Hunt Showdown: Camping Doesn't Pay

[@Bishop1664]

Nothing wrong with holding a fortified boss lair when there are players (camping) outside

[@4FSGaming]

There are some players who do it really well, they trap the place up, wait for you to overextend yourself, and then isolate a lone attacker who gets to confident or wallbang with shotguns, but most of the time they sit inside hoping you just walk in the front door, and it gets them dead.

[@KrullKama]

4FS Gaming could be worse. We KB assassin yesterday after clearing the nerds out, fought two other teams (I run bomb lance aggressive with a nagant off.) and the other team literally was all crown and Kings dolch at the other boss lair. Fucking idiotic I tell ya. Did nothing but sit in there.

[@entropii]

Nothing wrong with holding choke points to a compound when they are players camping inside with the bounty :)

[@kuessebrama]

yes. I mean especially if you got shotguns it would be suicide to push out if the other team has long ammo. Not pushing and camping outside the Boss lair is literally the same. I always push if i want the bounty, i don't camp outside, even if they have shotguns, or atleast i try, if my explosives do not work i retreat and make the other boss, or wait 5-10 min on the way they are probably take or i run out if i have the other bounty.

[@CoolFLDad]

Especially with a nitro

[@dannye7612]

"I may not like that you're camping...but I'll defend to the death your right to do it." -Abe Lincolns

[@loafinabout158]

It's funny how when someone sits inside with a shotgun they're camping. The guy sitting outside with a lebel is not camping though. Both teams just refuse to fight each other in a position where their gun is at a disadvantage. It's kind of funny how both teams have the exact same mentality that the other team is camping.

[@4FSGaming]

It's not about where you are sitting, but rather what you are doing. If you're only plan is to kill the enemy when they enter the boss lair, then that's camping, likewise if your only plan is to wait till they run out and snipe them, then your camping too. If you are probing, baiting, and making plays, then you are taking the initiative, doesn't matter what side of the wall you are on.

[@loafinabout158]

@@4FSGaming Fair enough but I can't count the number of times I've scanned a red boss lately and I just walk in, kill the boss, and the people outside never move. They just sit out there with their rifle waiting for me to walk out so they can kill me. I'm not gonna run out there with my bomb lance into their lebel marksman. Half the time they'll come in on voice chat insulting me calling me a camper blah blah as they sit outside camping my lair.

[@4FSGaming]

Yeah that's camping for sure! It would have been good for me to include a clip from that perspective, but I've been running mostly rifles lately so haven't found myself in that position.

[@z0ldic447]

Okay but if you are inside wit shoti the other team outside with rifle, i would think it twice to peek out, much easier for the rifle team to land a kill the inisde team can't bait a lot of places got 3 ways out, you can track all of them

[@vysearcadia522]

Loafin About how do you know if they are just sitting? Other than by scanning, you may have missed that some are silently crouch walking for angles and taking initiative while another holds a crucial angle. This is just smart plays. The same for the shotgun inside and even rifles... peaking windows are death sentences - they are watched. You have to scan a larger area outside the window while they just have to look at the window. So it’s stupid to say the guys inside should take initiative. They need to wait for an opening to make a play. Otherwise they get punished for peaking. This is why I 100% disagree with this ludicrous assessment for a video and he should take his CoD and battlefield ideologies out of an audio hunting game. Even R6S would half disagree with him.

[@Toniogonza]

This the bayou bro. Rule is there are no rules. Murk or get Murked.

[@4FSGaming]

Exactly! The only rule is don't die.

[@paralegalparaplegic8177]

@@4FSGaming and no aimbotting lol

[@soflyguy92]

FACTS

[@niksonrex88]

Exactly eat lead, or give em lead. There's no noob strat. If you get killed by a player that set themselves up with an advantage, imma just say, fella you got outplayed. The player had better cards and used them correctly. Good on their part for doing so.

[@hannebambel9651]

You forgot the Sidebuilding camper: A player who found the Boss waiting in a side building for someone else, to come and fight the Boss, in order to attack them, while they´re busy.

[@4FSGaming]

Couldn't find footage of that specimen unfortunately.

[@tomekm83]

there is anti camp system for that-red blinking icon if there is enemy close to lair

[@blackknightz5036]

I don't hate that tho,it's my fault for not making sure i'm the first one here before going in there and fight the boss

[@TheGamingDandy]

@@tomekm83 sometimes the compound is big enough to still hide in it without being in range to trigger the red whispers.

[@michamaciej9563]

Isn't that the most reasonable thing to do? If you find a boss after a certain period of time then you'd you have to be a complete noob not to expect players either already waiting around or coming very soon. Sounds like a newbie complain to me

[@ZuDummZumKackenLP]

You cant even know if the first guys were camping there, it looked more like they just arrived there to cut you off. Also trashtalking is way more annoying than people camping for a few minutes.

[@4FSGaming]

Single bounty, 10 minutes into the game? They were holding the extract for sure. Also that's not trashtalk.

[@Daydreamer-uy4hg]

Everyone always thinks that they play the game the right way. It’s a game play how you play. If you’re not having fun then it’s not a game anymore and why play it.

[@4FSGaming]

Exactly, I enjoy dismantling campers in compounds, you can usually milk a few kills from them as they keep reviving. It's a nice change of pace from the sweaty mosin shootouts.

[@michaelhenderson1337]

@@ryanhaysom163 it's a way of life

[@Vulpori]

@@ryanhaysom163 with that kind of logic even if u camp u cant kill anything cuz of ur bad aim just take a look at this vid lol

[@blackknightz5036]

Lurker-They play silently and strike when you're vulnerable Camper-They sit in one place with a thumb up their ass all game Learn the different~

[@jigsawalwayswins8636]

You had a typo so I fixed it Lurker: Too lazy to do their own work

[@vysearcadia522]

BloodwatchDaGamer I had to make a correction... Lurker: using more patience than you’ve got.

