Hybrid Ceramic Bearings. DO NOT BUY!!!

[@Hambini]

This is absolutely spot on. Ceramic bearings on bikes are the product of someone in marketing not engineering. I think the other thing that most people are not aware of is the clearance, Ceramic bearings by default seem to come with a C3 clearance so you have more thrust play to start off with.

[@TheDarkInstall]

Hambini Performance Engineering ah thanks! Coming from an expert like yourself that means a lot. Yeah, there are some other things about ceramics that I didn't cover which adds to how unsuitable they are. Might have to make another video! :)

[@Hambini]

Braha, me, expert I don't think so. It's funny how everyone who is an engineer and not sponsored comes to the same conclusion! Great vid, mind if I link to it?

[@TheDarkInstall]

+Hambini Performance Engineering Link it for sure!

[@whitegod8755]

you guys are absolute morons and every bike forum is full of oldfargs saying ceramic does nothing i just switched out all the bearings on my bike by hand to ceramic and its like riding on glass granny gearing is way easier top speed is increased friction is drastically reduced so easy to peddle now everyone saying ceramic bearings do nothing is a no experience know nothing who doesnt know what hes talking about also u dont want full ceramic bearings on wheels or anywhere in the drivetrain because they are fragile thus hybrid is the only way to go steel bearing microscopically contact weld and the difference in material and glass like ride precision will never be matched sorry guys steel is the past and ceramic is the future you can order cheap chinese ones off amazon and cut out the first world ripoff middleman do it yourself its not that hard and easy to do once youve done the teardowns one time....... go ahead and delete this comment the best is the most hated and god owns you..........

[@whitegod8755]

you are not supposed to use sealed bearing in hubs thats the problem hubs see angular forces and thus you want the typical cup and cone type bearing the ceramic is not the problem........... cup and cone wear wont matter as much........

[@mrpwnpesusieni]

As a person that sells Bearings, the 2 most common reasons to use ceramics is either temperature or electrical. Full ceramics are mostly used for ovens and other extreme heat places, and hybrid or coated are used to make insulated bearings so the the bearing does not conduct electricity. also ceramics are brittle aka they can fracture, so i would advice against using them in a environment where they take impacts. So in short i would never sell a bike owner any kind of ceramic bearing ever.This sounds like some A level marketing BS to sell ceramics to Bike owners. My advise is to buy pure steel bearings, they can take a pounding, secondly for most people i would advise to use rubber shielding while it does add a tiny amount of friction it will make the bearing much longer lasting as it will be far harder for dirt and water to enter the bearing, if you need performance then stainless steel shielding would do the trick as they will still protect the bearing from most stuff but it still keeps the outer ring and inner ring separate with no contact.

[@michaelthemekhanical]

That sounds like good information. I think the video title could have included "For use with Bikes" because I thought their was a negative about Hybrid ceramics. I am just looking into building a balancing machine and really need bearings that can respond to a dynamic imbalance and react in a measurable way. Budget wise it needs to be cost effective. And in the sense of a turbo some bearings run at low speeds and others at ridiculous speeds along the lines of upto 200,000rpm for short intervals of time. A small imbalance reduces the life of parts. Steel seems like the way to go.

[@abdurrahimmohdnor9005]

Hybrid ceramic can use at engine motor.?

[@mrpwnpesusieni]

@@abdurrahimmohdnor9005 i Think yes, but i dont think normal cars will have a benefit, racing you could see probably some benefits, less weight and higher RPM without breaking bearing, but normally a car manufacturer takes cost into consideration when building cars, so they will use a steel bearing, not to mention steel bearing can last decades, if it is oiled correctly and is in a optimal environment, that i think is seen in cars by the fact that tire bearings are changed more often compared to bearings located in Engine

[@vincentyap3188]

he talking about using it in a bicycle which most of them are hardtail with no shock suspension like car or motorcycle do, some video show they are using it on thier motorcycle for 10 month and they have no problem. because shock suspension may help you in load shock or any shock that bicycle cannot, however i still prefer the full ceramic bearings because it spin faster and longer than Hybrid Ceramic Bearing as test and shown in other youtube

[@iliriano6]

You’re right about the bearing but very incorrect about those bearing touching each other, if you open a hub you will find a small spacer in it. In boost hubs anyways.

