Huge Update to Logan Paul Scam

[@williamking256]

How is Logan Paul legit pulling up his employee's criminal history as a defense for himself? You hired them bro!

[@husepher]

He wants people to sympathize for the poor baby

[@kingmanic]

Logan Paul: How dare you interview criminals and conmen. They are obvious untrustworthy. I on the other hand would never associate with such scum, except to conspire to steal money from my fans. SHAME on you Coffeeville.

[@deadlyydude5522]

He’s not very smart… simple as

[@dumbassdude8372]

I get it if he hired 1 fraudster like that is an accident but 3 of them at the same time. He knew what he was doing and if not for coffeezilla everyone would still look at logan paul as "reformed"

[@intrnl]

also, the one criminal record that was shown in the video was from 2002 2002 AND 2021 IS A MASSIVE TIME GAP, ANYTHING COULD HAVE HAPPENED SINCE THEN just because they were once a criminal doesn't mean they'll always stay criminal, and Logan Paul doesn't have anything to show that Z is still a criminal.

[@humanbeing6074]

It's funny how Logan built a team of scammers with the purpose of scamming people, but now his defense is that his partners were scammers.

[@cocoabeanzz]

TRUE LMAOO

[@That_One_Guy...]

God i hate that idiots like this live good life and hardworking mostly live harsher life.

[@tryptich6423]

and that my friend, is the world we live in now

[@squidlover7615]

Galaxy brain

[@thahirshibu5042]

it's so stupid it's almost brilliant, however, Logan is smart and knows the people she was scamming with...

[@nebulous426]

What really kills me about Logan blaming Coffeezilla for giving these sources a platform is that he had OVER A YEAR TO GIVE A STATEMENT TO REFUTE THEIR CLAIMS AND REFUSED TO DO SO.

[@kennymadethat]

yeah logan definitely knew they were criminals through the whole thing

[@stephencarmickle]

I don’t think his hirings were due to his ineptitude, I think he hired the exact people he wanted.

[@aardfay]

I believe so too

[@BlueHundred1]

I agree but that's the picture he's trying to portray, which is hilarious

[@Woozop]

I think the people who spent money on it scammed themselves lol its just damn stupid

[@eirzaa0429]

@@Woozop of course, the people and investors who spent on it are idiots as well. Doesn't make Logan Paul any less of a cunt tho

[@zureai]

@@Woozop Essentially. He hired shady people, and then they all did shady shit to each other and now he’s trying to throw them all under the bus

[@BuiHieuDong]

Logan Paul coming back to the internet once in a while and causing a huge drama is a classic thing to witness.

[@zent183]

At this point I'm convinced he's doing this on purpose for relevancy and marketing

[@zent183]

@finallyitshere5697 don't really need a clip or much explanation for it but ok

[@DigitalW1zard]

I mean this is a stupid comment cause he’s not Batman he doesn’t leave and come back he’s always here it’s just cucks who watch him

[@bwnzix]

@@zent183 it a bot too brah

[@INKtastiks]

real 2018 vibes

[@CaiGwatkin]

Thank you for pointing out the logical fallacies Logan used, people need to be aware of how manipulative he is being

[@125conman]

Not sure why logic isn't a required class in highschool. Logic is one of the few things i learned in highschool / College that I use nearly daily as someone pushing 30.

[@CaiGwatkin]

@@125conman it is useful, for sure. The insidious thing about logical fallacies is that they masquerade as being logical! Critical thinking (and a bit of scepticism) is useful for identifying the underlying, illogical foundation. Unfortunately, that is the harder thing to do and often many will trust that someone else has done the critical thinking for them...

[@madeliakandmonroe2032]

I literally used a strategy like Logan’s back in middle school to win a fake legal argument against other kids in my class and I got the votes from the other kids in the class to win 😂. Super dumb but effective

[@deadlyydude5522]

Yeah Logan clearly thinks he’s got some great comebacks, but in reality he’s just digging himself deeper. Dude should just apologize and move on

[@CoryLuLu]

It's crazy how he integrates that so well at 6:12 definitely not editing out the wrong fallacy and correcting it later with a different one.

[@MindTrick2988]

"The problem isn't being just a narcissist, it's ... also using your narcissism to take on projects you're actually too dumb to fucking do." Well said, bang on.

[@h3rpad3rpacifilis]

He literally just had to stay in his lane, which is entertainment. While its unlikely he is innocent, it would be really stupid to play around business with no prior knowledge beyond basic influencer knowledge and acting stupid in front of camera.

[@Ubebread1]

Even Stevie Wonder can see that this is a scam.

[@vixiestarfire]

And the big problem with that is they think they’re more competent then most people 😂

[@treybellamy2540]

The best part about this channel is that Ludwig really gets to put his degree to use. Extremely entertaining and informative.

[@mylo9753]

His degree in tax fraud 🔥💪🙏

[@mrosskne]

what's his degree?

[@ChickenAndFries09Twitch]

@@mrosskne tax frauding

[@itismelissa]

@@mrosskne journalism

[@shadowdemon2272]

If you pause, Zach's arrest took place in 2002, so over 20 years ago. The irony of Logan, of all people, using one indiscretion from years ago to argue that someone is bad/untrustworthy is so rich I think it gave me diabetes... Edit: 2 days later, not only did Logan turn off comments on the video, he removed it from his channel entirely. Full statement in replies.

[@leaveacomment]

Zach was 19 and Logan dares to put him under fire 20 years later

[@Flapjack3734]

Logan talks about the skeletons in that guy’s closet when the skeletons in his own STILL HAVE FLESH… literally (sorry if thats a bit insensitive, but seriously, if we should immediately write the guy he hired off as a criminal for something done 20 years ago, which might hold validity, then why dont we hold Logan to the same standards for filming actual corpses among other things done within the past decade??)

