤

[@gracelosianiga9808]

thanx for sharing

[@dcgreen1987]

Fantastic Rob! So for me to use the FX in the monitor 9&10, as I asked in your other video. This is what I need to change then yes? Sorry to bombard your videos with questions 😂

[@ymbmultimedia5034]

Thank you boss

[@sebastianscharnagl3173]

Hi Rob, just wanted to say thank you! I’ve been a solo sound recordist who specializes in bigger live streams, and we now got us a QU series mixer. You really help answer some of my questions so quickly! I’m used to simpler mixer / recorders like Sound Devices or analog Yamaha desks. One question: What would changing between pre and post do to a master fader of a mix bus? Example: If I set the Mix2’s master fader to post fade. Does it now follow the lr main fader?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Sebastian and welcome to the QU. Pre and post only apply to the channels and not to master faders. The Mix master fader is not affected by pre or post channel settings

[@legit362]

Thanks

[@Vtvanessatan]

Hi Rob! Thank you so much for this wonderful video. I have been using the QU16 for quite awhile and I am absolutely in love with it. I am currently doing livestreaming and it helps a lot. However, a lot of my clients do request I use Lapel microphones for my hybrid events, so I do need to feed their Lapel Microphones to the FOH as well as the stream. The problem I am facing here is that I do have to ring out the lapels for feedback and I do a lot of EQ cuts and compression on my FOH mixs and it will affect my mix on stream. My question is will the PFL mode still retain the global EQ as well as my compressors and gate when I send it though my Aux mix on stream? In an ideal scenario, I would like to send the lapels as clean as possible to my streaming setup and use Waves to denoise the Lapels so we get a super clean sound on stream without having the EQ to affect the quality of sound. Is that a possibility? Thank you so much for your time! 😊 Happy to have any pros chip in on this as well!

[@ben1lrivera]

Loving your videos on Qu. How about a video on how to get a good mix and what effects to use on a monitor mix that you are sending to a computer. We are having issues with getting a good mix for our church.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Ben. Great question. I can add this to my list, but honestly creating a mix is like salt and pepper. Everyones taste is different and what one thinks sounds good, someone else may want to make some changes. Mixing is more an art then a science and most rules are only guidelines. Are you sending to the computer for streaming or just recording?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

For ideas on getting a good mix, check out this video...... kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4S4mpyHZZdqnrc

[@markstoddard1141]

Great video. I use the ME500s through the ethernet cable for in ear monitoring. How do I set the signal going to the monitors to be pre-fader, but post eq, comp, gate, etc?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx. Great question too. ME500 use the “monitor” tab for config (for anyone else reading this). on that screen you’ll see that monitor output follows the Global Direct out settings. to change those global settings simply select any input channel then press routing button. you’ll see the options for Global Direct out. hopefully the options listed there make sense

[@TheViken1]

Legend

[@MrVinhguitar]

Good job Rob! How do I send FX like delay, reverb to monitors mix ( such as Mix 1, 2,3... So on.. In the blue strip on the bottom right of the Qu mixer? )

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Calvin. I’ve done a 2part video on using FX in mon mixes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaTahZKdm7Z3hqc

[@DilanJay]

I have to say I still kind of don't understand pre and post fade well enough. the examples helped a lot though

[@PacifierMusic]

Thanks for the video. I’m having trouble understanding how I should patch outboard effects to the QU24. I have 4 outboard effects processors that I want to use with the QU24. I have 8 open channels if I need them but I’m not sure how to use outboard gear with a Send/Receive type of connection on the QU24. There are no send and receive connections on the back, like many other mixers I have used. Can you help by pointing me in the direction of a website or video that helps with typical setup patching for the QU mixers? Allen & Heath doesn’t seem to have anything where it shows how you could patch these mixers.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

You probably won’t find much online on the subject due to the fact that one of the feature functions of most digital boards is to eliminate the need for outboard gear. This is why a digital board does not typically have channel insert jacks...processing is intended to be internal. There are lots of output options on the qu24 though, so you should be able to send a dedicated signal out to outboard gear and bring the return back into an available channel.

