Huberman and Luther: Religious Monks and Heretics in the Tides of Modernity

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[@newglof9558]

Justin Murphy had a good point on Huberman, namely that his only crime was being a purveyor of wisdom yet failing to live beautifully

[@mostlynotworking4112]

💯

[@Kolajer]

He also bombards people with research data, but provides very few examples on how to implement it in practice relative to the volume of theoretical information he cites. It wouldn't take much tweaking to make his presentation an order of magnitude more useful, which is quite lamentable.

[@bankiey]

@@Kolajer He has faith in the data

[@jonnyw82]

That’s not why the machine turned on him though, there’s plenty of fiends that don’t get this treatment

[@j.p.westwater2334]

I've been watching your videos every now and then for the last few months since your live event with Vervaeke and Pageau and this is the first one that really grabbed me and helped me make sense of a confusing cultural moment. Fascinating stuff, thank you for posting. A couple of years ago I visited Wartburg Castle in Eisenach around the time I was most interested in Huberman's podcast and the parallels you drew between him and Luther made so much perspectival sense to me.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

32:30 - Holland's Marian stories (two separate ones) should be a hot topic in this little corner, but it's been crickets. A famous agnostic tells the story of asking the Virgin to pray for him one night in an ancient church then his cancer diagnosis dissolving is big news. Not news because of the vision or asking for prayer from the Mother of God, or his cancer, but news because a guy like him is willing to say this outloud in public.

[@PaulVanderKlay]

That's a good point. Was listening to Pt. 4 of the Luther series and Dom Sandbrook is increasingly interesting in terms of how he responds.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

​@@PaulVanderKlay when I hear a guy who openly admits he can't decide if it was a real miracle or not, it's a big deal. Things like what happened to Tom are ubur common, but people of the upper crust type don't want to speak openly about these things. Even our favorite TLC atheist told us about his dying wife having one of these encounters. It changed her instantly. Miracles could be even less mystical, like me watching a video of Pageau and Peterson in March of 2021 and coming back to faith. That was a miracle too, but I'm a nobody.

[@givenhawk]

how can i find that story?

[@x0rn312]

​@jaykubeasy I **think** he tells it in this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXXEZammoLN-m7Msi=JUZpPcv6fvkn8CJV

[@givenhawk]

@@x0rn312 if it was in there I didn't catch it but it was a nice conversation regardless

[@emy_2510]

Oh my word, how glad am I you made a video. Always some interesting food for thought, Paul. Thank you so much.

[@redtop52]

Your content is so good almost every time, but you have so much I can't always watch it all.

[@Matthew-pm8fg]

Thank you, Paul. The "scientia" mentioned in the 3/4 part of the video, as a "deduction" from "revelation" would explain, in part, the deduction of Immanuel Kant in the Critique of Pure Reason, which Kant referred to as "transcendental". Now, in Kant's case, the deduction from "science" which received various nuances from Luther and the establishment of the University of Berlin, something that should be discussed in some detail, came to be known in This Critique as the Epistemological Turn, that is to say, the projection of "space" and "time" onto apples and events from the point of view of the "revolutionary" freedom "bred" in the consciousness of those to whom the "reformatio" has been bequeathed, not in the loss of brick upon brick but in the loss of what is "around" the "edges" in the transition from Modernity to the next thing. Now, after Kant, Soren Kierkegaard walks into the scene with pseudonyms and a penchant for indirect communication with a purpose, that is, to draw the listener inward as opposed to outward in order to locate "identity" as opposed to "half-way revolutionaries" who are content with the trappings of new bricks on new bricks rather than the entrance of a fully formed identity in the new world. Now, after Kierkegaard, which seems to be where we are now, I ask, what comes after the existential? And will it have the vibrancy of the existential?

[@joeyvitamins]

I just remembered It's April Fool's Day, so I must be skeptical of everything I see today!

[@anselman3156]

I came across an obvious one in an article which mentioned the mountains of the Netherlands!

[@sherieharkins2460]

Really interesting points, and very reassuring. Thank you.

[@Charlies_Little_Corner]

What struck me is the primacy of the written text in all of this (either the Ney York Magazine hit piece, Luther's translations, or the evident "ad fontes" return to ancient texts in Renaissance and again during enlightenment). And yet, we know personally and as a species in total that the spoken word precedes literacy. And symbolic transformation of visual and auditory sense data precedes the spoken language. Which begs the question, how we can get out of this imbalance of only seeing the prerequisites of truth in written propositions...