[@sillygoofygoofball]

THIS

[@theAlex2577]

THIS, and lets not even talk about the fact his bestfriend used to be a drug dealer/addict who wrote a whole book on redemption and second chances

[@thepearlswirl]

I LITERALLY SAID THIS TOO. E X A C T L Y 💯 coffeezilla didnt add it bc it’s not relevant and if it was and he did put it in.. it would have just looked like he was trying to make him (Logan) look bad on purpose which creditable journalist DO NOT DO. It’s facts, evidence and nothing else. That’s how you gain credibility in that field. DUH. Why expose something that happened 20 YEARS AGO.. when LOGANS 61 million view apology was uploaded FIVE YEARS AGO. GET REAL!!!

[@fransvalli1985]

The mental gymnastics of "as a 'journalist' you should know all of these things from the people you talk to" and "as an entrepreneur I'm not reguired of knowing any of these things from the people I go into business with or hire." is quite amazing.

[@whoahanant]

Feels like a common response in crypto. Wasn't Sam Bankman saying similar things lmao. "I don't know what's happening in my own business so therfore I am not responsible".

[@OrbObserver]

@@whoahanant On what world is the excuse "I was negligent and incompetent" a defense and not an admission of guilt?

[@whoahanant]

@@OrbObserver that's the point. They use it like it's a defense but everyone else just sees them as a self report. The whole point is to point out that they seem to use the same excuse every other time when they get into trouble, even though it makes no sense to everyone else. These guys really think that being "oopsy woopsy just a rich guy who didn't pay attention" is a good answer when it isn't.

[@demetriam2408]

It's honestly dumb, because he just goes "here's this information only I knew or that you have talked about otherwise, you r Stoopid"

[@ethan2670]

@here is the full clip fuck you, spam bot

[@lex6576]

the point that Logan complains that Coffeezilla didn't reach out to him is INSANE like what is your manager supposed to do?!?!?

[@ApexGale]

he even had him blocked. and his manager did not do anything but reserve comment during their call and subtly threaten legal action.

[@JustDidYourMother]

Also he did send 3 emails asking Logan Paul for comment lmao. Logan accidentally tweeted for it

[@NoLongerVoid]

"hey can you verify this statement I want to get you're side of the story" "I'm just saying it is your job as a journalist to report factual information"

[@vailingbow1068]

@@NoLongerVoid "yes, that is why I'm reaching out to you."

[@zed011]

Logan : so what is your expertise ? Jeff : I'm not good at anything, basically an idiot, but I can dickriding you at least Logan : Hired !!

[@plaguedoctor7104]

I do love that he’s like “who would hire this untrustworthy guy? Not me I hired the guy who hired him but he’s even worse.” And sees nothing wrong with that

[@HammertonWay]

I pray Coffeezilla doesn't get intimidated by any of these threats from Logan. He's done so much to spread awareness against scammers and puts himself forward as a target against them to get the word out for us.

[@kagato23]

He’s been threatened by smarter and more cohearant.

[@mp5enthusiast]

@@kagato23 lmao true

[@Nobody-wx6rk]

If Coffee's up to date on the legalities of his work, he knows he has nothing to fear. Logan would be shooting himself in the foot by taking him to court because Discovery alone would put the case in Coffee's favor, as I understand it.

[@drmaulana2600]

the guy faced SBF before, Logan is low level crook compared to SBF

[@antman7673]

It is not Logan, but young men motivated by logan.

[@akhilmathews7393]

Man who could’ve guessed he takes 0 responsibility. All he did was photoshop coffeezilla’s face and addressed none of the accusations.

[@scorch4299]

i mean Logan has one play. Just one. The group chat messeges are fake. Thats it. And since thats likely not true, and they are real - hes got nothin.

[@myth_iya5491]

Man that crazy that’s how these people gain so many likes they click on the video and just writes something based off the thumb nail title and first minute of the video

[@Probasaur]

Hope to see some good come out of all this

[@doodleplayer4014]

BUT SMAL FACE FUNY!!!1!

[@lukewarmteabag]

I got memes

[@Idranim]

“You didn’t point out 3 of my fellow creators were criminals” is a crazy way to defend yourself

[@elee9056]

saying you cant trust them due to their past when his past isnt any better….. mr.”second chance please”

[@GamerConnoisseurRei]

Ikr?! That's actually makes him look even more idiotic than Coffeezilla video

[@lnsflare1]

Especially since Coffeezilla kept trying to get in touch with LP directly for his side of the story.

[@kyberion]

@@lnsflare1then he blames him for going to his manager which I thought was his managers job. Logan is too big and famous to deal with every single person asking for comment. So his manager didn’t do his job and that’s coffeezillas fault for I guess not stalking Logan.

[@MelbourneArchviz]

haha

[@dkhosh7380]

the question "at what point do you take responsibility?" really just keeps hitting every time

[@chriscardoz]

Would love to see him defend himself against actual legal prosecution using the same arguments

[@Tface1572]

“I am that guy your honor”

[@silentsylo9053]

^underrated comment 😂

[@ct5625]

I don't think we'll have to wait long for that. The way this guy is going he's going to be wearing orange himself within the next 5 years.

[@cyjan3k823]

Your honor you see law system is just dumb

[@oscarprieto9013]

"It can't be me. I use very little math. I use a lot of elementary school math." --Logan Paul

[@alderoth01]

I'm LOVING all the high end creators not backing down to Logan, or holding their tongue. I've said this multiple times, but Logan comes rushing in like a bully pushing a nerd into lockers, but he didn't know we were all waiting lol. Logan doesn't have a leg to stand on with the Internet, or in a court of law.

[@EternalArctic]

7:55 isn’t this the point of managers in the first place. They’re there to be your voice for the public because you can't do it yourself. “It’s impossible to respond to every dm.” Exactly! That’s why you have managers no?

