[RO!] What are the jobs in a train crew? Plus switching at the new smelter setup in RO!

In this video, we talk about the jobs on the railroad and how steam locomotives work while running a full cordwood train down our new line to the smelter! ‪@kANGaming‬ and I have fun switching cars there too.
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[@gaminghub8108]

I love how the goofiest part of this series are 1. Hyce’s laughs 2. “Doinki loinki I made a mistakey” moments 3. When hyce explains rail operation stuff, kAN understands like 5 words from it

[@PowerTrain611]

You can really tell when kAN gets bored with Hyce's informative ramblings. Fortunately, the rest of us are here to listen and learn!

[@CobetcknnKolowski]

This season really is the best of RO, having the beautiful game going by while listening to y'all nerd out about trains is awesome!

[@blendpinexus1416]

very agreed.

[@Wileyone8Games]

Yes

[@ninjia7347]

14:18, I think an easy way to visualize this is putting your thumb on the open end of a running hose, the same amount of water wants to go through a smaller opening.

[@ericbonanno5214]

So I got another fun story. The town I live in was founded in 1788 so it ended up having some railroad infrastructure that you can still see remnants of today. We still have our old train station that was a farmers market but now a museum, we have some industries set up by then tracks (or where some of them were), and we have this old maintenance shed for the locomotives. Most of it has been renovated through out the years. Once used as a satellite campus for a local college. But the preserved part of it where the maintenance was actually done. You can see these big wooden beams that are stained black from the locomotives being in there. It's quite cool.

[@spacetoaster1466]

So funny that I started building this route before your video was out and we took the same approach, only differences are that I tried to go down at 1% (I have to rework it for 2%) and I stuck to the terrain. Great to see you guys playing together and can't wait to see more!

[@TrainSimUSA]

1% would be almost like three loops around the smelter. Mines 2% as well.

[@Blackbookproductions]

This is why I love this game, it make you feel like how it did back in the day.

[@TrainBandit]

Those yellow cars look great. One of my favorite railroads is the V&T And I think shunting comes to America through Thomas and friends lol Also the turntable looks like the on from the V&T I am not sure if it’s still in the game but the reverser cut off was simulated

[@TNH91]

26:35 "We're 'Hyce speed switching' today" EDIT: Oh, and of course Hyce would pull that joke himself just one and a half minute later

[@KreativeKng]

As an Engineer who operates a wood burning steam loco, you are 100% correct on describing how it all works. Also, A part you missed is the Rear Break man would also ride point (the back of the last car) during switching operations too.

[@Hyce777]

Absolutely true! Shoving moves. Yup. Someone's gotta protect it.

[@TheContinuousRail]

Kan track laying between vids is the definition of “I did some mining off camera”

[@burdizdawurd1516Official]

Some of you might wonder why the Colorado Midland bought 25 locomotives. The answer is probably backshopping. I think the number is about 30% of steam locomotives were backstopped at any given time getting wear parts replaced and such. Steam locomotives are labor intensive to maintain because they have to be stripped for major repairs, unlike the somewhat interchangeable main components of a diesel electric locomotive.

[@Spanderson99]

I’m glad you guys decided to revisit this game, you both sound like you’re having a great time messing around here. As far as I can tell, the only Canadian railroad terminology I picked up while there was using “nought” instead of zero when talking on the radio. It doesn’t even make sense, because trying to tell someone it’s 0630 ends up sounding like its “not 6:30” and that’s just confusing!

[@157RANDOM]

You get used to it. For example if the RTC asks what your 12th hour is you would say "six thirty, nought-six-three-nought" since you have to say the number then repeat with individual digits. I can see how it'd be confusing from an outside perspective.

[@LucasL512]

I bought the Class 48 before a Montezuma and its great, the whistle sounds cool too!

[@Ronald.Golleher]

33:15 Hyce blaming the switch for doing switch things when he didn't even throw the switch XD

[@Nareimooncatt]

All I can think of now is a greatest "donk" compilation of hard hitting hooks. Real or game donks.

[@andrewmagosky7181]

You probably know this. For the viewers though, the blow down is also used to control the dissolved solids in the water and keep them within an optimal operating range. I did not know that the blowdown was used to knock the water level down in prototype practice aswell though!

