Carrier GasPack With Serious Issues!

[@thomasbarr7812]

Customer: WHY does it cost so much? , Supervisor: WHY is it taking you so long?, Dispatcher: Can you take another call?

[@rolytech212]

Well, he doesn’t have that problem. He is The owner, dispatcher and Technician 🤣🤣

[@jthonn]

IKR, but only if you are working for the man. I don't miss that shit at all.

[@billy5032]

Yep

[@JamesAgans]

You forgot parts desk: Sorry, we're out of stock and don't know when they will be coming in from Hung Dow Long, and the Houthies sunk the ship with the last load, because the US Navy left.

[@reese8752]

That is freaking nuts.

[@davidhazas7162]

Lol. "It deserves another check right now". U know that inducer is no joke lol. Praying for a bad heat exchanger.

[@hinspect]

It looks like a good sheet metal shop could make those rusty plates out of Stainless fairly easily although it is a little late on that one! Thanks for the Video 😃 (They need to take their garden hose off the spigot for winter)

[@HVACGUY]

If some e would make them I’d buy them.

[@aubreyvantuyl2773]

​@@HVACGUYI just did one of these about 2 months ago. That plate is hard to get sometimes and over priced. I brought it in to one of our metal shops and they made a match for it in about an hour. I live in North GA. Would be glad to send you their info if you would like. They are good.

[@sknight0391]

It should have been written into the engineers contract that designed those units.... "Every time one of those motors has to be replaced you have to go out with the technician and do it!" Now let me ask you one more time Mitch, before we put these things into production. "Do you still want to design this unit that way?" 😂👌😎👍

[@kens.3729]

🤪👎

[@jthonn]

That is a dream that will never happen. If they made it easy to change that motor, it may not reveal all that damage. They do need to make them more rust resistant.

[@Bob.W.]

Wonderful Halloween smile on that back plate. Whole thing is a rust bucket. Thx.

[@RayRay-nb7tn]

From experience when ever I change an exhaust motor I give the customer a price with and without hx replacement. I explain it to them why. Then its covered. Bryant and Carrier are known from day one on those models. Wonder how many times the high limit and the saftey operation codes came on. Gotta set the gas pressure correctly too when done cuz incomplete combustion has been there for awhile.

[@robalexander7348]

WoW Curtis, that sure was a rust bucket, i'll wait and see if you get the new change over job. Good Luck 👍 Au

[@OnusBones]

I think that's the worst PITA I've seen you encounter yet since I started watching your videos. I really hope you get a changeout and can make this worthwhile for everyone.

[@HVACGUY]

I hope so too

[@jthonn]

I've seen him do a heat exchanger on one just like that, and yes it was a pain.

[@JamesAgans]

Engineer " We really should be making the backing plate out of Stainless Steel" Bean Counter: " The hell with that, it would cost us $3.00 more per unit!"

[@brewaz]

Good call on your part, order all you may need

[@kens.3729]

Kind of Reminded me of an Old Truck just before it Died and went to Junk Yard Heaven. 🤔

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

My gas pack has a 20 year warranty on the heat exchanger. 2008 model. But replacing it is expensive unless I do it myself.(or let my son do it.) Still would need to get the replacement from Trane.

[@jthonn]

Over 2k sounds like a lot, but not compared to a new unit. I hope you get the go ahead. They need to design these things where they don't rust so bad. Nice job

[@HVACGUY]

Thanks

[@jimharmon3404]

The thought occurs to me that you could use a smoke machine as used in auto repair to inject smoke into the heat exchanger and then inspect for smoke leaks around the heat exchanger. Then you can detect a failed heat exchanger without having eyes on the rust holes. what do you HVAC guys think of that?

[@michaelangelo6217]

If the heat exchanger tubes had holes in it a smoke device may be useful. Not sure if it would have done any good on this one since the rust was around the plate that the heat exchanger tubes are mounted to. If you notice in the video; unless i am mistaken, there didn't appear to be holes just very thin and rusted/brittle metal surrounding the tubes which led to further investigation into the matter i.e. poking it. Best advice I can give to someone is stay away from gas units and stick with a heat pump if you live in the south. The components of gas units will rust and need replacing due to burning propane/natural gas. The fuel that burns to keep your home warm will cause the demise of the unit.

[@KenKen-ui4ny]

@@michaelangelo6217 I not too much of a fan of heat pumps, unless it a dual fuel system. That arctic blast we had go through here last month, pretty much exposed why that. Heat pumps are deficient in below freezing weather. Gas package units have been also more prone to rust then indoor standalone furnaces, due to the fact during the summer time, you got hot humid outdoor air inside of the combustion chambers of the heat exchanger, and on the other side is really cold conditioned indoor air. That going to create condensation, that could promote rust.

