HP Reverb G2 Review: Great Headset, Bad Controllers!

[@steel5897]

8:27 one correction here, "hardcore simulation" games don't use VR controllers at all, they use stuff like flight sticks and racing wheels, so the G2 is actually a perfect headset for those applications, especially since these games feature small panels with a lot of detail that you need to read at a glance, so the increased resolution helps a lot.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Spot on

[@franklydoodle350]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Hi VR Flight Sim Guy!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@franklydoodle350 Hey! :)

[@kingcole55]

Except VTOL

[@rafalrazmus]

@@kingcole55 VTOL is not a hardcore sim.

[@tomholy]

I've had my HP Reverb G2 for three days now. I've played a lot of Fallout 4 VR, tested it in No Man's Sky (most settings on Ultra) and started my second run on Half Life Alyx (my first run through was with my Rift S). Optics amazing as everyone has said. I've had no issues with tracking with the controllers (I am conscious that tracking is with visible light from LED's). Also I have LED lights at night in my room and they don't affect tracking. My big concern was my graphics card, it's a GTX 1070Ti not overclocked (has 8GB RAM). To my surprise this handles the games very well (CPU: i9-9900K not overclocked, 32GB 3200 RAM, NVMe SSD's and normal SSD's for storage). Hopes this helps those wondering if their graphics card is good enough as I've seen nothing about using a 1070Ti with the G2.

[@Kurmeloinen]

Cool, just have to say thanks to your comment! I have the same graphics card, and was wondering about the need for an update on that department, on top of the headset. :) Glad to hear the controllers are working fine, since there's so much mixed talk about them. My own latest headset is from the time when Oculus CV1 first came out, before they even bundled or sold the controllers for it, so I'm very eager to get back in VR gaming with some modern gear.

[@tomholy]

@@Kurmeloinen I do have an update on this after a lot of use and investigation from other people. I have experienced some unexpected shutdowns and one (last night as I was experimenting with settings) complete computer freeze up, something that is very rare, in fact I can't remember the last time it happened. I put it down to the video card being pushed to its limit (which really interestingly does not show up in its running temperature which is pretty stable around 70 degrees C). I strongly urge you to go to: docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/mixed-reality/enthusiast-guide/using-steamvr-with-windows-mixed-reality#:~:text=Open%20the%20SteamVR%20dashboard.,to%20enable%20automatic%20motion%20reprojection . Read this and do as they suggest and use the indicator that will appear in the top left of your VR screen to assess how your system (computer including video card) is coping in each game you play. For me now to avoid any issues, I have set in the SteamVR settings panel you access inside your VR headset or by plugging in your headset then opening Steam VR settings and doing this from your desktop, in the General (on the left) tab that opens up, set it to Auto and not custom. Then in the Video tab you can set each game with its Custom Resolution Modifier (I recommend you start at 100%). To do this you must first start the game you want to adjust and its name will appear at the top of this window. The ideal is when the indicator I mentioned above that will be showing in your VR headset at the top right has a green square. If it has a red square then you're stressing your system and risking some errors occurring. All this tells me that the GTX 1070Ti is right on the limit to use without issues and will have issues if you push it too hard. However it is totally useable and will give you a very good experience until you can afford one of the 3000 series of cards which is my long term plan.

[@MxCrompli]

As lovely as the Quest 2 might be at least the Reverb G2 doesn't force you to make a Facebook account and agree to an anti-privacy policy

[@snozzmcberry2366]

That does look mighty fine for Elite: Dangerous.

[@ComdrStew]

OMG does it ever look good in Elite. Blew me away when I started Elite up. I had to up the HMD in game though, seems to be set to a low resolution like the CV1 as default.

[@ComdrStew]

@john It feels smaller, because of the face cover they have. If you push your face into the cover, it is normal. It is definitely bigger than the G1. If you use the VRCOVER mod from the Samsung O+, it is bigger than most headsets. I don't think you notice the sweet spot as much on other headsets, because they are not as clear as the G2.

[@ComdrStew]

@john I am not a big fan of the Rift S, it was worse than my O+. I hate most Oculus headsets, so I'm not the one to ask that, lol. The visuals are the best of ANY headset out right now and I have tried almost all of them. Mine is running at 52% resolution and it is still like looking at a 2k monitor, it is that clear. 90% of the aliasing and god rays you see in most headsets are gone. SDE is 99% gone. In fact most videos you see of someone using the G2, actually looks better in the G2 than on KZbin.

