Howa Super Lite 6.5 Creedmoor Part 2

The Howa Superlite in 6.5 Creedmoor goes back on the range after some bedding work. I also get to try out the new Maniatis suppressor which I'm impressed with.
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[@Error-4-0-4-]

I got 2 of them in 6.5 and 7mm-08, and both the stocks were fine, nothing like this. I skim bedded them like I do perty much every rifle they both shot under moa with factory ammo so wont complain.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Nice man

[@geoffbaxter9200]

Really enjoy all your videos always informative and have great content and honest good stuff 👍

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Glad to hear it

[@SpudOutdoors]

I got a blem stock once for a sporter barrel but had a varmint one. So spent hours sanding out the barrel channel. Then I bedded the channel. Then I bedded the stock. It fits so tight probably could go without screws lol. But I torqued it to 40 inch lbs and it’s shooting lights out. I also shorted the butt stock. Added a thicker pad. I epoxied the end to have a place to bolt to. This quiet down the stock quite a bit. Turned out pretty good when I was done but it was a lot of work.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Nice mate

[@diggernash1]

I have a carbon Superlite in .308. The fitment on my stock is good. It is the burnt bronze/camo version with the factory brake. I haven't shot any factory ammo in it, but was able to find sub MOA loads with 130 Barnes ttsx and 125 Nosler Accubonds in 2 range trips. Varget is the answer for .308, as H4350 is for Creedmoor...lol

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Good to hear. The brake would make it easier to shoot. I'm shooting hamdloads as well.

[@jamesmooney5348]

Interesting findings with Howa. Another point of interest would be a review of your experience on manufactures and models from worst to best, being you worked on that many guns.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Thanks. That would be interesting to make a big list of rifles I have mucked about with and rank them.

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 I do want to like Howa... but the Vangaurd might be a better option.. plus Adam is a good guy, being a Christian pastor an-all.... Jesus is King

[@jamesmooney5348]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 one thing I like about Savage is their seems to be plenty and are a lower cost for used models.

[@jacksonkibblewhite9633]

Hey man awesome vid!! I just got a 308 superlite walnut stock as I heard the stocks were average, and put an aftermarket carbon stock on it! Just wondering if you have done anything to your triggers? I’m finding mine a bit heavy, have never messed with triggers myself but just bought a 1.5lb spring kit from auz to put in!

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Thanks, yea a good trigger would be best I didn't do it as I spent enough on this rifle getting it cool 😎

[@jacksonkibblewhite9633]

I’m keeping the trigger the same but you can buy aftermarket springs to lower pull weights they are really cheap from auz!

[@snoop2477]

Hey Mate, super interesting, will be checking my Sako carbon stock next time the action is out! Hey 10.19" no images?

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Thanks

[@AntoniGanchev]

I had a RPR for hunting, just sold it after my hand fell off during my scouting trip. I need a good “lite” rifle for deer. I thought this was it but after watching people review this rifle idk anymore. It’s only 4 pounds but at a catch it seems. Should I get a tikka with fluted barrel??

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Tikka would be great. If your prepared to work on the base of this rifle and have a very honed shot process and disciplines this will be fine as well.

[@LostBoysProduction]

I had similar issues with mine. Took a lot of stockwork with a chisel, and then subsequent bedding with epoxy. It shoots okay now but not great. Good enough for me if I keep shots under 300yd. If I did it again I'd buy the wood stocked version for $500 cheaper and bed that as usual.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Yea, my plastuc bottom metal is also having issues. Had to claim warranty on it. Howa should have done better on this.

[@LostBoysProduction]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 Yeah that's another weak point. I'm hoping Jefferson Outdoors will come out with bottom metal soon! I reached out to them and apparently it is in the works. It's a shame this rifle wasn't done right from the factory as it's an awesome concept and form factor. FYI, taking some 200, 400, 800 grit sandpaper to the bolt will make it quiet and smooth. Another thing they didn't do at the factory!

[@HerrGesetz]

I have had awesome performance from multiple Howa's I've owned but,, I glass bed all my rifles before I even zero them. Glass bedding is easy and cheap. Just buy a Terminal Ballistics bedding kit, around $50, do the work and you have a bomb proof rifle. Never owned a carbon stock rifle though so I don't know how durable they are or aren't.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Yea I'm the same. But these carbon stocks man....