[@ninjamage5215]

Yeah exactly. Actually braindead defense from Logan there

[@gikle8354]

Its the fact that he reached out to Logan but only after the fact. True the manager is braindead but he should have reached out to Logan before or not at all.

[@ninjamage5215]

@@gikle8354 He did reach out in October of 2021… and how else is he supposed to reach Logan directly? Instagram was his only option because he was blocked on twitter and he didn’t have Logan’s email until after Logan tried to join his Patreon

[@Dryadal]

@@gikle8354 But that's the manager's JOB. It's like, if I was a journalist wanting an interview with President Biden and his secretaries/aides said no, he couldn't come out and say "I wasn't called on my personal phone, what a fraud of a journalist". Because yes, celebrities can't read or answer every direct message on social media. THAT'S WHY MANAGERS EXIST. If they refuse an interview, that's on them. If they should have, according to Logan, then his manager screwed up - not Coffeezilla. By contacting the manager and then sending a DM is more than enough from the POV of journalistic integrity - if Logan's personal contact information like email or phone isn't public, you go through managers. Which Coffee did.

[@Chachixo]

Not to mention the videos came out over an entire week. I have a hard time believing he and his team were unaware of the videos until the third one came out. Then again, he has admitted to being bad at hiring people so maybe not lol.

[@theshinigami55]

I would like to point out that the fact that he had tabs of the same video and other points lined up like this and closed tabs as he went along with his points is insanely organized in a way I could never be. major kudos

[@BrianRocksNow]

A whole crew of people came up with, wrote the script for, filmed, edited, and released Logan's response video thinking it was the biggest W of all time. The dude even teased this 7 minute long response a week ago like it was a bombshell.

[@husepher]

its gunna blow up in his face 😂

[@BDO031]

I mean, i wouldnt mind getting paid probably a decent amount to just edit short low effort shit LMAO.

[@nurazizijuliansyah1369]

It was a bombshell alright, but just bombshell to himself apparently

[@Fay7666]

@@BDO031 I'd rather be Logan's manager. I don't need to think, do, or even be responsible for anything because any of my issues just get deflected by my boss.

[@exodyno]

​@@Fay7666 you'd rather not... xD Jeff is Lodumb's punching bag.

[@Not_Elite_]

Trying to sue Coffee to silence him long enough for people to for get what he did, is a classic scammer move and he WILL get away with it if we allow him to.

[@kingmanic]

Sounds like anti slapp would apply.

[@ArDeeMee]

Logan would never sue Coffee for anything. As Upper Echelon keeps saying „I‘d LOVE for them to have to go through search and discovery.“

[@greenie15]

@@kingmanic if the state has a law like that- and he could sue in a random state as far as I understand

[@BurningTNT]

@@ArDeeMee yeah wouldn’t sueing just give the courts/coffee’s team access to a whole bunch of documents about the fiasco that they never would have seen?

[@mikeg8543]

He would be screwing himself plus rally a community behind coffeezilla that would unite youtubers at a thanos threat level lmao.

[@cadejohnson3219]

Even if he’s innocent the incompetence should ruin any trust with this man.

[@a-sseater553]

Hes definitely not innocent

[@nanobot1497]

@@a-sseater553 Where Is The Proof He’s Not?

[@nanobot1497]

People Act Like They Haven’t Been Fulled Once or Twice And Have Shown Incompetence Themselves In Their Lifetimes 🤣 Logan Gets Scammed Himself And People Hate The Guy All Over Again

[@jasperwildlifeassociation5828]

@@nanobot1497 he puts the blame on everyone else; he could say that he got scammed but made bad choices with the people he got into business with but instead just says “I got scammed as well, I’m also a victim.” He doesn’t accept any blame. (Besides this isn’t the first nft he’s done, so I doubt it’s innocence)

[@nanobot1497]

@@jasperwildlifeassociation5828 He Clearly Admits To His Incompetence. Admits To Being An Idiot That Hired Bad People

[@Mullac544]

I love him calling coffee a bad journalist because he missed some things even though he reached out to Logan multiple times to get their side and help him not miss those things…

[@sora1498]

ikr like he literally did all he could to get logans side and logan is like "well no i said no so actually its not my fault its your fault" like ... what

[@NateVHVT]

He's a bad journalist because he reported accurately apart from the things I wouldn't tell him.

[@Nightsmith_After_Dark]

no no no you don't understand he reached out to his manager thats not Logan /s

[@demandedcargo3919]

That's what I was thinking, too. He could have even said I can't say anything due to legal proceedings if that was the case. LP's response was such a cop out.

[@Chad-bc9vi]

@@Nightsmith_After_Dark it's funny since he reached out to Logan but he ignored Coffee and doesn't have much option to contact him since Logan blocked him on Twitter, he reached out to his manager but he left Coffee on read

[@ThisChangeIsAwful]

Those text conversations are what's known as "securities fraud" Also Logan didn't have to sell his tokens, he got the Egg money. He made over a million dollars in eth from that rug pull without selling a token. It's crazy that this stuff is so complicated that felonies get lost in the details.

[@Slamstarproductions]

When Coffee said "you can't even hatch?", he was talking specifically about eggs bought with Etherium, which is also what the "fine print" there was referencing. Everyone keeps missing this detail.

[@whoahanant]

He also said in the video that "The hatching worked at one point but was then pulled because it was too buggy". He completely addressed the Etherium side of things and the main coins differences. 2 different systems. Hatching only worked perfectly for one side for some amount of time. Maybe they fixed it before the vids came out but Logan also didn't say anything about the problem of attaining their yields either. "There was no way to attain your yield". Has that been fixed Logan? Regardless this all mattered AT LAUNCH. Who cares if it works now if they all lost their money at launch?

[@trentbosnic]

That was a slam dunk at the end, calling out his narcissism while being honest about your own narcissism. Very well put, it's not bad to be narcissistic alone, but when you don't see your own limits and don't take accountability, you are fucked - or your victims are fucked.

