HUGE HINT About ACC Future? | FSU Leaving ACC SOON?

In this college football video about conference realignment, Couz will talk about recent comments by Josh Pate from ‪@JoshPateCFB‬ about the ACC potentially losing teams and needing to rebuild. Couz will give his opinion on various scenarios that Josh could have been referring to.
With both the Florida State Seminoles and Clemson Tigers suing to try and get out of the Atlantic Coast Conference, rumors have swirled for months about the future of the league. Now, Josh Pate has added fuel to the fire with a cryptic tweet and follow up comments about the ACC that lead many to believe teams could announce they are leaving the conference within the coming weeks. Did Josh's comments mean North Carolina will also file a lawsuit against the ACC? Could it be Miami? Could it simply be a settlement with the league and FSU and/or Clemson? Or, is it something much bigger that will require a rebuilt league that will look much different in the future? Couz gives his take in the episode. #collegefootball #accfootball #floridastatefootball #clemsonfootball
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[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

Here’s my guess since is all we can do at this time. IMO all this is happening because ESPN will not renew the ACC media deal, they don’t want to risk their contract with the ACC be exposed to the public by the FL. AG. ESPN will work with the ACC to settle with FSU/ Clemson and work out a deal with the SEC to take FSU/Clemson at full shares and ESPN will pay the SEC more for 9th conference games. SEC will demand that UNC & UVA be part of the deal. B1G/Fox will try to get UNC to go to B1G by offering UNC to bring Duke. UNC will end up going to the SEC. Rest of ACC will scramble for landing spots. 4 ACC schools will leave for the B12. B1G will tell ND, it’s now or never. If you don’t join us now we will not schedule you including USC. B1G will offer ND, pick the schools. ND will say Miami, GT, Duke & Stanford. ND at full share and the rest at half shares. SEC & ESPN are happy as are B1G & Fox. ESPN will partner with TNT to combine the best of the remaining ACC, best of AAC & MWC to make a best G5 conference with a per school media deal of $15-$20 M per school.

[@tarheel7406]

Very unlikely that the ACC added CAL+2 without ESPN approval and assurances. ESPN is unlikely to force the SEC to make an unwanted forever decision.

[@daviddejesus5376]

Sounds plausible. Like you, I think ESPN will offer FSU and Clemson a full share immediately upon joining and taking UNC and UVA. If the ACC goes along with this they will want it as far in the future as possible. I'm not sure if the B1G can strong arm ND to joining. Though I'm sure they will sweeten a deal. Some important dates coming up in the next few weeks.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

You have to have NO CLUE what is going on with ESPN and the ACC to BELIEVE for a second that ESPN would WALK AWAY from the INSANE PROFITS it is making from the ACC in the next 12 years. CLUELESS to the point of INSANE.

[@KevinSuggs-cy8xe]

I think you are spot on!

[@hillbillysceptic1982]

If I was Greg sankey, I would tell any team from Florida that joins any conference other than the SEC, they will not be playing any in state rivals from the SEC. If you let the B1G in to Florida, the biggest instate game you’ll get is FAU. Keep southern football in the south.

[@Shane46587]

All options are on the table.

[@gregorykrug8034]

Every time I hear rumors of the demise of the ACC, I immediately think about Gold and Blue Dude (RIP). I wish he was around to see what is (potentially) happening to the ACC.

[@garystewart-is6iz]

Chris would of had every senecio that was possible

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Me too.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

His channel would be at 20k by now probably.

[@brandonreese1434]

I wouldn't be surprised if Clemson and Fsu end up joining the SEC by next summer. I think the Big Ten would be interested in adding Miami and Notre Dame. Great video man keep it up.

[@ScottyDuke-kc7uc]

Fsu will be in the sec or big 10! Big 10 has already said FSU is there #1 choice

[@woodybortner5583]

I think fsu and Miami go big , have a feeling ND will be waiting another couple years before commiting to a conference. Miami I think will be their tag along

[@brandonreese1434]

@ScottyDuke-kc7uc I just have a hard time seeing ESPN letting games like Clemson vs. Bama, FSU vs. Georgia, Clemson vs. Texas, FSU vs. Oklahoma slip away.

[@brandonreese1434]

@woodybortner5583 Yeah, it's possible, but I just have a hard time seeing ESPN letting games like Clemson vs. Bama, FSU vs. Tennessee, Clemson vs. Texas, FSU vs. Oklahoma slip away.

[@tarheel7406]

Curious... For how log and by how many professional reporters must it be reported that the SEC has little to no interest in CLEMSON & FSU?