[@anonymissed3611]

Can you set 2 mix outs to track L and R mix for a true stereo duplicate, maybe minus an incoming zoom audio (stereo mix-minus)

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

You cannot route outputs to another output on the QU. You can however route outputs into a matrix (qu24 and 32 only - qu16 does not have matrix)

[@jasonsmart5979]

Do you know if you're connecting your IEM's through the dSnake with the ME-1's do the FX mixes still get sent and if so do they follow the same pre/post fade logic that you outlined in this video? I wasn't sure if when connecting through the dSnake it would still get assigned a Mix channel i.e. Mix 7-8, Mix 9-10, etc. Thanks for the videos!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Hi Jason. Glad you enjoyed the video. FX returns can be assigned to a button on the ME1, to allow the user to dial in the amount of FX they want to hear. FX send is only controlled at the board and NOT the me1, so the pre/post logic doesn’t change. You could also assign a Mix channel to a ME1 button, but again the configuration of that mix is done at the board and cannot be mixed on the me1

[@techsl8605]

Can you make video about "PAN" on mixer. Please I want to learn about it.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx for the suggestion.

[@ianalovera726]

Hi Rob! How do you that mix 3 to your streaming? Mind sharing how you configure that on the qu board? I currently have usb a cable connected to mac mini

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

If you want to send Mix3 over USB to your mac, then simply set mix3 as the source for USB ch 1 or 2 (Since mix3 is a mono signal and the mac will be "listening" to both 1 &2). I do have another video on this here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/kITXaKCblpuFnsU

[@didier55]

Thanks Rob ! Clear and helpful ! I need help and a confirmation from your part : i’m using à QU16 for rehearsals, and as I need only monitor mixes, and more than eight, i use the L/R as a monitor mix. My problem is that I think that the fx sends in the mixes 1 to 8 are depending on the L/R amount of fx. Am I right ? And what could be the solution to get individual fx amount in the monitor mixes, and the L/R. Hope it was clear (and sorry for my poor english). Didier

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx. Yes typically FX are set as postfader so that the fx follows the changes to the channel fader. Eg. When you bring down the fader on a mic channel, you (typically) want the FX to aslo be turned down. Without it (or prefader) the amount of FX would continue even though the mic channel had been turned down and even off. If you do actually want FX not to follow the LR channel changes then set the FX to prefade.

[@didier55]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thanks ! I’ll try it soon.

[@Dory971]

Underdtood, but if I assign my fader 1 to 8 , to a DCA does it affect my send pre ? post ?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Hi Dory, welcome to the channel. First let’s understand that there is no audio associated with a DCA. It is simply a “remote control” for the channel faders that are assigned there. It allows you to adjust ch1-8 as if you used 8fingers on the faders at the same time. It just makes that move easier. So to your question directly... if the channels are set as pre fader, then adjusting the faders does not affect the send, therefore the DCA won’t affect the send. If the ch is set as post fader, then adjusting the faders will affect the send, therefore adjusting the DCA will affect the send. Hope that helps

[@babapranabkrishnankutty3842]

Dear Sir, I have a QU-16. I use mix 9-10 for stage monitors. I would like keep similar mix of L-R mix for monitors as well. How do I make mix 9-10 follow the main L-R mix. Thank you

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

In order to have Mix9-10 “follow” LR, you will need to do two things. First on Mix9-10 make sure all channels as set to postfader. Second, set all channel faders on mix9-10 to the unity or 0 position. I suggest you go back and re-watch this video. I answer your exact question at 5:17

[@stevenslaght3043]

Will the fader move in post fade operation on the streaming example?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

If you are asking if the channel fader in a post-fader mix will move when you change the LR fader, the answer is No. It’s the signal level that changes only

[@angelvasquez5066]

Can someone please explain why is my mixer controlling the me1 sounds? For example, I turn up Ch. 3 on my mixer, it turns it up on my me1 as well!!! Does this have to do with the post and prefade?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Well since you posted this question in the comments of “my” video, I guess the person to explain should be me LOL. Yes your description is exactly a preand post fade issue. When changes made to the LR layer (typically your FOH) affect an output levels, then your mix/aux output is set to post-fade. To reverse this and allow the mix/aux (or in your case the ME1) to be independent of FOH changes that output must be set as pre-fade

[@greerjackson7781]

