Emergency stop with an electronic parking brake?! Plus YOUR Dacia Jogger questions answered.

[@Plimp92601]

Electric parking brake engineer here. When the brake system is fully functional without fault, pulling the parking brake switch will apply 4 wheel hydraulic braking with ABS. Why? Like you said Ian, in case theres a broken brake pedal or a bottle of water trapped under it. THEN, if theres a fluid leak ir such, the brake system will detect that, and the decel will be provided by the rear cailper EPB motors with rudimentary unlocker too. (Basic abs). In fact there are 3 fallback levels depending on the brake system fault type. Very safe. Thanks for pointing this out be because many people dont know you can use it this way in an emergency.

[@hunchanchoc8418]

Not much good for handbrake turns though, :-(

[@christopherbaglin4314]

That was my theory. But I am impressed that Ian did this test already wearing brown trousers. Corduroys to boot...

[@L5GUK]

@@hunchanchoc8418 women are far more impressed by your flicky finger work ;)

[@colinjones2505]

I'm sure I watched someone on You Tube applying the electic brake at a relatively high speed...50/60 mph ish, and nothing happened, UNTIL he held the lever upwards continuously, and then it did actually gradually slow the car down. Can't vouch for if this is normal on all cars with such a device or not though, and I'm not trying it out either

[@carlmichael5592]

Can we all blame you then that repairs to these things cost not much short of £1000?

[@micheltebraake7915]

Finally someone who tests the E-handbrake.

[@wirdy1]

Much better than watching videos of you failing at the spannering. Back to your original format of reviewing cars superbly & I thoroughly enjoyed this 👍.

[@goosegog]

Curiosity got the better of me in my 2018 Kia Soul and I tried the little parking brake switch at 50 mph. It did bring the car to a very swift and safe halt. Great fun!

[@grayfool]

Touch screens in cars are the work of the devil. You can't use your phone but it's OK to faf about with the screen to adjust anything. Stupid.

[@haleroe9398]

Yes my thoughts exactly I've said it for years illegal to use a phone but legal to use a touchscreen radio etc it doesn't make sense

[@geoffwoodgate7450]

Really easy to use on this car. I drove a very very similar Nissan in South Africa last year. Same infotainment system. Really easy to connect my phone to it. Actually possible to answer a Whatsapp call hands free. I was genuinely impressed. Also had the 3 cylinder turbo engine which was an absolute hoot. Really liked the car. I think it was the Sandero equivalent?

[@matthewc.419]

Big Brother " it's for your own safety " .

[@Mudster250]

You can use your phone legally, provided its in a holder. Which kinda makes it equivalent to a central screen to use.

[@germaineliew2012]

The only touch screens in cars I care about is ones with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. Plug in your phone, everything comes up on screen, and operated with voice commands. Your phones are better infotainment than most of these touchscreens. And worse offenders are the ones that hide car settings in the infotainment and capacitive touch buttons.

[@antonioercolino6087]

So refreshing to view a 'real life' road test instead of 'how fast does it go' nonsense reviews. It's changed my perspective of Dacia cars. Thanks Ian. I hope to see at the NEC. Tony. 👍

[@terencehawkes3933]

Very good question you addressed here, Ian. I always wanted to try that. but have never had the nerve. Looks like it works surprisingly well.

[@ethelmini]

An important lesson to share - it could save your life if you're ever in a car with an incapacitated driver. Particularly if you're that driver

[@Phiyedough]

If you did have brake failure but wanted to get it home or to a mechanic, you would not want every brake application to be an emergency stop. With an ordinary handbrake you could be leaving a big gap in front and just applying it for gentle braking.

[@wirdy1]

I wonder if you could on/off/on/off the e-handbrake?

[@jusb1066]

I once drove a knackered Morris minor over 20 miles with no conventional brakes at all only the handbrake

[@HTMLEXP]

​@@jusb1066brakes on any Morris Minor I've driven take inputs other than stamping on the pedal as purely advisory. Perhaps using the handbrake more would actually be more effective.

[@jo_clarke1960]

​@@wirdy1From my experience no, it's on or off, you'd have to be damn quick on the button, even if it does. They are a pain.

[@geoffwoodgate7450]

@@jusb1066 I drove my TR7 from Exeter to Molesey once using only the handbrake. Kept the speed below 50 up the M3.

[@davidallum2728]

I've had my MCV ( Ambience) for 10 years without any problems whatsoever. £8.500 brand new. No bells and whistles, 0.890 cc , powerfull enough for me. I traded in my much loved 06 Berlingo, ( with a profit) so win win for me.