[@shanev6500]

The Big Ten (B1G) has a requirement mandating each University member has to be an Association of American University's (AAU) member. As of June 28th, 2024, per the AAU website, only 7 Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) members, or soon to be members, have this affiliation. Florida State University and Clemson University ARE NOT members of the AAU. The Southeastern Conference (SEC) started this round of realignment with the acquisition of The University of Texas at Austin and The University of Oklahoma. The B1G responded by adding University of Oregon, University of California, Los Angeles, University of Southern California, University of Washington. University of Arizona, Arizona State University, University of Colorado Boulder, University of Utah left the failing Pacific Athletics Conference 12 (PAC12). The ACC, feeling pressured by internal turmoil, media outlets, and fans accepted University of California, Berkeley, Stanford University, and Southern Methodist University. The B1G wants to come out ahead and unscathed. Thus far, it has worked with the demise of the PAC 12 being blamed on the BIG 12. Having knowledge of malcontent and impending dissolution of the ACC, they can be the savior by taking the former PAC 12 schools they wanted, Stanford and Cal, and add University of Miami, Duke University, University of Virginia, University of Pittsburgh (EAT SHIT PITT), The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and Georgia Institute of Technology. Greg Sankey, SEC Commissioner, has previously expressed his elation of bringing major in-state schools together in the same conference. One could surmise FSU, Clemson, University of Louisville, North Carolina State, and Wake Forest support t that philosophy. The Big 12 could then scoop up Boston College, Virginia Tech, and Syracuse University. Who cares about the other school left, they can go back to being fulling independent for all I care, they could join the B1G if they desired, they have AAU accreditation. That is just my opinion based on the circumstances of "What if...."

[@garyscott4847]

I suspect ESPN will announce they are not renewing the ACC contract beyond 2027. This will force ACC to settle for a greatly reduced exit fee since the GOR becomes worthless beyond 2027 and teams could leav

[@tarheel7406]

Why would ESPN not renew?

[@garyscott4847]

@tarheel7406 because of reduced revenue from cable cutters. Cheaper to let ACC collapse and high revenue schools (FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, etc) go to the SEC. The money they save from paying the ACC could be used to up the per team payout to the SEC to accept the new member schools.

[@tarheel7406]

@@garyscott4847 Then why did ESPN sign with the already fully depleted and diluted BIG12?

[@garyscott4847]

@tarheel7406 I suspect they figure some of the ACC schools not pucked up by the SEC or Big 10 will go to the big 12. Teams like Louisville, Virginia Tech, Miami, NC State, etc. That will increase value of that contract. Key is they only have to support two conferences instead of three which saves money in the long term. ACC may continue beyond 2027 as a demisished non-power 5 by adding members but their TV contract won't be with ESPN and it will be significantly reduced.

[@Rodkicks88]

@@garyscott4847yes. your perspective is shared with the majority of unbiased (non ACC) fans who can see that the big12 is a valuable option if they don’t get into the P2, but would like to remain relevant once the ACC severely dilutes.

[@garystewart-is6iz]

I love to see a new league form and WVU going to it, but I really don't think that will happen. i see it exploding over the next 2 years, would love to see B 12 get Louisville, Miami, VTech and Virginia

[@tarheel7406]

Why would the Tier 2 BIG12 want to get even larger and wider? Why would Tier 1 and 2 ACC flight risks move to the BIG12?

[@aisaxonawiat6484]

​@@tarheel7406.... the B12 is going to get a huge influx of money so there will be no more advantages to the other two conferences.

[@tarheel7406]

@@aisaxonawiat6484 Why? If anything, the next BIG12 deal will be less (accounting for inflation) and require more streaming. The BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4 in athletics, academics, value and prestige. There is no feasible path to close the gap.

[@edwardhughes9024]

Even if FSU and Clemson leave the ACC will not implode. There are too many teams left that have no landing spot for that to happen. It gives them the foundation to rebuild. And I would bet those remaining teams would just as soon stay in the ACC if possible.

[@tomdemay6147]

there are ALOT more landing spots than you think. Big 10 will take at least 4 before its all done. SEC will take at least 2 if not 4. Big 12 will take 2-4.

[@tarheel7406]

@@tomdemay6147 The BIG12 isn't a landing spot in this context.

[@scottmorrison147]

​@@tarheel7406 ACC > big12

[@tomdemay6147]

@@tarheel7406 It definitely is. Once FSU and Clemson leave the Big 12 is a better option.

[@tarheel7406]

@@tomdemay6147 Just no self-awareness in the BIG12. Tier 2 football will be fungible and the BIG12 is already the worst (by far) in athletics, academics, value and prestige.

[@aarontracy5160]

Former Pac12 alumn. My sympathies for the other fans watching another conference getting dragged thru the mud. ESPN wants to reduce their payouts. ESPN will kill teams and conferences to do it.

[@tarheel7406]

The PAC was repeatedly offered a Tier 2 deal after the USC/UCLA notice, but it rejected all of them. The PAC could have accepted reality, poached ~4 from the BIG12, and survived as a relevant conference for at least some years. ESPN didn't kill the PAC, the PAC committed suicide.

[@jtm7336]

The ACC raided the Big East so I will be very excited to watch this. F the ACC!!!!!

[@tarheel7406]

Curious... Who has clean hands on that factor? The BIG8 killed the SWC, and the BIG12 (it's successor) played a role in killing the PAC.

[@mikestanshillporter4425]

Put a fork in the ACC.