[@williambranch4283]

@phlebas9204 How about heavenly harps? ;-)

[@chrishoward8473]

@phlebas9204 He wrote it down. (does this count as literary?)

[@ButterBobBriggs]

44:01 - Purgatory - years ago, I took an interest in Rabbinical writtings and was surprised to see this idea of a remedial intermediary realm of the dead in their writtings too. It was, if a remember correctly, limited to 12 months not a 1,000 years (happy to be corrected if wrong). So it seems the idea of an intermediary place of purging sin is old enough to have Jewish roots. I've seen it also in the writtings of saints like St Isaac the Syrian and others. The Orthodox do not share the Roman Catholic teachings of Purgatory and certainly do not have indulgences, BUT we do have many prayers for the dead in the intermediary realm, especially the prayers during the Great Entrance Procession and yearly during the Kneeling Prayers of Pentacost.

[@anselman3156]

Anglicans, like Eastern Orthodox, and, it seems some modern Roman Catholics, tend to be less precise about what might be involved in the preparation for heaven undergone in the intermediate state. Like some Anglo Catholics, I tend to appreciate some of the more definite teachings of Rome on the matter, but that does not mean giving credence to all hearsay stories and speculations that go beyond what is defined teaching. As for indulgences applied to the dead, that seems to be simply an extension into the afterlife of the Church's prerogative to relax some of the requirements for penance in this earthly life. I think the EO use the term oikonomia for mitigation of the severity of Church discipline? The basic principle as I understand it is that sin has consequences for which we must make some amendment, even though our contrition and cleansing by Christ's Blood has obtained forgiveness to save us from eternal exclusion from God. We do as much as we can in this life to both be fully sanctified and to make some amendment and reparation, but that may not be complete at death. That's how I reason the matter for myself.

[@williambranch4283]

Buddhists have many levels of Hell, you don't stay there forever, but unless you are fully enlightened, reincarnation still has its hooks in you. So this very Earthly life, past and future, is a long line of purgatories.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

@@anselman3156 I don't think anyone knows for sure about the afterlife because it has been left vague by the Bible and by nature, the Orthodox like to keep these mysteries somewhat undefined. All ancient church traditions have concern for the dead and believe prayer, charity and other acts of kindness can help them in some ways. That might come as a surprise to some of our Protestant friends, but this idea is universal in all ancient traditions. I don't think the Catholics are totally off base with this, because like I said this is an ancient belief going all the way back into the Jewish teachings. We, Orthodox, have the Kneeling Prayers at Pentecost and one of those prayers is explicit an appeal of mercy for all in hades. Most the time, prayers for the dead are for the faithful dead, but not that prayer, it is for everyone. My priest told me we simply don't know all the ends and outs, we can't make universalism a dogma, because the Bible and Creed are clear about Judgement, but what we can be sure about is we should pray for them and we know Christ is merciful and the lover of mankind, so there is hope.

[@drthirdworld3190]

Some Orthodox have the concept of "aerial toll houses" where after death the soul must pass and "pay" for their sins. Either way, it does seem similar to what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, where "It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work."

[@jimluebke3869]

"Martin Luther's father wanted him to become a lawyer" To be fair, Martin would have made a d**n good lawyer. Look at his careful argumentation.

[@williambranch4283]

A mighty fortress is our legal firm ...

[@jimluebke3869]

@@williambranch4283 We should not discount the notion that Luther could have caused more pain and suffering as a lawyer, than he did as the trigger for a revolutionary religious movement.

[@williambranch4283]

@@jimluebke3869 Today a paralegal might be a woman. An iron maiden perhaps?

[@sunrhyze]

😂😂​@@jimluebke3869

[@jimluebke3869]

@@williambranch4283 Considering the torturousness of the courts (modern Family Law particularly), that's an apt comparison -- if a bit despairing for my taste.

[@JosefSvenningsson]

I haven't been following the Huberman thing so I appreciate the update.

[@Neal_Daedalus]

I think you’re midwifing very well, Mr. Paul of the Clay

[@TheHangedMan]

Huberman is a healthy man creating more healthy men. He was going to be targeted by the regime sooner or later. Inevitable. Keep calm, carry on.