[@mpersad]

One has to accept that if you need 7 seats then internal luggage capacity will always be compromised. With 4 children, we had a 7 seat Landcruiser for 13 years, and the roof box was a given. I genuinely think Dacia have done the public a real favour with their range of vehicles. Great reviews, thank you.

[@blackpool321]

My father had a Peugeot 404 family estate car in the 70s it fitted us all in on three rows of seats and had a decent luggage space even with all three rows of sears in use , we once used a roof rack to take a dingy on a holiday to wales .

[@gg_vard]

Love to see the french are still sticking with the stereo controls on the separate control, and it's interesting how it's not only Renault / Dacia but also Citroen / Peugeot

[@35dononeill]

So do hyundai's

[@mopedder2621]

"more cylinders adds more smooths" - possibly the best layout description I've ever heard! 😁

[@twocvbloke]

Applying the electronic handbrake was tested recently by garage54 on various modern car models they had on hand, so I already knew the outcome technically, some makes and models can be pretty fierce with engaging the electronic brake while driving and stopping pretty harshly, others actually treat it like a proper emergency braking application, applying the brakes all round, activating the hazards and setting off the dingers, and they handled pretty well from what they showed, the Lada estate at the end on the other hand, erm......... :P

[@darthvirago]

Talking of ebrakes A year or tow ago I was walking up to the market in Mold, as I passed the carpark a parked Ford Focus's Ebrake let go and rolled down the carpark. luckily a low wall and fence stopped it from it from running me over. I have heard it is known for them to let go. I like my good old proper handbrake.

[@HubNut]

Plenty of conventional handbrakes fail. The Citroen Xantia had a recall because of it. Never trust a parking brake! Always leave the car in gear.

[@JohnMintyTech]

Where I work we have a 'leave vehicle in gear' policy and we have to reverse park. Rather good I think ​@@HubNut

[@darthvirago]

@@HubNut I always park in gear too. just to be sure. I know a guy that had a Dacia stepway. he had it a few years and it was a reliable car. Didn't give him any trouble.

[@jusb1066]

Considering the amount of E brakes now, it's an extremely rare occurrence to see one rolling away, in fact probably less likely because you must be can't forget to apply them

[@L5GUK]

@@jusb1066 not to mention there's no cable that can fail. The handbrake is a ratcheted motor mechanically locked in place. I'm sure they've thought of fail safes and points of failure. That said, car in gear when parked on any slope.

[@l33two]

I own the 2024 (May) Jogger Hybrid (pre-lane departure version). None of the interior lights (boot included) will stay on for any length of time without the "engine" on. The rear drums have a tendency to stick on if the car has been stood in damp/wet conditions for more than 2 days. Potentially this is down to significantly less braking use when in "B" mode (regen braking). There's a known issue with the DAB radio not detecting stations. This is due to be fixed in a later software update . I too just use the Apple CarPlay & stream the radio. Have actually found this works better than DAB anyway, especially when in rural areas. The AirCon noise you describe my be limited to the 1L versions as I haven't heard this in the Hybrid. The AirCon will run on the Hybrid without the engine running. The headlights are always in "auto" mode but the feature of the lights being turned on with the wipers are enabled is missing (had it in a previous Peugeot). You have to manually override the "auto" if you want the headlights on during daytime rain. The side exhaust is only on the 1L versions to avoid the spare wheel. On the hybrid it's right at the rear of the car, beyond the Hybrid battery (no spare wheel). Overall it's a great package for the money.

[@HubNut]

Thanks. Had a Fiat 500e last year with rear discs and they stuck on after two days as well...

[@JoeAquatic]

Wow, an actual car review with things people care about! Congrats!!

[@paultasker7788]

I had a 1.2tsi Leon with 110bhp. With 1 or 2 people in the car was nippy. Fully loaded with 2 dogs and camping gear it felt quite sluggish when overtaking. It was however better than a 1.6 focus I previously owned of similar power which needed to be worked really hard up hills. Although not fast to accelerate when fully loaded the small turbo has the peak power in the mid range so not much need to exceed 3000rpm even up hills. Maintaining speed wasn't an issue. The torque helps a lot and you'll find you've got similar power to a naturally aspirated larger engine but more torque so it actually needs to be worked less hard. The 1.6 diesel that replaced it with same power output was affected far less though. Power similar when empty but when full the diesel wasn't much slower than when empty.