[@purpleivory2]

Would Louisville and Pittsburgh add any value to the Big 12 or would it just add more shares to the pie? I could understand NC State and the Hokies but the other 2 don't seem to move the needle.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

Well Louisville is the 3rd Most Viewed Program in the ACC by MILES in every year they have been in the ACC except for last year when they were 2nd ABOVE Clemson. So... they have VALUE. What VALUE does the Big 12 OFFER ACC schools? Other than forcing those ACC schools into paying a LARGE BUYOUT to join the Big 12 AND a $20 Million PAYCUT is there ANY REASON to join the Big 12? With what $$$ will the Big 12 PAY these ACC teams? Will it come out of the shares of the current Big 12 teams?

[@artpowers812]

@@MercerKnowsBall There was a study on attendance which is not exactly the same as "most viewed" but in that study, even with the coaching change and worst couple of seasons in a long while, VT was still 25th and Louisville was 39th, 6th in the ACC. Louisville has value but don't take a couple of years when you were pretty good and think it is your baseline.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@artpowers812 Louisville was "pretty good" under Satterfield? LMAO. Still 3rd most VIEWERS because Louisville unlike VPI - Louisville is a NATIONAL BRANDS. Not as big Nationally as SOME National Brands but Louisville has been BIG since the 70's Dawg. It was BUILT around Basketball... but it was STILL NATIONAL and Football has come along. You do know that ONLY LOUISVILLE BASKETBALL makes more money than MOST of the FOOTBALL programs in the Power Confer nice, RIGHT? VPI may sell more SEATS... but I've been to Blacksburg - there is NOTHING ELSE TO DO THERE and you are a short drive for almost ALL of your ACC Opponents to help your numbers. As for our BASELINE... We will EXPAND our Stadium AGAIN before this ACC Contract Expires... and we are going to be GOOD as long as BROHM wants to STAY HOME. We just hired our Frank Beamer, weird Neck Burns and all - Except he is BETTER.

[@RockyStatue]

I think the fact that he even gave the possibility of “rebuild” means that it’s only a couple teams leaving. If there were several teams leaving ACC then I don’t think rebuilding is even possible. Same way the PAC folded

[@tomdemay6147]

that is the end regardless. No different than USC and UCLA leaving the PAC 12 before the rest bolted. Once Clemson and FSU are gone the football revenue is gone and anyone who can get out will.

[@tarheel7406]

@@tomdemay6147 The BIG12 had lost its top ~6 and was ~50% G5 when it signed its new media deal.

[@tomdemay6147]

@@tarheel7406 it's new media deal is still way behind the P2. Why would UNC or Miami take a paycut to sign a new deal when they could go to the P2. Once they are gone why would NC State or Louisville stay even if they had to go to the Big 12 it would be an upgrade over an ACC without FSU Clemson UNC and Miami. This will play out very similar to how the PAC 12 imploded. USC + UCLA = FSU + Clemson. Miami + UNC = Oregon + Washington.

[@tarheel7406]

@@tomdemay6147 a) UNC will leave when both willing and able. b) MIAMI appears to be tied with ND, so neither will leave for the B1G until willing and able. c) The BIG12 is unlikely to pay more (much less materially different) than a future ACC. d) The BIG12 would be a downgrade across the board. e) The PAC was delusional and rejected Tier 2 offers. The ACC is different. You will have to do better.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

@@tomdemay6147 The only PAYCUT scenario for ACC teams would be to LEAVE the much more profitable ACC to join the Big12 WHICH will EARN 2/3 the $$ that the ACC will EARN next year and every year going forward. Nothing you BELIEVE about Big 12 and ACC Financial Data is TRUE.

[@abourneidentity4208]

Awesome video Couz, cooler heads should prevail with FSU CLEMSON ESPN SEC…. If SEC/ESPN could lure Tobacco Road too…. Wow

[@artpowers812]

ESPN is THE one who can create a settlement right now. To do so ESPN will not want to lose FSU and Clemson to the Big. That is point one. Point 2 is that everybody else in the league has to be compensated in some form. Probably not be made whole but compensated for a stable conference along the line of a total media deal/ACCN return equaling the B12 contract. The question is what ESPN offers UNC, UVA, NCSU, VT, Pitt, Lville , Miami and GT.

[@tarheel7406]

a) The SEC's top targets are UNC and UVA. It may accept CLEMSON and FSU to secure UNC and even more likely +UVA. Without that, the SEC is not going to make a forever expansion decision just to sate ESPN. b) The ACC's media deal is already way below market value and discounted down to the BIG12's Tier 2 level. Expected ACC depletion would just make a great deal not as great. c) A very feasible settlement would be UNC/CLEMSON to the SEC and a release of FSU to go wherever.

[@terryrich4889]

Tar heel my good friend, just think, if you buy a car , as is or 30 warranty and try to sue you will loose in court. Contracts normally specify thier grounds, same for the GOR's. Florida, south Carolina and NC are 3 different jurisdictions. Remember the ACC is located in NC. The states of Florida and south Carolina ag would need to sue the acc in north Carolina. There is no ground for either to sue. Pay the $ and go is the only way.

[@tarheel7406]

Amazing how people get obsessed with my comments but can't seem to get my positions correct. I've stated for over 2 years now that the best legal attack on the GOR is based on public policy grounds of excessive restraints on trade, forced association, and substantial threat to a charitable purpose. Courts don't like these or economic waste.

