Hoy vs Forstemann sprint world championships 2011 quarterfinal p.2

Chris Hoy vs Robert Forstemann

[@brandonaranzamendez7870]

who else came here after he toasted bread

[@idoedits942]

Brandon Aranzamendez me

[@matthewk.2930]

Brandon Aranzamendez me

[@mcnasty690]

Brandon Aranzamendez GUILTY!!

[@rowanashworth8671]

Brandon Aranzamendez i am also guilty

[@gazzablackman]

Forstermann looks more like a body builder to me.

[@Otacatapetl]

A sprint is not a race against the clock - all that matters is who crosses the finish line first. So you put all your effort into achieving that goal. That means manoeuvring your opponent in front of you so (a) you can see him and what he does, (b) you can use his slipstream, and (c) if he attacks he will tire first. The man at the back has all the aces. You *can* attack from the front, but it's a difficult thing to do.

[@Andre83572]

Why do so many people think this is a dumb sport? It's down to both strategy and physics. When cycling FAST, being behind someone is much more advantageous due to air resistance, so the tactics involve waiting for just the right moment to launch an attack in order to win the race. Go out hard from the start and your opponent will just sit behind you conserving energy and easily fly past at the finish.

[@CastilblancoSS]

Sabemos eso gracias a Yowamushi Pedal

[@exposethem792]

Mr Pebbles nice

[@crazy10bears]

I'd rather watch them go head to head in an all out sprint. I want to see who the best pure athlete is not the best strategist. Maybe those kinds of races exist as well, i dunno i'm not familiar with cycling sports.

[@mauriciodenasau8243]

Cuz road bikers are slim pussys

[@williamdeely7836]

Dolofonos you make it as easy as possible for yourself to win

[@IsaiahNarisma]

never in my life would i have thought watching someone ride a bike would be so nerve racking

[@buddyjesus3720]

+championmotivation but then it's just sprinting aimlessly there's no mental side to it

[@sssamcz]

First person over the line after three laps wins

[@lukasadamson6091]

Buddy Jesus 80% of that discipline (wich is only one out of many you can do in a velodrome) is mental. Only the last bit is the sprint. Before they play chess while putting out unhuman amounts of power already.

[@Mattrickz]

Fostemann has mad legs but cmon this is hoy

[@simonrano8072]

under Sky medication especially

[@82vitt]

@@simonrano8072 Foerstemann is undeniably a full natty, isn't he :D.

[@simonrano8072]

@@82vitt considering his palmares we cannot assume his genetics did him justice. He never won any individual international title. Only team sprint on few occasion and a couple world cup stages.

[@BurbonPL]

Everything in Italian sounds as if someone commented any sport D:

[@Randy1337]

Son Goku

[@carultch]

+Might Guy Che Coza?

[@caseymonaghan6620]

seems as though the guy behind has the advantage since the guy infront has to constantly turn his head back and pay attention.

[@maherbenhamza2892]

That's bullshit you just push as hard as your legs can, thats what track biking is all about

[@enigmagic]

+Rostier Jenkins Spoken like a true dipshit.

[@Polioooo0]

+Casey Monaghan That is what happens when you are in front. You gotta make sure you look back to make sure there are no surprises. The one in the back is usually looking for any ways to make it past the person the front. In this match, Chris Hoy dominated

[@maherbenhamza2892]

+sceloglaux Go fuck yourself its 100% true, the guy that wins is the one that sprints the faster not necessarily the one thats behind. Specially since they always stall the race more or less until the sprinting round is called. Youre a dumbass sir. Like literally look at how much faster the brit was going his legs are going down so fast on that gear it's ridiculous.

[@Alexmorrison14]

+Rostier Jenkins it is incredibly tactical though, its not just about the strongest man, its the smartest ride and over multiple rounds

[@odenwaldcyclist8182]

Fostermann had a sore Neck from stalking behind...

[@masterlyden6883]

Chris Hoy came to my primary school on sports day and I acc had a conversation with him

[@arklat]

You make it sound so simple. It's not. As a young man, I was a match sprinter and kilo specialist. It takes much training to be able to have the ABILITY to perform "timing and tactics". In match sprinting, you must know the abilities of your opponent. It also involves racing TWO athletes in the early rounds. That is a different skill altogether. Strength, flexibility, fitness, quick reflexes, brains, dedication, hard work, and absolutely no fear are all required to do what you call "Simple".

[@stefanodepalo5204]

What has quad man ever !won! Hoy kicked his ass regularly.