Hi Rob, Thanks for a very useful video. I have a question about the hybrid config section of the video where you have used post fade processing on mix 3 and have set all the mix 3 faders to unity including the mix 3 master? I am assuming that setting a fader on mix 3 to unity means that the volume level for mix 3 will be set to exactly the same as the volume level set for L/R for the same channel, with no adjustment up or down (because the mix 3 master and channel faders are both set to 0dB). If this assumption is correct, then if (for example) the mix 3 master was set to unity and a fader on mix 3 was set to -10db, and the L/R fader for the same channel was set to -20dB, then the volume set for mix 3 for that channel will be -30dB ..... ie. the volume level for a mix 3 channel will be the volume level set for the corresponding L/R channel with an adjustment up or down based on the mix 3 fader position relative to unity. Is this correct? Thank you!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Correct!

[@greerjackson7781]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Yay - thanks again Rob

[@MichaelGarcia03]

i wonder if u can post fade from an aux mix and not your main

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Sorry no. The pre-post status is always in reference to the LR channel faders

[@MRLECIL]

If you could please answer my question I’ve been trying to find out how to get my effects to go through my mix channels it’s only coming out on my left and right mains and I would like to have it come through I mix channel one because that’s where we got our live streaming coming from

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Lecil Cole sure. Check out my other video specifically on using FX in both LR and in mixes

[@MRLECIL]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thank you I though i might be simple I was just over looking. I'm helping run sound at church and have not ever you this board qu-32 it is very nice but has a lot of options that I am not used to lol.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Lecil Cole quick answer.... select the mix output then change to the upper layer of sliders. Adjust the FX Return as needed (1-4j. Lots more detail in my other videos

[@NightLightLive]

Thanks Rob. Can you post-fade a channel so the USB stream to your multi-track recording also follows the fader?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Sorry no. USB output can either pre or post processing, but not post fader.

[@jeffturner6384]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Rob, I see your reply and with your knowledge that tells me that I am missing something. From the manual: I/O Patch Setup - USB Audio The following sources can be patched: X Unassigned CH Mono channel (Insert or Direct Out) ST Stereo channel (Insert or Direct Out) FX Ret FX returns 1-4 pre-fader Grp Group (Insert or post-fader) Mix Mix 1-10 post-fader LR pre Main LR mix - pre-fader LR post Main LR mix - post-fader L+R pre Main LR mono sum - pre-fader MTX Matrix post-fader PAFL Stereo PAFL monitor It seems that I can still setup any of the mixes to be pre-fade or post-fade prior to routing to usb 1. I actually use a mono mix routed to usb channel 1 then to Audacity for sermon archival and simultaneously streaming through Mixlr audio streaming service. Does the above info from the manual mean that I can not have a pre-fade mix (not that I want pre-fade) to stream or is it simply referring to the fact that the usb outputs will only pick up the signal post mix master fader? Thanks

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Your orig question was “Can you post-fade a channel”. The manual as quoted says “CH Mono Channel (Insert or Direct out)” so my answer “no” still stands. Yes you can set a master (LR) as pre or post, but again just not individual channels. Hope that helps

[@jeffturner6384]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thanks Rob! I was not the original question asker in this thread but I still thank you for replying. I just jumped in because the context of the original question was relevant to my question. As a side note, I am afraid that the low usb volume with the Qu is going to cause our church to start losing listeners so I am debating going back to our Focusrite interface while I continue to learn the mixer. I hate to use analog outputs on a digital mixer for streaming to an external interface when the mixer is an interface itself. I have worked on the gain staging relentlessly but haven't reached a good enough stream volume yet. I plan to return to using usb outputs for streaming once I learn the mixer better. We had purchased it during Covid for outdoor services and I just recently moved out a Midas analog from the sanctuary to familiarize myself more with digital while deciding on a larger digital replacement. Again, thanks for your videos and sharing your knowledge.

