Hunting for Sun Lore

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[@echofiend3722]

FARUM AZULA SATELLITE THEORY! WHAT IF Farum Azula follows the Sun in an orbit around the planet? would be pretty cool and explain the unchanging skybox. Personally I think F.Azula is the Sun Realm city from the shield picture, but we cant see it because its crumbled.

[@DanielGarcia-rx3kt]

A potentially interesting connection is what you can speculate happened at the Isolated Divine Tower. You can see that it's the only tower that has damaged pillars on the summit. And if you trace that damage you see it forms a straight line from Farum Azula, through the Isolated Tower, and to the Sun. I actually think a meteor was shot from the Sun, flew through the pillars on the summit of the Divine Tower, and landed at the base of modern day Farum Azula.

[@cwill14]

Maybe the impaled man people think is Marika's dad was a sacrifice to grow the Erdtree properly, it had to grow through him for some reason. Maybe she didn't want to but Messmer did, just guessing.

[@twodumbgamers9285]

Could be that little imp guy with the flowers growing out of his head

[@WHALEBOY777]

If the sun is a star then it could be assumed that it's a giant glintstone, and if the moon is a portal to another world which seems to be the case in Ranni's ending, then is it possible that an eclipse would power a portal strong enough to retrieve Godwyn's soul from wherever it disappeared to? 🤔

[@teddyhh9947]

Personally i think Miquella meant to reignite Godwyn with the power of the old sun. What Ranni did to him essentially snuffed out his flame, so he needs to be reignited. Ofc Godwyns flame was not a literal flame, more akin to fusion or perhaps an electrical process, but he could probably be reignited by the same type of divine spark that once burned strong within him.

[@WHALEBOY777]

@@teddyhh9947 I guess that theory would depend on Miquella not believing Godwyn's soul is tied to his identity, because if he just starts him up with energy and not his actual soul, that's like the plot of frankenstein. It's also not clear how much Miquella knows about Ranni still being alive, and if he knows the "nature of souls" and stuff like that but I would assume he does since he excelled in healing magic thanks to his work with Malenia.

[@teddyhh9947]

@@WHALEBOY777 i dont think a reignition would restore Godwyn. Rather i imagine it would properly burn out his body and after a period of true death his essence would be suffiently rested to ressurect in some form. In my opinion the soul recharges itself in the underworld after death, akin to sleeping. Once suffiently recharged it will take on a new form and once again live. Since Godwyn is currently not truly dead he is denied access to the underworld, therefore being unable to recharge. Used to be a punishment for heinous crimes was to prevent the criminals body from decomposing so that they would be unable to move on as a certain degree of bodily decomposition is required to move to the underworld. This is why hung people are occasionally found in marshes, since it preserves the body and prevents them from moving on. Godwyns body is functionally a living corpse that prevents him from moving on. The egyptians had a similar functional understanding and also found bodily preservation important, though they thought it was a good thing. Hence why pharaos are mummified.

[@teddyhh9947]

@WHALEBOY777 i think the point is to reignite his body so it burns out and his soul is allowed to move on. I dont think a reignition would resurrect him. When Godwyns body is gone he will have achieved a true death and his soul would be allowed to move on. A certain degree of decomposition is required to move on, and Godwyns body is essentially a living corpse that prevents him access to the underworld where he could properly recharge his soul.

[@godly_potatoe69xd19]

As a star with fate, the stars being locked could have also interfered with the fate of the eclipse and that’s why radahn needs to be killed by Melenia.

[@Pneubeteube]

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[@aX0n777]

thanks

[@likeasonntagmorgen]

The “Sun” could be an amber hued star, as opposed to a pale blue one (Starlight Shard). Amber Starlight: “If the stars command our fates, then amber-hued stars must command the fates of the gods. Such is the belief that inspired the use of these shards to prepare a most special draught.” I also wonder if this might not refer to the Sun then perhaps it’s a planet like Venus aka the Morning Star?

