HUGE NEWS

[@TallDood]

MOST MONEY BURNED IN E

[@beaupersoon5221]

MOST MONEY BURNED IN E

[@shearnos]

sports

[@williamdrens]

Me when I spend all my money on hrt

[@connormcgilvray2400]

I think that in order for Esports to be profitable you need permanent venues in cities across the world with loyal fans

[@MateusChristopher]

I'm so confused. Would people leave their house to watch people who are on their computers?

[@GamerJumJum]

I mean you could possibly navigate stream rights with things like netflix, it'll at least get noticed that way

[@gwethie]

City venues = Your streamer

[@DisastrousCake]

That would not work. It's been tried before.

[@SwearingWizard77]

BRO THE PLAT WINGS BROKE ME

[@FlyingFlows]

Holy fuck, the animation looks AMAZING

[@SmiteKhepri]

Wow this actually wasn't clickbait. That is huge news

[@pedrostormrage]

7:08 "The crown princes who like videogames" That was a bit disappointing to hear: like chat said, they don't "like" anything, that's a strategy called sportswashing. They're trying to divest attention from rampant human right abuses and their negative impact on the environment by hosting major sport events that attract positive media. Accepting that kinda money is, frankly, immoral (and that's not a word I use lightly), so it's a good thing you're not accepting that kinda sponsorship.

[@DisastrousCake]

Both are true. Some of them like video games AND see it as an excuse to distract people from scandals and political issues. To say they don't "like" anything is just wrong and kinda weird. They're still people. You may not think they're good people and there's an argument to that, but that doesn't mean they don't "like" anything. They're still human.

[@pedrostormrage]

@@DisastrousCake Well, deception doesn't rely just on lies, but on half-truths (and that is in fact the most insidious and effective way to do it, since what you don't know about isn't gonna raise any alarms). Not acknowledging the *main* reason for those investments is just contributing to the sportswashing (in the grand scheme of things, hobby preferences are just an inconsequential detail), and that's what my disappointment was. To be fair, though, I think Ludwig knows that (him saying "they don't need to do the SA events" - at 8:42 - subtly implies that's not something they should do unless they needed it), but I wish he was a bit more outspoken about it.

[@internetphilosopher9773]

YOU HAVE A STARCRAFT 2 TEAM LFG!!! Harstem is one of if not the biggest sc2 creators and is on Shopify Rebellion team.

[@HadusMC]

17:14 shopify lubrication, this should have been the one

[@Njago]

The Jersey price is a steal. Quality might not be the greatest but hey wont complain for that price. Havent followed Esports in a while but might try it with all the teams / "Rebels" you have.

[@emb3rzzz]

Heroic in cs2 made 10 mil profit this year by buying up and coming talent and then selling the team and doing it again

[@DisastrousCake]

Dota 2 streams would be so sick

[@primal9238]

I mean... it feels like all the money in eSports is dirty money besides people like Charlie/Ludwig who lucked into being super rich and invested. Maybe... we don't really need eSports as it currently is.

[@MateusChristopher]

Sounds like rather than relying on venues and the "sports" model it should somehow monetize an online distribution method

[@DisastrousCake]

That's just all sports.

[@jacobstoddart266]

Picked up one of the Jersey's new gym shirt.

[@pp-wt6ng]

WHO IS THE DOTA TEAM?

[@namonai]

Karmine corp is proffitable through merch

[@danteben]

Copped a jersey, let’s go Moist Mogul Rebellion!

[@drakorez]

You should do some content with Harstem on the SC2 team. He is super awesome!

[@NithinJune]

NO WAY LUDWIG SEIGE?????

[@zepthz]

Mogul Moves -> Moist Moguls -> Moist X Shopify -> Moist X Shopify X Shopify Rebellion

[@notanytimenow]

All about costs and revenue. Esports costs are moderate. Revenue is especially low when it comes to entertainment/events and I blame the lack of network/broadcaster buy in. Sports teams are able to exist because of networks paying to broadcast the events. Networks/services will not pay to broadcast something without an organized following. To get esports to where f1, ufc, or professional sports are, you either need what Netflix did for f1, or you need the equivalent of how espn started their own network channel as a startup. It needs an organized dependable schedule and probably a side narrative from analysts or from dramatized shows. Personally I think there are too many games, you’re spreading the audience too thin. If Netflix took one game under its wing for a show and the broadcasts were accessible and easy to watch, one game might take off with wide audience. Not all of them all at once.