[@JohnMintyTech]

That's a really good test. My current car is the first I've had with an electronic parking brake. I would have preferred a lever and button affair but I couldn't be too fussy.

[@MattBrownbill]

Previa had 8 seats and a workable boot. 😊

[@danieltaylor8089]

I have a C5 aircross, curiosity got the better of me & I found a new way to do a burnout 😅

[@L5GUK]

Interesting test. My Mk7 Golf has a electronic brake and while it will happily engage at well under 5mph ive never tried it any faster. Different marque, but it's likely a similar system since i would imagine it would be sone kind of regulation. E-handbrakes have been equipped in cars for a number of years now without any reliability issues to any amount that are worth worrying about. The same could be said for airbags when they were introduced, ABS and servo'd brakes, power steering etc etc. All 'just another thing to go wrong', which more often than not, do not, for most people. The only downside to e-handbrakes is that you can't yank it to impress the ladies. But I'm sure they're generally more impressed by your finger talents of flicking the button...

[@johnkeepin7527]

Quite a few car manufacturers use the same supplier for major subsystems like that, typically Bosch GmbH, and it will have to comply with the relevant standards.

[@Richard-Bullock]

I was one of the first people in the UK to take delivery of a Dacia Sandero, back in March 2013. I bitterly regret having to sell it. Unfortunately I have issues with my feet, and that generation of Sandero has an unusually small clutch pedal. I didn't feel safe driving it, so unfortunately it had to go. Otherwise it was a great car. And the current models seem even better.

[@gg_vard]

Being younger and quite familiar with modern cars didn't expect that exhaust situation!

[@davidrumming4734]

Fantastic video follow up. Not much to add to that lot. The electronic brake on a different car was tested by Ashley Neal. I quite like them…it is on the 2018 era Civic…I drove the manual transmission. But be careful, remember a number of cars had failures when left standing….cars rolling away unattended. Always leave the car in 1st or Reverse gear….or Park if an automatic. No wet belt engine 👏 You’ll need the backup camera + front & back parking sensors in this car. As I said before, my experience of small petrol-turbo cars isn’t great…the civic was a bit lumpy pulling away. I would prefer a 1.3 or 1.4 naturally aspirated engine. And no turbo=less to go wrong….more something for 2nd hand buyers. Diesel power, with a modern turbo diesel engine….60-70mpg average….but the fuel costs more and so would the car. The AC pump on my Honda is also noticeable when it cuts in and out (which happens a lot….climate control), but not enough to hear once the car is on the move. My current car has lane departure warning, but not lane assist…a bit too old. Apparently some cars pull the wheel a fair bit….haven’t driven one yet…i imagine it feels like the tracking is out. Ditto speed limiters. I have manual and automatic speed limiters. The auto limiter reads speed signs but has no online linking to find the correct speed when it can’t read a sign or there hasn’t been one for a number of miles. Both systems are switched off by default….if switched on, I can’t temporarily override them using kickdown or switching to Sport mode…the only way is to switch the function off…luckily it’s buttons on the steering wheel. The only part of the system which is always on…is passive speed sign reading…it always attempts to read the signs and display that speed on the dashboard….but limiter function is not engaged. A side mounted tailpipe!

[@dylanlobban1627]

About the aircondition compressor you mentioned being noisy in the video, I barely use my aircon in my 2019 Toyota Aygo because aswell as being noisy, it makes the car vibrate something horrific and cuts engine power every 20 seconds or so.

[@jusb1066]

Same, you can hear the kerchunk feel the loss of power

[@Robhalifax]

I've recently had to give up driving, so I've Missed out on all the excessive technology. Good timing I think.

[@davidpickard9393]

The Renault Clio Lane Departure has 3 levels and a dashboard on off switch. It works very well on late notification setting

[@alanlansdell7533]

Our local drive in cinema uses networked speakers that you put on your dashboard to prevent the issue you describe.

[@35dononeill]

I find that I have gotten used to the lane discipline. I really love the cruise control on my car. On mine "Bayon", there is a pause button for it & it leaves to very relaxed driving. I love the android car system which gives you access to everything on your phone. I have completed long drives in a 30 year old car and a 23 car. The biggest difference is the less stress you feel knowing that the new car will make. There is no wriggly thought from driving an old car.

[@hunchanchoc8418]

There's no fun in that, though! Unless it's an EV and you're wondering if you'll get there before the battery runs out...

[@MrTomwinter]

Great video Ian it was very interesting to see what happens when you pull the handbrake. Size comparison with Logan they are almost the same size in length and width but the Jogger has a longer wheelbase and is taller.