[@mayuzumiandme]

@@vysearcadia522 either way sitting in one place is pretty silent

[@davidmartin7219]

Throw back to when I extraction camped with dual handbows playing solo and scored a bounty in the most awkward 1 v 3 ever

[@bryanjurgensen4580]

Problem is that camping often is a consistent part of the game, especially if you need to be careful / patient. In this case, it was quite dumb (even tho i would do the same, if someone waits with a nitro for you)

[@blackknightz5036]

Like sometime i'm forced to camp outside the boss lair cause the boss is dead in Prison and i have a long ammo rifle while i don't know what the other team have so of course i'm not gonna go in there

[@barneyfromblueshift]

Yeah, if I have just killed the boss and I have a shotgun inside the lair, why in the universe would I push out? It's much better for me to force them to push me and punish mistakes. I appreciate that it's boring (it is for the guy inside, too), but that's the game. I don't think I'm a "camper", I'm just playing Hunt.

[@maxwellstickel2512]

It's sometimes best to play it low when you need too, but the ability to switch playstyles really does help. "Oh Jesus this Hunter going to hide all gam- is that a Romero Hatvhet" Bang - Slash - Sexual Hunter Moans

[@Etis_]

From the boss lair camper prospective you're camping outside without rushing them.

[@azruldanish]

Pushing Lair is suicide when they camp it. Aiming out of lair is not

[@blame7121]

@@azruldanish Depends on the lair. When there's only a few windows to aim out of, you can't be sure where exactly they are sitting, meanwhile their aim is focused into those windows/doors where you'd try to peak out from just to get a bullet in your skull. Like the second footage on the video, attackers where covering pretty much every hole. One guy peaked out through the window and immediately got downed.

[@4FSGaming]

No, we don't rush, but moving, probing, taking wall shots, that drives the action forward, sitting inside does not.

[@AndreLuiz-sr1ro]

@@4FSGaming That is literally camping. From the shotgun perspective, you're camping outside waiting for him to run out and die while hoping to get lucky with a wallbang. That does not move the action forward since I can literally sit in a place where I can't get shot until you get tired.

[@mixturedre6869]

@@AndreLuiz-sr1ro thanks these guys don't seem to understand that at all they think the way they play is how it should be done because that is the play style they use

[@mettindeingesicht2445]

4:00 you are camping the bosslayer from the outside. The worst: The outside bosslayer camper.

[@EvilTurnip]

You don't seem to understand how the core game works. If a person is the one with the bounty and they aren't moving, they are the one that's camping and stalling the game. The game mechanics are so that you are suppose to extract with the bounty, and not sit in a building with various traps like a pussy. That's why the devs added the extra time bonus in an attempt to keep the gameplay flowing. "Extract" or "outside boss lair" camping is easily diffused by strategic use of enhanced dark vision and pushing together as a team to break out.

[@4FSGaming]

Also, we are not sitting around doing nothing, we are probing, looking for weaknesses, shooting through walls, driving the engagement. The camping side is passive.

[@robertharris6092]

@@EvilTurnip that's not how it works at all... the people that refuse to take any risks and always play long ammo and camp with sniping weapons are the ones stalling the game.

[@MajorZeroCELL]

Truth be told, people defending their bounties inside the boss lair have a big advantage. This is why we bring with us a lot of concertina traps and mines, to prevent the enemy from escaping where we can't see them. Most of the time they're players who just want to run for their lifes to the extraction, and are afraid to fight. So we just make set traps all around the building while they're busy with the boss. Once they're done, and started banishing, this is usually where we push and put pressure on them to force them to commit a mistake. You'd be surprised what kind of stupid things stressed players do. Traps can be used in more smart ways than just camping inside boss lairs. It's powerful to deny enemy revivals.

[@Wirthier]

Ya know. I mean. Ya know. That’s a nitro and dolche. I’d complain about that sooner than campers.

[@r4wstyl3]

I wouldn't say I'm a camper, but there are definitely quite a few scenarios where me and my team would hole up inside the boss lair, simply because it's the best course of action. If we can get the bounty and go before others come, of course we would leave, sometimes we start banish and immediately go for the other bounty, then come back for ours later if it's still there. Extract camping in my opinion is kinda useless and bad, but boss lair camping is definitely quite useful. I think going for one playstyle only is not very fun, just like a action packed gunfight on any range can be fun, so can be waiting for the enemy to push and then fight back.

[@Undredlafirme]

My best memories against camping was stealing bounty with the perk snake, at distance...

[@danielmurray9030]

Give ‘em the ole yoink and boink. My friends and I try to do it at the exact same time so they get nothing. Then book it towards and extract and turn when they are violently chasing. Works every time

[@dacreatorz901]

Yea u forgot pre-boss camping. Players who make it to the boss but instead of fighting it, wait for another team to fight it and then attack them mid-fight. Ppl who do that ruin the game. This is why I won't bother with assassin since he's basically immune to sticky bombs.

[@impc8265]

ppl inside: all these campers are not pushing in and step on my traps ppl outside: all these campers are not peaking where we are aiming at

[@holypavonis382]

Great gameplay, you guys are chill, pleasant to watch !

[@deadintheeyesofadragon7535]

I am starting to think everyone you play against you just call a camper. Next video "Hunter Camper: Tries to sneak up to the boss lair when I am waiting inside for enemies and kill me"

[@deadintheeyesofadragon7535]

Also great video man really tense fights!

[@4FSGaming]

I'll define a camper by amount of movement and passivity, if they are creeping, baiting, shooting through walls, then not a camper.