[@quentissential]

"poke at the rotten oak" ...without idols to tear down, what else are we to do?!?!

[@AnaBrigidaGomez]

I have a new fancy word for you Dejatube: when your podcasters start talking about the same thing lol not only this case but I notice everyone I follow is interviewing the same people, sometimes other podcasters but more often than not the same guests like that guy Robert Green I had seen him in almost every podcast in my feed if not him, people talking about his work, even when they do not belong to the corner. Interesting.

[@Padronfan]

Your comment on multiple women reminds me of a scene from Humphry Bogart's Sahara. The African explains why his culture recommends marrying 4 women. The American asks "do you have 4 wives?" The African asks the American "would you marry 4 women if your culture allowed it?" The American says "no my wife wouldn't like it." The African says "the same is true for me"

[@williambranch4283]

Sahara matches Casablanca.

[@Padronfan]

@@williambranch4283 how so?

[@williambranch4283]

@@Padronfan Both are pre-Pearl Harbor. Sahara is about Lend Lease to GB in their fight in N Africa.

[@chrisyoung2179]

If the trinity is found in the scriptures “in solution” isn’t purgatory the same way?

[@anselman3156]

Besides the work of John W Burgon and more modern scholars who uphold the traditional text of the New Testament, I recommend the articles published by the Trinitarian Bible Society.

[@comeintotheforest]

I was unhappy with the way Holland presented Sola Scriptura as Luther spoke about it. It’s almost like he’s just repeating Catholic apologists talking points. Him and Vervaeke are incredibly smart, but incredibly wrong on Protestant religious history

[@comeintotheforest]

Also I think the psychology angle where they attempt to psychoanalyze daddy issues into Luther 500 years later is definitely questionable. I’m probably just being biased and touchy however.

[@williambranch4283]

Luther loved German more than Latin, and thought more of himself than just a humble scholar.

[@comeintotheforest]

Halfway through episode three and it’s laughable how uninformed they are about Luther and his teachings… To suggest Luther is responsible for the idea of there being only a tiny elect of true Christians, and all others aren’t is insane. Luther’s entire theology of sacrament’s is for the exact opposite reasons, to give absolute certainty of salvation for all who partake. And to blame him for the “enthusiasts” of the reformation! Do they have any idea who Luther complains about most? More than the pope? It’s the enthusiasts! One of his biggest controversies is his writings that the German peasantry are wrong to revolt and should submit to their earthly authorities 😮‍💨

[@comeintotheforest]

This channel is the only place I could rant about Tom Holland’s butchering of Luther, sorry guys

[@danielhoward7310]

I was going to watch those videos but after your comments I think maybe it isn't worth it? Do you have any other sources you'd recommend on the Reformation?

[@phiswe]

5:35 Hmm, why are _you_ talking about it?

[@sunrhyze]

"A waiting room with fire." 😂😂 Tom Holland is too cool 😎

[@ericschlukebir4194]

"scatological obsessions" is that @WhiteStoneName music?

[@beanmon2755]

If I’m in purgatory I hope I can go around and scare people as a ghost because that would be fun as hell

[@WhiteStoneName]

45:10 “Literally present” Yes. This is the proper line of questioning, Paul. Mysteriologically. Interestingly, I just searched the term and an article called “Mystagogical Realism” came up by Sarah Hinlicky Wilson popped up. Awesome.

[@givenhawk]

here's what I don't understand: how that's any different than the logos, Christ, whose body we are.... this Christ the Son of God (with/in) Whom we live and move and derive our being: "literally present in the Eucharist".... this seems to suggest that He's not just as literally present, abiding with and presiding over us, at every other moment of the day.

[@WhiteStoneName]

@@givenhawk yeah. I can see what you’re saying, I think. “*Literally* present in the Eucharist” doesn’t even make sense.

[@williambranch4283]

Anti-Christians were accused of "hurting" the eucharist, by stabbing the bread for example. This "literalism" may have been invented to deepen the apparent blasphemy?

[@maggen_me7790]

I'm confused Paul...Is it "Successful With Women" when juggling 6 at once...Or is it being promiscuous.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

45:05 - I'll take Christ's own definition of the Eucharist over Calvin's interpretation. Christ says "this is My body, this is My blood." "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.” John 6:54-55

[@givenhawk]

aren't those two different passages? The first He was dining with his disciples but the latter was not connected to any such setting.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

@@givenhawk more than two, the first is a paraphrase from 1 Corinthians.