[@ComdrStew]

@john Here is my Mod. I used the Samsung Odyssey VRCOVER which is 24mm thick. I just Velcroed it straight to the headset. I then used an old soft eyeglass holder and drew out the pattern and cut it out. Put the Velcro tape on it. The nose gasket is very soft and blocks 100% of nose light. Made the FOV and sweet spot a lot bigger. i.imgur.com/SELkke5.jpg i.imgur.com/0FeFaOd.jpg i.imgur.com/qaBbK6V.jpg i.imgur.com/vzVD01a.jpg

[@FiliusFidelis]

never understood why so many dislike the lighthouses, not like they are difficult to put up, and you only need to do it once. If the g2 had come with a lighthouse option I would be a lot less hesitant to get one.

[@TherionNLD]

The only problem I have with them (besides the price) is the high-pitched noise they emit.

[@nozha7876]

Well I understand you if you have a large space it’s better but for some ppl the wires and small rooms it’s not worth it

[@TayoEXE]

"Never understood." That's why you ask. For starters, not everyone has a lot of space, even if they have a PC. They may just do not like the added need to have them set up just to hop into a game. They feel like they confine your VR play space to one area. I admit they make sense for a wired headset more since you're confined to the area with your PC, but for something standalone or wireless, which can be easily taken and played in many different areas or even with no boundaries like a basketball court or something, lighthouses make zero sense. I also just feel that in terms of simplifying VR and making it more versatile, improving and working on standalone, inside-out tracking methods makes more sense for the future. That's all my opinion, though.

[@steel5897]

Oculus has made inside-out so good that I don't think base stations make sense anymore. Of course, that's just Oculus, WMR is still crap and the G2 would be much better off if it was a SteamVR headset.

[@kilroy987]

Lighthouses are fine, if you already have them. I don't. I wasn't interested in paying $1k for an Index.

[@ComdrStew]

Have had no problems with controller tracking, but I agree with the short handles. Quest 2 looks like a 720p monitor. The G2 looks like a 2k monitor. That is the only way I can explain it. I also had a problem with the headset moving down after around 30 minutes. I took my head strap off my O+ and put on it. Now it is a perfect. I noticed the controllers messing up like yours until I switched SteamVR and WMR for SteamVR to beta and then it was fixed. Might be another reason why my controllers are tracking so good.

[@SimpleSaemple]

Does that fix it? Maybe I will consider purchasing it because I would love a non-Facebook VR headset which actually works well.

[@ComdrStew]

@@SimpleSaemple Couple reasons why. First was the SteamVR and WMR for SteamVR on beta and the other is the batteries. With WMR controllers you need good batteries like Duracell Optimums or if you use rechargeable like I do, use 1.5v or higher. PKCELL on Amazon are good rechargeables and is what I use. I have not had any trouble with the G2 controllers. I own a Samsung O+ though, so I guess I am use to them.

[@henrycartier]

Funny, I figured flightsimulation would be the only area where controller tracking is not that important. Most hardcore simmers use yokes anyway and I am sure the G2 controllers work for just dialing knobs and push buttons while kicking back in a cockpit.

[@phobos2077_]

Except VTOL VR.. arguably the ONLY VR flight sim that is properly done.

[@SimonRever]

Pls test the Reverb with Index controllers

[@julianmazzola]

4 days into testing and I agree with this review 100%. Good on you for pointing out the need to tweak controller maps, Boneworks is broken out-of-the-box until you switch to the non-default bindings. Another big point that CANNOT be understated -- Many games will REQUIRE you to manually lower the render resolution in SteamVR. I'm running a 2080 Ti, and Star Wars: Squadrons was a huge disappointment... at first. SteamVR by default is almost doubling the G2's already massive native resolution for super-sampling purposes. Lowering the render resolution to 65% (which is still WAY higher than what you see on Quest2 via Link or VD) made the game absolutely amazing and buttery smooth, a tremendous relief, and I honestly don't even notice much of a decrease in sharpness. The same goes for Stormland and Asgard's Wrath -- they're playable via ReVive, but not with the super-sampling cranked (default settings).

[@MartynDerg]

I got the reverb g2. "bad controllers" is a fucking understatement and a half. the tracking makes it borderline unusable for any, and I mean ANY vr game. Wanna play beat saber? nope. Wanna play boneworks? Nope with a side of "the controllers literally can't be bound". Wanna play half life alyx? Sure, but keep your hands infront of your face at ALL TIMES. Wanna play gorn? HAHAHAHA YEAH NAH. I'm about to follow that guide you made so I can pair my old vive controllers with it. And believe me, you know something has bad controllers, when the VIVE WANDS ARE CONSIDERED A MASSIVE UPGRADE. the vive wants are the second worst controllers I have ever used, topped only by the reverb g2's controllers. I've used the quest 2, oculus rift, rift s, and vive.