[@AlleroseActual]

These are all valid strategies to play the game. You can add "camper" to any word you want if it makes you less frustrated. Ive used every "camping" style in this video even your attacking side and sometimes it pays sometimes it doesnt. Thats the nature of Hunt: Showdown.

[@4FSGaming]

I make guides mainly, and the purpose is to help people play better. What I hope people take from this video is that passive play gives the initiative and the opportunity to your attackers, and puts you in a vulnerable position. In hindsight, some commentary to highlight this point may have been useful.

[@AlleroseActual]

@@4FSGaming more like you just outplayed the people in your video. This game is so situational sometimes passive is the way to go sometimes its being aggressive. I dont think you like the former thats all. So you promote aggression. Not saying you are wrong, but I dont play this game nearly the same way you do.

[@4FSGaming]

It's a bit of a balancing act, being passive can keep you alive and undetected, but when it's time to act and the opportunity presents itself, you have to be ready to go 100%. Always need to have the mentality of a predator, but for some reason when people pick up bounty they start to act like prey.

[@michamaciej9563]

The second guys had a pretty big edge over you, they were just dumb enough to lose it. If they play their cards right in this situation you re forced to wait as long as they make you, until the game runs out of time. Camping can pay off if you have enough time to spare.

[@4FSGaming]

They could have rushed my mate on the ground pretty easily, he was isolated, and near one of their exits. But he said it best "they won't", sometimes you see the psychology of how people are playing, and you know they won't make any bold aggressive moves like that.

[@robertcarlsson9720]

@Michał Maciej But what kind of vegetable would you have to be to play the game that way? xD

[@michamaciej9563]

@@4FSGaming yeah the campers will rarely make any moves, I meant just that you can't really do much as an attacker if they defend a compound like this one. The only chance you get of taking them out is if they make a mistake first, like it happened in the video. Huge misplay by them after they took out your teammate.

[@michamaciej9563]

@@robertcarlsson9720 Dunno but I seem to be meeting plenty of them lately. It's annoying cause you need time to punish them but once you do its hella satisfying

[@NightBoyPlays]

5:17 happend to me too yesterday but after the fight the guys in the cellar just left without even taking the bounty for what ever reason.

[@nukesRus123]

Concertina camped the Chapel of Madonna noir the other day, camped for 42 minutes whilst the trio with the other bounty camped above, we trash talked each other the whole time till there were 2 minutes left on the lobby, by now they'd put on person on each entrance so pushed out for an easy 1 v 3 cleaned up the rest and extracted with 2 bounties, as long as you have patience (and keep an eye on the timer) camping the boss lair is perfectly viable if you're smart about it (for reference we shared our stats with each other, the other guys would've crushed us if we'd ran into them earlier in the match/out in the open)

[@kimmygrrr8355]

if it doesnt pay then how come i win my fights when i wait for people to push into the boss building?

[@4FSGaming]

You'd win more fights by being more active, I guarantee it.

[@mattstokes4971]

Concentrina camping actually works wonders if they don't have explosives to break the wire, nothing like having 6 traps preventing anyone from entering and when they try breaking it it's usually a easy kill, I usually only do it when solo since I'm at a disadvantage so I gotta use dirty rat tricks sometimes 🤷‍♂️

[@basedape97]

I hardly ever rush lair campers, because in many lairs (Cyprus being a good exception), if the people inside are halfway decent, you are just dead. Sure, nades and all, but without good angles and cracks to peek through there is a pretty high chance you're just gonna die to a Romero around a corner. Considering that most campers are just afraid of fights I find it much better to move away, out of boost range, and intercept them once they finally get out. There is nothing worse than essentially serving campers a free kill because you played their little game and decided to be brave and push in. The more often their tactic gets them disrespected out in the open while they think "Huhu our tactic worked, everyone's gone" and the fewer wins it gets them, the sooner they'll change their tactics, if ever.

[@EvilTurnip]

This guy gets it

[@4FSGaming]

I find that you can tell if the campers inside are halfway decent, they will be trying to kill you though walls and that kind of thing (but at that point it's not really camping anymore), passive campers are usually much more timid and inexperience, and just end up getting farmed. Of course there are the exceptions, and they can be difficult to deal with.

[@PanzerIV88]

True, I've stopped playing THEIR boring game as I'm not the most patient and usually if they camp it's cause they have shotguns and tons of trap so I'm not gonna rush in with long ammo, get one shot at the door/corner then instan-burned then force my teammate to make a suicidal "risky" attack cause I died to them and am burning. Just wait until they get out and waste some dark sight, or shoot a bit to scare the shit out of them, then go do the other bounty or even extract I'd there's nothing else to do and u know they're nolife enough to stay there 45min, and u know they will stay an extra 15min just cause u shot around them ;) I ain't wasting my time and good gear to camping losers.

[@Yasuakyy]

in the second clip, werent you the ones camping them? they had no chance going out so what were they supposed to do? fight in an disadvantage?

[@4FSGaming]

If you split up, bait, probe walls, then that's not exactly camping. It's about who is taking the initiative. They were actually at a disadvantage by staying inside which is why they got farmed, despite plenty of opportunities to use darksight to target on of us when we were isolated.

[@jasondp3546]

Game any good solo?