[@williambranch4283]

Jesus is never metaphorical?

[@givenhawk]

@@ButterBobBriggs you just made my point butter bob

[@ButterBobBriggs]

@williambranch4283 as soon as it's considered just a metaphor, the Eucharist goes from the central reason for having a church service which was the universal understanding of all Christians in the first millenia to an occasional thing we do with a nasty mass produced plastic MRE cup of grapish juice and cardboard wafer.

[@anselman3156]

18:40 There are competent textual scholars who uphold the authenticity of the last twelve verses of Mark's Gospel. Look at, for example John W Burgon's work.

[@ethanpatterson7921]

It seems like Huberman is bringing a “heaven” to modern people that is physical/material. Whereas the monks of the past may have actually been guarding a more spiritual realm. It seems like the three major shifts have been: 1.) deincarnation of heaven and earth. 2.) a reaction to the gatekeeping of heaven by the priestly class. 3.) our modern reformation: a reaction to the gatekeeping of earth by the new priestly class. I think in every reaction we wanted the world to become incarnational again but for some reason keep falling further down the hierarchy

[@williambranch4283]

Degeneracy is a Progressive disease. Re-enchantment one Hansel and Gretel at a time. Stay away from the gingerbread house!

[@ethanpatterson7921]

@@williambranch4283I agree that degeneracy is a disease. However, I wonder if the transition that we are in (hopefully to an reenchanted incarnational world) would have been possible without it. Because the shift from heavenly gatekeepers to earthly gatekeepers was possible due to the earthly realm still being a place left to be explored. But now that we know the earthly realm doesn’t satisfy we have nowhere else to turn except towards the Incarnation and the joining of heaven and earth that Christ’s Incarnation accomplishes

[@williambranch4283]

@@ethanpatterson7921 Deep. The seed has to fall to the earth and rot in fertile soil ... for new grain to appear.

[@_BirdOfGoodOmen]

The big issue no one's addressing is wanting to even bother juggling 5, or however many women, means Huberman's not right in the head. No sane man wants that amount of headache! 😂

[@williambranch4283]

Hypergamy exploiting the big ....

[@anselman3156]

The fallacy of Sam's approach is that he thinks the Catholic belief that the one eternal God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost is an imposition upon the Bible, whereas the Catholic understanding is that that is exactly what is stated in the Bible. It is on the authority of the Bible that the doctrine of the Trinity is affirmed. This is the consistent Catholic position from the beginning. The Bible is sufficient to let us know that God is Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus tells us that Jesus appealed to the Scriptures in affirming that he is himself God. As for the Jehovah's Witnesses and other such groups, who reject the historical consensus of Christians as formulated in the Crees etc,, they simply substitute their own magisteria for that of the Catholic Church. Charles Taize Russell required people to submit to his interpretation, saying they would benefit more from reading his works than reading the Bible for themselves. And, of course, since Russell's time, the groups derived from him have changed various points of doctrine, contradicting earlier teaching.

[@JackPitts]

45:00 Let's make a comparison: The Catholic Church's view on the presence of Christ in the Eucharist as somehow being "physical" (as articulated with plenty of nuance in the doctrine of Transubstantiation) is analogous to the Fundamentalists' interpretation of (for example) the "physical" dimensions of Noah's Ark. In this sense, we might identify the Reformation as the time at which the misunderstanding of "literal" shows its negative implications. It may be attractive to some people (meta-moderns? traditionalists? Orthodox?) to identify the division of the secular and religious spheres with the misuse (or equivocation) of "literal". Let's push the analogy a little further: The Catholic church uses the framework they created to insist there is a physical presence, and the reformers use the 19th century German (Lutheran) scientific academic framework to insist on the physical description of Noah's Ark. I'm not saying Holland should or shouldn't use the term "literal" in its misapplied sense, but it wouldn't be entirely inappropriate to do so... if he acknowledges that this may be one of the first times that the equivocation causes conflict in the West.