[@maulcs]

Good to know, I was already skeptical because of the lack of capacitive buttons. Think I'll be sticking with my Rift S for awhile, don't really want to buy another LCD headset anyway - we need to get back to OLED, or MicroLED.

[@JoachimPDopplinger]

Dude your room is way too bright for solid tracking! How should the cameras distinguish the LEDs from your illimunated white walls? MRTV made that clear too - this is not Infrared-Tracking, but works with actual visible light

[@Uploadvr]

The room is bright because we're filming. 99% of our testing was done in normal conditions with the same results.

[@weedman5942]

Yup. MRTV showed that the tracking is perfectly fine if you set your room up accordingly.

[@socks2441]

i kinda agree, (although i saw the comment from upload vr that explained they used the correct lighting while actually testing the g2) i have a lenovo explorer and although the tracking is bad, im sure its not as bad as what i just saw in this video. i have literally never had occlusion issues when holding a rifle for example. not that i have noticed anyway. i definitely do with pistols though. so it is a bit strange. but even with two extra cameras, it is still wmr, and wmr is still pretty bad at tracking. on a cheap headset that is absolutely fine as its still a great and under appreciated experience. but for this kind of price it is a bit of a tough ask. i will likely still be upgrading to it at some point though as i really want better visuals, so far i have had a pretty good experience with wmr, its super convenient etc. and i mostly play dirt rally in vr, i dont play much other stuff these days. so it would be great for me. p.s - the only real thing that ever annoyed me about wmr tracking was the controllers getting 'stuck' from losing tracking when holding too close to face, often happened when ADS in onward etc, made scopes very difficult if not impossible. none of the other tracking concerns bothered me. it was just the close to face tracking, and two handed pistol occlusion. two handed rifles never had occlusion, and losing tracking when im not looking at the controllers or when they are out of my fov never affected my gameplay or bothered me much either. unfortunately the one thing i wanted fixed (close to face tracking) has not been fixed... :-P

[@lpenz57]

@@weedman5942 yea I agree I think the tracking will be just fine for the majority of people when the correct lighting conditions are met.

[@dct223]

I've had my HP Reverb G2 for about 1 week now. Been playing: Half-Life: Alyx, Beat Saber, Super Hot Demo, Project Cars 2 Demo, and Asseto Corsa. Been very impressed with it so far. This is my first VR headset so I don't have the experience of what good or better inside out tracking is but I've had no major complaints or issues. One thing to keep in mind as per MRTV, the room can't be too bright as the controllers are being tracked by the lights on them, not infared like other VR Headsets. Yes there are times you may need to hold up your controllers a bit higher or look down a bit for better tracking, but nothing that makes games unplayable. In the future I'll probably slowly gather the hardware to change over to the valve index controllers, but out of the box the G2 is a great headset and should NOT be overlooked just because of the controllers.

[@mr-jon]

I have the reverb g2. The display is amazing, but, the controllers are genuinely awful to work with. It's constantly losing tracking, and it breaks immersion and is infuriating to deal with. I used to love playing beatsaber, with the hand tracking on this, it's no longer an enjoyable experience. Stay far away from this until there is a fix. Also, the bracket is trash, it makes me think they didn't even bother testing the headset. Serious quality control issues.

[@anthonyt1t5]

Now you sound like a true owner of the g2. I have a quest 2 but even I have my own issues with it. 1. The resolution upgrade from the rift is noticeable but when you use oculus link, you come across graphical issues that you need to do tons of research to barely fix like blurry textures/pop ins. 2. Playing a steam vr game can take minutes to load into which can be tedious in the long term. Wish there was a faster way to play non quest games. 3. Tracking is not as good as the rift without sensor stations but decent. 4. Quest game store is a joke, only re 4 vr seems good. Starwars at galaxys edge was aight but too mediocre and unexciting. 4. Fov is the same as the rift which is so disappointing. Pros 1. You can play anywhere in your room which is useful if your sim rig is on the other side of the room. Because of the lack of bay or sensor stations. With the rift, I had to move my sensors all the time any time I want to race on my rig. 2. Controllers track better than I expected without stations but still not as good as the rift imo. Skyrim vr archery is still natural tho. No immersion breaking. 3. Play quest games with no wire is pretty great on certain games. But oculus still need to step up on their quest library of games.

[@Harvester88]

I was definitely worried about those controllers and the title already got me on edge, this will be interesting to watch.

[@BroNovid]

So what do you think after you watched it?

[@ViperVenoM13]

reverb + index controllers = perfect vr setup

[@frederikcamilodahl3551]

@@ViperVenoM13 also quite expensive. For me nothing can compete with Quest 2, nomatter the price

[@beanos2287]

@@frederikcamilodahl3551 I hated the glare of the quest 2 and honestly prefer the rift s for the comfortability, lower godrays, and slightly better tracking.