[@cliff4377]

I've got a 2% run to the iron mine, the 2% starts at the sawmill, turns on a bridge over the smelter access gap and runs up the freight depot side of the ridge, then nearly flat to the iron mine after going thru the gap 6 cars of beams, and split the lumber into 2 3 car lumber cars - easy runs with betsy...

[@awildjared1396]

3:40 You've been driving north from Galveston for 3 days and you see a sign on the side of the road "YES! All y'all are still in Texas!"

[@thundercreekcustoms]

"All you have to do is get to the top of the hills and then let it go" *Mauch Chunk Switchback Railway has entered the chat*

[@jamesTBurke]

All a nozzle does is help keep pressure. It would be like kinking or putting your thimb over the end of a garden hose and using that to make the water go further with minimal loss. As compared to just having a big open hole like a pipe in an attempt to launch the water.

[@CatofthePotatoes]

In my experience, the Montezuma can pull 7 (empty) cordwood cars and a caboose up a 2.5% grade.

[@AShadowboxsFSX]

Also: just bought a sticker and coffee mug. That logo is hilarious!

[@Hyce777]

Cheers!

[@AnimeHairSyndrome]

I think for climbing up to the iron mine you should use switchbacks like the zig-zag railroad in australia, might ease up your grades if you don't mind spending half your trip shoving

[@franklinburton8537]

I can confirm the Durango round house has a pitch black ceiling and I only notice it’s actually there when on top of a loco

[@Hyce777]

Yes you can! I heard you got a gig in the shop there within the last month or two. Hope all is well down south.

[@franklinburton8537]

@@Hyce777 yes I did I absolutely love it everyday I find myself saying I love my job. Thank you for the well wishes

[@ayayaybamba3445]

You guys should totally make a hump yard at one of the business.

[@Hyce777]

Planning on it.

[@TylerCMilligan]

Decided to grab RO! Currently building up the Frontier and Central. Or the F.A.C.

[@BMMEC6000]

I did the same thing with my cordwood cars when I lettered them! I had a 300, 301 and went buying the 302 I forgot if I started at 300 or 301 so i did 303.

[@guardiansofdisciples2918]

It was a rough day on my route the Eagle River Southern. I had a couple of incidents; one of which led to a flatcar being overturned. Incident 1. It started out as a fairly normal session. I had just finished restocking the sawmill with logs and was back at the freight lard storing my empty flats with my Montezuma the Sparrow. That's when I had my first incident. I had noticed that the switch was still aligned for my yard loop instead of the siding. I then tried to powerbrake the train and pull it back through the switch. For some reason this caused the flatcar flip off the track and land upside down. The only things that I can think of that may have caused it were either my car glitched into the switch or I pulled the car off the track when I powerbraked. Incident 2. Shortly after I hopped in my Glenbrook the Crow to take a train of empty flats to the sawmill where they would then be loaded and taken to the iron mine. I started up the locomotive ,set the reg. to 30%, then jumped off to realign the switch after pulling from the siding. After realigning the switch I attempted to make it back to the train, but it was moving to fast. I now had a fully fueled train with 6 flatcars and a waycar barreling down my mainline. Thankfully I was able to catch it near the sawmill when it slowed as it reached the 3.5% grade heading up to the iron mine. If my mainline had been aligned for the smelter route it would have gone down a 3% grade with two 30 meter curves, and it almost certainly would have wrecked.

[@guardiansofdisciples2918]

Correction 60 meter curves

[@konnorarnold7965]

for your next loco I would go for the glenbrook it has air brakes and 7,811 lbf of tractive effort

[@justaguycalledjosh]

Actually most of the British drivers, even to this day, are trained on how to repair minor faults with any rolling stock they drive, to keep trains moving. But there was never any need to train them on huge repairs, since only a handful of lines ever ran more than a couple of hours from a maintenance yard. Any train that broke down could normally be retrieved within the same day. There was never really any need for complex repairs except at yards.

[@Hyce777]

Makes sense.

[@PenisCupcakePoop]

The steeped (standard gauge) climb in the UK was the Lickey Incline, at 2.65%. It’s such a incline, that a 0-10-0 engine nicknamed “Big Bertha” was built specifically to be its permanent banker (or helper). Even with Big Bertha, there still had to also be 4 tank engines assigned to the hill at all times to also act as bankers/helpers. The crazy thing is; not only is that bit of track still around, but it’s still in service as part of a major main line! Trains still even need banker/helper engines for it! In 2022!