[@donwilliamssr]

How did you get your q16 into that case? I cannot get mine in to fit snug at all

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

First just to confirm, I have (had) the SKB R100 which is made specifically for the qu16 (although it is a standard 19” rack so it will fit others). Next you need the qu16 rack rails which are not included with the case. Otherwise I had no issues with the fit

[@adanmonsibaiz3564]

Hello Rob, we have a QU16 and run a dsnake to the stage box. From the stage box we run a cat6 cable to a ME500, then have 4 more daisy chained to the first one. My question is, is it possible to have the ME500s in a pre fader mode? Cause they appear to be post fader cause all changes on the board require adjustments on the ME 500s. Thank you for your help.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Yes the ME system can run in pre-fade mode (and prob for exactly the reason you have discovered). The ME monitor signal follows the Global Direct Out Settings on the Routing tab. Choose Routing, then set the options to "Post PEQ, Follow fader Off, Follow mute On" That's just the default suggestion and you can adjust as needed. It most likely that your Direct out is currently set as "Follow fader ON" and that's why FOH changes are affecting the ME units.

[@adanmonsibaiz3564]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 thank you sir, we’ll make some adjustments.

[@adanmonsibaiz3564]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Hi Rob, so i went to the routing tab and I don’t get those options that you advised to change. All I get is the “Mute/DCA Grpup Assign on the right hand side and a tab for the house mix. Am I looking in the wrong place? Thank you for your help.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Sounds like you may have an output like LR selected when you chose the routing page. Start by selecting any input channel and then choose routing

[@adanmonsibaiz3564]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 ok I’ll probably have to do that tomorrow, I’m about 20 miles from the church and I’m home now. Is there somewhere that I can send you some pictures that I took of the board?

[@brotherbrian7778]

I cannot seem to select prefade for LR mains, the lights stay off no matter what I select, please advise?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

LR Mains are always postfader. That can’t be changed

[@gth648]

Hey Rob, would you be able to help me with understanding the Qu16 abilities more in depth. I've been mixing with it for a year just on a basic level but would like to expand my knowledge. The church I'm mixing for is willing to compensate you for your help.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Hi there...glad to help out if I can. Let’s start with a specific question or function you’re trying work out, or problem you’re trying to solve.

[@gth648]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 we currently have a room mix that I'm able to EQ but the livestream sounds completely different and raw. Is there a way to have a separate mix? I had someone mention using the "post fade" function but I'm not sure how it's done or if that's possible.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

There are a couple of ways to create a stream mix. Each have their pros and cons. The “best” option would be a prefade mix dedicated as the source for your stream. Prefade will allow you to create a completely separate mix for the stream as well EQ it independently. the downside of a prefade mix is that you have manage it completely independently. it works best if you have a engineer focused solely on mixing the streaming mix, and leaving the FOH engineer to mix the sound in the room without concern for how FOH might affect streaming. You could use a post fade mix so that FOH changes also change the stream mix which can work well if you are a working solo in the booth. it can take a bit extra work to setup initially, but can allow one person to create both a good FOH mix and a good streaming mix

[@gth648]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 so we have the main mix where I can EQ each vocal mic and instrument as far as the Parametric EQ and gain goes. However we have our stream mix coming out of mix 9-10 on the board. In doing so I'm only able to EQ the mix as a whole not the individual channels. Basically whatever adjustments I make for the room on each channel are used for the stream mix also. So the acoustics are different and the final product is sub-par due to the different outputs one being the room PAs and one being whatever listening device the online users are hearing it on. What way if possible can I adjust the Parametric EQ for the room and then differently for the stream.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Sorry no. The qu series do not have the functionality to set independent channel eqs per output. Only one EQ per channel

[@DJCENTIF1]

Should a camera be pre or post fader and why? Thank you

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

David Centifanto On the qu16 we’re talking about audio. Not sure how you would even set a camera to pre or post fader. What setup are you using?

[@DJCENTIF1]

Rob McLaughlin taking two feeds out o mono jacked two and three then routing one to mix two. And one to mix three. We have all vocals on mix three and instruments on mix two

[@shalemloritsch9382]

He answers this very question starting at 5:14 in the video. Based on his explanation, you can decide which is better for your scenario.