[@mmarco8787]

It's only a "slam dunk" to a moron. A crazy guy calling another crazy guy crazy isn't something you should admire. Unless you're a moron.

[@trentbosnic]

@@mmarco8787 You really like the word moron, huh? Ludwig clearly isn't a crazy narcissist, he's a rational guy with some narcissistic tendencies, like every other person who films themselves on KZbin. Only a "moron" would not be able to tell the difference.

[@aidanphilip2288]

Its insane that Logan also said that the developers' kids loved the game and couldn't stop playing it, WHEN IT DIDN'T EVEN EXIST. Then he turned and flammed some guy for having his kid involved in it. The fact thats only a single part of the story is insane too.

[@myth_iya5491]

Stop begging for likes

[@idontknowleavemealoneplease]

The "finally it's here" in these annoying bot comments made me think of the dude who jumps up and down with the force of a surface piercing bomb when his WWF action figures finally *arrive* and I was actually happy I read a bot comment for the first time. Today was pretty good.

[@stuckinatree45]

YES THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@rootfish2671]

@@idontknowleavemealoneplease who?

[@idontknowleavemealoneplease]

@@rootfish2671 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZzNiIioiLyWnK8 this guy. Edit: it arrived 😲

[@Greg_Stache]

We’re all screaming at this video “When will you take responsibility Logan!?” Every video I’m screaming that lmao

[@eliyarrows2456]

Coffee: “I’m blocked on twitter, he ignored all my DMs on instagram, and when I called his manager and asked to talk to him, the manager told me no” Logan: “well you coulda just asked”

[@killershark597]

“I’ve made a continuous and terrible lapse in my judgment…” 😑

[@a_lost_one]

The manager didn't just tell Coffee no... he implied that Coffee would get sued for publishing anything that was considered 'untrue.' I really hope this gaslighting, scamming clown sues Coffeezilla. I'll give Coffee some money while getting ready for the legal discovery phase. 🍿

[@ghosthunter0950]

@@a_lost_one he probably will but it's not a good thing. what I do hope is for some jailtime.

[@saddocatto9245]

@@a_lost_one Wold have been a fun court case again... like the Amber vs Jhonny one. Can't wait for logang to be exposed in the courtroom.

[@OwnerOfGlory]

@@a_lost_one lets be honest if they sue coffee it would be the dumbest thing they could do, the last thing you want after scamming someone is go to court.

[@TenaciousDealer]

Props for not pulling your punches with this one, seriously disappointing what this man gets away with.

[@calvitocalvon1711]

He wont crypto will slowly get regulated and punished, FTX scandal is the first of many

[@Woozop]

Lmao i think if you put money into it your stupid he didn’t scam no one they scammed themselves lolololol

[@niallk9336]

But he did pull punches. The scam around the June buy-in isn't even mentioned. That was the actual scam -- the NFTs, game, etc. was all window dressing to get to that moment when they could monopolize the coins early then have a 2nd shadow launch and sell at enormous profits into the hype. He didn't care about anything up to that point. He got into bed with scammers to scheme that, then was shocked that his fellow scammers never intended to pay a dime to devs. Or that they were secretly buying more on the June launch than they were supposed to. Or that they were secretly selling more than they were supposed to on the shadow / public launch date.

[@SinCarnage]

Just think how privileged we all are to get to live in a time where we can tune in semi regularly to watch logan paul blow up his reputation time and time again

[@twissan]

we are so blessed 🙏

[@Danny191]

How long do you think it will be until WWE scrub any mention of Logan and memory hole him like they did Crispen Wah

[@chrischin_94]

@@Danny191 They won't. Too many kids will tune in to watch him. Which is sad, he's a decent wrestler

[@xPandaaaah]

Why is he allowed to get so rich doing bullshit, though. This world sucks

[@Tethloach1]

@@xPandaaaah Because he is a star, the myth the legend, the icon.

[@markus4732]

"So bad and so illegal - they could get a Zack Snyder cut" man that was such a good line holy shit

[@MoonWielder]

Unfortunately, his fanbase will still defend Logan Paul, even after getting exposed. They will still subscribe and watch his content.

[@NRG-REC]

Then they deserve to get scammed and lose all their money. At some point you gotta let people make their own mistakes and "ignores documentary confirming influencer scammed people and proceeds to give them more of your money" is well past that point.

[@raymark6802]

@@NRG-RECSince his fanbase is kids, they'll grow up and stop watching him, eventually. They will then realize how they defended the wrong person.

[@poptur9044]

@@StewBonBonGood. You came to your senses.

[@wizardfucker8999]

it’s only a matter of time until his fans grow up and lose interest, but even then, there will always be more young children finding out about him and subscribing with grubby ipad fingers. it’s an endless cycle.

[@flapjack4579]

at that point, that’s on them. the facts and allegations are in front of them-if they can’t see the issue, then that’s their problem

[@carboy101]

Reaching out to Logan's manager is effectively the same thing as reaching out to Logan. His manager is his agent and is allowed to speak for him to some extent. They're allowed to do basic shit like respond to communications from the Media.

[@koLdZ1]

Pretty much the same thing, I was freaking malding when I saw that part in Logans vid, that's why people have managers, to fucking manage their time and projects and to filter out bs and forward the important shit to their employer.

[@enthalpy7679]

Yeah it’s pretty much their job to be in charge of that stuff

[@Chad-bc9vi]

His manager is basically useless lol

[@gracefoster7587]

Kinda just outing that almost his whole team is useless and it’s a bunch of yes men

[@phantom_flash_x]

Coffee actually reached out to Logan before through Insta cause Logan blocked him everywhere else, and when that failed he reached out to his manager who left him on read. Logan is an idiot haha

[@markstone6263]

Logan did a nice bait-n-switch. Coffeezilla was talking about the eggs not being able to hatch crosschain on ETH, which logan even validates by saying, "it was working at some point." But Logan mainly points to the claim that eggs werent able to hatch on their native chain, when no one said that they couldn't.