[@Schmibdo]

You know, there's a difference between camping in the boss lair and being suicidal. Especially in that clip at Cyprus. You and your mates were aiming at every single entrance/exit of the boss lair, what were they supposed to do? Just run out and die? Same thing at Scupper Lake. My mates and I had to experience the exact same thing there, and we didn't only have shotguns, but everytime we tried to peak just a little, there was a shot coming at us. We literally couldn't move out of the boss lair without dying. After 2 of us 3 had died (without being able to get revived because that would've just ended with another headshot), the last one alive from our team just ran out and died as soon as he even TRIED to get outside. He didn't even got to go outside, his corpse landed inside the lair again. There are some compounds in which you can easily get out of the boss lair, but Scupper (and Cyprus often as well) is certainly not one of them. Oh and I think it's kinda bullshit to say "If you have bounty, it's your job to get out". Of course they have to extract with it, but the other hunters have to get that bounty as well, so it's their duty to take them out. Why should the bounty carriers in the boss lair just run out and most likely die, just because otherwise they would be called "campers". Nah, dude, that's not how it works. If you want the bounty, it is your job to come and get it, it's not the job of the carriers to deliver you the bounty. But yeah, those guys at the beginning were definetely camping for you, fuck those guys.

[@4FSGaming]

One of the things I love about hunt is that there is a counter play for everything, if you gain an advantage in one respect, you also gain a vulnerability. We can fan out as a team and cover all exits to a lair, but in doing so make each individual member vulnerable to a push. The defending team can use DSB to detect who is isolated, and take them on in a 3v1 before we can even react properly. This is the main method I would use to fight out from a besieged boss lair.

[@Schmibdo]

​@@4FSGaming I get where you're coming from, I also thought about them just rushing as a team out of one exit at Cyprus, however that's not the point of my comment. What I really don't like about this video is, that you're accusing people of being campers, while you and your teammates are doing the exact same thing - just outside the walls. Fair enough, they could've escaped at Cyprus, but at Scupper Lake? Good look trying to run out of there with water being everywhere and of course hunters with rifles pointed at you. It also happens often, that the bounty carriers inside the boss lair are literally surrounded by every god damn team. Like you pick up the bounty, have a 360-view and oh, there's people everywhere. Not shooting at each other, all just aiming at the boss compound. Like hell I'm gonna go out there. I dislike campers just like you do, but you can't deny the fact that sometimes, no matter on which side of the wall you are, you just have to "camp". It's fucking lunatic to rush a team with all shotguns, while you're carrying rifles and it's just the same the other way around. I'm not criticising your gameplay, but these stupid accusations of people being campers when they just don't want to die instantly by stepping out of the lair. The real campers are the players who wait at extraction points or in boss lairs of an already killed boss (not banished)/in a house next to the boss lair, sitting somewhere in a dark corner, just waiting for someone to get it. There's a difference between being scared and being an asshole.

[@oslovan2284]

I love both rifles and shotguns. I almost exclusively get quartermaster ASAP so I can run a Specter/Rival/Romero + Obrez or Sparks/Lebel + either of the handcannons. That way I end up equipped for one situation very well and at least okay for the other. When me and my mates first started, we camped a lot, either inside or out but we grew out of that very quickly, its not a fun way to play tbh.

[@christranter9168]

The worst campers for me are, stumble on boss layer at spawn point. Kill boss silent move out of red marker range and wait. More often than not now on a dual boss map i find myself carrying a bounty to the 2nd layer for it to be camped in the strangest ways. The last one was the most creative and at least took skill. Docs was camped from Graves church tower with the other side of docs covered in razor wire so you had to enter graves side (until you knew it was clear) we walked round into a 201m headshot

[@4FSGaming]

That is creative, it's high risk high reward as well, because if they miss that one chance then you have easy access to the bounty and no way they can catch you.

[@SimpleAmadeus]

0:30 Call me blind but I don't see any hunters in that dark vision.

[@4FSGaming]

It's a tiny blip really, very far away.

[@009Kanishk]

"Extraction camping never pays" *le me who gets killed by extraction campers way too often*

[@riccardoalessandrodestefan7797]

Makes a video about campers - runs nitro + dolch LUL overall good team tactics!

[@fabiobalsamoYT]

i hate campers, but in this video all players are campers?ok for escape campers or boss liar campers(waitng for other players) but this game isn't just rush...if i take a bounty and there are 1 or 2 team near, defend is a good choise...if you go out with enemies all around it's a foolish decision, better defend

[@4FSGaming]

For sure, but when there is one team left you need to take the initiative and push them, because time is not on your side, good players will probe and bait and find the cracks in the compound's defenses

[@Kenturrac]

Why are there so many strange visual artefacts in the last videos? Like a sharpening filter or so. Are you guys using Nvidia Game Filters to get a visual advantage over other players?

[@4FSGaming]

I use Nvidia sharpening filter because I find the game looks muddy otherwise. I don't use brightening filters at the moment due to mainly playing at night where no light comes into my window, but I will defend the use of such filters for other players. They are an important accessibility tool as different monitors have different settings, rooms have different levels of light, and some people have poor dark vision to the point where night maps world be unplayable without filters. I know it's controversial and a lot of players dislike It, but I'm going to stick to my guns and day darkness as a game mechanic has no place in a PvP shooter.

[@seanpurdy8230]

People play how they want to.

[@4FSGaming]

Of course they can, but passive play will always have you on the back foot.

[@markyelwell995]

@@4FSGaming then don't complain about it.since if they are on the "backfoot" then u should win hey?

[@4FSGaming]

@@markyelwell995 I'm not complaining, I'm sharing some experiences I've had with campers, and positive ones too!

[@niksonrex88]

@@4FSGaming I still don't get what's wrong with setting up yourself with an advantage. If they are passive and literally not moving, waiting and looking at 1 door then just wreck em. There's a difference between a good camper and a bad camper. Like I said use your advantage.

[@zoncrypto]

And a killer in real life can kill because he wants to.. what does your point even means? Only campers will keep playing this stupid game, that is why it is dying!