[@terryrich4889]

​@@tarheel7406I can tell most of these people are young. Their mind trend to what they want and not the truth. Keep on keeping on.

[@tarheel7406]

@@terryrich4889 I'm not young and have (let's say) some applicable expertise. Since this vid dropped, the McMurphy article was published, which confirmed much of what I have been saying.

[@michaelcsonka2675]

The timing of the post and the Date July 1, 2024 are telling. That where a big move could be made. Cal, Stanford and SMU don't join until that date which means they're not voting members. This leaves two scenarios or a combination of the two. First if Florida State and or Clemson are confident enough they can win in court then they could choose to leave this week which would in theory trigger the composition clause essentially allowing ESPN to end its contact. Possibility number 2 is that in current form depending on the source if 6 to 8 teams vote to dissolve the congregation and/ or GOR. A minimum of 4 teams have a likely landing spot on the big 10/SEC. It's is almost certain that between the Big 12, Big, 10 and SEC at least 8 teams have landing spots where they would make more and have the potential to make a lot more in the Big 12 after 2031. Guaranteed exit without a buy-out if eight teams see leaving as inevitable. After July 1 Cal, Sanford, and SMU get a vote and the potentially homeless members outnumber the ones with a landing spot and it's likely anyone leaving has to pay or fight the ACC in court. ESPN would love this because it allows them to cut the dead weight their paying in the ACC and will have to pay with the new schools and consolidate schools of equivalent value in the remaining three conferences. The ACC reforms as the next tier down with schools like Boston college, Wake Forest ect being paid less according to they're actual value. The only firm cause for an immanent reformation of the ACC is July 1 and theses scenarios.

[@tarheel7406]

Lots of nonsense. For starters.... a) Per FSU, ESPN has a unilateral renewal option which makes the composition clause irrelevant. b) If there was close to enough votes to dissolve, CAL+2 wouldn't have been invited.

[@alfordtl1]

It doesn't sound good for the ACC. I'm curious how it will all work out, and I look for The Mountaineers to stay where they are.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Yes sir!

[@tarheel7406]

Interest from either side isn't likely.

[@CatsClaw44]

​@@tarheel7406You mean zero interest from West Virginia, nor anyone else in the Big 12, towards the ACC.

[@tarheel7406]

@@CatsClaw44 Okey, likely zero intertest relative to WVU and the ACC. WVU doesn't fit the ACC brand and is relatively low value for a P5/P4, so if it has no interest in the regional ACC opponents, why would there be interest on either side. As for other new BIG12 schools (e.g. the 4Cs), that's a more open question. They are used to an academic and overall sports brand.

[@tarheel7406]

@@CatsClaw44 BTW... Your position really proves that the ACC made the correct decision in repeatedly rejecting WVU. It has no blue or lite blue revenue sport; it has no notable overall athletics; it's among the worst academically (largely due to its mission) in the P5/P4; and it has relatively low value. The ACC has made academic/brand exceptions for a compelling reason, so the only reason to have done so for WVU would have been extremely high synergies with the former BIGEAST schools. If WVU doesn't even see high synergies, why would the ACC, current or future?

[@donjohnson6186]

I dont think anybody knows for sure but it doesnt look good for the ACC and in time any conference could face the same problems the ACC is facing. No love lost here!

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Well said Don.

[@tarheel7406]

Strange comment.... The BIG12 faced this situation for over a decade, ultimately losing 6 (net) from the top. It survived as a Tier 2 due to how poorly the PAC faced the situation. In contrast, the ACC learned from the mistakes the BIG12 and PAC made, so it should survive as a Tier 2 by design rather than by chance.

[@mr.imsoflorida9022]

Honestly I think he say reconfigure because FSU and Clemson make up 36 percent of the ACC revenue with just them 2 schools. If would definitely have to add more 2 teams Stanford And California are basically academic and research schools. SMU small ass hell, I live in Dallas and they definitely don't bring no big crowds. The Revenue from the ACC would take a significant hit and they know it. Thats why they fighting so hard to keep them...

[@tarheel7406]

TX/OK accounted for ~50% for the BIG12's value when they left.

[@jim1968]

I love anonymous sources ... lol. Change is inevitable but it isn't happening because Josh Pate says so or his anonymous contacts say so. It is now in the courts. Decisions and appeals unless a settlement occurs.

[@elicabelly2119]