[@giuliosiciliano]

Made sense on many levels to me. To think of the way in which prophecy is often self fulfilling kind of boggles the mind. Think of the whole historical arc of that encounter between Luther and the prophet in a perfect storm of local sociocultural context is a kind of post hoc logic yet it points to the usual way hinge moments function. An anomaly in a changing environment may breed a new subspecies altogether. It’s also funny to me how the Huberman hit pièce had a local analog in Quebec. A semi-famous neuroscientist (Guillaume Dulude) was attacked in a serious paper this week by a fellow psychologist who considers him to be a grifter. His arc has interesting parallels with Peterson but he fits the Huberman (and ubermensch) archetype physically. I suspect there are local analogs like this all over the globe in the current cultural context. The charismatic counter-culture leader is nothing new. Which semi-cult of influence is a variant of a thriving subspecies is anyone’s guess at this point, but it’s fun to think about.

[@williambranch4283]

Quebec = Jonestown in French?

[@giuliosiciliano]

@@williambranch4283 Had to look it up. To answer, I'd say definitely not. About the topic, I was pointing to semi-cults of influence in broader terms, maybe like spirits?

[@jimluebke3869]

"The regular clergy are storing up religious benefits for the sake of the rest of the people" If Christianity is priceless as the foundation of our society, are these "religious benefits" really so insubstantial?

[@williambranch4283]

Quantifying spirit misses the point.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@williambranch4283 Spirit can't be quantized, but there still is "more" and "less". "Zero" and "anything" are different numbers, too. I don't think you can put a price on it, as the indulgences tried to. However, I am coming around to the idea that having local services held (that people can participate in) praising God, is essential in keeping people oriented towards Him. Having a beautiful building says, "this is what we honor". Having a service that everyone makes a discipline of attending, says "this is what we honor". Devoting time and effort to that, keeps souls from turning inwards on themselves in some kind of solipsistic "spirituality". Making that available to others, in public, helps reinforce / reinvigorate / revive it all.

[@WhiteStoneName]

54:48 check out that Sarah Hinckly Wilson article that I mentioned in my other comment. Belief =\ Thinking ideas or self-identifying with particular ideas. “Literally” Imma go with mysteria(o?)logically.

[@mloser9]

thanks for the video. you made me think that trump's recent attempt to sell his version of the bible might be somewhat related to what you mentioned regarding the moment in which people seek "firm ground" in the text (something like a search towards Wisdom) but in a special case. dont know if im the only one but trump's move feels (and can probably also be though as) fake, as in i dont think he wants wisdom but wants to say he is looking for it (or worst, that he has found it). thanks again for the topic!

[@mostlynotworking4112]

Chris Williamson must be doing a lot of self reflection 😅

[@JaxBespoked]

New York is now 4th in population behind Florida.

[@jimluebke3869]

Google and Amazon between them wiped out NYC's media and garment industries. Covid and "Defund the Police" did the rest, wrecking it as a luxury playground. What's left for NYC, aside from being a port? I suspect it's going to be "Oakland of the East" if it's lucky. Stockton, if it's not.

[@christopherlaycock7445]

I finally got suspended from X for a millstone comment. So I guess it’s just me and PVK. Because he’s not afraid.

[@PaulVanderKlay]

I'm more lenient than Elon I suppose... :)

[@christopherlaycock7445]

I was instantly banned for quoting Jesus regarding millstones. Instaban. 12hour timeout. Made my Easter better.

[@williambranch4283]

​@@christopherlaycock7445I have been banned or cancelled by some of the Best people ;-). X = Controlled Opposition

[@jimluebke3869]

"People get this sense of Jesus, and decide that what the church is doing doesn't match up" This can lead people astray, though. The "cosmic muffin" view of Jesus that a lot of people tend to have these days, is belied by the amount of time Jesus spends talking about sin and h*ll.

[@williambranch4283]

Two billion literate Christians, two billion potential Protestants ;-(

[@eax2010EA]

Obsession with certainty derived from our lowly senses is obsession with earthly immortality.

[@givenhawk]

well observed

[@PothePerson]

I like Brett Cooper too

[@maggen_me7790]

C.G Jung was concerned that Luther was doing more bad than good... thought the "Protestant" was throwing the baby out with the bathwater...in his eagerness to rid himself of the feminine.