[@darrenwilson8042]

Its funny I had 3 years with an Insignia with an electric handbrake and it worked well. I got so used to the auto release when setting off that when it was replaced with a C-Max with a handbrake I spent at least a couple of weeks pulling away in a car looking like a dog wiping its bottom across the living room carpet lol - just dragged its arse for the first few metres

[@daniellee9015]

Absolutely brilliant video ian ❤👍 still a nice spect car brilliant

[@misterthegeoff9767]

Even though my mini I owned when I was 17 had dual circuit brakes I still had the joy of a complete brake failure. I took the car to be serviced at Halfords (in my defence I couldn't afford to do better as I worked at Halfords at the time myself) and they informed me that all but 2 of my slave cylinders had seized and the other 2 were weeping so they replaces the slave cylinders on all 4 corners. Then they did a godawful job of bleeding the brakes, gave the car back to me and my foot went flat to the floor in front of a lolliop lady outside a school. Luckily the handbrake worked and equally luckily it was a Leyland era mini so it already had a brown interior.

[@HubNut]

Gawd...

[@icascone]

I'm really impressed with the jogger even if I don't quite like the styling...

[@ruairiobradaigh9810]

The missus has a dacia sandero stepway,never given a problem in 5 years of ownership,including a trip from Ireland to London good mpg too it's the diesel 1.5

[@youbencowell]

I tried the electric handbrake on dad's brand new Citroen C4 Picasso at 50mph. Not the smoothest braking but it kept the car entirely in control. And that was years ago.

[@tonysargent7787]

another great video has always Ian and Carly miss/mrs hubnut and hublets and hubmutt 👍

[@tauncfester3022]

Just would like to point out that SAAB and a few other Euro spec cars had dual circuit brakes in the mid 1960's. These were brake masters made by Ate, and I had the opportunity to experience a flexible brake line failure and was able to limp home to find and fix which line had failed. Quite a few of these Euro spec cars with the Ate system also had a mechanical assist as part of the disc brake front calipers that were the cable operated parking brake pulled or pressed on the caliper pads independent of the hydraulic braking system.

[@mrcoolsun3142]

I had two brake hoses blow at once a number of years ago, a Ford Escort which was only about a year old, going into a corner at speed - I lost all braking and it was only the handbrake that saved me from a nasty accident!

[@volvo-express]

Great honest review

[@jdmsnowmonkey7913]

In terms of 7 seaters that still have decent-ish boot space with all seats up, the vehicle that immediately comes to mind is the Toyota Alphard. Still not a very long cargo area behind the third row, but the height and width of the body (plus the low load lip) means it's probably still quite a versatile space.

[@volvo480]

I should try a similar test in my Mk3 Volvo V70 which has electric handbrake as well. The manual says pressing the handbrake switch (pull is release) while the car is rolling, it will apply all four brakes until you come to a standstill, then it will apply the parking brake. However, if you are driving over 10 km/h, it will sound an alarm and apply emergency braking until you release the switch. Sounds like fun to try out on an empty road. 😅

[@stevencampbell1150]

Regarding the latest Jogger I'm guessing like all the latest Renaults that it'll have a perso mode which will let you set up which things like lane keep assist and other safety features with one button the only drawback being you have to do so every time you get in the car. On my Toyota Corolla hybrid lane keep assist is off unless you turn it on as it's 2022 but the 2023 one I had before that very briefly the lane keep assist was on unless you turned off.

[@Dhira108]

I've only just found out about this it's a great safety feature Makes me rethink the whole ebrake

[@UnusSedLeo-w5l]

I love old school handbrakes. Also better for more 'spoty driving' too :P.

[@meirionrhys3786]

Electric handbrake mechanisms have been around for about 20 years so they are well proven, Renault included, the mechanism uses a servo motor pulling cables connected to a traditional mechanical caliper, the motor is nigh on identical to the L322 range rover and D3/D4 discoveries. Auto hold function is carried out by the ABS pump and a clutch position sensor.

[@BReal-10EC]

Great idea! I had not really even though about the E-E-brake situation when you need an E-brake. I tried the 18 F150's Electric Emergency Brake today and it worked very well- but I had to hold the switch up the whole time and it beeped loudly. My concern with an E-E-brake is it relies on the Car's Electrical system working. What if you have an electrical failure? A ground strap failure? I want a lever that only relies on my arm strength, not the ECU and electric motor working properly.