ESPN wants FSU and Clemson. It's cheaper for ESPN to have FSU and Clemson in the SEC since then they don't have to pay the rest of the ACC. Once that happens, UNC and Miami will want out. Big Ten wants those markets. SEC wants UNC and Virginia. UNC has a lot more sports than SEC offers and Big Ten has better academics, so they probably both go to Big Ten. Then Big Ten also wants Virginia and something in Texas. They can add Virginia and figure something out with TAMU or TCU over the next year. If it's TAMU then SEC reloads with Kansas. Either way Big 12 loses another team. Then Big 12 wants to add. We've heard about Pitt, VTech, NCState, and Louisville. After losing a team in the middle they could easily add SDSU or Duke or GTech. I'm guessing Duke. It might be GTech though, really not sure. That leaves not much left in the ACC. They'll have BC, Syr, Wake, SMU, Cal, Stanford, and either Duke or GTech, with ND hanging on. Those remnants don't excite anyone, and aren't worth ND staying on for everything other than football. Then they could add OSU and Wazzu, UConn, Memphis, and Tulane to get to 12. Still not exciting or worth much money. That, along with other changes, probably lead to ND leaving. I don't see Big 12, Big Ten, or SEC taking ND on for everything other than football. ND would be force to choose a conference. Rivalries and money would dictate that they go to the Big Ten. They'll still get to set their terms, and I believe one of those terms will be to bring Stanford into the Big Ten, and allow ND to set Stanford and USC as their yearly rivals so they can play in southern California in both of those home and homes. They also keep Navy as a yearly rival, and they get to rotate between a lot of other rivals like Mich, Mich State, Penn State, Miami, Purdue, Nebraska, and have their final 2 out of conference games rotate between other rivals like Army, GTech, BC, etc. That would leave the ACC with BC, Syr, Wake, SMU, Cal, GTech, OSU, Wazzu, UConn, Memphis, and Tulane. Time to add one more. I'm guess USF. Only 4 left from the ACC of this year, and only 2 left from the ACC from before they plundered Big East. That would be a monumental change.

[@MercerKnowsBall]

Everything you said is based on NOTHING TRUE. It reads like a CHILD'S FANTASY. Where does the Big 12 get the MONEY to pay for a SINGLE ACC school to join it?

[@thywillbedone1965]

@@MercerKnowsBall We were hearing similar comments this time last year when the rumors started about the PAC schools. Never say never. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if we could get SFla into the B12 along with 6ish of the ACC schools. They were competitive in the Big East and I believe it’s a brand that could elevate itself in the B12 or ACC.

[@tarheel7406]

@@thywillbedone1965 a) The PAC leadership was delusional and in denial. The ACC isn't. b) We also heard all about to which other then P5 or G5 the 8 BIG212 remainders would go. There were no invites. None moved. Even though the BIG12 survived as a Tier 2 largely due to PAC incompetence, the B12 remains the benchmark for a former P5 that depleted down to the new Tier 2 level. That should be the assumption for the ACC as it depletes out.

[@thywillbedone1965]

@@tarheel7406 time will tell. Tick tick tick tick

[@tarheel7406]

@@thywillbedone1965 Time always tells until the heat death of the universe. It will also tell if the new BIG12 splinters from already being too large and wide.

[@edwardhughes9024]

Please note that Pate didn't say the ACC was going to completely implode. He used the words reconstruction and reconfiguration.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

I tried to use the same words.

[@blakenagy8399]

Espn and Fox bargaining behind closed doors on who gets what teams where, and if the acc survives as a weaker conference.

[@indigdoc]

Let's just say that 4-6 teams leave (FSU CLEM UNC UVA Miami NCST), That landslide triggers ND (ftbl stays indy), Duke, and Syracuse to the Big East! A reconfigured (downsized) ACC w lesser teams gets CUSA / AAC Media Rights money. Going to the Big East makes sense for these 3.

[@tarheel7406]

The then P2 separate from the rest for a separate playoff. The then BIG12 gets G5 money.

[@tomdean9381]

"Reconstructed" to me sounds like "fix up" ... in other words, drop those who are taking more than the being in, thus raising the per school average. But would that be enough to keep FSU and Clemson home???

[@CouzsCornerSports]

I didn’t even consider that possibility to be honest. Great take.

[@terryrich4889]

Couz one man's opinion is not a fact. Big 12 is a group 5 conference. With the money the ACC making of fs and Clemson, that will up the Annie for ACC school. Do you really think the ACC will rather broadcast D1 or group 5. It will be in ESPN's best interest to keep the ACC intact. Let's wait and see.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

What do you mean up the Annie? The Annie is maxed out already? ESPN isn’t giving the ACC more money.

[@tarheel7406]

@@CouzsCornerSports If there's a "look in", that suggests a good faith renegotiation based on current market conditions. All evidence indicates that the ACC's current deal is far below market.

[@famous9681]

Why all the powerhouse schools want to be in the BIG 10 and SEC???? That’s too many sharks in one tank, eventually some programs going to turn into school fish.

[@RayPetty-ho9wi]

Cause you make way more money. That money is needed to compete at the highest level especially with NIL.

[@famous9681]

@@RayPetty-ho9wi I got you I’m just like man CFB is turning into the pros.

[@NOLES-wm3ly]

FSU & Clemson to B1G, UNC & UVA to SEC with a maybe for NC State & VTech to even things out at 20 each.😊

[@tarheel7406]

Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?

[@garlandalmarode6396]

The Acc has 6 preseason top 25 teams in some polls.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Agreed, but their league isn’t stable at the moment.

[@jonboxleitner7354]

Relegation and promotion would solve everything.

[@COOGlife]

West Virginia dodged a bullet.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

It looks like it now.

[@COOGlife]

@@CouzsCornerSports there was never a question to leave Texas football out of it. We worship football in Texas. Hell would've come for everyone.