[@hellogoodbye3786]

I had a sudden thought, and since I'm not very good with all the lore stuff - though I've always been am admirer of it - I thought I'd toss something and see if any one can make something out of it. The thought builds off of another someone wondered if The Greater will is The Sun or that The Sun is the Star that was sent by The Greater Will that also had The Elden Beast. On the former, The head piece Nox Mirrorhelm wards intervention of The Greater Will and its vassal Fingers. Since the helm is made of glass, it also reflects light. I couldn't help but notice the parallel.

[@godly_potatoe69xd19]

I mean that would place ut above all the other stars, which the greater will basically is as being the strongest out of the “outer gods” and other entities on that level

[@alephnole7009]

In regards to the whole Healing flasks & albinauric thing. I think it's interesting to note that the mask also effects healing. And the description says: "a far cry from god skin." And the Japanese text says: "it's not a god skin." It's also worth noting that most serpent weapons have life steal abilities. and there are godskin in volcano Manor where we see the winged serpent statues.

[@alephnole7009]

There's more to this connection that I realized after posting this. The albinaurics can't walk, their legs always together like one appendage. almost like they're degenerating into snakes. It's very interesting that we find Albinaurics, man serpents & godskin all in volcano Manor. The albinaurics are described as being all born of a single mother. Rya drops: DAEDICAR'S WOE. "It is said that this woman, named Daedicar, indulged in every form of adultery and wicked pleasure imaginable, giving birth to a myriad of grotesque children." Rya, Latenna the albinauric woman, And the god skin all have very similar facial features.

[@hellogoodbye3786]

There's something significant about depicting a half eclipse... Godwyn and Ranni, they have the half mark of the centipede, but, as it states in the cursemark of Death, it was supposed to be a full circle. It was supposed to be a full circle... but instead only half of it was carved. Only half of it... one half kept the body alive... the other half kept the soul alive... an eclipse is made up of two components; the Sun and the Moon. The Moon covers the sun, but the question is which Moon is doing the covering? Edit: a few more thoughts: The moon of Nokstella talisman depicts the lost black moon... Perhaps it is not the moon that is lost but rather the people... i think the nox used to live above ground, then they were banished under by GW... I think... it's a tangent anways. Assuming it is this black moon that covers the sun... the sun gives light, the sun can be thought to give life. The moon reflects light, reflects life... a black moon... Black represents death, a black moon wouldn't reflects, it would absorb... absorb light... absorb life... the sun eclipsed by the black moon holds destined death at bay, granting life in death... creating those who live in death.... The Nox wanted a lord of night, maybe they were successful, maybe they created Ensha... but the GW discovered the plot....

[@gwynbleidd1917]

That's a hell of a lot of speculation

[@hellogoodbye3786]

@@gwynbleidd1917 It is! 😁 It's my favorite thing to do, and I have a lot more cooking now with what I've seen in the DLC, though I'd rather refrain from that at the moment since I'm not finished with it, and to spare you the torment!

[@gwynbleidd1917]

@@hellogoodbye3786 enjoy the dlc! It's amazing

[@monsterstoner]

Love your content fam cant wait to see what you say about the dlc lore when it comes out

[@KurwaRomek]

TLDR: "This creates a lot more questions than it provides answers"

[@SirSaladAss]

​@@KurwaRomekNahh, despite all the memes all of the DLCs have been great at answering questions, so I'm optimistic we'll get most of what we want by June.