[@rachaelgibson]

2:18 What is the religious imaginary? In defining God as a representation that WE make, Jordan Peterson said, "God is how we imaginatively and collectively represent the existence and action of consciousness across time." Is that the religious imaginary? In Pageau’s recent interview with Justin Brierley, Brierley says there’s an imaginative element to conversion, the imagination needs to get baptized, and there’s a “spiritual imaginative” component going on. Has John Vervaeke smuggled in Henry Corbin’s concept of the imaginal which he talks about all the time? In Episode 50 of Awakening From the Meaning Crisis says that having an imaginal relationship to the nothingness of God is part of overcoming meaninglessness. In introducing his new “Ultimate Reality” course he talks about the “role of imagination especially in the imaginal sense.” Or maybe the religious imaginary has something to do with etheric imagination which Matt Segall (frequent guest on Vervaeke’s channel) talks about and which I believe comes from Rudolph Steiner? Or should it be understood in its ordinary sense - stuff that doesn’t really exist, just made up? Christian fabrications? Religious imaginary could mean so many different things. Some clarification would be helpful.

[@anselman3156]

I am not surprised at the Steiner connection, There are quite a few anthroposophy/theosophy devotees in this "corner", and they continually emphasize imagination, fantasy and fairy tales, putting mythos in place of logos, fables instead of revealed truth. This is the "wilding" and "re-enchantment" that they propose to replace Christianity with.

[@rachaelgibson]

@@anselman3156 I was surprised to hear Justin Brierley use that kind of language.

[@anselman3156]

@@rachaelgibson Yes I noted that in him recently. I have felt like a lone dissenter in the "corner" for a long time disagreeing with the language of "enchantment" and the promotion of myth (what St Paul and St Peter denounce as fables to be avoided). My feeling is that many do not have a sense of the glory and rich treasures of wisdom to be found in Christ, who is the very Wisdom (Sophia) of God incarnate, and so seek a substitute in myth, fantasy fairy tales, sensual experiences, even recommending psyche delics and its associated pseudo mysticism. IThere is a hero worshiping of celebrity "converts" who import their pagan mythologizing into their articulation of "Christianity". Someone quoted the mythology professor convert as saying he wished St John in his Gospel had used the term mythos instead of Logos in John 1. If that was really said by him, it indicates an anti-Christian attitude to inspired Scripture, and a substituting of fable (mythos) for Logos (God the Word).

[@rachaelgibson]

@@anselman3156 Yes and before Brierley used the "imagination" language he said Christians should lean into it. There's also a misuse of CS Lewis to prop this stuff up because he used imaginative stories to illustrate truth and called Christianity the truth myth. That sort of language can be OK so long as there's an emphasis on the truth and reality God and Jesus Christ. But in TLC Santa Claus is called real and words like imaginary are applied to the things of Christianity.

[@anselman3156]

@@rachaelgibson Human imagination can be evil and lead astray when not informed by God's revelation and union with Christ so as to be guided by the Holy Spirit. There is a recklessness and very carnal and unspiritual thinking in the "corner". Those most addicted to it express their concern to drastically redefine Christianity,to change it beyond recognition ( eg witness the Jordan Wood conversation on Grail Country, Grail Country having spoken of their "heresy project" ). Those in this camp also want to promote process theology ideas about God changing into something different under the influence of human beings, and a pantheistic idea that each human being is by nature "the only begotten son of God". It has been said also that "a tree is Christ". That's a selection of quotes/ideas encountered in one particular corner of the "corner". The estuary has a lot of unclean spirits swimming in it.

[@Mooseman327]

I find it difficult to believe that Brett Cooper is NOT Ben Shapiro's daughter. I mean, come on.

[@williambranch4283]

People haven't changed in 500 years. Village people dependent on so called experts ;-(

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

In which Tom Holland validates the Orthodox narrative about the Great Schism.

[@danielhoward7310]

Can you explain? I've heard of the Great Schism but don't know much about it

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

@@danielhoward7310 It was the division between what became the Catholic Church and the rest of Christianity in the 11th century. The Eastern narrative presents the division as the Roman Pope innovating and going his own way (after being essentially forced to after coming under domination by Frankish rulers who held heretical views). The Catholic narrative writes those new innovations into the past and claims the Eastern churches departed from them. Holland definitely tells the tale as the Easterners do, calling the Great Schism "the first reformation" in this video.

[@danielhoward7310]

Interesting, thank you. Any books or videos you'd suggest on this subject?