[@tarheel7406]

I enjoy playing alternate history. If the ACC had added WVU earlier,,,, a) WVU perhaps wouldn't have waned athletically playing a lot more former BIGEAST; however, the addition over objections before an ACC GOR existed would have triggered the departures of UVA, UNC & perhaps DUKE to the B1G. That could have triggered some additional departures. b) An ACC depletion down to a new Tier 2 would have just happened earlier, and WVU would still be in a Tier 2 like in the actual timeline; however, WVU would be located closer to the center of gravity in that ACC rather than in the current BIG12. c) From my perspective, UNC would have ended up worse off than otherwise because the delay allowed for circumstances to change enough for UNC to switch to favoring the SEC under the actual timeline. In short, in the alternate history, the ACC would have likely ended up as a de facto new BIGEAST with some ACC additions that would likely work as a strong Tier 2.

[@jdabomb8064]

They may grab the real mountaineers of app state

[@gregoryjones9691]

After Conference Realignment the ACC will surely survive, but will have to settle on being a (G5) Group of Five 🏈 Conference like the Big12. Nobody wants Duke, WFU, Syracuse, UVa, BC or Pitt in a competitive major football conference. Ga. Tech, Louisville and VT are bubble teams in their current state that only the Big12 would consider. But the Big12 is already bloated with rejected bubble teams and Pac12 refugees to add more teams. Therefore the Big needs to release UCF, Cincinnati, & WVa to the new ACC. Then the B12 adds SMU & Tulane. I am making Conference Realignment geographically & economically MAKE SENSE because money mad college presidents & money hungry conference commissioners are not smart enough to do anything in Athletics that makes any sense Thank you.

[@tarheel7406]

a) UVA a top expansion priority of both the SEC and B1G. b) DUKE has a decent chance of being coattailed by UNC. I've been suggesting an amicable Tier 2 realignment after the dust settles, but best into three 8-12 member regional Tier 2s. Brand and culture would also be considered.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Yeah, common sense went out the window years ago.

[@tutnod2449]

More runors and speculation.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Yes. I’ve never indicated otherwise.

[@mikeking8699]

Whatever happened to Mountaineer Paul

[@CouzsCornerSports]

He still has his shows as well.

[@terryrich4889]

That your opinion the gor's state the requirements and no judge can rule against a legal binding contract. If they could they would have already. 500 million.

[@tarheel7406]

A court would have to find either a) a breach or b) the contract is void as against public policy.

[@Michael-y2m9s]

The SEC is in position right now to take over college football. UNC, FSU and Clemson’s first choice would be the SEC, and they would probably take all 3. If that happens, people need to keep an eye on Notre Dame. If the SEC takes the top 3 brands in the ACC, their revenue projections would almost assuredly overtake the B1G’s by a decent margin, especially if they go to 9 conferences games, which they would do with 19-20 teams. The SEC might be enough of a draw at that point to lure Notre Dame, and then it’s only a matter of time until they start taking the top brands from the B1G. Either that, or the top programs in the country break away and form a new conference. The end game has always been 1 super conference, the “P2” won’t last long.

[@troywest7045]

ESPN just balked at paying up for a 9th SEC conference game. Why do people think they would be thrilled about paying full shares for new schools to join the SEC and on top of that pay extra for a 9th conference game? It's not like the past few years have been good for either ESPN or Disney. Maybe ESPN sees this as an opportunity to get a sweet deal, kinda like how the B1G got a sweet deal with Wa/Or at half price for the current media deal.

[@romanmoronie]

Oh good grief, ND isn't joining the SEC under any circumstances. ND fans may be insufferable (I live near SB, I know) but they're smart enough to know that there are some things that transcend football, unlike many of you. And they don't need the money that bad. Get a flippin grip.

[@maxheidlage8040]

Here’s three reasons why Notre Dame would never join the SEC. One they would be the northernmost team to join the conference so they’d have to travel far distances. 2 Why would they want to continuously play tougher teams like Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, Texas, and Oklahoma. 3 The majority of Notre Dame‘s rivals are in the Big Ten, maybe as a stipulation to joining the Big Ten. They would say they would have to accept Stanford also.

[@tarheel7406]

The SEC is very unlikely to erode its geo-centric brand for ND.

[@tarheel7406]

@@troywest7045 a) I suggest that ESPN doesn't need a 9th SEC conference game. It also has BIG12 and ACC games from which to feature. b) The common claim is that the SEC has a pro rata clause but restricted to staggered +2 waves. c) Offering a partial share to schools of high interest to both the SEC and B1G is a dangerous tactic.

[@gregoryjones9691]

The ACC is NOT going to die like the PAC12, because there are too many mediocre teams in the ACC nobody wants, who don't have anywhere else to go after FSU, Clemson, UNC and Miami. An ACC reconfiguration is the SAME as a ACC rebuild my friend. The ACC needs to dump Cal, Stanford and SMU, then work with the Big 12 to juggle teams. Then add Memphis, USF, UCF, ECU, West Virginia, UConn, and Cincinnati to remain an Atlantic Coast centric conference. SMU and Tulane go to the Big 12. Cal/Stanford beg the Big 10 for low revenue membership.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

I like it.

[@RaymondPexton]

Florida state and Clemson, and maybe north caralina and virginia tech to SEC

[@tarheel7406]

Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?