[@killaken2000]

Yes I think it's taken out of context because IIRC he was talking about a specific person and his ability to hatch.

[@specialsause949]

@@killaken2000 that specific person say that the eggs couldn't hatch on the Ethereum side SPECIFICALLY.

[@killaken2000]

@@specialsause949 specifically true

[@kagato23]

I’ll admit this part threw me a bit. I assume Logan is full of shit based on everything else he said being so but I don’t understand this enough to know. As I recall coffee said it still wasn’t working when he released his videos, and Logan seems to be acting like that’s not presently the case at least? I’d appreciate clarification on what “native chain” means.

[@frankleone502]

Gained so much respect for Lud, coming out with a strong and educated opinion on the matter. I appreciate him in a whole new light. Keep on keeping on Ludwig!!

[@mrbodin]

“Educated opinion” 😂😂

[@frankleone502]

Yea educated!? I’m confused on what you’re laughing at

[@cloudbasedbear]

The funny part about Logan's response is that he could have spoken directly to coffeezilla about this when he tried reaching out to him. Logan Paul and his manager HAD THE CHANCE. They literally chose not to tell their side of the story only to then accuse Stephen of lying.

[@whoahanant]

Yeah. Once on insta? I think? Then 2-3 times through the manager. Logan had Coffeezilla blocked so it's not like it was easy to contact him. Also his weird take of "you contacted my manager before me"? I'm about 99% sure most managers are supposed to take calls for you. Or at minimum, relay the call/messages they got to you. That's part of your job as a celeb/influencer manager. How else was he supposed to contact you if he's blocked, probably on a few platforms, with no public or surefire direct way to contact you? Answer: Manager.

[@Dekedence]

@@whoahanant yep, the whole point of having an agent / manager / business email / moderators / PO Box is that acts as a buffer so someone else can filter/sort/vett the incoming stuff, respond/act on behalf and/or flag anything particularly interesting. For someone in demand, it's purely a numbers vs. time thing.

[@Oriansenshi]

The thing is, at the end of Coffee's videos he said that he really hopes that Logan completes the game and gives people what they were promised. He had hope for logan to pull out of this.

[@husepher]

Even if he did mean that its just the "right move" to be the "good" guy regardless of what happens 😂

[@Bodangers]

And Logan chose to dig himself a deeper hole

[@jorgeherrera1074]

One thing I learned from my dad having his own company is that at the end of the day, it is the owner’s fault. If your employee has a royal f up, as the owner you take the blame and apologize. You hired the person, which means you vouched for them.

[@emalinedickinson7492]

Most often, that's how it works, too. At least in agency law. Without direct stipulations there is some legislature in business law that CAN push blame solely on the agent, but at least from our 30,000 ft. view it looks like Logan is responsible for hiring the criminals lol.

[@BIGhomieSLIME666]

It makes me so happy to know that people aren’t just letting him get away with this. Keep me updated Ludwig😂

[@husepher]

He'll just make a new game to make the controversy go away 😁

[@BIGhomieSLIME666]

@@husepher He already tried it’s called 99 Originals😂😂😂

[@ToxicSunPraiser]

Who's Ludwig? I only know Mogul Mail

[@StabbyTheSkaven]

@@BIGhomieSLIME666 i mean that wasnt really a game, just a bunch of ugly polaroid esque images he didnt want to sell as actual goods so he made nfts because no one would care about his art offline

[@Titzmcfloppin]

Yeah man, I stopped my 8 and 12 year old from watching him after all of this. It’s quite clear that he doesn’t deserve an audience anymore.

[@Asad.981]

13:35 Logan Paul: “trust me bro, I’m that guy”

[@07kamichamakarin]

He basically defamed Coffee and 'doxxed' his 'team' yet he want to sue Coffee for defamation. What a sweet irony.

[@husepher]

It's so delicious

[@HexiiSky]

i dislike logan as much as the next person. but court documents are public record. didnt dox anyone

[@johnsmith-mt9ob]

@@HexiiSky For real. I'm not sure why everyone is so upset about this. Logan is required to disclose relevant information about the case, as well as any documents or evidence related to the case. This is like Logan saying I have nothing to hide.

[@biggiewiggie5557]

@@johnsmith-mt9ob Except people have been trying to get ahold of him for over a year for comment, got threatened by his limp dick buddy on his payroll that they'd be sued if they talked about it, and then basically said "Logan no bad, me hire bad people. feel bad child fanbase :(". Fucking lol thinking he had nothing to hide.

[@tempest8920]

@@johnsmith-mt9ob if you can't tell Logan is in the wrong You're at max like 12 years old

[@omar24h]

Not gonna lie Ludwig man you opened my eyes and made me realize a crucial flaw in myself. I completely let whatever Logan said just fly past me not analyzing much of what was said and was almost saying that he actually has good facts in his video. But you showed me how dumb I am and I definitely need to work on my analytical skills in order to dissect information thats fed to me so that I don't just get blindly swayed by the idiot out there on the internet

[@_BELMONT_]

Good on you! Just dont give any of these rich kids any money

[@BroadwayBrittany]

Don’t feel too bad: the tactics Logan used are designed to be persuasive, to make you think as little as possible about what he’s saying and get you to nod along in agreement. If you want to start working on your analytical skills, I suggest doing exactly what Ludwig does here: after every statement or so, pause whatever video it is you’re watching and take a moment to think over what was just said. Process it, question it. Does it make sense? Is it accurate? Is it trying to convince you of something? If so, what? Is it even relevant to the main point being made? Analytical skills are something that have to be practiced, just like any other skill. I hope this helps you develop yours :)

[@Pimp.My.Forklift]

It's always easy to take the side you're already on. That's is why we usually believe the first source we hear, specially if it's someone we trust. So anyone that can realize and admit they were being deceived is already ahead of the curve.