[@AndreLuiz-sr1ro]

I don't get this at all. Saying "if you have the bounty it's your job to get out" well, yeah, but I want to get out alive? If I go for the boss with a shotgun and get trapped inside by players using rifles, why would I go outside? Sure, I can outmanouver them but if they're good players that know rifles well, that ain't gonna happen, so all that's left is for me to stand still and pray that I don't get wallbanged while waiting for the enemy mistake or over-agression, yet somewhow I'm still the camper. People also seem to get salty about concertinas, which are only good against bad players or uncoordinated teams, using them gives me the advantage so why would I not use them

[@4FSGaming]

Using concertinas doesn't really provide an advantage, because it means you are down a frag bomb, which is by no small margin the most useful consumable aside from vit shots. Frags are just so good in the current build anything that is not a frag is a big step down. As for the camping, you can camp outside, inside, in a bush, at extract. It doesn't matter where you are, if you are not doing anything then that's camping. If you are baiting, probing etc, then you have the initiative and hence the advantage. It's fine to defend a building with a shotgun, but you have to be ready to take your opportunities when the enemy gets close. Only inexperienced players are going to get impatient and walk in the front door.

[@AndreLuiz-sr1ro]

@@4FSGaming What you said is objectively wrong. Hunt is a game where anything can work and concertinas are not different, it funnels enemies, it restricts movement of players making them go where you want. They can circumvent this by burning an explosive or multiple ones to get rid of the concertina, which already pays off itself if that happens, or they need to take time to break it down, which usually doesn't happen because it leaves you exposed. There are also trip mines, which are not consumables so your point is not valid to them. Although I agree that Frag bombs are by no slight margin the best consumables, I disagree with the second one, being the hellfire bomb and not the vit shot. Hellfire is even more usefull than Frag bomb a lot of the time since it has no fuse time, deals 100 damage and burns them, which is nothing short of absurd for such a cheap item that is so quick to use. Saying concertinas are not worth is straight up wrong. Also, by saying that if you don't use frag bombs you're at a disadvantage you're expecting everyone to run it, which is not the case at all and you're also disregarding multiple scenarios in which they, like any explosive consumable and concertinas, are useless, like long range fights or when someone rushes you.

[@captin-crane3324]

Idk if I’m a concertina camper but I don’t like people coming behind me with a shotgun when I’m fighting boss. Once I’m sure I’m clear I break for ex... or the gauntlet

[@pheroe5303]

I’ve never had a FPS grip me like this game has, loving the tips broseph! Might hunt with you one day my OCE friend!

[@Bulkvar]

You can't expect people to push out with their Romero when there is a Nitro waiting outside in the darkness. Nice video though :D

[@4FSGaming]

That's why you don't let them know you have a nitro ;P

[@markyelwell995]

@@4FSGaming not sure which is more scummy, the guys camping boss lair or the dolch nitro guy outside with his team taunting the campers.

[@RA-pe2qj]

How dare you! I'm reporting you to The Church of Our Lord and Saviour The Romero! Top tier weapon mate.

[@RA-pe2qj]

@@markyelwell995 Fairly mild taunts mate, I don't think they were very toxic at all.

[@andrewpotamitis8725]

@Marky Elwell. I think you missed a point on the cypress huts clip. They didn’t have shotguns inside that lair. The first guy to die in lair has a sparks LLR. With that kind of weapon why play indoors when you can chill on roof spot the bounty holding team approaching and take shots at them before the nitro can get anywhere near you..... side note the other players inside had rifles as well if you listen to the shots from the clip that’s why when ascendance hears a shotgun he immediately asks who is using it and it was his teammate pushing into the lair to fight rifles because in close range a shotgun will beat a rifle almost every single time.

[@mixturedre6869]

You say these people are camping yet you are also camping them. You can just leave you know but instead you choose to camp them forcing them into a situation to camp hmm.

[@trainwreck6791]

I've only ever exit camped twice, and its only worked once. The first fail was the knifes back swing vs the cavalry sabers swing speed

[@filomenaa]

Camping pays off though, that's why so many people do it

[@jessekeys5655]

Not really something to shame people for either

[@4FSGaming]

Passively camping isn't really effective at all, you're just giving the enemy all the prep time they need to find the cracks in your defences and pick you off. Setting ambushes, baiting, holding a lair while you get darksight are all effective, but I don't consider any of that camping.

[@TheEveryDayC]

my boys and i are generally concertina campers, though we don't use it to just keep away from any possible fights, we more just use it to block off hard to defend entry ways, force enemies to burn consumables to be able to get in, force enemies to become over-confident, to think they can safely peek wall cracks, or to expose themselves to wall cracks in the process of trying to get in. we use it as a tool to bring an advantage in supplies and make enemies get sloppy and punish them via wall bangs, peeks and creating fatal funnels. we do not fear a fight, but to leave before killing does usually cripple you if you've got shit running jump aim

[@studionomad6206]

being as im new i dont always push the lair in time and usually end up catching the teams by extraction. I run solo so if they get salty its on them imo

[@4FSGaming]

When you're solo you need to be extra cagey, but intercepting the extraction is fine! People that sit by it all match seem to be the easy targets.

[@benrubin742]

I was playing quick play and the well up upstairs in a building. There was someone camping it with concertina wire on entrances and a shotgun in the corner

[@Zero8764]

i've had to stay in a boss lair due to having at least 2-3 teams sitting outside waiting for me and my team to make a move. then it drags into an overdrawn siege no one wants cause no one wants to engage.

[@knechtor5648]

the only camping that annoys me is if a team pins you down and then they just sit there not even trying to advance or push, it turns into this situation where I know if I move I die but my only other choice is waiting 30 minutes for the timer to run out to spite them or they become impatient and actually kill you in a fight or die. like if they pin me down in a bad position and then push, even if they take a couple minutes to gather their confidence or something good on them, i can live with that. but just waiting there until someone, usually me since i know i won't get out, gets bored and decides he would rather actually play the game is such a waste of time.