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1]

@@danielhoward7310 Sure. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5eYiJmIgcSfnJI

[@TonyCRosa]

@6:21 a few genetic descendants of Jesus??? tell me more

[@williambranch4283]

In Medieval legend and connected to modern fantasy about the Holy Grail.

[@anselman3156]

Where are the Orthobos to stand up for the authenticity of the majority text/Byzantine text of St Mark's Gospel? Or have you all gone liberal Protestant in your approach to the text? Is this where Fr De Young's notion of the whole Church getting things wrong gets you? He said for a short time, but this text has been the official one across the centuries.

[@williambranch4283]

I am not "sola scriptura" but I accept the Nestle-Aland analysis of the Greek text of the NT. And the Septuagint should also be authoritative OT ... for Christians. The others are mere translations ;-) The early translations (Syriac) and the Hebrew Tanakh ... are useful for understanding the Greek texts. Jerome may be a great post-Nicene Father, given that the great pre-Nicene Father, Origen, had been excommunicated ;-(

[@anselman3156]

@@williambranch4283 No. We are talking Greek manuscripts here, not translations. The majority text of the New Testament, preserved and used in the Greek Church is authentic, not Nestle Aland

[@williambranch4283]

@@anselman3156 But I don't accept the authority of the Patriarch of Constantinople or of Rome ;-)

[@anselman3156]

@@williambranch4283 It's not just those patriarchs. It's the Fathers, St Irenaeus etc. and the whole Church in preserving the authentic text, the majority text. You've opted instead for a speculative revised text concocted from the 19th century onwards based on a handful of faulty manuscripts.

[@Parsons4Geist]

Juggling Six Women talk about the hero's journey that Jordan Peterson points in Jungian analysis

[@givenhawk]

sounds more like a lost boy's journey.

[@williambranch4283]

​@@givenhawkLord of the Flies?

[@williambranch4283]

One can write a Master's thesis on a single word, and all the ways it has been translated in the earliest manuscripts. I appreciate all the hard work of scholars, but unless they know Moses or Jesus, face-to-face, they are guessing. Fortunately, our connection to the Kingdom of G-d, is more than scriptural.

[@emy_2510]

sounds like an Ancient Languages thesis hahaha...Greek, Hebrew for sure

[@williambranch4283]

@@emy_2510 Small parts of the received texts are in Aramaic also. Aramaic is related to Hebrew. Hellenistic Jews used "koine" but its usage wasn't Gentile.

[@emy_2510]

@@williambranch4283 yes, yes. Im still in academia and ancient languages are kinda my thing, not the best at it 😅 but yep

[@williambranch4283]

@@emy_2510 I studied Spanish and Russian as electives in school. As part of worship, I taught myself Biblical Hebrew. As a working senior and in retirement, studying languages is one of my favorite hobbies. You don't have to master it, just be good enough for what you want to do ;-) I am listening to trad classical Chinese music right now, as I review my Chinese ;-))

[@emy_2510]

@@williambranch4283 wowza. Thats sounds wonderful! I did Hebrew, Greek, Latin in undergrad and am continuing with Greek and Syriac or Latin, still deciding before starting in Fall :).

[@Orandu]

Women are more dangerous to juggle than flaming chainsaws.

[@PaulVanderKlay]

Very true. :)

[@jimluebke3869]

Unprovoked and awful charges, words that drip corrupt and poison, scientific vivisection of one 'til it is raw, and the victim writhes in anguish? Checks out.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@jimluebke3869bruh what are you talking about?

[@jimluebke3869]

@@TitusCastiglione1503Read Rudyard Kipling's, "The Female of the Species".

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@jimluebke3869 so was what you were saying a quote?

[@ChrishBlake]

Andrew Ubermensch

[@sunrhyze]

24:30 this is the appropriate spot for the pot roast joke: A woman is preparing a pot roast for the oven while her friend is visiting, and this friend observes the woman cut off a couple inches from one end of the roast and set it on top of the rest of it in the pan. The friend asks why she's doing that and the reply is that it's always been done that way in her family and she learned it from her mother. Yes, but why, the friend presses. Suddenly curious herself, the woman calls her mother and is told the same story, she learned it from her own mother, and if you really want to know just call your grandmother and ask her. Grandma, upon hearing the question, bursts out laughing and says, "Well, I don't know why the two of you are doing that, but I did it because the roast was always too long to fit in the pan I had." I'm sure there's a lesson in here somewhere. 🙂

[@chrishoward8473]

(Trump, among his followers is actually seen as More honest, or at least more authentic, because his faults are on parade.)