[@MrNikolidas]

Wholesome comment section right here. We need more critical thinkers, keep fighting the good fight.

[@BLOBGAMERv2]

Not gonna hate on ya for realizing your mistake, but it was easy to tell that Logan Paul is not a good person lol

[@PaarthShah]

What Logan did: No apologies No accountability Only defense and "saving goodwill" If coffee had not exposed him, he wouldn't have made a vid or anything about this and obviously not even developed crypto zoo...

[@stanclark8824]

@Evan Shlom exactly hahaha if he did, I'd be surprised. the only real thing he is doing is taking coffeezilla to court.

[@kyberion]

The “who are you to decide” is so trash. Cause it’s been over a year since any update. It’s blaming coffee for him not doing work

[@wizardfucker8999]

just when i thought “hey, maybe logan’s turning around”, he pulls this shit. he’s never gonna change with all that money in his pocket. the shit changes people like drugs.

[@kyberion]

@@wizardfucker8999 He showed a dead body and already got away with a crypto scam. He doesn't acknowledge accountability and growth only backlash

[@itwasmedio9198]

Don't forget, he also exposed himself for working with criminals and scam artists

[@samanthaecotothermia7896]

5:34 “You hired those guys, that’s your fault!” Preach! 👏

[@HirschyKiss]

I think for the "3rd time reaching out" thing, Moisty had a pretty good take. Jake had blocked Coffee, so reaching out to Jeff instead was probably a good idea since there could have been a "harassment" suit.

[@XxTheRacistGamersxX]

Can we just point out that Mogul Mail had multiple tabs of the same response video so that the overall presentation of the video would be buttery smooth? Truly the GOAT

[@husepher]

Lol

[@nommads]

this is probably the most genuine anger i’ve seen from mogul mail

[@rrameir]

It’s getting kinda funny to me how people are consistently shocked that random people on the internet do not have their best interest at heart.

[@husepher]

It makes for good content, eat it up everyone! 🤷‍♂

[@xen2125]

@@husepher facts though…I’m entertained

[@mariya_tortilla]

Lud, narcissists can't stomach calling themselves narcissists. They are unable to admit wrong doing or faults/weaknesses. They're particularly poor at taking accountability. Take it from someone who personally knew a couple diagnosed ones. You're all right my guy lol

[@tuesday3735]

I wish I could get the narcissist in my life to get diagnosed. At least then I wouldn't keep telling myself it's all in my head!

[@jelser23]

"He's not a real investigator" straight to "I learned Eddie was a scam artist who has scammed many people" How would he even trust Coffee if he's so inept?

[@dahlia3237]

For real. In one tweet he says he respects him in another he says coffee is a "gossip channel trying to make a name for themselves"

[@jelser23]

@@dahlia3237 he can’t help but contradict himself

[@Hrvatski77]

How do you know he found out through coffee

[@remedy4thesoul]

@@Hrvatski77 In Coffee's video he literally goes TO Logan's manager with the info that Eddie is a scammer and they told him they "Trust the people who vouched for Eddie", so I'm pretty sure they heard it from Coffee first.

[@pp-zp4ck]

i like how his biggest defence is his team of scammers that he made to set up his scam

[@tonikukoc1451]

Scam implies he got monetary gain out of it. He didn't. What Logan Paul did, wasn't a scam. It was poorly organized, recruited, rushed project. Logan Paul should be held accountable for that - irresponsibility and incompetence. Not for monetary scam. Coffezilla should be held accountable for the poor amateur journalism - he redirected story into a biased direction to attract higher attention. "Incompetence and irresponsibility" doesn't sell as a good as "scamming". Small investors should be held accountable for their poor risk management and finance handling. Yet, source of that can be found in human basic intelligence. And you cant really hold accountable someone for being stupid. Just feel pity for him.

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

@@tonikukoc1451 you're just wrong. just because logan didnt profit of off his attemped scam does not make it any less of a scam. if you and a crew rob a bank and you get left behind with no money, you still robbed the bank also coffee literally did a good job. none of what logan said are good points. dev was arrested 20+ years ago? how is that relevant. one out of 9 or so of the victims that testified were potentially a scammer too? what does that matter, he's not every victim and even then it doesnt justify logan or make that guy any less of a victim

[@tommyfanzfloppydisk]

@@tonikukoc1451 wrong, by law terms : stupidity and ignorance don't constitute an excuse to committing crimes. so unless you were completely oblivious of all the scamming actions (which he is not since there are text messages about market manipulation) or you're enough mentally retarded to not be able to understand textes and to be manipulate like a dog puppy by the others team members, but you should prove that with medical reports in court; If you pair up with shady characters, run a business , then the business turns out to be a scam, depending on what was your grade on the management stair ,you will be equally prosecutable as the other shady characters.

[@JK7H]

Ibanez and jake the crypto king got monetary gain from it. This implies that the project was a scam, but the face and creator shouldn't be held accountable.

[@kagato23]

@@tonikukoc1451 no, it was a scam. It’s just that Logan Paul got scammed within his scam. Logan Paul says right in these clips that kids are playing and loving this “game” and he knows that’s a lie as he says this. He could never deliver what he was selling.

[@Fourchin]

Logan truly is just that one kid that never grew up and will never be ready to face the consequences of his actions

[@chrischin_94]

He was handed the world at 18 with probably many others with not so good intentions lending support. All about the money to them

[@jimmylander2089]

He doesn't even understand how it's his fault lol

[@AsuraComplains]

Logan Paul getting absolutely ratio'd by outing himself as an incompetent narcissist in an attempt to say he isn't a scammer is absolutely amazing, and definitely the first treat of 2023.

[@dangerousdays2052]

There will be many more treats to come this year. If we live long enough.