[@hadtopicausername]

Lane departure, or lane assist, as it's called in my car, can easily be turned off, but it will be on by default the next time you get into the car. It's one of those silly laws that on is the default. You'd have to actually mess about with the OBD connector and a proper programming tool to change this.

[@HowardLeVert]

And I suspect programming that out would probably invalidate your insurance.

[@hadtopicausername]

@@HowardLeVert That is highly likely.

[@MrTomwinter]

I have used all 7 seats in mine it is absolutely fine in terms of power.

[@timgass5426]

Yep. Same.

[@giles133]

I've got a Mk8 golf estate company car and the electric handbrake has been perfect for 55k miles. It's occasionally a little slow to release but it's soon works it out.

[@Oldsmobile69]

The Renault 3cyl engine is BRILLIANT! Other stuff isn't as good, like the shifter is awful to use and the suspension on the Dacias is not good. But the engine is great.

[@laurradu868]

This TCe110 engine is used more on Nissan cars, like Juke. Renault used to use this engine on Megane Sedan made in Turkey. It is a direct injection common rail gasoline engine. It is also a three cylinder version of the more popular 1.33 4 pot engine. The main fault of this are engine mounts and the clutch-flywheel assembly. But, when it works, it's quite fun to drive. I have it on a Sandero Stepway and it's brilliant. The suspension is OK, but a little on the hard side so the little bumps and potholes are a little more intrusives. The most irritating thing is the plastic rattle, especially on cold days.

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

The stereo issue would annoy me if i was waiting more than 2 mins picking someone up. I think i got 40 mins in the Cactus before it went into economy mode. Thanks for answering my question a informative video and good to know you can do a emergency stop with a e brake. I was tempted to try when i had my astra J a few years back.

[@michaeltutty1540]

Dual circuit brakes were mandated in 1969 here in Canada. I believe the US mandated the dual circuit at the same time. There are two places on most cars where the two systems share a piece of equipment. The Master Cylinder is the first. On cars with ABS, the pump is the other. On cars without ABS there is a proportioning valve. I have had the latter split on me, leaving me no hydraulic brakes. The mechanical parking brake saved the day.

[@LesterLovesWatches]

I used the handbrake in my W123 and by the time the car stopped I had upcycled the brake handle into a nice umbrella.

[@jfv65]

??? a W123 has a park brake PEDAL and a release PULL on the dash.

[@Phiyedough]

@@jfv65 Ah, I had wondered about that. I didn't know how you would do a hill start with a manual but if the release is by hand you still have 2 feet free for the clutch and accelerator.

[@LesterLovesWatches]

@jfv65 A RHD W123,doesn’t have a parking brake pedal, only an engage/release handle.

[@tauncfester3022]

My W114 has a foot operated parking brake, always liked that feature, especially the dash release knob and the thrum the cables make when releasing it. Discs all around and they have these tiny shoes inside the rear brake's discs, inside their own little drum, very resistant to wet, marine layer air here.

[@alansmith1770]

The Dacia is a nice car & do like estates. But all the gizmos would really annoy me. For instance the electronic handbrake. My KA+ has some tech but I've found the ECU can have daydreams & throws up wierd messages. One nice touch the radio controls are on the steering wheel. Thanks Ian great vid

[@ethelmini]

Six inline engines are the smoothest because "mirrored" pairs of cylinders cancel out each other's inertia that would make the engine rock end to end. A four cylinder engine can do the same, with the outer pistons going up together while the inner pair are going down. What a 4 cylinder can't do is have the crank arms equally spaced 120 degrees apart: so the power strokes are equally distributed across the crank's rotation - but a 3 cylinder engine can. It can also combat that for & aft seesawing, by having a balance shaft, or deliberately off balance lumps on the crank ends (i.e. flywheel & front pulleys or sprockets). Since the middle cylinder is... in the middle, it can't see saw so you only need 2 counterbalances.

[@MotoringCultureMagazine]

For the people hung up on the small capacity: with modern turbocharged engines you have to look at the torque figure and compare that to a naturally aspirated engine of similar torque. That's going to be a good indication of how the engine feels and behaves in most driving conditions.