[@shaunpreston893]

Hi Rob Wondering if you could help… I’ve been recording a bunch of stereo L/R songs with Q-drive….. and they’re all recorded at a very low volume. Is there any way to lift the recording level ? I don’t want to raise the main master fader as I’m playing live at the time. Thanks Shaun

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Typically usb recording is based on Direct outs. The level of direct out can be raised up to +10db which is quite a bit. Otherwise the Normalize function in most software is sufficient to increase the level of the recording after the fact

[@shaunpreston893]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 so how do I raise the direct out level? Without raising the master fader?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Unfortunately I can’t post screen shots here buts it’s page 38 in the manual. www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-Mixer-Reference-Guide-AP9372_10.pdf#page74 Or search the doc for Direct Output Trim

[@chelhanvideo9891]

Rob, I am a videographer and will be recording in an out of town venue that uses the QU16. Because it isn’t practical to visit the venue (several hundred miles away) in advance, I’m trying to get clarity on exactly what I need to do in order to get a pre-fade out (via XLR) to my camera from the QU16. I’ve never worked with the QU16 and want to be as prepared as possible when I load-in, which is morning of the program. Any specific guidance you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, in advance! FYI, the feed does not have to be stereo, but can be.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Great question. Lets start by asking exactly what you will be recording? Is it a wedding with 2 or three mics? Or a conference with a single speaker/presenter. Maybe a concert setup with a full band? Is the local tech willing to provide you with a dedicated mix output from the board or are they only offering you single output?

[@chelhanvideo9891]

Rob, it is actually a very simple dance concert with canned music and a single mic used to make a handful of announcements between routines.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Ask the local tech to provide a dedicated prefade mix for your use. Assuming that will monitor the feed, simply ask them to adjust send levels as needed.

[@chelhanvideo9891]

Rob, thanks for the suggestion. I try to plan for worst case scenarios because too many times, I’ve arrived on site only to find someone as green as myself in terms of sending a mix from a board I’ve never worked with. My main objective right now is to make sure I know when I arrive exactly how I will get that feed to my camera. As an example: let’s say they are only using the first couple inputs, one for canned music from a CD and the second for an announce mic. For sake of this example, let’s also say I’m running my XLR cable FROM mix 5. To ensure I’m capturing a pre-fade from mix 5, do I 1) select mix 5 from the mix select on the far right of the board, 2) select pre-fade for the first two inputs, 3) set the first 2 inputs to unity .... then what? Or, have I totally misunderstood your video? BTW, I am able to monitor the input to my camera and have some adjustments I can make there. I just want to make sure I’m getting a feed from Mix 5.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Yes you have the right idea for mix5. Also just be sure that once you select mix5 you also bring the master fader up to the desired level.

[@mansoorshamsi7882]

Hi Rob, quick question. Can I get my USB recording to be pre fader so that if I adjust levels on my LR mix I don't feedback in my rehearsal room, but then I'm Able to get my channels recorded on USB with just the gain? Hope that makes sense

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

USB recording is already prefader (direct out) by default. Feedback from adjusting LR shouldn’t be related to USB. Can you explain the problem more

[@mansoorshamsi7882]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 I'm using the desk in a rehearsal space and I can't put all the faders up because I'll feedback in the room. But then I was worried if that meant I wouldn't get those channels with faders down recorded in the USB

[@mansoorshamsi7882]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 any advice would be greatly appreciated

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Again, USB recording is direct out by default so it wont be affected by fader positions. Just be sure you gain stage correct to make sure you have a consistent signal at gain

[@mansoorshamsi7882]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 when I record with my faders up I can play back and I get sound. But if I put my faders down and record, when I play back I don't get any sound (after putting my faders up)

[@aaronhayford3366]

We are struggling to get an independent mix on the ME1. When the FOH engineer turns something up or down it effects the volume on our ME1 in our ears. I am guessing this is a patching or routing configuration issue. Please help

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Typically an ME1 unit becomes its own independent mix with signals from assigned channel being direct out. LR changes should have no impact on the ME1 unless you have LR assigned as an input to the ME1 and are listening to that input

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Any chance you have a FOH engineer who wants to set faders to 0/unity then mix volume levels using the gain controls?? Its about the only way I can think that LR adjustments would impact an ME1

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Sorry for the late reply. Yes the ME system can run in pre-fade mode (and prob for exactly the reason you have discovered). The ME monitor signal follows the Global Direct Out Settings on the Routing tab. Choose Routing, then set the options to "Post PEQ, Follow fader Off, Follow mute On" That's just the default suggestion and you can adjust as needed. It most likely that your Direct out is currently set as "Follow fader ON" and that's why FOH changes are affecting the ME units.