[@RobGradyVO]

Really love the addition of explaining an Ad Hominem, More people need to be given like definitions on big phrases and words they hear in vids so they dont misuse them (I was a Big Word kid lmfao). Keep up the Great work.

[@HarryVRC]

God I love when Ludwig is brutally honest

[@grassfedbeef]

That's not ludwig, that's Mogul Mail. Completely different people

[@Forca_Barca]

He should have just started with "I've made a severe lapse of my judgement and I don't expect to be forgiven"

[@zachrocks]

Logan Paul trying to be taken serious is one of the funniest things i’ve seen

[@husepher]

Strange that people do! 🤭

[@ArensVT]

4:00 as coffee has pointed out, this guys record was hidden so there was zero way for coffee to know that.

[@KingDuble]

That’s gotta be the most emotion lud has shown in a mogul mail by far

[@ilievsaso]

wdym ludwig and mogul mail are 2 different people

[@tigerpaws77]

The only thing Logan brought to the table with this video is that the phone call was illegal. Yet it wasnt because Coffee lives in Texas which is a one-party consent state, and federal law states the jurisdiction of where the recording device is located is the law that applies.

[@kempolar9768]

Big shock that someone promoting crypto with the phrase "do your own research", did not in fact do his legal research.

[@Bobbias]

@@kempolar9768 it's pretty hilarious seeing him out himself the entire time though.

[@nikkoa.3639]

The only issue is that we don't know where Jeff was during the time of the call. If he was in California then there's a chance he'd get sued because often the case would go to the stricter state (as per the video by Shafer). HOWEVER, a journalist asking for comment gives reasonable ground to believe that ANYTHING that the person in question would say would be on record.

[@SM-po9wf]

@@Bobbiashilarious. He admits to everything 😂

[@Eserchie]

Of course, during said call Jeff acknowledges that he's being recorded, which means he's aware of it, which implies consent to the recording, since he did not end the call.

[@joshmartinez9015]

Logan has not changed he just knows how to hide his true self

[@Milton..]

@Subtome253scammer dum dum

[@arcy2056]

@SubbingToEveryoneWhoSubbsToMe bot alert

[@Kilo_11]

100% the guy is a scumbag manipulator and he manipulated many people into thinking he is not the asshole he is

[@joeyjojos5839]

He's shown that he's definitely still a dumbass- especially if he thinks that he's fooling anyone

[@DipsAndPushups]

I have an impression that somebody wrote for him the script in this video and he is just reading it out loud

[@JustDante_Te]

6:13 gotta be the smoothest cut ever made no one will know lol (love these keep up the great work)

[@rainbowtroutin]

"he doesn't know where his ambition ends and his abilities begin" is a hard ass line and perfectly sums up his entire career

[@yt.personal.identification]

Yup...but it is backwards. Abilities end...but ambition continues.

[@JTTTTTGGGGG]

@@yt.personal.identification lol yeah Mogul kinda goofed on that one but still a good line! 😂

[@yungjose3369]

@@yt.personal.identification thats the point of the line...

[@simisim0566]

He tried use the criminals *he* hired as a gotcha moment against Coffeezilla? I-

[@husepher]

Lp is a silly boy

[@iewad8761]

„This is a scam and its your responsibility for putting it out there“ „No, its your fault for not knowing that this was a scam beforehand“

[@someonehandsomewithoneeye]

It's like a murderer in a detective mystery confessing to everything and lambasting at the detective for missing a few small details

[@ojtiv]

i love the way ludwig has different tabs to different timeframes and such, it really makes the flow of the video so much nicer to the eye. thanks for that

[@OsamaNafa]

I’ve never seen Ludwig so blunt he is usually the diplomatic one

[@willcole9776]

I feel like Ludwig is standing up for Coffeezilla here. Logan is trying to use his larger audience to gaslight the world on what went down and I think Ludwig is saying “man that ain’t gonna happen on Mogul Mail’s watch”

[@heinzarniaung2915]

@@willcole9776 def, I feel a lot of the internet listens to the tone rather than the words being said. Logan's obv using this from the way he speaks and the constant ad hominem attacks.

[@sk-ig4wt]

its very funny how logan thinks coffee doesnt have people who will support coffee for example pretty sure charlie alone can do that , let alone ludwig and his own audiences

[@rjfaria8454]

Lud put more work in on setting up all the tabs than Logan did on his response 😭

[@ruirodtube]

Logan Paul hiring conmen is “birds of the same feather flock together”. It’s not a bug, it was on purpose.

[@alexanderfeitner9048]

I love how ludwig went from "scamwig" to constantly covering scams

[@saddocatto9245]

*scammedwig

[@laplantamichay]

wait what wdym by scamwig

[@luistrevino7800]

@@laplantamichayit’s a meme on his streams

[@realchiknuggets]

@@luistrevino7800 gross

[@dementia3499]

the redemption arc

[@light_bringer1007]

Logan is just telling us about how he's surrounding himself with people he can't trust

[@husepher]

Its really sad, I can't imagine how afraid he is 😢

[@ArDeeMee]

He‘s just so helpless… 😞

[@thepearlswirl]

@@ArDeeMee 😂

[@tilted_axis9819]

I’m honestly floored he directly responded at all. Usually the best response for influencers is “pay no mind” and their core audience will forget, some will leave and they make up for it with more growth.

[@nimmha6708]

I guess his comments/chats are filled with "scammer" ect. So before it all crumbles/crumbled he HAD TO react.

[@assholus228]

literally transcripts of him talking about manipulating the market by planning on selling together, the plan to pull the rug together with a bunch of criminals, its not just a matter of hiring bad people.