[@Robert-du8yp]

pretty sure a shotgun camper is just a player using a gun with a max effective range of 15m and the possibility of a Uppercut sidearm just for a chance at competing with ALL other long ammo guns. its not fun to play against but it works and that's the Law of the Bayou.

[@Robert-du8yp]

just a note: my fav loadout is romero hand cannon and dual officers so i know at what range i want to take my fights or reposition

[@crazymansage9074]

Was just looking for a new video to watch. Thanks mate

[@4FSGaming]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@crazymansage9074]

@@4FSGaming I did actually! I got to learn some new shooting spots which is always nice.

[@blame7121]

3rd game they almost had you, though. If the lance guy hadn't missed you with his pistol shot when you threw the bomb, it would of been game over for you, and they extracting safely with their reward.

[@4FSGaming]

They could have had me, but their own defenses made a flank impossible, I could hold that one corridor basically by myself. If one was able to get outside and behind me it would be game over.

[@blame7121]

@@4FSGaming goes both ways. Their defenses prevented you from flanking them, too. Poison and fire separating you from your ally so you had to circle around. They set the battlefield into their terms, and had you struggle your way in just like they wanted you to, so the fight played their way. Unfortunately for them you were the better shot, and where they missed their shots cost them the game.

[@greencupofdeath]

Perspective homie. Plenty of instances in this video where you guys were camping too

[@EvilTurnip]

If a person is the one with the bounty and they aren't moving, they are the one that's camping and stalling the game. The game mechanics are so that you are suppose to extract with the bounty, and not sit in a building with various traps like a pussy. That's why the devs added the extra time bonus in an attempt to keep the gameplay flowing. "Extract" camping is easily diffused by strategic use of enhanced dark vision.

[@4FSGaming]

If you have bounty, it's your job to get out. The team that probes, moves, and generates action is not camping, and most of the time they will win because of it.

[@blame7121]

@@EvilTurnip "You're not supposed to sit in with traps" THEN WHY DO TRAPS EXIST? You trap the place. You throw poison bombs. You fortify yourself at an advantageous position. The time bonus is only as an incentive and reward for those that manage to extract fast, but when you got 3 guys sitting outside with their rifles aiming at every door/window, then how are you going to step a foot outside without getting lead in your head?

[@EvilTurnip]

@@blame7121 seriously, if you are so scared to go out and get into a firefight (to the me, firefights are what make this game fun), then don't even bother killing and banishing the boss... I've always viewed traps as something to protect you while you are busy killing the boss. Once you banish and pick up the bounty, the game changes from hunting the bounty to extracting with your reward. The game shouldn't turn into people sitting in a building for 40 mins because they are so afraid of taking on a fight when you have to make it to an extract eventually. Now, if you are outnumbered, I can't blame you for staying inside, but most of the time it's a full team camping and it just makes the game boring.

[@blame7121]

@@EvilTurnip if you're sitting outside for 40 minutes waiting for the bounty carriers to step outside, isn't that you to blame? Either way one has to step into the other's territory, putting themselves at a disadvantage. Staying at your defensive position (inside or outside the compound) usually works because most players are impatient and they will come to you. Sure if you're a god tier player with 4KD and lazer aim it won't matter much, but again most people aren't that, so they gotta pull strengths from other tactics. Also who puts traps before/while killing the boss? Usually it goes as get to compound, check of anyone is there, and kill the boss as fast as possible.

[@Bigstanky757]

So when I get a bounty I like to sit in the lair for a bit if there is enemy's around and Ingage the enemy's outside while I'm inside but will leave if it's clear does that make me a boss camper?

[@jessekeys5655]

No, and camping in this game shouldn’t be something to shame people about it’s just how hunt is, so play how you want bud

[@Bigstanky757]

@@jessekeys5655 we need more gamers like you

[@4FSGaming]

Not at all, that's just defending from a fortified position. Camping is a passive play style, so you wouldn't engage the enemy at all unless they walked inside.

[@Bigstanky757]

@@4FSGaming ok cool that's what I thought

[@qianlimprice930]

Do you play on 1440p or 1080p?

[@ToxicPancake88]

Me and my regular partner have been playing against trios as a duo and I can say it’s really easy to pick everyone off when they just camp a boss lair even when the numbers are in their favour.

[@clockworkcadaver]

I remember before clues used to glow, me and my buddy would camp the boss clue with avtomats before we prestiged

[@serenitycovington544]

The thing is if you start blindly rushing forward in this game. Chances are you are going to die. This game rewards methodical tactics as opposed to running straight to the enemy. Take the concertina camper fight. Forcing the enemy into a choke point is a smart move. There were also a lot of trades and you could see from that one guy that constantly peeked getting destroyed. One tapped by the Lebel. He was trying to gain ground and was getting stomped. Also if you even have one bar of health missing you run the risk of being one tapped making rushing even more dangerous and not worth it.

[@Dommomos]

v nice. was waiting for a couple of names in particular to come up under the 'shotgun campers' section but alas, the bounty had already been picked up.

[@Manglet762]

"Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam is playing Hunt Showdown" Let's hope he doesn't affect the game design.

[@markyelwell995]

yea but, if u ask psychoghost he woulda laffed at u for using a nitro. Who makes all these etiquette rules up for hunt showdown anyways?

[@4FSGaming]

It's not about ettiqute, it's about effectiveness. Passive puts you at a disadvantage.

[@beargillesgaming]

People have their own play style in this game. I play with a group where our sole objective is to eliminate the opposition. Bounties are an afterthought. Really enjoying your videos you can really tell the effort that’s put into them.

[@tugbandi]

And what do you call trios who go in full tryhard with Nitro Express rifles and Dolches?