[@Laminad18]

Big Dunk. The reason they use straps instead of clips is because at the power output they put out there is a high probability that you would accidentally pull your foot out of a clip pedal no matter how tight of mechanism you have. So the straps prevent this from happening.

[@domanoptricks123]

its a clip and strap combo. they cant wear one or the other. has to be both for safety.

[@AlexGreenwoodUkulele]

Yup, although, the clip for a perfect positioning for the foot (ball of foot over the axle of the pedal) + holding it in place, and the straps to help clamp their feet there. If he used clips on their own, he might have pulled his foot out upwards. If he used straps on their own, he might have pulled it out backwards. So with that, they both cancel each other out and stops their feet movin' about.

[@williamdeely7836]

They use straps and clips, if you have any idea what you’re doing it’s easy to put out your max power and not come out of the cleats

[@williamdeely7836]

It’s straps and clips for better power transfer I guess

[@rich.trails]

The straps also offer more strength than a shoe, for when pulling up. Even if the clip mechanism holds, the shoe material isn't as stiff and strong as a strap.

[@MrHamncheez]

i have no idea whats going on here

[@Diedrich92]

why are they cycling so slow, i thought it was a sprint

[@fredmachine]

Hjalmar Nyman They're saving up for the last laps, trying to get into the perfect position for the final sprint. In the end they're pretty damn quick I'd say...

[@YoungColCol]

Weirdest style of racing in the world. It's a shame they don't just race from start to finish like every other athlete.

[@freddyfredrickson]

fred col I was thinking the same thing.

[@njh451]

Divad Mlap There is no point trying to outsprint each other at the start, whoever is drafting will have the obvious benefit.

[@molomono9795]

fred col I think it's cool. Sometimes you see weird shit in cycling sports purely because it's outright more strategic than most other race sports and that makes it interesting.

[@joesr31]

no matter how much I read the comments I still don't get it, so a sprint is how many rounds in total? why does the dude keep looking back rather than just start sprinting once he reaches round 3 or something

[@paulantoinep]

Beassst . Best sport

[@ThaHives]

what gear ratio are they running?

[@meagar]

The only thing ridiculous is trying to compare a triathlon to track cycling.

[@awesomebroke]

2:55 it's like Tron light cycle fights.

[@amogh1773]

Give Robert a toast, it'll cheer him up

[@miktalu1639]

Hoy would burn a piece of bread with that power!

[@JamusMC]

im pretty sure theres a trigger to start the race. the second guy passing or coming to equal with the first guy or something like that, my buddy did velo but i cant remember exactly what it was. they arent just going slow to not expend energy.

[@ryand141]

Forstemann got that ex east German coach with the bag of goodies.

[@miktub1555]

I don't get it

[@justinchensley]

Since they are on wheels the person in the rear can draft the person in front of them, making them move fast while using very little energy. They go really slow for several reasons. So person in front can try and move to the back or so the person in the back can take off first and catch them off guard. I find it kind of stupid, its more of a bike duel than a sprint.

[@kenwithaK]

guys im just trying to understand,, and im not being rude, if this is a race, why are they going so slow at first? serious question.

[@ThemCubes]

Only the last lap is timed, so they try to stay behind the other, so that they can draft and slingshot to the front at the end

[@brunobaumanis7869]

Forestman looked like he had too mutch slow release muscles but holy looked to be made up of only 100% fast twitch muscles and that is why holy won.. Forestman also looks quite bigger than holy on my opinion

[@richardrace237]

Maybe if Forestman had a few bigger gears, he could put that extra muscle to use. The guy won by high rpms, it looks like they have a single speed bike.

[@rrace002]

Why is it just one gear?

[@crux321]

track bikes are set up for one thing. max sprinting speed. they have no brakes or gears and are super stiff and aerodynamic.

[@MrApache101]

When it comes to this, two athletes at max ability, muscle size means relatively little. Forstemann is an amazing track cyclist - however, if muscle size was the one true determining factor in his ability to sprint? Noone, and I really do mean noone would be able to beat him There are far, far more complex factors to consider when it comes to this, a large portion of it is just luck and timing. Pervis is a great example of this.

[@richardrace237]

That other guy has huge legs too. Just not quite mutant as Forstman. He has less body weight to move though. Power to weight ratio is possibly a factor. You also have to look at how much power they are outputting at a higher rpm too.

[@pepper736]

This was posted two days before my birthday

[@AaronSmith561]

even if it was posted ON your birthday, it would still hold little significance to be worth commenting about

[@bethmc717]

Great race,cat & mouse its a great feeling when you win hoy was in a good position to dive down at the right time and hold that line, The real mchoy... Team gb are the best

[@cyclend3397]

Col commento di Sgarbozza è poesia.