[@frederikcamilodahl3551]

@@beanos2287 fair. But for me these things are important: Wireless Stand alone PC vr Tracking Non-screen door Comfortability And good audio. Comfortability problem is fixed with a halo strap I bought, the PC vr thing is fixed with virtual desktop, and the good audio is fixed with my headset. Also I kinda prefer the Quest 2 audio over the G2 because I can use my own headset witch has much better audio. But I repect your opinion.

[@GoFasterHD]

We found the bug that is causing black screens with the G2 and maybe other issues, The speakers draw too many amps causing the screens ether not to work at all or go black when they play deep bass, turn your volume down until it becomes playable 90-95%

[@beanos2287]

Wonderful, good old hp

[@-ataraxy-4664]

Man I wish the controller & tracking were better, it would literally be the best headset on the market if so even if the increased the price to $700. I'll still be getting the headset though.

[@beanos2287]

Bruh get the decagear 1 when it releases.

[@AdityaPrasad007]

Did you get it? How was your experience?

[@Wasphamma]

The bright windows and studio light are probably giving you controller grief.

[@jamiefeltham3849]

For the review filming yes but I was also encountering this during standard play - no lights on it my room and cloudy UK weather through the windows

[@paulm.7967]

@@jamiefeltham3849 So you went from one extreme to another? A sunlit room to "no lights on in my room" ??? Sounds like you're not really trying to make it work and are more expecting it to work for you. You're supposed to have a well-lit ( read; normal lamps, not studio lights ) room with things on the walls so it's not just long stretches of a single color, giving WMR no means of understanding distance. No offense, but it doesn't seem like you know what you're doing with WMR headset. They track LED lights, not UV like the Rift / Oculus products do. A good way to tell if your WMR headset is getting blown out with too much light, or if there's too little light, is to look at your surroundings with Flashlight on. Area's that are super bright or super dark will 100% make you lose tracking.

[@jamiefeltham3849]

@@paulm.7967 When did I say anything about the room not being well-lit? I had daylight through the window, no room lights on that's all I meant.

[@Neightlive]

I don't see why a third party couldn't just make better controllers.

[@guybrushthreepwood3002]

lighthouses and knuckles do the job

[@protoman8284]

@@guybrushthreepwood3002 HOw many hundreds of dollars would that cost?

[@TheArrowedKnee]

@@protoman8284 A lot

[@overcookedspaget1361]

Here is a tip: Use the Valve Index Controllers with the HP Reverb G2. You will need 2 of the Valve Index 2.0 Base Stations to have the Valve Index Knuckles Controllers work with the HP Reverb G2, but trust me, it will be worth it.

[@damsel_deere]

I don't think it's worth to do that, why not just get an index?

[@ismailweber1899]

@@damsel_deere what would that cost extra?

[@bearpuns5910]

Does that also work with any other WMR headset? Does it rely on inside-out tracking as a fallback?

[@steel5897]

This along with a (very) high end PC is the best setup for PC VR.

[@B6447NW]

@@ismailweber1899 like 200-300 i think, sick fingertracking but costs as much as an entire quest 2 lmao

[@niklasfritzell6465]

NooOOoo! I was crazy hyped for this but the tracking problems kind of destroys the whole thing for me. Guess the failures of this along with the cosmos shows just how hard it is to get inside out tracking right.

[@dwsnb]

Oculus is like the only company that has perfected inside out tracking

[@dtz1000]

It's because Oculus has the patent on infrared controller tracking. No one other than Oculus is allowed to have the best tracking. That stupid patent is holding VR back big time.

[@Ad3tr]

@@dtz1000 Do you have more details on this? Also I wish people would stop talking about "Oculus," it was dissolved for Facebook Reality Labs.

[@socks2441]

@@Ad3tr yeah, oculus and its walled garden was somewhat bad for vr, but oculus is gone. its facebook now. and that is TERRIBLE for vr..

[@YouInVR]

Make an experiment. Plug-in these goggles, WMR window pops up. Go to your central point with goggles and put them on. Microsoft Windows probably wants you to look around so it can record your room. So, slowly look around in all directions to the front. Then, go to your PC again and select the WMR app page with play type (standing or seated). Stand and click the seated gameplay. Click the icon to start SteamVR. Now, go back to your central point with googles. Put them on. Press the joystick to spawn the SteamVR dashboard in VR goggles. There is a re-center button in the down-right position of that dashboard. Standing front to your desired direction and in central pivot point click "Re-center". Let's test if the tracking works better with "seated play" while normally standing in your room and playing. I played games with Samsung Odyssey+ for 2 years like this. You need to watch out for surroundings not to hit controller against anything in your room. I mostly stand and make one step forwards or backwards, but don't walk much to avoid collision. See my channel. Odyssey+ was great at tracking. Super great. Sometimes, very rare, if I lost the central point, I would just just re-center with SteamVR po up.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You can't expect HP to drive that amount of pixels with such an incredibly bright, vivid display with a single USB port. Great review otherwise thanks.