[@SimonWhiten]

1. Why not strip the hub down for us to see inside? If you did you would see that what you have said is incorrect. 2. Examples of the free wheel becoming jammed are very rare. I have only ever seen it a couple if times in 30 years of cycling on very worn hubs that have seen many seasons usage. 3. If the freewheel becomes jammed, you would simply have to continue pedalling. It would not get caught and strip your cassette as the pulleys and bottom bracket would still turn... 4. Hybrid ceramic bearings are fine and we have been running them in our race team for years with no issue. Indeed many pro teams use hybrid ceramic set-ups again with no issue. 6. Hybrid ceramic bearings are good for many 1000rpms. At 100 to 200rpm you are not going to wear either bearing or race. 7. Everything has a shelf life. Nothing lasts forever, especially cycling gear. You are probably not old enough to remember old hubs with loose steel bearings but steel bearings and race will also wear, usually the race becoming pitted first, so I do not see the issue? 8. Ceramics may save a few grams and do seem to last a bit longer than steel. If you have the cash, what is the problem? I use them and love them. I have fitted them to over 250 bikes in 4 years now and had zero come back with an issue. I could go on. Why even post this video?

[@TheDarkInstall]

Why even type this massive essay like a melt?

[@USN308]

@@TheDarkInstall Lame video.

[@colorfulstring]

@@TheDarkInstall The type of person who tries to ignore criticism that he cannot answer.

[@TheDarkInstall]

@@colorfulstring I would have replied properly, but he ended his comment like a twat so I didn't want to waste my time.

[@marktrewin4726]

So I have been using ceramic on my Cannondale for years with no problems, I have ss bearings on my lefty high quality and need to replace them every year my last set on my scalpel lasted 9 months so don't get it my ss fail and my hybrid last. The first set of bb30 from new lasted just over 12 months and the ceramic hybrid have been in for the last three years and thats around 4500m cross country winter riding and cannock chase and that's hard co components.

[@CyclespeedTours]

Interesting and agree completely. If you buy the best quality steel bearing (NTN, SKF, etc) chances are you will have a better bearing than ceramic, and save a ton of cash!

[@CyclespeedTours]

Hambini, another good, independent engineer on KZbin sells NTN. I bought some BB30 'loose seal' version from him recently, but have yet to install them. 20% of the price of Ceramicspeed!

[@TheDarkInstall]

Cyclespeed Tours I can get NTN no problem. I actually just sent some to a guy in New Zealand so if anyone needs any just let me know. I don't sell them for profit, just cost :) Oh yeah and Hambini is a good guy! Spoke to him a few times before about 3D modeling and stuff.

[@theenchancedemerald3261]

Cyclespeed Tours Yo mate it is on amazon for 1$ and spins for 1:22 it is better you have to get one to believe it

[@vincentyap3188]

dude you are talking about using it in a bicycle which most of them are hardtail with no shock suspension like car or motorcycle do, some video show they are using it on thier motorcycle for 10 month and they have no problem. because shock suspension may help you in load shock or any shock that bicycle cannot, however i still prefer the full ceramic bearings because it spin faster and longer than Hybrid Ceramic Bearing as test and shown in other youtube

[@AngryNorwegianFisherman]

Any thoughts on this where the application is saltwater fishing-reels? some coaxial pressure is applied when drag is set but is it enough force that this will ever be a issue?

[@kulkurikoira]

No it actually won't be an issue. It becomes a problem wherever you apply impulsive force like in skateboarding or else where those bearings have to take hard impacts while landing tricks. I'm nowhere near to any knowledge about fishing but you've written there's only coaxial force and that for sure won't damage your bearings. I'd still take high quality steel bearings because they will even withstand hard impacts to a certain level and will generally run smooth longer. At least that is my experience

[@miertjestoer9525]

Vorso V1 fidget spinner store use this 608 hybrid ceramic bearing and they say it is one of the best bearing in the world. Which bearing I should buy? full ceramic? And Will this bearing destroy my spinner?! Thanks!

[@mihauok1]

Hey, thanks for letting me save 44$, I was about to buy a set of hybdrid bearings to my frame, btw, what are your thoughts of installing them in such place?

[@bengt_axle]

If I have ceramic (with now a broken bearing from a bicycle), can i just replace with stainless steel of the same size? The races are designed for ceramic so they are hardened, but after a facture of the ball, there is some slight pitting. On my other wheel set with cheaper metal bearings, they are actually smoother!

[@TheDarkInstall]

Just replace the whole bearing cartridge assembly (assuming they are cartridge)

[@stuartdryer1352]

Beautifully explained. Really important information.

[@kuyajayyoutubechannel6327]

So wat is the best bearing to buy?

[@dr10501]

You the truth seeker in the bike industry your advice is always spot on Darkinstall same with Luescher Teknik!!!!

[@TheDarkInstall]

dr10501 Thanks mate, that means a lot.

[@moestrei]

My Tesla Model S with a 380kW motor has 2 SKF hybrid ceramic bearings for the rotor shaft. 380,000km so far........😂.