[@alexwade9921]

I tried the exact same test of the electronic handbrake in a VW Passat, around 2015 vintage. It was a hire car from work. It instantly locked the rear wheels and I nearly crashed! 😂😂

[@niklaswejedal463]

The wonderfully minimal number of settings in the screen made me get an idea for a future HubNut t-shirt: "Infotainment - Less is More!" 😁 I really can't be bothered with more than two things to choose the setting for 😅

[@tonys1636]

Frequency based resonance is very common, had an Escort that most of the ventilation ducting vibrated loudly when fan on low speed, the bonnet of the Wife's Capri vibrated at 1800 rpm, could be seen from the seats, the missing sound deadening probably the cause (replacement bonnet ?). Dancing water drops were amusing.

[@Teribus13]

I've only had complete service brake failure once, that was in an N-reg mk4 Fiesta (it was one of the earliest mk4s actually), the master cylinder failed on it - brake fluid leaking backwards through the master cylinder towards the servo. I was able to drive it home using the handbrake - you can at least modulate a mechanical handbrake which you can't do with an electric button handbrake. With the electric button handbrakes, they're either on or off. With a manual cable handbrake (and an air handbrake, as it happens), you can apply it as lightly or as heavily as you want. In terms of diesel, I think diesel is a far better choice for high mileage work. If you're doing mileage like I was until recently, 33-34,000 miles a year, I'd rather have a lazy turbo diesel than a stressed small capacity turbo petrol for longevity. If a 1-litre petrol one can return 50MPG, I'd say getting 70MPG from a 1.5 diesel would be easy.

[@Matthew-Fletcher]

Regarding lane assist and brake assist (which I absolutely despise). In the brand new 74 plate Mercedes Sprinters at work you can turn these off but you have to do it every time you get in the van, which when you've got 20-30 deliveries a day is infuriating. The first day I took the new vans out, it slammed on the brakes for no reason when joining the A3 at Shannon's Corner whilst I was doing 40-45ish. Thankfully no one was behind me as that could have been a shunt. The systems just don't work and cause a lot of annoyance and potential accidents

[@HubNut]

I am VERY concerned about the limitations with this technology. Computers are terrible at knowing what the speed limit is.

[@HowardLeVert]

@@HubNut A lot of lane departure systems will trigger if you either fail to use your indicators when changing lanes (discovered this on a rented Suzuki Vitara) or if you cross a SOLID white line (Mercedes A class), e.g. by coming onto a slip road a little too early. I had one in a Corsa go off when approaching a roundabout whilst passing a cyclist.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

My 7 series BMW uses the hydrologics to if the engine is on and there are no brake system faults. Otherwise it uses the electric brake which doesn't skid the car but its far harder to control. I prefer the old type personally. With hydrologic braking the ABS is active. The bottom line is if the brakes fail while driving use the electronic one. Good to know tnis.

[@MrTomwinter]

Clutch issue got sorted in 2023 model year with an adjustment to the torque settings.

[@Boating_David]

I'll be honest I was waiting for a cacophony of beeps when you pulled on the parking brake button, especially with it's French lineage 😂

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

If i had one of these I would change the oil twice as often and I would be very careful to warm up the engine before using boost.

[@mrjsv4935]

Interesting test. My 2016 Kia Rio still has old school hand brake lever, a beeper alarm comes on if hand brake is pulled when the car is in motion. Probably one of the first, if not the first normal road car with electronic hand brake was 2005 VW Passat, if I recall correctly. I remember reading one accident report, that someone forgot to set it on when the car was parked, it rolled off the parkinglot and killed someone.

[@HubNut]

Which may be why this car applies the handbrake if you haven't and you open the door.

[@jusb1066]

They solved that by most of them automatically apply even when at traffic light

[@ethelmini]

16:45 That's not a cup holder - It's an inkwell*, so the Hublets can copy their homework on the school run. * People of a certain age will have shared the nostalgia.

[@colinjones2505]

Hate the electronic handbrake in my Skoda, but it does release automatically which is a slight bonus. Put it on whilst still moving slowly however, and it is a violent stop. Never tried it at speed. I do worry sometimes as to what will happen if it ever fails....on or off, especially on. No doubt it will happen one day in the future.

[@mrcoolsun3142]

My Dacia Sandero 90tce is always a bit 'lumpy' on a cold start but I only notice it as I need to do a three point turn when starting off from home.

[@mbak7801]

The Renault Zoe has the same handbrake. The handbrake keeps coming on automatically which is a pain. It means if you park up for a couple of days it rusts on and it can take some time with loads of error messages being displayed before there is a massive BANG and it comes off. This might be a real pain after a two week holiday.

[@HubNut]

The Fiat 500 EV did that after being parked up for two days...