[@4FSGaming]

I call it my 12%, in honour of the 12 ranks I get to use that beautiful rifle.

[@railbaron1]

I'll admit I've Exfil Camped, but I work for it because the bounty is dropped in the first 10 of the round or I original planned to Exfil and got lucky, I even pulled it of being late. I finding someplace where I can easy see it and still be hidden, wait till they start the time, then drop them. That way does pay so long as your using long rifles. The only time it didn't work is because I had a shotgun and rushed in.

[@lirnukring650]

Boss lair camper team is urs tho, if they have 3 shotguns, how do they supposed fight u outside?

[@JmannXIII43]

I think this can swing both ways honestly, and depends on circumstance. If you defeat a boss and loot bounty and see that you are clear to move, then do it. But if you dark sight and see that you're surrounded by another team that has stealthed their way to your position, then as the team with bounty, its more often than not harder for you to push out and not die. I've had this be the case multiple times in a game, and my squad and I hunker down and try to get them to get antsy and make mistakes by opening and closing doors, making other noise, and getting them to try and push in to a fortified, disadvantageous situation for them. Sure, you always run the risk of getting metric fuckloads of explosives thrown in at you, which sucks, but I guess it all depends on the compound, and the circumstance.

[@4FSGaming]

Yeah, everything is based on circumstance in Hunt, some compounds locking it down can actually work, like Chapel, but most of the time playing super passively will get you farmed, there always needs to be some kind of plan b if the attackers don't ever come walking in.

[@douwedetmar6927]

I mean complaining about a boss lair camper when u play nitro dolch is kind of hypocrite 😂

[@4FSGaming]

I'm not here to complain about campers, I'm here to show my viewers clips in which they are likely to learn things. In this case, how not to hold a boss lair.

[@douwedetmar6927]

4FS Gaming ah oke my bad.. it kind of seemed like video complaining about campers 😅

[@4FSGaming]

@@douwedetmar6927 probably needs some commentary to clear things up. I enjoy fights where people camp in buildings because it's a fun little puzzle to crack their defences.

[@tramrant]

C'mon man) everyone has their definition of 'camping' and even by their own definitions are biased to call their own actions as 'probing', 'baiting', 'defending', 'trapping', 'holding position' etc., while calling enemies actions 'camping', even if they're doing basically the same thing, there's no need to bitch about it. This game has 'camping' in it's core by design, with so many sound clues and places to hide, you practically have to 'camp' and listen to figure out enemies positions and catch them unaware, unless you want to be a 'victim' and got caught by 'campers' yourself, or have god tier reaction speed and aim against them.

[@krakenmckraken9128]

As a joke run, I went in with literally nothing but a knife. Camped the boss lair until I could shank one. He got revived, called me cancer, then bailed to the other boss instead of killing me... People get butthurt because they died due to their own recklessness once and never let it go.

[@CtmGaming13]

So I have an issue with your shotgun camper bit. Manly the definition you made. You mention they only use a shotgun and due to to this is difficult to leave the boss site. So with that said it seems like less of shotgun camping and more of someone who is pinned. It would be pointless for that “shotgun” camper to charge the rifle people as they would be gunned down. I too would wait for you to get to my range in that case as would you.

[@4FSGaming]

This is the issue with taking a full team of shotguns I suppose, but these guys didn't even push my mate when he was meters from the boss lair.

[@Keilee-r1t]

What I hate the most is the players that wont push when they have the advantage or do anything really. One game my partner went down, and I couldn't pick them up easily what did the guys that outnumbered me and had all the healing supplies since they didn't engage anyone else during the match do? They watched the body from the same angles for 20 minutes. Didn't push, didn't flank, just sat 140 meters and watched my partners corpse until the timer ran out.

[@luismariaberger5055]

Just out of curiosity, why does your gameplay footage always look very "grainy" ? Not that it negates the entertainment or educational value of the video...just curious :)

[@4FSGaming]

Sharpness filter, I reckon the game looks a bit muddy without it.

[@vorbo01]

@@4FSGaming sharpness filter that you use while you play or for the footage?

[@SlyJohn]

hahahaha. nice job kd farming that guy at Cyprus huts. Well done mate

[@sirisaacnewt171]

Not gonna lie, if I solo Q against duo's, and ESPECIALLY trios, I bring concertina traps and at least 1 concertina grenade.

[@XAX-v]

You made a lot of campers angry with this one

[@Liquidgerbage]

didn't see a blip at all at his initial scan at 00:30-00:35...

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Ran in to players camping in the bushes in trios, dropped one of us then we kill them quick, and another team showed up and we killed them too lol

[@vvswordfishvvv3082]

It actually does but these guys were amateurs

[@Xx_Tim_zZ]

It is annoying when they’ve placed traps for other hunters or the boss fight in progress and you set them off

[@cyrilarabatzis461]

Damn you're such a pro killing those campers. I'm sure your every match goes just like this, meaning camping definitely doesn't pay. 😉

[@4FSGaming]

Pretty much, I die a lot in hunt but very rarely to players hiding in boss lairs, probably because they refuse to try and actually shoot me. (Except the guys under church, They were okay.)

[@vvswordfishvvv3082]

Extraction camping done correctly should be called "Sparks fishing"

[@vvswordfishvvv3082]

"Trenching" is the correct word for Concertina camping

[@joshstraver1242]

If it weren't for these campers we wouldn't have sick gameplay of you infiltrating a concertina web ;)

[@dragonxl2824]

Pretty sure if they tried to push out of the boss lair a guy with a nitro and dolch would still prove to be a problem, also apparently camping people who are in the boss lair does work XD

[@TheRottenHand.]

At the minute 14:53 if you change the video speed to x0.25 you'll see a fly roaming on the rifle. I love your content tho. Keep it up. Cheers.