[@overnightclassic2]

That's a poor excuse. USB-C delivers up to 100 watts so that's on HP if they can't optimize their device.

[@blizado3675]

@@overnightclassic2 the power adapter should be first for users that have no USB C port with such power, but they did make a compromise on the display and now it is needed. Without the power adapter you would have a much darker image or a bright butter more blurry image when you move your head. The technique to reduce blurriness while moving the head makes the image darker, so you need more power to make it brighter. Too much power for even USB C.

[@tomholy]

@@overnightclassic2 Sure, in the next year or two, for me I'm happy with what they're offering right now and I don't want to wait a year or two to get great immersive VR. I have a Rift S and it's great but there is still a marked screen door effect which the G2 will almost eliminate.

[@overnightclassic2]

@@tomholy So will the quest 2?

[@swat37]

You can use the Index's knuckle controllers with the G2.

[@ProgrammistMusic]

If try to play games like Tennis where you sometimes don't look at your racket and swing it from behind into view using inside-out Tracking is a problem in general. On the Quest 2 this still works pretty well, but if the tracking is just a bit more unprecise you run into heavy problems, since the swing of the racket is not calculated correctly resulting in a random experience while playing.

[@rodiape]

Hope they would sell the standalone headset version to save for the index controllers.

[@tomholy]

In New Zealand they do, or will when it's released which is due tomorrow.

[@rodiape]

@@tomholy that's great, how much cheaper is it?

[@tomholy]

@@rodiape In NZ dollars it's $200 cheaper. So NZ$1099 for the full set and NZ$899 for just the headset without the controllers.

[@TheDemonisedMenace]

I recently got my G2 and I agree with all of these points as I had the same initial experience / impressions. Best HMD but really bad controllers and coming from Quest 2 wireless Virtual Desktop to tethered PCVR suddenly feels archaic..

[@Sofian375]

Microsoft has a lot to prove in the coming months, else HP (and others) will have to find another partner for the development of the G3.

[@notmr47]

Yeah, I'm good with the oculus quest 2 then

[@gutswithdrip879]

The hair 😍 Edit: just realised it so the overhead strap can fit easily😂😂

[@ervalitet2680]

Wow, so this vr is for laptops? Great! :)

[@skipcallaham1517]

Cool! I heard Tsushimamire playing in the background!

[@BaseRealityVR]

They need to make a DEDICATED lighthouse VERSION OF THIS!.

[@robertbottorff3175]

Something he may not have been aware of, The G2 can be used with Lighthouse controllers. Lots of people have said they just use their Index controllers with it and it's perfect.

[@Ad3tr]

You can calibrate it with lighthouses but Valve should make that support official.

[@robertbottorff3175]

@@Ad3tr you mean the headset itself?

[@Ad3tr]

@@robertbottorff3175 You can use knuckles controllers with this headset because they are tracked independently of the headset. They track themselves in the laser grid.

[@robertbottorff3175]

@@Ad3tr ok that's what I had come to understand as well. I thought perhaps you ment that the headset could be tracked with the base stations as well. Which I had never heard before lol. Thanks for clarifying

[@elliusagi]

I've been very pleased with G2, but the main problem for me is the controllers getting stuck or yeet randomly while trying to play dancegames. While I do recommend this for art like Vermillion, Tilt Brush and Open brush, I suggest to concider some other headset for dancegames and other that require hand movement above head or off from trackers.

[@MrRourk]

Valve, HP, and Microsoft? Perhaps Hp and Valve can coerce MS into making VR for XBox?

[@socks2441]

@Iburmanable it would be foolish to think they wouldnt, despite what phil spencer says. i mean, their r and d department need something to work on... and the xbox series x is extremely powerful, wmr is far superior to psvr, and they could always change it up and use infrared tracking like rift s and quest. but yeah, i dont expect it for at least a couple of years.

[@kilroy987]

Any chance we could see some benchmarks with popular games and video cards?

[@dachopper1]

Would I be correct in saying at 5:37 you tested the controllers next to a window that had indirect sunlight coming in. I know from my experience with CV1 that indirect sunlight is not compatible with RIFT tracking at all?

[@pasilehto]

Yep, bad review.