[@hbarfarkle]

The future of the ACC sounds fairly bleak.

[@JohnDry]

Ive been saying the ACC will die every since the Magnificent 7 had thier meeting! Go big 12!

[@tarheel7406]

In context, the BIG12 is already dead. All of the MAG7 except UNC, CLEMSON & FSU voted for CAL+2.

[@terryrich4889]

They can leave after 500 million, that's 1 billion together. Make the rest of the happy. There is no other way out.

[@BarryStem-yc3pj]

That will never happen, settle for 150 or less.

[@richardoneal1055]

Pate is an SEC Homer and he's full of schett half the time.

[@JosephDarkese]

As it looks, FSU and Clemson will announce by the fall that they are leaving the ACC. At that point you will see the dominos begin to fall

[@tarheel7406]

To go where?

[@tarheel7406]

This didn't age well.

[@terryrich4889]

The 1 billion fs and Clemson must pay to leave. Remaining ACC schools will split the billion and be happy. No judge has been able to rule against the gor's.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

That very well could happen.

[@curtisd316]

If FSU and Clemson get out, multiple teams will leave, and the ACC will no longer be the same

[@505premoto]

Actually the only program leaving the ACC that would cripple the conference is UNC. They are the biggest brand and most valuable. If that were to happen, ESPN might cancel their contract early because people would stop watching the ACC games.

[@tarheel7406]

@@505premoto I assume your comment was intended to be sarcastic; however, even UNC leaving would not cripple the ACC. It's brand and culture would change; the center of gravity would move north.

[@artpowers812]

@@505premoto Really? Have you ever watched UNC games especially the less promoted ones? Lots of "aluminum" to go with the baby blue. IMHO the only way UNC become #1 in football, attendance, viewership, and wins is to be the only one in P2 competing against everybody else in P5. I don't think UNC can gain a majority of the NC football consumers on any type of level playing field, Too many NCSU, Duke and ECU/ASU fans who hate UNC.

[@505premoto]

@@artpowers812 You don’t have to have any actual success in CFB when you’re the most admired and envied brand in college athletics. Both P2 conferences are going to compete for their attention and promise them tens of millions of dollars a year over their contribution. You have no idea of how much it would enhance the prestige of a P2 conference to be able to say that UNC is a member.

[@adrianflemming1898]

Everyone always got some sources

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Not me. Well, not usually anyway. 😂 Sometimes I get lucky.

[@knumbskullnews3460]

Between 4 and 8 schools go big 12. 6 is my chalk.

[@tarheel7406]

Delusional....

[@tarheel7406]

BTW... One is supposed to write with chalk rather than eat it. Glue isn't for sniffing either.

[@knumbskullnews3460]

@@tarheel7406 Who rights with chalk anymore? The term is “huffing” glue not sniffing.

[@tarheel7406]

@@knumbskullnews3460 a) You referenced "chalk". b) I'll defer to you on the glue. Why you want the BIG12 to effectively become even less relevant remains a mystery to me. An ACC depletion only widens the revenue and exposure gaps.

[@DKOBSpeaks]

BTW... University of North Carolina was built with FORCED LABOR.

[@blakenagy8399]

The ACC will lose 2 teams to the sec, 2 teams to the Big10, and at least 4 to the Big12. The acc will reconfigure with teams like usf, memphis, uconn, etc.....

[@tarheel7406]

If "only" 4 are leaving for the SEC/B1G, why would ACC remainders go to the new BIG12?

[@blakenagy8399]

@@tarheel7406 what kind of media deal do you think the remaining schools will have once FSU, UNC, Miami, Clemson, are gone to the SEC and Big10? Are we supposed to be naive enough to believe that espn won't reconfigure their media deal with the ACC once the top brands are gone? Also, with UNC and NC ST tied to the hip by the powers that be, where will NC ST go to make better money than a diluted acc? Where will Virginia, VT, Louisville, all go? Do you expect they'll stay in the ACC for far less money than they're making now? The sad reality is, FOX and ESPN will get what teams they want where they want, and those teams who aren't the top 4 will want more money than will be awarded to the acc by espn after those 4 (fsu, clem, miami, unc) schools are gone. There's a possibility I'd suppose, that the ACC could remain as a conference with a reconfigured deal with espn on media rights, and the money from awarded settlements from schools leaving for the P2 conferences, but I'm not gonna be surprised if the ACC loses around 8 teams, and we see the ACC reconfigured with schools like Memphis, usf, Tulane, etc.

[@tarheel7406]

@@blakenagy8399 "what kind of media deal do you think the remaining schools will have once FSU, UNC, Miami, Clemson, are gone to the SEC and Big10?" At least the same as the new BIG12. That's what actual evidence indicates. Until you can figure this out, the rest is nonsense.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Doubt it. Big 12’s deal will likely go up drastically in 2031 now that they have added the four corners.

[@tarheel7406]

@@CouzsCornerSports Nope.... a) Even BY said he could not get the same amount today. The BIG12's deal is likely to stay flat or fall. b) The 4Cs didn't have the value to save the PAC. They are fungible Tier 2 schools as things stand.