[@johnkeepin7527]

Similar set up on a Toyota hybrid, but it is possible to disable auto Electronic Parking Brake (EPB), which is useful in freezing cold conditions parked on the level to avoid the risk of the pads being frozen on. I normally let it work automatically, though.

[@tomoreilly9932]

There is a review on KZbin where the jogger is fully loaded with people and it obviously is affected by that but it doesn't stop it from making good progress,but obviously the extra weight will make a difference on comfort, acceleration,and fuel economy,but it can cope fully loaded

[@jo_clarke1960]

At present lane assist and sone other features can be truned off, however it has to be done each time a car is first started, then it will work until you turn the engine off, even on stop/start. Ive hired a few 23/4 models of late with the kit on and i founf the electric handbrake to be a pain, I experience them sticking on hills when left and even on our drive which is about 1 in 12.

[@chuckmaddison2924]

The " Emergency stop " i had to look. In Australia its not part of the test to get your Provisional licence. When my kid's did their tests they also didn't do a 3 point turn as considered not safe.

[@indecisiveauto]

I was most impressed by the Jogger but I don't think I could live with that aircon noise after our little run out in it - nor that speaker grill rattling, that would of driven me absolutely mad! 🤣. Was very surprised how smooth and eager the engine seemed though, especially given how hard the engine mounts were working at idle! 😁

[@patrickharveyy]

It's basically a 7 seater VW Up GTI and quite frankly, what more do you need!

[@eddieallen6401]

That’s a remarkably accurate description.

[@BillyNoMates1974]

carwow tested a 1.0l jogger with 7 people up and 200kgs of weight in the boot. yes it was slower and the fuel economy dropped from an average of 50mpg down to 46mpg. but ti still went and carried people. even emergency stop with all up weight was exactly the same as per empty. 34 meters if you are interested

[@hunchanchoc8418]

Impressive!

[@BrorAppelsin]

CNG Passat and Skoda Octavia also have sort of side exhausts as they end just before rear wheels. Apparently it isn't recommended to route the exhaust under the gas bottles or something 😅

[@beausexon7546]

Very interesting to see, thank you! I wi dear what happens if you switch the stop start button whilst driving?

[@HubNut]

I'll have to borrow another car and find out!

[@conradharcourt8263]

Had a 1600 Focus that was teeth-grittingly noisy at 70 and 3,500rpm. Now have a 1.2 Nissan Kumquat that will happily cruise at 2000rpm in 6th gear. Downside is that it does have an electronic handbrake that I loathe, particularly when trying to move off quickly uphill and having to wait for the brake to apply before you can move your foot onto the throttle and then again as you bring up the clutch and it slowly releases. I guess it would be less of a nuisance with an automatic.

[@gg_vard]

And also the Dokker was replaced by the Renault Express (basically a facelift). I don't know if it's available in the UK. It's basically a cheap alternative to the new Kangoo (with its Nissan and Mercedes siblings)

[@sleepycatpictures1176]

That surprises me. I thought the brake would not activate until the vehicle was stationary. I think I might be out of touch . . .

[@TheChloeRed]

My Infiniti Q30 (so W176 merc) it says to do exactly what you did for the handbrake. Only issue is the control isn't on the centre console. It's down to the right of the steering column, under the dashboard. So to use it myself, being 192cm tall, you have to lean forward till your face it against the steering wheel to reach the damn thing!

[@HubNut]

At which point applying makes you headbutt the wheel. Sensible!

[@TheChloeRed]

@@HubNut Those wacky germans... ;)

[@icascone]

11:06 in terms of seven seaters that are European wagons it would be difficult but the Land Rover Discovery 4 does have decent boot space, but again, I guess that is big 4X4...

[@jamespentecost3002]

We have had 4 Dacia's a Sandero Stepway, and yes the clutch could be an intermittent problem, foot sudden loss of pressure when depressed, I belive it was the slave cylinder in the clutch casing that was faulty, car pulled like a train for it being a 1ltr engine, we then had a Logan Stepway, same engine and massive boot space, moved on to a Duster 1.5 diesel and finally last year bought a brand new 1.3 Duster auto, on all models we had there is an ECO button, no good for town driving so on motorway I bring the car up to speed then switch it on, it seems to turn the turbo down a bit, we paid £24500.00 for it having got £ 1900.00 for our 2019 Skoda Karoq, it was a bit dearer as I added a service plan and 3 year extended warranty.

[@HowardLeVert]

If it was any of my BMWs you'd not notice the handbrake being applied... because the handbrakes on my last two 5ers were/are absolute rubbish. You had to rely on putting the transmission in park - yet somehow they always passed the MoT on that.