[@jamiefeltham3849]

This was the same result I was getting wherever I stood, no matter the lighting

[@dachopper1]

@@jamiefeltham3849 did you try new batteries ?

[@Bong_Jovi]

3:31 - HP has suggested NOT unplugging the cord from the headset after initial installation. It's a delicate port

[@socks2441]

ikr, this is why i dont understand why vr headsets dont have a hard on/off power button. i unplug mine from my pc after every use, which is about twice a week. hdmi was never designed for that much use. its a plug in and leave it plug. and im guessing the headset side plug here with twice the connections is far more delicate than hdmi.

[@FirstnameLastName-mr8lk]

@@socks2441 if you arent using the wmr software or steamvr it should just power itself off

[@LowBlow]

So can you setup the headset without the controllers to get it working with games like DCS and Project Cars 2? SystemActive in the UK are saying it works without the controllers so I just ordered it without.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

So twice the price as a Q2, without the excellent tracking?

[@tomholy]

Try adding all the addons for the Q2 then see how much difference there is.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@tomholy a good strap and a reasonable quality PC USB lead adds £80. The reverb doesn't even have a standalone option.

[@tomholy]

@@FatNorthernBigot That's fine Andrew, I'm no interested in cordless yet as it's just not good enough including Bluetooth for phone inear ear phones so I'm stuck with my Samsung Galaxy Note 9 for some time to come until Bluetooth earphones are good enough. Also I don't like the idea of data compression that the Q2 has to use when using a cable, this means the computer has to compress the data before sending it and then the headset has to decompress it on the fly, all adding to overhead which does not happen on the Rift S or the G2. I'm fussy Andrew and I appreciate not everyone is, so yes get a Q2 by all means. Thank you for replying to me.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@tomholy Hey, no worries. Ultimately, they're a bit of fun.

[@tomholy]

@@FatNorthernBigot Totally agree they're lots of fun and, well ............. amazing!

[@madcapx]

Do you feel like software updates could improve the tracking?

[@Ad3tr]

I wonder if the price is a fair comparison when we all know facebook is selling the quest significantly below cost and wireless is the same since VD streaming is explicitly not allowed without sideloading.

[@YouInVR]

Software is the thing to improve with these controllers. I am surprised HP and Microsoft rushed it so much. They should have worked on the tracking sofware for another month to iron out all problems you report.

[@nrg753]

For me WMR is average, maybe sub-par, but not awful. I still think the tracking is nicer than Vive Cosmos (or at least what it was on launch?). As long as you know its limitations you'll be fine. If you can get around WMR then this is a really awesome headset and that's why I have one ordered! I have my fingers crossed they'll do some major software updates or maybe come out with "pro" controllers, there's an idea!

[@blacksheep7209]

Will these be sent out with non standard uk plugs? If so what kind of adapter ae you using?

[@MrJoaoAfonso]

If they put a diferent colour in each gamepad will it prevent the occlusion?

[@Mr.Ollie1]

My G2 audio is also dropping to my monitor and back to headset audio. Can you tell me how to fix this problem?

[@MagyarVRtus]

Hello, I have a question: At 5:48 I see the volume alternately change level 48 and 24. Why? I have a problem with my HP G1. I think it is because a broken cable. My headset switch between the HMD sound output and the default Windows output. Like in this video. Is this happening another HP devices? Is this a software bug? I thought my cable is broken but maybe not?

[@KiwiInGermanyMTB]

Are the controllers as bad as what the rift s were at launch? Maybe they will get better

[@davecurry5604]

im about to return mine because of the controllers but damn the screen is clear wow

[@DevDocX]

@@davecurry5604 That's a bummer. Hopefully, the headset will work nicely when paired with my index controllers. That was my hope anyway.

[@braswellunleashed627]

U can pair the index controllers with this headset fyi

[@beanos2287]

For another $180 per controller, and then you also have to buy the lighthouses.

[@filippol2768]

What are the difference with HP reverb? Thanks

[@kvv3819]

Can I use Valve Index controllers and tracking system with the G2? Then the main problem with the G2 would be solved

[@kuyabooya7741]

Yes, but you'll need base tracking stations to use the knuckles. Pretty sure the tracking stations don't track the G2 headset at all.

[@blizado3675]

@@kuyabooya7741 the G2 headset tracking itself is no problem at all. You also need two Vive Tracker USB Dongles, one for every Index Controller and some Software, that is easy to setup what is good, because from time to time you need to recalibrate it.

[@kvv3819]

So with the Index tracking base station and the controllers we would have a solution combining one of the best headsets with a good tracking and controller 🤔

[@blizado3675]

@@kvv3819 yes, for everyone that have already lighthouse and the index controller a more easier solution (to get two USB Dongle could be difficult), for others they must look if they want to spend as many for the lighthouse + index controllers + dongles as the paid for the G2 already.