[@scottyking7161]

It's been this way for 50 years. Yall remember revenge of the nerds!Alpha-Beta# USC and John Goodman never welcomed lambda Lambda Lambda😂

[@CouzsCornerSports]

😂😂

[@davidhenry1663]

What happens when ESPN renegotiate its contract w/ ACC, and they only give each remaining schools $8M per year because of the losses of 4, 6, or power teams?

[@woodybortner5583]

If they renegotiate the current deal all these Schools will be free to leave with just the exit fee as it would terminate the current gor and a new one would need signed

[@tarheel7406]

Remember that the following conference got ~$30M per: WVU (small state low prestige flag) CINCY (G5) UCF (G5) BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent) HOUSTON (G5) IOWAST (low population state #2) KSTATE (low population state #2) OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports) KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball) TCU (G5 equivalent) BAYLOR (G5 equivalent) TXTECH (G5 equivalent)

[@artpowers812]

What happens if the only "renegotiation" is about just the ACCN part? That has been thrown out as well. And after a slower and rougher start, the ACCN is making money now. What happens if ESPN holds as is and the ACCN creates a significantly higher $$$$ than the Big 12 is or can offer?

[@scottyking7161]

Call the G5 schools left after this earthquake happens the NIT Schools. "NOT IN TOURNAMENT " ENDGAME GO HOME AND DONT COME BACK. SLAM THE DOOR IN CINDERELLAS FACE. its been real. Take a hike. Huh??

[@CaydensDaddio]

I think the top 3 that the ACC can add are Navy, Army & Air Force

[@tarheel7406]

Why add more backfill and why are those the top 3?

[@CaydensDaddio]

@@tarheel7406 Military school, national audience, high academics

[@tarheel7406]

@@CaydensDaddio a) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled with CAL+2 b) Tier 2s need to be as regional as feasible c) The ARMY/NAVY game is already under separate contract

[@CaydensDaddio]

@@tarheel7406 do you think the ACC will only lose 3 to the B1G & SEC combined. Current contract, the ACC must have 15 members

[@tarheel7406]

@@CaydensDaddio a) I think we will eventually have a ~24 each Tier 1 P2, but that will come in waves. b) After an ~48 team total Tier 1, what the remainders do won't matter much. c) The ACC doesn't have to have 15 members. ESPN/FOX were happy with a 12-team Tier 2 new BIG12.

[@scottyking7161]

Ima get rich. Im about to run a clothing line of shirts that will read G5s MATTER.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

😂😂

[@scottyking7161]

@@CouzsCornerSports it's gonna be a fancy G5 jet on the back🤣

[@MistakezWeRMade_]

I just want Louisville to go to the SEC OR BIG

[@tarheel7406]

Since very unlikely, what is preferred Plan B?

[@MistakezWeRMade_]

@@tarheel7406 I’d say 150% unlikely lol. BIG12. I definitely don’t want to stay in the ACC m. If it stays afloat it’ll be nothing but a Conference USA with a diff name.

[@tarheel7406]

@@MistakezWeRMade_ After the P2 Tier 1 consolidation, Tier 2 football will be fungible; however, the rebuilt ACC would still be notably better than the BIG12 in academics, overall sports, and prestige. L'VILLE doesn't really fit ACC brand, so I've been saying for some time that the ACC may be inclined to release L'VILLE with an amicable settlement after the consolidation is done.

[@MistakezWeRMade_]

@@tarheel7406 yea I’ve heard about that and agree. On the flip side UofL brings good money in top 25 from the listings I’ve seen. There’s so much crap tho who’s to say what’s true. I really wish I had a diff fav team a lot of times lol

[@tarheel7406]

@@MistakezWeRMade_ I suspect that all Tier 2 football programs will evolve to fungible base value and parity. Additional revenue will come more from synergies, gate, parking, etc. The Tier 2s will differ more on non-football factors.

[@kevinturner1849]

This is the biggest crock of 💩 I’ve heard in a while 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Thanks.

[@toddwebb7521]

Well the academic conference thing almost happened back in the 60s when GA Tech and Tulane left the SEC over academics being a 2nd priority. The Magnolia league was the name of the almost conference there's a handful of sports what ifs on KZbin about it. Basically the reason it didn't happen is Vanderbilt didn't leave the SEC. Alabama was leading the faction to try and push the academic schools out if they was going to try and make a fight about it. Tennessee basically threatened to leave too if Vandy got pushed out of the SEC at which point Bear Bryant decided he'd rather not have one of his biggest rivals leave the conference.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Very interesting. Thanks for that information.

[@jdabomb8064]

Why don’t y’all big 12 homers stay in your own lane. There’s a reason WVU wasn’t allowed in

[@knumbskullnews3460]

Because we don’t have too. ACC always thought they were better than us. Not so much!

[@christophertaylor1575]

Is Virginia Tech going to need WVU to save them again? Got them into the Big East then they left for the ACC . Other than one year they have been in the lower half of ACC. So now they are looking at the Big 12.

[@tarheel7406]

@@knumbskullnews3460 The BIG12 is the worst (by far) P4 in athletics, academics, value and prestige.

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Well said

[@CouzsCornerSports]

Prestige, I don’t think so; not after FSU and CU leave.