[@stephenjones9868]

I own both a 308 & 6.5CM and neither stock was anything like yours, I did a light Skim bed around the recoil lug with painters tape on the barrel to centre it. Youve been sold a pup with that stock and it should be replaced under warranty. Accuracy wise I'm getting 0.5 Moa 3 shot groups for both rifles

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Draw the short straw. Meh

[@andrewcleveland]

The two howa’s I’ve owned were for target shooting. I ordered just the barreled actions and bedded them into aftermarket stocks. Both were under 1/4 moa with target handloads. Factory loads were mostly under 3/4 moa. So I had great luck with mine, but also never tried the howa factory stocks.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Good as. Ive owned a bunch as well but believe the stockies stocks are rubbish. The PRC cracked at the recoil lug after 4 shots and the creedmoor needed so much work.

[@andrewcleveland]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 that sucks man. I have no experience with stocky’s stocks, but pretty sure I’ll steer clear of them now

[@stephenjones9868]

Group sizes also shrink when you hold the stock forend, allowing the rifle to free fly and slam back down will open up you groups

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Hmm....my 300 prc groups fine free recoiling. I've always shot like that but will give it a try.

[@stephenjones9868]

@hardantlerhunting9691 I've done atleast 15 range sessions with both Super lites and with many proj and powder combos I'm currently running 165gr Speer Hot cors at 2700fps and if I don't hold the fore end groups double in size

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

@stephenjones9868 true. The rifle is really short including LOP. The stock is short. I'll try it 👍

[@stephenjones9868]

I bought some 10mm aerated rubber from Clarks rubber and cut it to size, picked up some longer stainless screws and installed so that the LOP went from 13.25 to more like 13.7inches, this made a massive difference in handling. Also the trigger guy spring kits are terrible for follow up shots. Too much like a pen spring they deform when bolt speed is too great and go heavy, cost me a couple of boars on the run, its best to just cut 1 coil off the main spring and re install, weight drops from 4lbs down to 2lbs @@hardantlerhunting9691

[@stephenjones9868]

Send me your address and Ill send off a 10mm stock spacer and screws, I made a heap of them@@hardantlerhunting9691

[@mbnz0174]

Useful video, thanks. Was thinking about buying the Superlite, not now. I'd rather they put an extra $500 on the price tag and got it right.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

100% . Cheers

[@The123Legacy]

Hi mate, I picked up one of these in 6.5 creed last week. Only ammo I have used was Hornady whitetail 129gn, the cheapest ammo I could find for the break in process. 3 shot groups at 100 all under 1moa. I to think you got a lemon, so please dont bag the brand basted on your 1 sample. Cheers Greg

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Hey Greg, good mate. But the PRC stock shattered as well. That's two How's out of two that needed stock work or replacement. Experience is what it is.

[@The123Legacy]

Or just bloody bad luck 😁. Ill keep a close eye on mine but very happy with the way it came. I did read some where there was a first run of stocks and then they changed things. The gye said make sure you get the upgraded stock, who knows maybe they had trouble with the early ones.@@hardantlerhunting9691

[@Flatdec1]

Did your Howa Superlite have a "Accublock" bedding system? Going by your vid. it appears it didn't have one..

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Nope. No pillars either. The stock compresses at 50 ftlbs. Weird

[@CREvothegreater]

is it a stockies brand stock?...

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

@@CREvothegreater yes.

[@bradleytyrrell4417]

Hey man I'm pretty sure the stocks are made and inleted from stockys stocks.. but that sucks man

[@loganmorton9304]

Correct they’re a stockys which are from what I know renowned to be junk.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

I can confirm.....

[@ziruk-king4466]

Before i buy a a howa -- howa and stocky stock need to get there shit together -- QC 😮

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Agreed. Or you have it glass bedded and away you go

[@ziruk-king4466]

Is that what you did?

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

@ziruk-king4466 yes. Terminal ballistics kit. It's a good bedding job but it struggles still.

[@joshuadavidson5279]

Was this the new howa m1500 carbon fiber stock-superlite on a standard 1500 howa barrel, I’m looking for a new stock but i don’t no if this kinda stock will fit or not

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Nope. This is their new action. Not a standard 1500

[@joshuadavidson5279]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 would u no if the new howa m1500 carbon stocks-superlite would fit a standard 1500 barrel?

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

@joshuadavidson5279 The superlite action is completely new and will not fit a 1500 stock shape. The bottom metal is different as well. The superlite carbon stock only fits the superlite. I have a 1500 as well, so I can vouch. I'm correct.