[@gor312]

​@@KenKen-ui4ny It's more that this particular unit has an absolutely idiotic design flaw. You have hot air rising from the bottom and then doing a U-turn at the top in that large box (where all the rust was). It's a pretty obvious spot for condensation of the acidic combustion gases because one side of the flue box is basically exposed to outdoor air. Once condensation ends up there, it really has nowhere to go. So you have nasty acidic water building up in there and then running down into the inducer and corroding everything in the vicinity. I think the reason these units have issues is because the air is flowing in the wrong direction relative to the gas in the heat exchanger. Normally, you design heat exchangers so the return air hits the coldest part of the heat exchanger (the end closest to the flue) and the air gets heated as it goes through. This minimizes condensation issues, since any condensation that does occur during startup will eventually get burned off as the unit warms up, and it isn't going to collect in the heat exchanger. In this unit, the leftmost arm of the heat exchanger is getting hit by all the cold air, and you could be getting condensation in there the whole time the unit is running. This is definitely suboptimal and necessitated by the layout of these units.

[@johnwalker890]

The person that designed that didn't care about nothing that anyone said or thought, he probably didn't like his job either.

[@bobgallo3775]

When I was in Syracuse for training, I requested to have a question and answer session with design/engineering. Was told very bluntly that it was out of the question. Carrier did not want to hear of our concerns.

[@johnwalker890]

No soup for you, like the soup nazi. Always in control of everything.

[@stevencossaboon3237]

Nice work Curtis. Hopefully you'll get the repairs.

[@martindecker8025]

The reason your cooling came on when you jumped the g leg is it back feeds through the t’stat to the y leg.

[@davidhazas7162]

I get that sometimes and wondered, just not enough time to investigate. Good call ima check that next time

[@joehead1294]

I believe he said it was calling for cool?

[@wildmanwv]

Good solid info. Thanks for sharing Curtis. Really appreciate it

[@HVACGUY]

Glad it was helpful!

[@lannyellison5950]

Intense job! First time I’ve seen this type of job task!

[@williamtorres3394]

Wow that a picture of rusted out! Firebox

[@rolytech212]

I got confused with Curtis comments. He said Firebox and silly me. I thought he said Fireball, and I drank a few ….🤣

[@tyracz]

As soon as you mention the brand of this package unit I knew there's going to be underlying issue that you going to find. I always stay away from trane and carrier they have good Solutions on paper but they don't really work in the field. That plate and heat exchanger is a terrible design. When you start taking the unit apart I was wondering, why Curtis is taking half of the unit apart for? Now I know.. great job as always but I think this unit is good for replacement

[@MiHeatingGuy]

I know that's a fun motor to change

[@acrservicesmathewr7565]

That sucks you had to find out the hard way. It’s just what happens when we’re out there. But it could have been a lot worse and dangerous not finding that issue. Always observe anything you can and double check everything you do. They would be stupid not to pick you for the changeout. The experience you have goes a long way

[@HVACGUY]

Thanks

[@subashraghavan6035]

Hey brother. You are a good technician. I have been watching for some time. Your honesty is appreciated. This particular unit needs to be replaced with a new one.

[@ea-mechanicaleddietaylor6122]

Love how you are hands on and not a lot of editing!

[@fernandobazan829]

Great video Curtis

[@HVACGUY]

Thanks 👍

[@CommercialGasEngineerVideos]

True it's great

[@redbyrd9241]

if the manuf. went to the trouble to make SS tubes then why isn't the end plate SS also?? sounds like poor engineering to me? dissimilar metals in touch with each others set up electrolisis and thus planned failure! possibly not even a high grade of SS either?

[@sergioblanco4504]

Hi Curtis, so how do you handle the equipment while you wait for approval? Do you have to put all those rusted parts and bad motor back? Or do you come to an agreement with the customer to leave it disassembled until they come back with a decision? Just curious to see how that’s handled. Great job on my opinion. You can’t always see everything unless you start taking things apart.

[@jthonn]

Good question, I hope he brought them outside and showed them.

[@HVACGUY]

Put it all back together

[@sergioblanco4504]

@@HVACGUY Yikes! I’m sure it was fun putting back all those rusted part 😵‍💫

[@houstonsbestairheat]

A lot of work good job 💪🏽

[@HVACGUY]

Appreciate it

[@kg4muc]

Like you said not much of a way to see that heat exchanger damage unless you did a tear down. Metal these days just don’t hold up like it used to. You may be doing a change out on this one if the pencil pushers add up every thing. Monday’s tornadoes wasn’t close to your location I hope

[@KenKen-ui4ny]

They just don't make things to last nowadays anymore.