[@beanos2287]

Yes but that would be VERY expensive.

[@gamecity7265]

So this is the first cinema ready VR headset

[@BritishConcept]

Great review!

[@Ty-yr3gf]

Thanks for the video but your testing these controllers next to a open light source your living room windows, there's too much natural light, you'll get better results with slightly dim lighting no green screens and some contrast on your walls.

[@latenightretro7689]

If you thinking of getting this and wear glasses be prepared to spend an additional $70 on prescription inserts because your glasses won’t fit inside most likely mine didn’t.

[@ur_round_next1216]

They make a great headset but complete crap controllers/Tracking Why lol...They also need to join forces with Oculus(for tracking) for Gen 3

[@blizado3675]

Not Oculus. Maybe Microsoft is here the problem, they could not do too many changes without Microsoft need to extreme overwork there WMR Driver Software and we know what Microsoft do for WMR... near nothing when they do not need to.

[@neole894]

Compared to G2, quest2 almost felt like a perfect product although it has its own compromises

[@FlyingCsongor]

"HP suggests a bare minimum of a GTX 1080 graphics cards but using that spec on my PC with Star Wars: Squadrons brought the game to a grinding halt. I had much better results testing on a 2060 Super." Would be interesting to know the reason given the fact that a 1080 gives more or less the same performance as a 2060 super.

[@lolitis01]

I know why,.. but I'm not gonna tell you.

[@beanos2287]

The gtx 1080 is better generally.

[@jamesoloughlin]

HAHA my jaw dropped twice in this video & not is a good way; for the haptic sounding like a combustible engine 😦 & that cable/breakout box situation. Still seems like a great & competitive product.

[@blizado3675]

But for that you get a 6m cable.

[@decadentshark9357]

Good video, honest which is good.. For me virtual desktop with quest 2 with 19 ping is the option.. Even with slightly worse resolution the freedom and ease is worth it imo.. Just need a few more games, boneworks, Alex as not to both re workout ones, wanna chill and play I wish firewall would come to pc as could sit and chill on that, and optimise it and few more modes with pc extra power

[@sonsolar]

They let us down again

[@FlyingCsongor]

Not me, I personally can't wait to try it with Flight Simulator. This image clarity of G2 is obviously the best consumer solution currently on the market.

[@BlueOvals24]

How? The headset is great. The controllers aren't great but they beat Vive wands

[@sonsolar]

@@BlueOvals24 I personally love the Vive wands, they are definitely better than the og WMR controllers. They have actual vibration. To each their own though.

[@BlueOvals24]

@@sonsolar Poor haptic feedback is a small price to pay for more natural feeling controllers imo. I couldn't stand how Vive wands felt to hold, never got quite immersed with them.

[@lolitis01]

@@sonsolar I agree. The vive wands are a bit large as well, but I prefer the vive wands over the G2 controllers.

[@mikejordan9754]

Eric for president had major control issues too.

[@MrEDET]

Yes but MUCH more severe than in this review it seems. Still wonder if he has a faulty headset or some other technical issue, making his tracking so bad.

[@vtevdo]

You need to use WMR controllers "correctly".

[@wesleybaugh4756]

Can u use another brand controllers on these headset?

[@DevDocX]

Yes. Look at one comment above.

[@shixxor]

@@DevDocX but would that make tracking better? the tracking of the controllers is still made by the 4 cameras of the headset.

[@DevDocX]

@@shixxor You can use lighthouse tracked controllers with lighthouses, and then the head tracking is the only thing the cameras would be doing at that point. Hopefully that clears it up. I am told that the other WMR controllers are not compatible if I happened to mistake the question.

[@shixxor]

@@DevDocX thanks for clarification 👍🏿

[@meric12131415]

Good news this headset is definitely off my list🤣 it definitely would have been better wirelessly

[@persiaguitar]

I have not tried any other VR and this was my first one but if VR is this then no thank you. It was a terrible experience

[@rickangelico5612]

114 FOV and MS has its hands-on it? no thanks. 150 FOV and 4K panels are the minimum requirements.

[@meric12131415]

Jesus that controller is huge 🤣

[@lassmirandadennsiewillja3943]

HP sucks for taking preorders without beein able to deliver, ignore the EU completely and pissing off people after months of waiting. I wonder if the g3 arrives before the g2 at this point. A total mess as you can see on reddit.

[@blizado3675]

Reddit is primary the mess. Yes, it runs not perfect as it should, but the main problem is that Users are way too fast pissed and have no patience. All is Mimimi as ever. I know already in early Juli that i need to be patience to get my one. Actually it looks i get my one early December, fine for me, and yes, I'm also very hyped for it since Juli, what makes it not easier to be patient.