[@emth7084]

is the gearing really that big? does it really take them 1 min to get up to speed???

[@me-rn7jx]

yes its really hard my brother has gearing like them but alot less and its hard asf

[@emth7084]

Anoki Herbst dam.... i thought they were like "waddup bitch? wanna race? huh?"

[@me-rn7jx]

Stainless haha maybe

[@jonesjeremiah]

read the other comments

[@chuckd5877]

No. Look how fast they accelerate when they start going. It's part of the strategy. See how Robert was looking back waiting for him to accelerate before he accelerated?

[@fridshae6814]

Came here because of robert's amazing legs.

[@gregkisinger4183]

Can we watch this in slow motion? I think I missed something...

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

to Big Dunk: they're both clipped in (with clipless pedals) and held in with toe clips

[@mikeyoneil6389]

Chris hoy is the man although you need to be fast and strong it’s his knowledge and skill of when and where to attack on the track which is what it is all about the modest man beats the show man end of .keep making toast Robert leave the racing to Chris

[@MrMaltezernator]

WHAT A BULLET

[@labradog05]

can some explain why is the other one waiting for the other one like wtf just go??

[@cupcakefairy87]

Why is it in slow motion?

[@margaritamartinez.martinez6555]

*förstemann tiene demasiada masa muscular en las piernas y eso lo vuelve un poco lento para acelerar*

[@norbyrivero9471]

its a game of patience

[@arthurmchugh5184]

People always talk about the drafting, this is such a high speed short duration event drafting is not a issue. However there is a big adrenaline/ motivational aspect. The guy in front thinks/ hopes he is going fast enough, the guy in back KNOWS THAT HE IS NOT!!! you will always go harder chasing someone.

[@arthurmchugh5184]

@@kiyoponnn I know that comment was not for me !

[@kiyoponnn]

@@arthurmchugh5184 lol you're even dumber than I thought

[@arthurmchugh5184]

@@kiyoponnn how many sprint cycling medals do you have? Jerk

[@tinglydingle]

utter domination.....

[@lamrof]

WTF! I don't get it, why did the guy in white refuse to compete?

[@zambeegamer6450]

why his big leg can't help?

[@dominik8788]

I think foerstemanns legs are a cause of genetics defect with strong musclegrow. there was a report of it somewhere i think

[@ekonapalm]

Difícil entender

[@tiagosantosdasilva2457]

Why don't they run?

[@9RedJohn9]

can somebody tell me what is the purpose of that slow part at the beginning?

[@natanaelsilva7864]

foi lindo

[@a1919akelbo]

Anyone here understand why englands wheel was blinking?

[@ChrisSaint66]

vary gud

[@freeskier36]

The origins of trolling.

[@LittleBU96]

Thats the toaster guy

[@johnnybravo3554]

Robert Foerstemann's bike broke down? One man race.

[@3DNeto]

Hahaha, plus to you my friend, that's the only explanation.

[@jerrycheung6568]

Although you are right, and is unsportsmen like, there was a tactic behind that strategy. They were basically guaranteed a spot to medal, although they still had to fight for first or second. Why would they spend energy and potentially injury themselves for a match that doesn't even really count? It is basically like saving your energy for a match that counts. I do not blame them for their unsportsmen like conduct, but I see why they did what they did.

[@MichaelHoppes]

Strategy.

[@19alexander95]

Tactic.

[@kaguth]

This is such a weird sport. The way they start out slow like that and just look at each other.

[@car6120]

+kaguth if u go flat out at the start the other guy will just sit in your slipstream and destroy you in the last 100m.

[@kaguth]

I get it but it's just weird to watch. It seems like they should be able to change the rules to make it more pleasing to the spectators.

[@kaguth]

Who said I was asking it to?

[@Henryisvegan]

It's already fascinating! Who's the stronger, faster sprinter?! Also sometimes the bikes blow up or someone crashes. Good stuff.

[@adamfrench1914]

There is only one gear and it is a really big gear for one thing. It takes a little bit to get that gear up to speed.

[@wanpotutu1285]

I dont get it??

[@purcell2319]

C’MON TOASTER MAN!

[@marke6463]

3:32...what the fuck....just happened....

[@roter13]

i'm confused why did the german wait for the other guy

[@jeffreyjames8656]

They are saving energy for the last 2 laps if the race, as they can't speint flat out for the whole thing. So in the meantime its more of a psychological battle, trting to get themselves in the best position or psyche iut the other racer.