[@jasonfoht6293]

Does anyone know if pre fader is also pre eq? Thanks!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Since you’re commenting on my video and not a user group, I guess I’m the “anyone” LOL… and no, pre/post fader is the last option in the signal chain. it is not pre EQ

[@jasonfoht6293]

Thank you!

[@BassPlayerAvailable]

6:02 Why are you setting all the faders to unity on that mix? Why does it matter where they are?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

In that example we decided to set the mix to postfade. Levels in that mix will then follow any change made in LR however there still needs to be a level on the mix. You could already tweak them to change their relationship to each other and LR but yes there still needs to be a level in that mix. 0 was just an easy place to start

[@charlespatt]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 so if I understand this, when I have say Mix 9/10 faders at unity and post fade, then I would still have the ability to boost certain channels by a little or drop them down a bit in Mix 9/10? For instance I found in our live stream some instruments may not be heard as well as they are in the LR mix, so I could boost them a bit by raising the faders above unity in the 9/10 mix. Or if I wanted to reduce a certain mic level in the live stream I could fade it out in the 9/10 mix while leaving it up in the LR mix? Do I have that right? Thanks!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

@@charlespatt yes that’s exactly right. Faders at unity in Mix9/10 can be considered a starting place but can certainly be changed to customize that mix

[@onzkicg]

How come sometimes a microphone or instruments volume is good in house mix but very low in aux (stream) channel?

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Make sure that your stream aux is set as pre-fade. This ensures that the level of the channel in the aux is independent of LR. If the aux is post-fade, then the level is first set by the LR level and that may not be enough to get aux level up where you want it.

[@onzkicg]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Thank you. Currently using Post fade because we only have one audio engineer to monitor both live and stream, that’s why the in house mix fader control is expected to be mimic simultaneously to the stream channel. What confuses me is with Post fader- the stream should behave like a clone of house, but apparently its not. Some mic is too low and sometimes some instruments volume are also not 100% identical level /sound wise. Not sure if it’s because KZbin auto limiting it. But you know what, I will try your suggestion will use Pre Fade. It sounds like there’s more control with that, might be difficult for one person but if that can produce better results then good. Is the Gain staging once done- automatically copied in the stream channel? or need to re adjust gain manually to all channel in stream mix? Thanks!

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

There is only one gain per channel. There is no function to set channel gain for LR and another gain setting for a Mix output

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Your stream mix may actually be a clone of the FOH mix, but mostly likely they will never sound the same. FOH mix is set based on how it “sounds” in the room. Acoustic instruments produce lots of sound in the room and mic channel settings reflect that theres already lots of volume so they are probably set fairly low. In some cases ive seen people complain that some instrument (eg bass guitar) cannot be heard in the stream, but in reality they admit they never mic the bass because its already loud enough in the room. The mix for a stream and for the live room FOH will be two very different sounds and cloning one to the other will seldom work well.

[@onzkicg]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 Great insight, I agree, Thanks so much!

[@huizylove]

My LR has a red light and i don't know how to fix it. The master is not letting me control it

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Can you be more specific about the red light? Is the level peaking into the red area of the meter? Is the Mute lit?

[@huizylove]

@@soundadvicewithrob3083 is been resolved. The outside sound was not activated. However, I have another problem: the inside speakers should be separated 1 for main singer, 2 A singers and 3 for B singers. I don't have it set as group. My problem is that only aux 2 is activated and 1 and 3 are not how can't do so? Thank you.

[@garethwallwin8971]

Your videos are excellent. I do the sound for my school's performances. We got a new qu32. A question - we use mix 1 for rear speakers an mix 2 for stage speakers. Why when I lower the channel slider for say a mic in main LR am I still hearing the sound coming from a mix, regardless of whether the mix is pre or post. (happens in mix 1 and 2). Thank you.

[@soundadvicewithrob3083]

Thx Gareth. If you still hear that channel in a Mix after pulling down the fader in LR then somewhere along the line that channel is assigned as prefade. Maybe you have added the channel to a DCA that is prefade

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