[@JB-yp6bd]

@@joshuadavidson5279 there is another model called the carbon stalker which i believe is a standard m1500 sporter action dropped in a similar stockys stock. cleavers in aus sell this stock to add to your standard sporter weight m1500. the superlite is a different action and barrel contour

[@SpudOutdoors]

This isn’t howa’s fault actually. It’s legacy’s fault

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Thanks

[@ibrahimc27810]

Howas barreled actions are great . Some of the best around regardless of cost . But that stock isn’t good

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

agreed.

[@JB-yp6bd]

they have a sub MOA guarantee, if the rifle doesnt shoot and the bedding is terrible why not send it back under warranty before shit canning them? and as someone else mentioned in the comments free recoiling a very light rifle might not be best for accuracy. FWIW

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Thanks. The old saying, "If you want something done right, do it yourself." I already claimed warranty on my prc stock and trigger guard on this rifle. A few hours of work in bedding, and this thing shoots well now. In my experience, most rifles benefit from bedding and really need it. Especially outsourced stocks

[@michaelcervantez3570]

The only thing that is disappointing is that the trigger guard and magazine well are plastic.

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

True, My bottom guard needed replacing as it broke. Princess rifle this one

[@michaelcervantez3570]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 ..Jefferson and Oregunsmithing are the two companies. Making aluminum replacements. I ordered the one with the hinged floor plate.

[@DrCarleyandAssociates]

I know you think that’s true, but they shoot like crazy they shoot Sub MOA and they guarantee sub MOA, I don’t know what to tell you, but you are wrong

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Good times

[@mrgabriale]

I’m lost for words to be honest. Bad product. Go tikka

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Yea, the PRC stock cracked after the third shot. Creedmoor stock was bad, needed heaps of work.

[@mrgabriale]

@@hardantlerhunting9691 I’m not a fan of carbon. Risk cracking

[@JimYeats]

The Howa action and barrel are great. Looks like they just need to revaluate their relationship with “Stocky’s Stocks”.

[@magic4221]

Howa doesn't make the stock pal, they were chosen by Legacy Sports. Don't blame Howa!!!!

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Sorry don't know the ins and outs. All I know is I purchased a Howa and it needed a bunch of work.

[@magic4221]

Key statement ,you don't know,so don't blame what you don't know. If you're going to speak with authority get your facts straight FIRST!

[@exNZFS]

Well ……if it’s something bought off the shelf as a howa then that’s all fair criticism as far as I’m concerned! Splitting hairs doesn’t help it looks to me that the action to stock fit is crap as Stan says - people need to know what they’re getting … under the consumer guarantees act I consider it fails as not fit for purpose

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

@exNZFS yea man. Just like we are the main contractor on our construction sites. Never would we blame shift our subbies for bad workmanship. That would be a lack of management on my hehalf. Building a good rifle isn't all that difficult either, just manage the quality control. Meh....

[@032254855]

need some advise on a short barrel rifle 16-18 inches with a suppressor what calibre would you recommend i have been thinking the 338 fed 95% of my hunting is under 300m although that would mean buying some reloading gear but with the price of ammo that wouldn't be a bad idea

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

Righto, Resale on a 338 is terrible so plan to keep it. The 338s have a harsh felt recoil too them as well simply due to the size of the diameter of the projectile. My opinion on 338 is it needs to be able to shoot over 250 grain projectiles to be worth the effort and bang them fast. Otherwise dont go past 30 cal. If you search my channel I run some short barrels on the 308, 270s and 284 win. The 308 with a 208grain projectile and a 14inch barrel still outperforms the 338 fed in everyway. If you only shooting to 300 yards don't look past the humble 308 or 7mm-08. If you want to handload and gain more velocity...build an 18inch 284 win around the 180grain projectiles. You will send those big slugs all day at 2650 fps with good handloads out of a short 284win. If you want to go a little faster then build a 20inch 7mm SAUM/ WSM or 300 WSM. I can think of 10 better cartridge's than a 338 Fed.

[@032254855]

you reckon the 6.5 prc would go alright through a 16-17 inch barrel @@hardantlerhunting9691

[@hardantlerhunting9691]

I wouldnt go shorted than 21inch on a PRC. They need the length to burn. Any 6.5mm magnum needs a long barrel. I did a 24inch 26 Nosler and it lost lots of velocity compared to the 26inch. Around 100 fps.