[@KrebSDani]

We must say that his strategy was wrong... or big quads doesnt mean great cyclist. Anyway, he did wrong

[@88bastey]

he has fast legs aswell, otherwhise he wouldnt have won 2010.

[@iamwhatiam6281]

a sport for natty people

[@NoahMnikea17-roblox]

they are using spoon close ratio...

[@JTSinnn]

fucking bossness !

[@lp7466]

Why do they go so slow at the beginning?

[@vendormiyavendorshiina8106]

he just toasted a bread using his legs, so this is a breeze

[@warcloud500]

you know he lost this race and got fucking rekt by hoy

[@bolomps38]

why do they go so slow at the begining?

[@temujin0911]

must’ve gotten tired from all the toasting he did...

[@WillSmith-qk1be]

mate. hoy rinsed him.

[@Zekurity]

I may be stupid but I don't get any of this.

[@philng99]

Adobo

[@fiziksdrop180]

I don't understand...why do they just roll around the track really slow at first?

[@avalovesit6049]

Why so slow at the start?

[@FMECCTV]

If you don't know about track cycling, don't watch this video then ask stupid questions. Go on wikipedia and find out why they are doing what they are doing... fuck sake!

[@coral4774539]

@babbfamilyidaho there will be no match Hoy will win easy

[@DragonJadeGalactiko]

Yeah yeah classic history too much muscle but he cannot make a propper sprint

[@ctbully]

Everyone knows that it takes a few minutes to toast bread so that cyclist isnt worth the weigh of his leg muscles LOL

[@rosinantedelafuente]

i am new to this. what is going on here?

[@ajfennema6695]

rosinantedelafuente 3 lap race. The rider in front (rider A) will try to pressure the rider (rider B) behind him to take the lead, so he (rider A) can draft behind rider B, saving rider A energy which makes it easier for A to win the sprint.

[@rosinantedelafuente]

so, rider B didn't take the bait and just hauled ass on the final lap to beat rider A? Do they usually do this or do they usually race for the whole 3 laps?

[@ajfennema6695]

rosinantedelafuente Yes, starting at 3:00 . It does happen sometimes, but I'd say (at least in the races I've seen) it's usually the rider in the back tricking the one in the front to take off. But a rider like Chris Hoy can pull this tactic off like he did here.

[@jaimelair66]

huge legs but no strength

[@ilikelampshades6]

The most confusing yet exciting sport in the olympics. I love the individual pursuit and yet I have no idea what is happening haha

[@williegutierrez2337]

Wth

[@Colonel1954Dz]

This almost looks like a mating ritual.. xD

[@michaelz4239]

😂

[@XSRKRXSRKRXSZKZXSZKZ]

LMAO

[@Lucmercurius]

I thought it was a replay in slow motion at first LOL

[@ericoschmitt]

Dont get it... When does it start and why does it finish?

[@fnarvii1810]

+Érico Schmitt It starts when they start riding but sprinting is weird because there is a mental component to it. The races aren't very long, so there's not very much room to mess up. Each was trying to force the other to make a move, or take the lead. The rear rider has the advantage because of draft and the element of surprise. Even though the race isn't very long, you really want to conserve energy too. The rider who initiates the sprint for the finish will usually be sprinting slightly longer. This might not make a huge difference normally, but on this level, the tiniest things can result in a win or a lose.

[@dc3400]

+Geirlodnir thanks for clarifying

[@GonzoDonzo]

seems like its not really about the sprint and more about making a move at the right time in that case. i still dont understand the appeal myself. seems like 10 laps or so at speed would be more reasonable with some action and passes. im not a cyclist though and to each their own

[@mauriciodenasau8243]

Let me guess... road biker ?? .... lmao

[@chriswitek9455]

10 laps at speed is not a sprint, this is also an old video and modern sprinting is more like a drag race. when this race happened gears tended to be smaller with more emphasis on the jump and initial acceleration. fwiw the best guys on the road cant put out anywhere near the power of a top end track sprinter. cav is around 1600w greipel or kittel probably 2k. top track athletes like glatzer currently are somewhere in the 2400-2600 range. you cannot do 10 laps at a full sprint, not even close. a neuromuscular sprint effort is at most 30 seconds before it starts becoming mostly anaerobic work which is nowhere near the same even if they both hurt and are both fast as hell. think about it this way, the first 2 laps are positioning and tactics: some guys like a long fast sprint with less jump, some guys like to lead from the front so they can control the race, and some guys are the complete opposite. the first two laps are your chance to use your tactics to suit your strengths as a rider as best as possible. then imagine coming out of turn 4 is essentially the same as a 100m track race where you just go balls out to beat the other person. did you notice all the moves hoy was making at the back? thats all to get the other rider to either accelerate or respond. did you notice how hoy went up and down the banking multiple times forcing the other rider to follow? if you dont follow as forstemann did you absolutely stand no chance because hoy will use the banking to pick up free speed while you dont. there are a lot of tactics that dont seem obvious to a non cyclist. infact hoy baited forstemann into coming up track multiple times and then dove underneath when forstemann thought it was just another simple move up the banking. lots of thinking goes into a cycling match sprint. make em do 10 laps and theyll just do 9 slow as hell