[@1MantisPhoenix]

Yeah.. But do you ramp hills with your tesla and land on them impacting the bearings directly? Want to try it on your next speed bump? Skf is Japanese. They're naturally brilliant. ❤❤❤

[@moestrei]

@@1MantisPhoenix SKF is a Swedish company. The bearings of the rotor are part of a 380kW (almost 500 HP) motor with 18.000rpm.

[@1MantisPhoenix]

@@moestrei epic, and are they priced 10 dollars a bearing if you were to replace it your side too?

[@moestrei]

@@1MantisPhoenix $400 for 2

[@woottonp]

nice one for bringing attention to this, as a mech its a pretty common conversation, and I find there is a lot of misinformation. Many dont realise that full ceramic bearings are very rare, almost all are hybrid. Full ceramics have had issues in smaller bearing sizes and can fail under load, so you see these hybrids and coated steel like ceramicspeed. And please dont buy those cheap full cermaics off ebay, they are best used as a toy and nothing more! If you want a super fast hub remove the seals (or just leave the outboard seal to help stop ingress) and flush them with a thin oil, they will outperform stock ceramics and at a fraction of the cost

[@TheDarkInstall]

woottonp agree with all of that my friend! The seals are the main factor in how fast a bearing runs. Might as well buy a handful of NTN steel for 1/10th the price of hybrid ceramic junk, take the seals off and just replace them every 2 months!

[@mihaiilie8808]

woottonp Full ceramic bearings si3n4 from ebay are the real deal not for toys. I will mount full ceramic in a water pump that will work non stop without maintenance for i hope at least10 years or so .The chinese zirconia bearings from ebay are bullet proof working under salt water for 10-20 years continuously where the best stainless steel bearing wouldnt last a month.

[@devil_samuraix6176]

how about full ceramic nitride?

[@stsst7788]

You should use the most strongest, hardest and toughest steel ring which 52100 chrome steel, that I have made a research, and in other video other are using it for their motorcycle for more than 10 months and there is no problem about it, what I heard they bough from boca bearing all their steel ring are made of 52100 chrome steel, and in a blog a cyclist who have use more than 3 year and there is no problem and he said still look like new, however full Ceramic Bearings cannot be use on a motorcycle it will break, as motorcycle is a lot heavy than bicycle

[@deech6699]

What if I were to use ceramic bearings in an older bike with non removable races but they have some pitting, could I use ceramic bearings to even out the pitting then go back to steel bearing.

[@SosanCheon]

Thanks! I have been watching your channel and getting helpful information. However, I heard from here and there (including bearing and hub manufacturers) that the full ceramic bearings are fragile, so not appropriate for hubs. Have you actually tested them? ps. I want to share your link on my homepage (a small, starting wheelset company in South Korea) and blog. Would you mind?

[@TheDarkInstall]

Hey, Yeah, I do not recommend using full ceramics in bikes. They require a perfectly clean environment to function properly. I suggested people use full ceramics over hybrid ceramics because at least with full ceramics the issue with co-axial play is not so bad, and therefore safety is not an issue. Everything I say on my KZbin channel comes from personal experience and testing. I do not ever put anything on here that I have not tested extensively myself. So, yes, I have tested full ceramics. I tested them in both front and rear hubs and found they died much faster than steel bearings. Also, steel did not slow me down at all! Sharing my videos; yes, please do! Thanks!

[@SosanCheon]

Thanks! I will share :) I wonder the factory built wheels such as Roval and Aeolus suffer from the co-axial play. I will ask LBS's on this soon.

[@TheDarkInstall]

If they are using hybrid ceramics, then yes, this will be an issue within the bearing. It only becomes a safety issue if the freebody then starts hitting the inner face of the hub shell, and this depends on the design of the hub itself. The risk is too high for me to say that is 'might be alright' though, so I can not recommend them. Steel is best. Also, Chris Froome has won the Tour de France multiple times using wheels with steel bearings, so they are fast enough!

[@SosanCheon]

TheDarkInstall Yeah. Steel is real!

[@TheDarkInstall]

Haha, for bearings, it is! Send me a link to your homepage and blog :)

[@perseum]

I have been seeing most of your videos very recently since finding your channel and I am very impressed. Really great content. Because of that I am seriously considering making the jump into building my own wheelset. Now, with that in mind, have you used and do you have an opinion or maybe even a video in the making of the DT swiss 240s hubs? Thanks and keep it up.

[@ibrahimshamail3389]

Does this apply for Fidget spinners too?

[@stealthsniper4766]

Ibrahim Shamail I wish this does not apply, pls tell us this is does not apply

[@lt.zionix5904]

not to sound sarcastic or anything but I mean if you use that same bearing then what do you think

[@Dragonstorm1557GAMING]

ok, the bearings i use on radio controlled 1/10 scale vehicles get this thing called oil so yeah, shouldnt that stop wear of hybrid ceramics????