[@paultasker7788]

Air conditioning compressor on my golf 7 causes a vibration through the feet that makes the engine feel less smooth than with it off. Was the same with a leon so it must be normal. Feels like the DSG clutch is working hard when it isnt. Pretty sure it's a belt system as no cold air with engine off.

[@BillyNoMates1974]

all dacia aircons sound the same. had that clonking sound on the 2x Dusters and 2x Stepways I have owned. its a nothing burger. it works lol

[@edgarbeat2851]

I accidentally put the brake adjusters on a berlingo back to front and it was scary. The brakes unwind and you loose hand brake and overall stopping power. Never thought about a E brake emergency situation.

[@jfv65]

i can confirm that my lexus hybrid indeed turns on and off when i leave the radio + AC on. It's quite easy to explain: it only has a 20Ah 12v battery! If that 20Ah battery would get drained you wouldn't be able to start the carm NOT EVEN when the traction battery if fully carged...! Reason: the 12V battery runs the onboard computer and control modules and network. ( i once jumpstarted my Auris hybrid using my motorcycle 12V battary! ;-) true story!) A diesel car often has a 120Ah or even 150Ah battery. And a conventional ICE car typically a 50Ah or 65Ah.

[@eddiejones.redvees]

My x vw 1.4 3 cylinder diesel pole was a bit lumpy on tick over but after 1.500 went very smooth it had lots of engine torque it could pull along in fifth gear, a 30 mile an hour on tick over on the flat if you came to an incline,you would after go it to fourth gear but the smoothies 3 cylinder car was my dads old two stroke Wartburg it run like a turbine but definitely not has economy has the pole but my current diesel 1.6 diesel Astra is very smooth and quieter then my wife’s 2003 1.6 petrol focus

[@christopherbaglin4314]

I do like this car- not particularly attractive, but pretty much as practical as a current day car can get.

[@MrJonah30]

You get them in diesel in Ireland as well

[@MrTomwinter]

The 2024 jogger and Dacia and Renault have one of the easiest ways to turn off all the systems that you don't want. 1 button pressed twice. It will come back on each time you turn off the car that is the law but it is really easy to turn off.

[@jjones5083]

If you pull on the electric parking brake when moving, on some cars, the software firstly applies the hydraulic brakes and then the parking brake. I think there's a very good chance Dacia do this. So it shouldn't just lock the rear wheels. Also, this means the test isn't necessarily representative of a hydraulic brake failure.

[@HubNut]

Yes, I believe it does do this in hindsight, hence feeling so controlled.

[@HistoryNeedsYou]

A pox ‘pon electronic handbrakes. Long live levers with buttons!

[@michaelcoffey7362]

Nice 😊

[@revolution1one]

My concern with that electronic hand brake, when applying it on the move at motorway speeds, whether on purpose or accident, can it be disengaged to resume speed / prevent slip on wet pavement. I noticed the side exit exhaust during your test video, there were some leaves moving before take off at 7:33. And that came from the passenger side... My Volvo 240 estate has the slightly annoying issue with the rear belts getting caught in the rear folding seat. There's no fix, just slowly move it back up whilst lifting the belt.

[@siraff4461]

The boot size is a genuine concern because if you need to use the car as a three row regularly and the boot is tiny its fairly useless. The problem is most people carriers (like this) are just stretched estate cars with a couple of seats in the boot. You could add a foot to the back and gain a lot more space but because the platform they are based on can't deal with that properly - or would require some actual engineering to do so - they leave it as is. You compare it with the Galaxy but the Galaxy has seven adult sized seats and half the boot space again after that. Its simply better packaged because its a ground up MPV. This is also why people kept going for the big suv's - 300ish litres behind the back seats and most of them have actual adult space too. Not all obviously but there is quite a difference between one of these and an XC90 - not so different between an XC90 and a Galaxy though. Oh and that roofbox - wave goodbye to your mpg at speed if you do. Speaking of which not offering the diesel is daft too. When I tried one of these as a hire car it was doing late 30's mpg on a motorway run and needed 5th gear for quite a few small inclines. Yes there were five of us plus luggage in it but isn't that the point? The last time I drove the Renault 1.5dci was in a Megane estate which averaged just under 65mpg on the same run with a similar load. Thats quite the difference and the dci only needed 5th once - near Bristol on the M5. You may get decent mpg in the tce if you're very light on the throttle but ask it to do any work and watch the gauge drop.