[@3ftsteamrwy12]

WELL: going to the mine you COULD do what the old Buffalo and Susquehanna did every DAY in western PA to run coal drags on its main line...instead of a tunnel(which they deffered due to cost, and it was ORIGAINLLY a pure logging line repuropsed into a "main line"..), they used a 4 tier switchback up EACH side of a mountain with a 130 car yard on the TOP of the mountain. One (beefy std gauge) 2-8-o dragging 6-8 cars UP, dump at the top, go back for another cut, then go DOWN 6-8 cars at a time till a 30 to 50 car coal drag was pulled over the mountain...Gee, I wonder WHY they built everything around 1905, and were bankrupt by 1917.....

[@William_Kyle-Yuki_Yuuki]

I like to watch both videos simultaneously synced up but with one video muted. you get both viewpoints without needing to double the watch time.

[@austinfox2663]

If you removes the track ends at the smelter and hooked them together would a shay or heisler be able to take the sharp turn? It would probably make a powerful switching engine there

[@Hyce777]

Good question. Maybe

[@darkassassin395]

Any chance we could see Push/Pull operations with the Class 48 to the iron mine? Always wanted to see how that would go and with the space restraints at the iron mine making a turnaround loop a hassle, I think a Push/Pull setup would work well! Especially as the Class 48 is quite strong so I don’t believe it would struggle too much.

[@opiumextract2934]

Hello from a conductor on the Union Pacific

[@Hyce777]

Howdy! Hope you're holding up with all the BS going on these days.

[@3ftsteamrwy12]

TOSS A LIME AT HYCE FOR THE "TOOTING MY OWN HORN " LINE!!!!!!

[@MrEkg98]

Guess i am not so crazy. My switching setup is the same except for the buffer. I circled back for the loading platforms

[@genislebastard3491]

Speaking about Canadian railroads running into the States which one bought Kansas City central. For if any. Because they would be running into Mexico now.

[@rottenroads1982]

Next locomotive for the Crap Railroad: Hopefully a Geared locomotive like a Shay or Heisler, or Climax.

[@southernwolfgaming]

I just can't wait to get railroads online next week. I'm so excited cause I'ma use some of kans old line ideas and some of y'all's new ideas and some of my own ideas. And I'ma call my railroad line Cherokee mountain rail. Do you like the name hyce?

[@Hyce777]

Sounds cool!

[@southernwolfgaming]

@@Hyce777 so are y'all actually considering letting people come in and help you guys with your railroad

[@southernwolfgaming]

@@Hyce777 cause I would absolutely be privileged to help y'all of y'all got me the shey train. That'sy favorite train in the game so far. Also can y'all give the eurika another chance?

[@darklegend9576]

Videos are amazing like always keep up the good work!!!

[@JoyyTech1]

Ayyyeeee Hyce, you beat Kan to the video 🤣🤣

[@Hyce777]

I try to so I can steal viewers

[@archidonwarrior]

Wait, why do you have to push the turntable by hand? You're driving a massive engine that can power both the wheels and a generator and a compressor. Was there ever a turntable that was powered by the engine it was turning?

[@Hyce777]

There were many that work on shop air, shop steam, or the locomotives' supply, and later electric. We just don't have that luxury. Lol

[@archidonwarrior]

@@Hyce777 oh cool. But there wasn't like a treadmill kinda mechanism, was there? That seems like it would very much threaten the track's stability.

[@TimkenBearing1111]

So, why are there speed limits still in place again? Even though you weren't going THAT much faster than the limit when coming into the Smelting Yard, you were still going pretty fast with little if not zero issues whatsoever. Unless that's just the Montezooma's limit and this "Moska"(?) that you speak of is just as fast.

[@StakrCZ]

if you need a brakeman or marshalling yard attendant, I'm free 😄

[@erumaaro6060]

I'm guessing that kicking cars was the old version of was later done in hump-yards?

[@Hyce777]

More or less

[@whitewolfar1174]

Go for the climax because the locomotive has more horsepower than the class 70. Is the climax is more suited for the mountain.