[@Odin_Oracle]

@@SirSaladAss I wouldn’t be so sure. Any good provocative story would prefer to leave on cliffhangers, so it’s dangerous to assume “Most” things will have answers in a Fromsoft game. But I agree, Shadow of the Erdtree will possibly answer questions to a similar degree to their previous DLCs like Artorias and Old Hunters (as suggested by Miyazaki in recent Chinese interview). I also think that the whole “we’ll get more questions than answers” meme really only ever worked for the Ringed City DLC for DS3. I never really understood the meme in context with the others😂

[@SirSaladAss]

@@Odin_Oracle Funny, I thought that The Ringed City was the clearest of them all, The Old Hunters being the most neubulous. But this time we'll get the Japanese translations in real time, so there won't be any misconceptions like with previous games (DS1 in English is chock-full of them). I'm still positive about the DLC answering most stuff. And if it doesn't... well, then Elden Ring 2 will 🤫

[@Odin_Oracle]

@@SirSaladAss you are completely correct. I apologise because I think you may’ve misinterpreted my comment due to my lack of formal ability to convey my points. But I whole heartedly agree with you.

[@godly_potatoe69xd19]

What I don’t understand is if the erdtree was burned so long ago, why did its inhabitants just leave the ash? I feel like if it was long ago (since it’s not directly mentioned) it would have been cleaned up by now. It’s the same thing with gransax where he’s just sitting in the middle of the city where he destroyed some of the buildings but none of it has been even attempted to be fixed even though the dragon war is supposed to be way before the shattering. Edit: also it seems there’s some kind of entity or power with the moon, so if the fell god is the entity in the sun, it would make sense that he would basically be unimportant and defeated in comparison to the erdtree while appearing as the sun. And adan, the thief of fire, stole fire from the giants and the fire he stole looks like the sun, so that might literally be saying the fell god and flame of ruin come from the sun.

[@andyghkfilm2287]

Act of faith. The erdtree is still there, see? As for Gransax I always just thought it was a trophy, or that they lacked the means to actually move the thing without destroying much of the city in the effort.

[@godly_potatoe69xd19]

@@andyghkfilm2287 I mean ig but it’s actually kinda insane when there’s ash up to your ankles in some parts of the city and they didn’t do anything abt it, and I could see gransax being a trophy it’s just kinda weird they didn’t even try to repair the buildings near him, they’re all still broken from when he attacked which was a looong time ago

[@andyghkfilm2287]

@@godly_potatoe69xd19 I get the sense that Leyndell’s citizenry is really like “bah who caaaares, I wanna get back to my PERFUMES!” about stuff like that, and maybe that in the present time Morgott is too preoccupied with the Erdtree’s refusal of passage to the Elden Ring/the Tarnished’s efforts in general. And also that there was just SO MUCH ash, that it’s lingered since forever. I like to imagine they have tried to de-ash the city but that it just never took because there’s so much ash just around from the first time the tree was burned, when you clear a corner by kicking the ash into the air it just settles somewhere else in the city or more ash from on the wind settles there, for ages and ages

[@godly_potatoe69xd19]

@@andyghkfilm2287 yeah that’s reasonable

[@nunyabidnis3815]

1:58:48 Just realizing the Fell god imprints faces on the giants like that running joke with Aphex Twin. RIP The Age of Windowlickers.

[@cornthdl]

Perhaps Melina needed us because she is the kindling, and we are the flame. Our flame…of ambition. We have the ambition strong enough to become Elden Lord. Stronger than the Demi-gods even.

[@tetrahedron9196]

3:32 It is a depiction of the ring becoming completely corrupt and defiled, only able to grow inwards back and onto itself. It is to say there is no escape from entropy and fundamentalism and order in life are entirely replaced with whatever it is the horns of the omen represent. Oh... it's meaning is to be removed entirely from the supernatural, of life and death beyond and the curse which is also now the only form of blessing or grace is those powers granted to us corporeally.

[@obviousalias132]

A possible IRL mythic analogue to the Erdtree replacing the Sun could be what is theorized to have happened between Tyr and Odin, not in mythology but actual Germanic culture.