[@clintgahm1495]

He's trying to control the narrative through blatantly lying, gaslighting, manipulating, and attacking anyone who speaks out against what he's doing because it's far easier to completely ignore the well built arguments based on hard evidence and just sling shit everywhere to make people question what they thought they knew. Classic narcissist playbook

[@badgermetal]

I was thinking the same thing, there is no way Logan responds to anyone and just starts the legal process behind closed doors. Nope, he makes an emotional trainwreck of a video calling everyone but himself a criminal. I think the view count on videos like this one are making him really shit himself.

[@Hideyoshi1991]

"I hired a recovering alcoholic to run my liquor store, and I'm just as shocked as you to find out he's been drinking again." -Pogan Laul

[@sethIguess2002]

I am SOOOOOO happy so many more popular ppl within this space is calling Logan out about this something needs to happen

[@dramaexterminatus]

"You see, I am not guilty for the man I hired is actually a felon!" Smooth moves Logan, smooth moves.

[@crudercrane3261]

I love the wiki pages on fallacies. People need to be more familiar with them so they won't fall for people like Logan Paul utilizing these fallacies to escape culpability

[@husepher]

if people are educated = less scams = less content = less luwig

[@caenir]

@@husepher Ludwig likes falling for scams, we'd be good.

[@bendover9620]

@@husepher NPC take lmao

[@Bvda.]

11:00 exactly that. if no one had done what coffeezilla has done now, logan paul would never have spoken a word about it

[@lil1taly]

id like to ad note that just because one of the people coffee interviewed was a scammer, that doesnt mean he is above getting scammed. like scammers get scammed all the time

[@whoahanant]

Case in point, Logan got scammed by scammers and he isn't good. Funny how he acts like he's so full of justice when he works and sells with criminals himself.

[@ArDeeMee]

Yeah, criminals are so useless as sources. Why would you ever believe anything a criminal says? - law enforcement, probably

[@FAT4LS]

@@whoahanant just like what the other people said. "No honor among thieves"

[@laskeese7930]

So his entire argument is "I'm not a scammer I just worked exclusively with scammers"

[@tffzhoopp8959]

Small part of “Your fault for not reaching out to me, and instead to my manager (which is the whole point of his job)“

[@kildotgaming]

Well, he's always been a bit of a dipshit tool from the moment he emerged.

[@lunarumbreon7699]

Logan: “I hired a bunch of conmen but, this definitely isn’t a scam and I definitely had nothing to do with the conmen”

[@tge2102]

Someone steals one thousand- Straight to prison Someone steals one million- maybe a "harshly worded letter" but no punishment Someone steals one billion- hugs and dinners with MP's and Senators

[@GorillaGround]

I expected him to investigate his own scam only to find himself innocent. Yet he couldn't even do that 😬😬 yikes..

[@notJuggy]

Lugwig really putting his English degree to work 💀

[@GOODDELLABOYS]

@Моgul МаiI 🅥 how was this relevant to the comment?

[@Hermanator1124]

@@GOODDELLABOYS it's a bot sadly

[@GOODDELLABOYS]

@@Hermanator1124 I realized that. I just didn’t bother actually putting the edit tho

[@Hermanator1124]

@@GOODDELLABOYS that's chill nw. have a nice day tho

[@matt4735]

Might just be me, but if someone accused me of not paying them, I would just pull up the receipts of me paying them. Seems pretty easy

[@RollMeAFat1]

Logan’s entire video boils down to just 7 minutes of “nuh-uh”

[@shitaishiro]

this is the first time ive seen mogal mall go so hard at anyone

[@husepher]

probably because he let his guard down and got truly betrayed deep down inside

[@silver9489]

I love when Mogul Mail does his videos all in one take.

[@DigitalW1zard]

I know he kinda looks like Ludwig no way it’s Him tho

[@wilbursonagon]

@@DigitalW1zard Ludwig died in the pogo stream. Now mogul mail is carrying this channel and Ludwig’s channel

[@wilbursonagon]

Pogo stuck

[@Josh-ko6su]

two take jake

[@misterfish6126]

so uncalled for when logan said coffeezilla was like keem. hes asking for war.

[@agent0422]

Great coverage and also was pleasantly surprised by Lud's nuance when talking about narcissism. Rare to see these days

[@idontknowleavemealoneplease]

I feel like when Logan uploaded his video and thought to himself "this will definitely make me look better" he perhaps *made a severe lapse in judgement*

[@bobfan2821]

Even if coffeezilla wrong as Logan says(101% unlikely), still doesn’t change the fact that Logan lied to his audience about cryptozoo being a fun game when theres no game to even begin with. Still technically scammed his audience

[@Kendal1999]

“Today I will be addressing coffezillas claims with facts and logic” *Proceeds to address none of the claims* -Logan 2022

[@scorch4299]

Hes gonna get arrested. I cant see that not happening. those messages can be proven geniune with a warrant, and he literally admits to conspiracy to commit fraud along with the others. easy case.

[@ErinLOVESmakeupxoxo]

Forest Boy

[@GamerConnoisseurRei]

Also admit hiring Criminals without checking any of their background lol

[@spencer6709]

2023*

[@aryandas9470]

The point where he says " projects u r too stupid to take" . The honesty🔥😭😂😂

[@ClintStevensClips]

That's Mogul "Two Take Tony" Mail, that's quality.

[@GolenCheeseIt]

30k people watching the stream, and not a single person thought of this when Mr. Mail was talking about his retakes. Nice Job, man lmao

[@Killerboot369]

The Emilio point is hilarious. ‘Sure i scammed a lot of good people, but at least i also scammed a bad guy’

[@remedy4thesoul]

Literally 😭Like omg of course you likely scammed a bunch of people who also took part in other scams, thats literally how anyone makes money in Crypto

[@LukeClosson]

Anyone else remember Logan's redemption arc in 2020? Me neither

[@lifeasrini]

Yeah I forgot all about it a few weeks ago as well 🤔🤔

[@husepher]

Right?

[@gordonneverdies]

Zack Kelling's mug shot is awesome. I always love mug shots with those "oh well" smirks😂