[@L1mp1nB1zk1t]

Campers never improve because they never try. That is the case for every game, and thus they are bad at every game they play that they camp at. I die often between solo and teams because I will play aggressively or try something unorthodox, but it’s better than sitting in a corner all game waiting.

[@donotcare330]

generally i CAMP because of trash like this that somehow seams to be able to hit everyone through walls without seeing them. If I pick someone off at the less second when they are at the extraction boat, and they choke on a concertina wire mine, I scoop the bounty and leave. All the better.

[@GnFNobleWolf]

literally just died to these kinds of tactics Haha. We still extracted with both bounties so they waited all game for nothing

[@morganj.foster835]

idk..it is the west, and they had highway men back then.

[@enlightenednomad8807]

I use razer bombs as grenades I can't tell you how many times they saved me in so many situations I usually play solo but I set traps like im in home alone with my exit strategy in place ill leave the bounty so I have element of surprise if I'm heavily outnumbered standard conversion with dum dums and fanning is sooooo good in close quarters ven rifle for long epic combo

[@ismaelzaragoza3574]

These tactics can work they were just poorly executed by the other teams, great vid

[@poorsolutions4907]

I rather intercept you rather than wait, because it allows for more fluid rotations

[@soulofcinder2007]

Lmao all the campers trying to defend their irritating play style down here. Sure, you can play the game the way you want and sometimes your forced too camp, but that doesn’t mean it’s not shitty. I feel like people don’t push enough and it just ends up being a waiting game until I push or flank somehow

[@robertharris6092]

Most of the time its cause people are camping outside of the boss lairs.

[@ericritchings8739]

Great vid. Only complaint is you need to up the brightness of the video when you're in dark places. Couldn't see shit

[@4FSGaming]

I'm working on a new adobe filter for interiors on day maps.

[@paulspruijt2097]

Talking tough with a nitro 🤣🤣.

[@lafandio8954]

It is very effective in certain locations though

[@ectheleon11]

Technically you guys are the campers... you're sitting outside guns pointed in wanting them to rush out to meet you... if this were castle you would be the seige'ing or camping army... They would be the defensive force using their advantages (traps,layout etc) to their advantage... Also it looked like they were equipped for close up fighting and you guys werent... So its more you're just calling people campers cause they don't rush out into sniper fire with shotguns Everyone has their own playstyle, you dislike the campers then YOU put on YOUR big boy pants and push into the nest to get them.... Stop shitting on them for making THEM put on their big boy pants to rush out to meet you, when YOUR the camper actually.

[@ectheleon11]

you're also using the Nitro... i mean... lol... cmon... that thing is a one shot to the body at any range you're actually gonna hit something... and you're using it like a ranged doublebarrell.... jesus christ man.... lol.

[@4FSGaming]

This video isn't about me disliking campers. It's about showing people why a passive playstyle puts you on the back foot, and sets you up to be farmed. It highlights the pitfalls associated with camping. I like fighting campers, it's a change of pace from the usual sweatfest, and it is kind of like cracking a puzzle trying to needle away at the defenses. As for the nitro, well it's my guilty pleasure for those 12 levels I get to use it each prestige, so no apologies there.

[@ectheleon11]

@@4FSGaming Granted but you always come at it as a negative, when you're literally forcing the hand... did you want them to burst out into lines of fire? Anytime that happens to criminals caught in a gunfight the cops typically win... You should be familliar with one of the only times they ever busted out on the cops and had actual metal armor suits they had made... they STILL died.... lol When a team rolls up on me at a boss lair, and i have advantae of weapons and traps etc... im not gonna push out into getting gunned down, why fight the fight onYOUR terms, you fight the fight on MY terms... Stop shitting on tactical gameplay, like I said people play differently, and in all fairness. YOU all are the campers... not them... they are holed up trying to get to the extract but can't cause theres someone with guns pointed on the exits...

[@4FSGaming]

You'd be right if we were sitting 100m away with long ammo, you certainly don't need a lair to camp in. It's about who has the initiative, and if your only plan is to pray the enemy gets impatient and walks in then you have lost the initiative. Meanwhile the attacking team takes the advantage as they probe, throw grenades, etc. There are plenty of ways to defend a boss lair well that I wouldn't call camping. One of our favorites is to place down a few traps and defenses, and wait as the attackers inevitably fan out around the compound to start probing. Then you confirm an isolated target with DSB, and rush them with your CQC weapons while they are alone. For those longer range campers covering your exits, they will always have to leave one side open, or they will be really spread out and make it easy for you to rush and pick one off. So often we will run (it's even better if you can bait a run towards extract), then as they start to give chase take up a defensive positions and turn to fight when they are out of position/cover.

[@kiok22anthonydavis37]

Love the gameplay but you should look into a night filter so that you can see what's happening in dark rooms... Only for the recording of course.

[@kinggator3375]

Ps4 players only do this. You approach a boss lair 98% they will be inside and will not ever leave while it's flashing red.

[@HazmatFTW]

A Dolch AND a Nitro Express? What are you made of gold or something? lol

[@lincoln43267]

uh if you go take out a boss and are at the boss lair you arent really camping... maybe if you sit at the boss lair aiming at a exit point or aiming over a downed player with a nitro you could consider that camping... but i couldnt be bothered watching after the 3rd one as the poor guys have gone to the boss taken it out picked up bounties and even just go to exit just to be taken out by exit campers and you're trying to mock them by labeling them as the campers theres nothing stopping you from breaching the boss lair during the banishing or after but for them they look like there waited out the banishing and used darksight to see they are being camped.

[@4FSGaming]

I'm not mocking anyone for camping, I'm highlighting how passive play is ineffective.