[@jtillman8251]

The figure on the medallion is giving me baroque painting of the archangel michael vibes.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

The tree growing out of the Imp's head reminds od the Farum Azula floral burst or tree mural that you see most often on the fallen ruins strewn about the Lands Between from Farum Azula

[@friendalex7384]

It took me a lit longer than I'd like to admit to realize that in a game where so much text is spent on rhe stuff going on in the sky, that references to the sun are conspicuously absent, relatively speaking. For a long time I thought there was no sun at all. Especially in the context of From's other soulslike titles, this sun stuff has to be intentional, surely it will have some presence in the dlc (fingers crossed). I do like the idea that the seat of the sun or the sun realm or whatever became the shadow lands, there's a Fromesque poetry to that idea that seems too good to resist. Also, do we think the guy in the tree altars in Altus look a bit like the guy in the trailer (the "Marika's dad" guy that is being impaled)

[@tetrahedron9196]

3:27. It replaces life (coming up from the crucible) with a cycle of death. It's in the name of the endings The age of the Duskborn or those born in death.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

The bit where you were talking about the Farum Azula Elden Ring being below the current one the audio cut out

[@swordam1063]

Looks very interesting I wonder lots about the 'Sun realm' (shadowlands before marika conquering?) and sun worshipping society but im busy with exams no way i can spend 4 hrs watching youtube rn i will save for later😭

[@micb1232]

Maybe the sun realm will be a separate dlc.

[@godly_potatoe69xd19]

as a comment u missed said "The thing about the ending is marikas body blocks being able to see the top of the elden ring we are meant to assum that she is the top piece like we see in the box cover." also the rune of death looks like the opposite of that top part, so it could be fair to assum e that is the rune of life and that she is that top arc for the ring (which we know probably still exists from cut content and it making sense as life is also a universal concept, same as death.

[@teddyhh9947]

Damn, missed a very interesting discussion.. I think in Elden Ring Godwyn was meant to become the new Sun as he is equated to Baldr in Norse Mythos. And Baldr is meant to become the new sun, but at some point he dies due to Loke's trickery. His role is therefore postponed to after his resurrection, which will only happen after Ragnarok if i remember correctly. Maybe Ranni even killed Godwyn not for personal reasons but as a struggle between who is brighter between the sun and the moon. In Mythos the sun is periodically replaced by a new solar deity, as the sun must be replaced occasionally to remain strong. IRL Saturn may be a previous and now dead/snuffed out sun as the atomic composition is basically the same as our current sun and saturn is often regarded as the sun in ancient mythology. Although Saturn may have been a god of life as a living sun at some point, he is now in mythology regarded as a god of death since he himself belongs to the dead now. Very much mirroring what happened to Godwyn, as Godwyn too was once a god of life and gold but is now a black god of death.

[@teddyhh9947]

The egyptians too realized that one day the new solar deity Horus would replace Ra and a new religion would be formed around this new celestial order. Personally i believe the new religion that arose due to the new hierartical order was christianity, with Horus becoming Jesus and Jesus as the new Sun/son of Allfather. The bible is known to have many hidden meanings and one of those are interpreted to be astronomical. Although our current sun may or may not be very healthy at the moment I think eventually we will need a new sun, and a new change in religion will occur. I also believe we have older forgotten suns than our current Sun (and Saturn if it was once was a sun)

[@nbmoleminer5051]

I think what you thought was wings on the medallion was just a cape

[@qrexpand6775]

where did you find the 1.0 vs 1.03 text comparison?

[@twodumbgamers9285]

The concepts that are rarely talked about are all... Wait for iiiiit.... Vailed! Like all the "negative" aspects of marikas beliefs. So id suspect that we will learn more about the supposed missing Sun. The big basket bois in the dlc trailer do have a omenous looking sun on them. The dlc trailer also seems to have many crucible references so its not too far fetched to think that the Sun and crucible are either one in the same or heavily related.

[@TheSoijohn]

Its always funny to me that the elden ring ( the runes ) is a basic ass representation of a tree with a crucified person on it

[@FelipeSantos-wu1uf]

Sol is Sun in portuguese

[@SirSaladAss]

Most importantly, it's sun in Latin.

[@finald1316]

In latin, bortoukalieh boi.