[@zulpro9231]

anybody come here because of bodybuildingrev?

[@Tom-bi3vn]

actually yeah i just watched the squat challenge lol

[@keigen95]

+zul pro Yep!...Wtf is going on in the beginning of this vid?

[@heistmanjacob]

+zul pro yeah that guy has HUGE leg muscles

[@Oafing]

The object is to finish first. Being in another cyclists slip stream means you expend much less energy going the same speed as the man infront. So if the man infront was to go hell for leather at the start the man behind would just stay in the slipstream and sprint ahead at the end when the frontman is tired. Cycling slow means there is no slip stream left and no advantage given to the other rider. I enjoy it because of the tactics and suspense built throughout the race to a dramatic finish!

[@Hawakuba]

3:45 "Kurwa" xD

[@tenwalery]

Zakręt.

[@njsfer]

You probably know that it means "corner or bend". It's funny that you write it in the same way in portuguese, spanish and italian and you write "curva". There are slight differences in the way you say it between those languages, but most people can't tell the difference. Ps: I'm portuguese and I know what it means in polish, my girlfriend is polish!

[@parkerc2666]

3:04 ..... When your riding your bike to your girlfriends house and she hits you with that "My parents aren't home ;)" text...

[@dc3400]

+Disregard Females heheh nice

[@IndepenDRUM1]

the best

[@forloop7713]

good one

[@itsjustnopinionok]

i went back to see 3:04 lmao.

[@adamwest3264]

LMAO SOOO FUCKIG ORIGINALALLALALAL -West

[@ah3whrichmond]

Forstemann has a medical condition in which he lacks a key protein, Myostatin, that NATURALLY allows him to NEVER DEGRADE MUSCLE! It's insane, I'm learning about it at med school now... and apparently clinical trails for a drug to control this protein are under way. A.k.a you goin build/keep mucho muscle with this drug.

[@roadglide]

It's all about tactics. Their strength is incredible, they go full on only when they absolutley need to at th end. But it's all about the strategy. If you snoozed you lose. Better to be the guy behind.

[@i5aac92]

The early parts of each race will often be highly tactical with riders pedaling slowly, as they carefully jockey for position, often trying to force their opponents up high on the track in an attempt to get their rivals to make the first move. The reason for this apparently strange behavior, as in many track cycling events, is both aerodynamics and tactics.

[@vogliousareilmionome]

Il commentatore si lamenta della mancanza di atleti italiani in questa disciplina; secondo me dovrebbe lamentarsi della carenza di piste.

[@PaulPaul-qv3vw]

Non capisco il tuo commento

[@vogliousareilmionome]

@@PaulPaul-qv3vw chi commenta la gara, all'inizio del video, elenca i grandi campioni degli anni '60. Si lamenta che in quel momento non ci sono grandi campioni italiani nel Mondo della pista. Io davo la colpa di questa carenza allo stato dei velodromi. Per es. a Milano il Maspes-Vigorelli era in uso, ma per il football. Altri velodromi erano diventati solo il contorno in cemento del campo di calcio. Non ero e non sono molto addentro al Mondo della pista e forse avevo preso un abbaglio con il mio commento.

[@PaulPaul-qv3vw]

@@vogliousareilmionome capito grazie per la risposta fulminea.,in Italia negli ultimi anni è andato di moda stranamente il rugby, non si se ancora vada bene..

[@joydivsion77]

:26-2:40...ref: "alright guys, we're gonna do this in slow motion. The loser wins. GO!!!"

[@georgegilles9008]

It's amazing Robert has bigger legs but he still loses. it's like the old saying goes "bigger doesn't mean better"

[@gabrielevans999]

It's called tactics. unlike running, cycling isn't a drag race.

[@stefanodepalo5204]

Go home quad man! The bigger legs, the bigger the looser!

[@G00n3r4Life]

cat and mouse, if you sprint all 3 laps the person in your slip stream will almost certainly win because its easier to sprint from behind.