[@samik83]

@@blizado3675 Basically I've been waiting for a headset since HLA launched. Thats 8 months. First ordered a Rift S but was out of stock everywhere. While waiting I came across the G2. Canceled my Rift order and put this on pre-order in July thinking it's gonna be a few extra months of waiting. I understand there's gonna be delays, but would assume a big manufacturer would have some idea of the production time from the get-go. They just keep pushing it back. I think they've pushed it back at least 4 times now.

[@blizado3675]

@@samik83 Not really. Before HP said they will send in the end of October / early November they said only "Fall 2020". That other dates comes all from resellers that know more than HP itself. So it was not that bad how it looks like. Also I'm sure HPs plans look different as what it now looks like. It seams they have problems to produce enough headsets per day and that is more a issue with a other company that producte parts for the G2 to HP or HP would have know they will have this problem. Many companies have problems to produce enough Hardware this days. NVidia can't produce enough Graphic cards, AMD seems to have the same issue with their new Graphic cards and CPUs too. Maybe it is a Corona thing, like often this days. Yeah, that was bad luck with the Rift S and the G2 now. I get my Rift S luckily end of 2019 before Corona runs wild.

[@techinfusions]

The G1 was a great headset its controllers were great just using the two tracking cameras, the G2s four tracking cameras will make the G2 even better add into that the best VR displays available and also audio direct from the Index and you really only have the best VR headset money can buy.

[@beanos2287]

Tracking ,and feel, with no touch sensitive buttons kinda garbo tho

[@techinfusions]

@@beanos2287 Tracking for me on the G1 with its two tracking cameras was just great, not sure how important touch sensitive buttons really are? those 2160 x 2160 displays and manual IPD adjustment just improve on an already very good G1 headset.

[@beanos2287]

@@techinfusions for me touch sensitive buttons are important and they are something that now that I've had them I cannot live without them. The tracking I've heard is very poor when placing the controllers to your sides or above your head which is important for me as I enjoy social games like pavlov vr. Also the tracking method is just not as accurate as oculus's and never will be, even though I don't like facebook they have a very accurate and reliable tracking system that is so good that when doing gestures behind my back it can sometimes predict what I'm doing.

[@beanos2287]

@@techinfusions honestly I'm just going to wait till the decagear 1 as that sounds like an absolutely amazing headset. Individual finger tracking, with pressure sensitive controllers and touch sensitive buttons, as well as an infrared tracking system like Oculus's, as well as the same exact display as the HP Reverb G2, the ability to be wireless, however not standalone, and finally the fov is apparently going to be 114 degrees diagonally like the HP Reverb G2 or possibly in the 120s as they are working on a dual lens arrangement. Obviously we need to wait for models to be sent to reviewers in either January or February, but you have to admit that for $450 it sounds pretty promising.

[@beanos2287]

@@techinfusions I forgot to mention, the decagear will also have facial tracking, mouth and tongue tracking, as well as eye tracking.

[@christ3423]

u lie dude.. the Tracking is Tripe... Did you get it from them for Free...

[@anthonyt1t5]

Thank you for putting attention on how God awful the controllers are, it can make or break a purchase.

[@beanos2287]

I've heard so many negative things regarding the controllers that it has sadly turned me off of it. Decagear 1 here I come.

[@monchatjourjour]

looks like a downgrade from reverb g1 to me ....

[@edwardroy3401]

Someone has been skipping dentist visits

[@slothsarecool]

No idea why people like Windows it’s such a mess

[@nervaproject]

Your comment that the Reverb G2 is a tough sell when compared to the Quest 2 seems way off to me. The Quest 2 has TERRIBLE graphics. That's important to point out. Quest 2 graphics look like PS2 graphics.

[@joshuaireland8221]

Use pcvr games then ? The resolution of the quest 2 is great... not as good as the g2but still amazing. Alum on virtual desktop on the quest is mind blowing.. not bad..

[@gf5617]

Haircut NOW

[@sabirayaz7893]

Lol, flight sim is the only thing that makes this headset worth money. You don't need hand controllers for that because there is something called HOTAS out there for simmers. You didn't do your homework buddy.

[@martineidloth9577]

Its a shame most of the guys are payed by Facebook in my opinion. For true review check out MRTV on KZbin. The tracking is good.

[@beanos2287]

I've seen multiple reviews talking about issues with the tracking quality. It uses visible light, obviously it is no match for infrared, also the terrible clunkyness of the controllers, loud ass haptic feedback, and the lack of any touch sensitive buttons are major downsides that have turned me off of this completely.