[@BaddaBigBoom]

Bearing load on spinners is totally different from bikes, ie there is minimal load as spinners are allowed to spin freely with only gravity acting as a downforce. In practice, what are you looking for Ibrahim? Spin time or smoothness? For smoothness, I have found that the One Drop R188 is mind blowingly excellent but the ACER R188 is great for spin times.

[@kashubelua]

Ahaha ;-) , dramatic!

[@kevanglover792]

I have the ceramic hybrid r188 and LOVE IT

[@mhuten]

Ceramic is for racers. Not for regular riders.

[@병욱이-q5m]

What about all ceramic bearings, not hybrid bearings? Are all bearings made of ceramic material?//////////////////What about ceramic bearings as a whole, not hybrid bearings? Is it okay for the bearing to be made of ceramic?

[@retrogamegeek1]

What are your thoughts on the Enduro Angular contact Bottom brackets?

[@TheDarkInstall]

The Retro Game Geek If they are hybrid ceramics then avoid like you would any hybrid ceramic. As for using angular contact bearings in the BB... I would need to see accurate info about the true angle of the force that goes through a BB before I could say yes or no. Maybe time to crack out Solidworks and start doing some modeling.

[@arnonvon]

I use hybrid bearings for my engine race bike

[@kashubelua]

Anyone experienced stuck free wheel issue because of this?

[@TimJapan]

Can someone help me out I want a good steel bearing 8603 what is the best make to go for?

[@TheDarkInstall]

NTN

[@TimJapan]

@@TheDarkInstallThere are so many types. I'm a bit lost. Could you give me the specific model if it's not too much trouble.

[@TheDarkInstall]

@@TimJapan NTN 8603 llb

[@ghosttjr2]

can I use them in fidget spinners?

[@Sankichup]

Hybrid ceramic is good .. full ceramic is dangerous ..

[@raphaelauteuil8502]

It's pretty hard to value your point if you're not going to prove it by stripping the hub down, mate...

[@warrenlivingston7594]

This seems to be a design and tribological issue.

[@mechticulous8202]

Axial, axial movement.

[@bennyliem2131]

Wow . You are are right at some point and you are wrong

[@PraveenKumar-sz3wg]

I have a hybride ceramic bearing

[@rlmurillo]

I just installed a Kogel hybrid ceramic BB on my bike. Then i see this video. Now I am screwed! Lol..

[@andycorso8498]

Great video.......lotsa common sense spoken......

[@TheDarkInstall]

Thanks mate. There are a growing number of us who are beginning to spread the word about all this boutique bike bullshit that plagues high end road cycling. Glad I can be a part of the rebellion!

[@davidlenneberg4303]

Great info Great work😊👍

[@TheDarkInstall]

Thanks mate. Everything I say comes from my own testing and real life experience. I have no affiliation with any brands so I can be as honest as I want. :) Glad to be of use!

[@johnbentley33]

Steel bearings are useless on a bike. They get wet and rust long before any non steel bearing could possibly start to wear

[@TheDarkInstall]

+John Bentley LOL, what?

[@xyz360400]

There's this incredible material called "stainless steel" which is far more resistant to rust and corrosion. Yes, some bearings are made of standard steel (the cheaper ones, typically), however there are plenty of stainless steel ones out there too which are still generally cheaper than their ceramic counterparts and don't have the issue of wearing down/grinding down the races.

[@TheDarkInstall]

+xyz360400 hybrid ceramic with the race being stainless? Still wear down as ceramic is the harder material.

[@xyz360400]

Yep, I know. I was referring to the OP's comment about rust/corrosion with steel bearings. Stainless doesn't rust so it's far from useless on a bike.

[@deech6699]

Sealed bearings, proper lubrication and cleaning... they don't fracture.. don't soak your bike in the ocean for an hour a day...

[@cinnamondisc1208]

1:30

[@eunsteddi3136]

Cinnamon Disc bruh 😂😂😂

[@gulenator]

Wat about fidget spinners

[@masenmolina814]

There's not a huge load weight on fidget spinners, as with yoyos. Ceramic will not be as "smooth or quiet, but can get some extra spin once broken in. With full Ceramic, you will definitely need a high quality bearing that was machined well. ABEC rating actually doesn't have much to do with it so much as materials used, raceway curvature, amount of play in the races, surface finish of the raceway, cage material, Balls: size, precision shape, number of balls, ball smoothness, material

[@jerwinddronervlog]

why do not buy ceramic bearings?

[@USN308]

Watch the video, genius; that's what this video is about.

[@Sankichup]

Menyesatkan

[@primedirective00]

You have no idea what you're complaining about dude. Congrats on your trash post sensationalism though