[@RobertTuck-vo8cw]

I keep a few pieces of #14 solid copper wire. It makes it easy to hold a panel out of the way.

[@1975original]

You weren't lying about that rusty plate.

[@jthonn]

Yeah, it was even worse than he thought.

[@zekenzy6486]

Great Video. Thank you for sharing

[@danielarteaga3913]

Good channel lots of experience

[@TomLawson05]

Great job Curtis but what a pain that engineer needs to be fired thanks for the video

[@HVACGUY]

Yeh, lots of people complain about these. A real pain.

[@winkhvac62]

Need some love

[@jamierushing]

Hi bro from west Alabama

[@butlerstouchHVAC]

great video tech 🔥 question how do you check that direct spark igniter

[@HVACGUY]

Without removing the whole burner assembly there’s really no way to get to it.

[@PhilipNation-xm5lh]

I noticed that you decided not to show the art of busting that pipe union on the gas line. I had one of those not long ago. Practically shot my intestines through my groin pulling on it and that was after letting it soak with some PB Blaster. Rust is certainly not our friend.

[@elBusDriverKC]

You have to pull the power and the gas to start to get to the draft inducer. That is absolute crap right there. I thought York's 5 ton units were a pain in the butt. This is next level. Edit: Checking heat exchangers can be a real pain too. Sometimes you can't see 100% of them even with cameras, even with with removing panels. A match test works often, but I'm in the midwest on rooftops or outside mostly. Can't get a match to stay lit for testing purposes..... I hate it when I've done work, then discover my repair won't work because of bigger problems, then I can't bill out on anything because we have to wait and see if this is an approved repair or changeout or what.

[@tomn4838]

The voice over at the end was funky weird 😂. Did you get the heat operation restored?

[@OnusBones]

I think that heat exchanger required it to be condemned.

[@HVACGUY]

I’m still waiting g on a response.

[@Korrea00]

Why would they put the cap back there?

[@jaredcumbie6033]

the worst is when the screws on the flue plate are so rusted that you can’t even get them out with a drill

[@sergiohernandez4163]

Changed plenty of them ICP and 99% of the time will will need the back plate burners are bad about rusting as well.

[@jrsmyth9761]

Use a zip tie or wire or bungee to hold that panel out of the way!!

[@daeroc]

Is it common to run gaspacks like this in Georgia? They are all rooftop units here.

[@HVACGUY]

very common

[@JamesAgans]

This is what you get when you forget the basic engineering addage: Form Follows Function.

[@549BR]

Genuine American rust package. I take it to be an R-22 unit, so it really should be replaced, shouldn't it? Kind of day for Lt. Reilly to visit the woods and fields. 😎

[@heymikeyhelikesit8673]

it's R410A.

[@karellodewijks4971]

😊😊👍👍

[@juanarboleda]

OMG is a restoration, no repair😂

[@harrydickson4575]

👍👍👍

[@Peter-sj6yn]

Ya dammed if you do and ya dammed if ya don't!

[@pstiegman]

Good Grief Curtis! How old is that thing?

[@thomasandbethanygriffith892]

A mild steel plate on a (stainless) heat exchanger 😢 my inner technician is crying?

[@robertwojtowicz933]

Windows down and the system up

[@markofx2024]

Got to cut out the smokes buddy. Ive seen those labored breathes with my father, rip

[@scotto3826]

It's painful watching you fight with that panel with the control board on it. Get a bungee cord or zip tie and secure that damn thing out of your way so it quits flopping back to where you're working.

[@HNIC86]

Yeah time for a change out replace the whole unit

[@deanmartin1966]

Seriously worst design ever

[@KenKen-ui4ny]

They certainly like cramming things in the abyss these days. Package units that are more older then that, probably had plenty of room to work with.

[@CrankyTim]

That thing is rusted out worse than my gas grill

[@winkhvac62]

Something not right

[@cjkokay]

It's is clear you don't have control of your van while driving and hand filming, STOP IT! I have no idea it it illegal in your state but it the same as texting and driving, DON'T.

[@danobrien3109]

Typical Carrier nonsense, built like crap, over priced and a nightmare to work on. Only consolation here is the area you work in . If you were here in Ontario that unit would be on a roof with a couple feet of snow around it and temperatures in the teens Fahrenheit and wind whistling up your woo hoo. Good luck on the bid.👍👍🇨🇦