[@Thebestdruid]

shoulda gone with Moist Legal Immigrants

[@SoyGoblin07]

4:29 zzzz but seriously excited to see street fighter and tekken in the future

[@Awytoo]

Next challenge - rank up in Dota 2😂

[@torrix_4595]

slopify rebellion...

[@HadusMC]

SRWIN baby

[@Neko2508]

bought the jersey

[@haise.0]

The first one after the first after the first

[@jtchael]

The first one after the first

[@juanmacr2324]

W

[@RobertthePwninatr]

The first one after the first after the first after the first

[@mikyllb]

The first one after the first after the first after the first after the first

[@nahboh1897]

newer would expect Charlie and Ludwig to get cucked in the naming scheme. Whats the point of owning a team if you didn't make have a say in the name.

[@shanehutchinson186]

If you didn’t make have a say in the name, maybe you did make involvement with rest of business

[@gabetaylo]

shopify is so so much bigger of a deal in the funding and ownership than moist would be. charlie and ludwig are essentially taking the same position valkyrae or courage have in tobi lutke's pet project, and bro is a billionaire. yeah he got to choose the name

[@doza6262]

First!

[@roberhoe]

Sportswashing at its finest

[@StillShade]

You could probably benefit from a more weeb approach to this. You have enough conflict in your teams experiences to make a sports anime. Make money off that + increase fanbase and draw sponsors. You'd probably be able to produce a season for less than you lost on esports and make money off it. JJK season 1 probably cost $7 million to produce and made like $75 million. You wouldn't need to go that hard either and there are loads of ways to cut costs. If you want to look at a sports anime made from a boring af game you can look at Hikaru no Go. Add supernatural elements along the lines of Jojo and you'll have merch opportunities too.

[@DarkG7X]

Nobody would watch that. There already is an esports anime and you don't seem to have watched it since you didn't mention it. So why would this one be different? 😄

[@Njago]

@@DarkG7X Arent there several ones? I think from korean and/or china.

[@StillShade]

@@DarkG7X My guy, there's a fucking skateboarding sports anime. There's an anime movie about a teenager who gains fame as a virtual singer. There's a swimming anime. It doesn't matter how boring the activity looks, people will watch it if you do it right and market it right. I don't know what e-sports anime you're talking about. But there are a lot of game-related anime that are very popular. Especially now where escapist genres like isekai are flourishing in the manga and anime space. You have to know the space and respect its tropes but it can be done. Don't feed people bullshit just because your experience with anime and manga is limited to whatever the Americans are watching this week. Lemme guess - "uwu JoJo is the best anime in the history of the world uwu!" Even if they didn't do a good enough job to turn a profit breaking even would still move them in the right direction. Advertising is a loss you take to draw attention to a product. And I don't think, if they bothered to do it right, they would take a loss. Or they can continue to lose money until all the sponsors get sick of them 'for the love of the game'. Noble. But also means that e-sports will end up dying instead of thriving. They have to do something and what they're doing now isn't working. I mean, look at LoL. I've tried that game 3 times even though I know it's not my kind of game. Why? Because their music is insane. Makes me want to join. It's one of the most profitable games in the world and it's no wonder. If there was any chance I, as someone who wasn't already in that space, could enjoy the game I would be playing it. The theatrics, the media drew me in like it did many, many others. If e-sports is going to survive it needs more people willing to push the boundaries. Not people like you who would rather sit in one place and do nothing.

[@MateusChristopher]

You're on an interesting path as arcane caused a flood of people interested in league of legends. But let the millionaires burn money for right now

[@MateusChristopher]

So esports doesn't make money. You're inherently relying on investors with infinite cash to burn. And this is the industry you wanna be apart of so bad? Guys just let it go