[@PaulVanderKlay]

I think there is truth in there. You just have to ask if you want this for your POTUS. There are going to be A LOT of Americans who REALLY don't like what the two parties are offering this year. Best year in a long time for a third party candidate. I don't know that RFK Jr. is it though. There are a lot of reasons to run for POTUS. It's not going to be a boring year at least.

[@williambranch4283]

RFK Jr has the least negative polling. 75% of voters don't want a 2020 rematch.

[@chrishoward8473]

@@PaulVanderKlay My wife tells me that if nominated I cannot run and if elected I cannot serve.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@williambranch4283 Wait until the Right hears about his environmental record.

[@williambranch4283]

@@jimluebke3869 RFK Jr subtracts from Biden ... he isn't Ross Perot subtracting from Bush.

[@catejames6453]

11:18 I’m hopeful still-ish 12:02 this is boring what’s the point 12:24 I like his accent 12:38 oh, it’s the end of the world. Yep. 15:42 riding the spirits, I like that. Good phrase 17:54 ah, humanism. Is huberman a humanist 🧐. Thought he was a snake oil salesman grifting off of the Stanford name to gain access to women and people fall for his hollow-soul’d-out ideologies 21:56 I missed a lot of what you just said 24:30 good point! 25:35 yes! 27:10 huberman is a douche 29:44 policing of sexuality? Or of being a narcissistic liar? Cuomo was a Covid era politician and his brother blah blah 32:32 literal- physical-material- law - “where is it written”…we’re adjusting to gaslighting ubiquity?! 35:17 men would rather do a whole course in religious history than…. 37:04 so is that what Richard Simmons was in his era? 41:08 huberman is a snake. Eww Paul! 47:38 can you do a thing on Cain and Abel please 🙏 52:31 badah bing badah boom 55:29 uhhhh 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@mostlynotworking4112]

Tree tags. Ty

[@anselman3156]

6:19 Jesus created Genghis Khan and gave him the gift of being able to add to the population of the world and provide bodies for directly created souls to inhabit. Misuse of procreative powers is still turned to good by God Who brings good out of evil.

[@excaliburironforce9908]

Go right ahead and attempt to rationalize selfishness 😅

[@anselman3156]

@@excaliburironforce9908 It is not rationalizing selfishness at all. It is recognizing that God brings good out of men's evil actions. He makes his rain and sun to come on the good and the evil. What men mean for evil, God works out for good. Procreative power is a gift from God and offspring are both a gift from God (even to the undeserving and a responsibility. Each person will be judged for his/her own behavior, and receive evil in return for evil they have done, unless they repent and amend. Every human soul is precious no matter if their bodily conception was the result of sinful misuse of procreative power. Jesus Christ is the true father of all human kind. Parents are simply his servants in the multiplying of their numbers and in providing bodies for souls God wills to be born into this world.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

​@anselman3156 love that you're back posting again. I've missed your strong defense of traditional catholic apostolic Christianity.

[@anselman3156]

@@ButterBobBriggs Thanks, Bob You are good company around here.

[@joeya289]

Genghis Khan killed an estimated 40 million people. "Add to the population of the world" is bad math.

[@christianbaxter_yt]

1st?

[@christianbaxter_yt]

@phlebas9204 😆 thank you for your teaching!

[@Mooseman327]

Something not quite right about Huberman. All of a sudden, the guy is everywhere. Someone's pushing him on us. From Stanford...ugh. Seems like he's being positioned as another Neil DeGrasse-Tyson. Be wary.

[@nektulosnewbie]

Zipoer control problems: Trump wasn't a Republican until the moment he decided to run as one. And a major reason he gained tractions was that he punched back when punched. So many conservative Americans I know were sick of Republicans being silent to not sacrifice their principles rather than fighting for them. It's comparable to a wholesome, decent long suffering wife who eventually gets sick of her husbands actics and everyone's shocked that she winds up having an affair but is smirking to herself about it; "I wasn't the little good girl they thought I was!". There's a price to pay for doing that, but falling for Trump didn't come out of nowhere.