[@blacksmeim8791]

The soundtrack at the end reminds me how much i miss your tracks ingame hyce. Btw where do you publish your music now?

[@Hyce777]

It's all over the place! Amazon, apple music, itunes, Spotify, etc.. - that said there are a lot of unreleased tracks in here.

[@frayziedaisy]

MOW crew has to be in at least one video!

[@themigmadmarine]

What is generally more realistic for a American 3' gauge railroad, doing a long fill equivalent to the tallest fill in game currently, or doing a long trestle like on your log camp route?

[@Hyce777]

Long fill.

[@Fantaman900]

Living in the midde of the netherlads means I am in germany or belgium. 5 hours and I'm past belgium into france. add a few more hours and you can make it really far into france and germany which are huge comparted to home. And for a dutch 1 hour or more is far away for me.

[@weird1012]

Oooo new video!

[@Westman0071]

NEXT : Yard at depot

[@haunted1659]

Random question, but would the FRA have jurisdiction over monorails?

[@Hyce777]

Doubt it.

[@ASOTFAN16]

Here's a question for ya Hyce. Why is the cab always in the back with the boiler up front? I've never seen a steam locomotive with the cab at the front. Is there a reason for it other than maybe weight distribution so the weight is mostly on the front wheels for possibly better traction?

[@Hyce777]

There's a few that have cabs in the front, and the reality of it is comfort and communication for the engineer and fireman. Can't shovel coal if your firebox is at the other end from the tender.

[@ASOTFAN16]

@@Hyce777 Ah yeah that's fair. You do have the tender behind it. Although you could put the tender in the front and shovel coal that way XD

[@Bigmac2199_h]

Please have more locos

[@Astro_dreagonz]

Also what would happen if you had the 100 series of cars then you had like car 199 but you still needed more that wouldn’t happen in railroads online but in the real railroad

[@Hyce777]

They'd usually plan for that and do 1100, 1200, 1300 etc. For the same series, as needed

[@kfcgaming4891]

Hi hyce love the video I have a question ain’t the oil work near the freight depot and love your music to I listen to your music on by Spotify.

[@Hyce777]

The oil stuff is all near the freight depot yes..

[@lorenolson9717]

Did they use to remove cars on the go if they had a car to go to the saw mill and your heading to the smelter would they detach the car with out stopping or did that ever happen?

[@Hyce777]

Back in the old days, all of the time!

[@mikelenz1990]

Why stop at 9 car for cordwood why not do 12 ?

[@jamez_3824]

45:20 The only actual recreation of the way freight was hauled on a narrow-gauge system that I have personally experienced was during my volunteering career at the Wiscasset, Waterville and Farmington (WW&F) Museum here in Maine a couple years ago. They will regularly run small freight consists for Railfans and historians alike, as well as passenger trips up and down the short trackage. But actually being there and experiencing freight scenarios was definitely something else. Ill be volunteering for them again soon and hopefully I'll get the chance to get some footage of this. However a great video of a consist that I got to help build is here kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppaTnJewn9t4eZo at 2:09 if you'd like to check it out.

[@Hyce777]

That's really neat! Thanks for sharing.

[@aeromaxout]

Hey, I'd join you for an opps session. You guys seem to be fun people.

[@samwilliams4176]

So when can we start playing on your server with you and kan?

[@Hyce777]

Maybe someday... I've had probably 4x the max server cap ask so far

[@shane6585]

Hyce I want to run trains with you and learn what you know.

[@DocHoliday16]

GIB MOAR VIDEOS! QUIT YOUR JOBS. PLAY MORE RAILROADS ONLINE! RAILS FOR THE RAIL GOD. STEAM FOR THE STEAMTHRONE!!! Love your stuff tho. Keep it up duders.

[@lukeclay4286]

Ay I’m only a bit dense!

[@swifty5459]

I was going to subscribe to KAN but then realised I’m too DENSE to do that…. 😂

[@Hyce777]

Lol!

[@swifty5459]

Once again another educational and entertaining video keep it up and I hope to join you guys sometime!

[@promotries4012]

i live myself in the netherlands, and if i drive for five hours, i wud be in the top of germany

[@rayburton4263]

Does this game allow you to tunnel?

[@Hyce777]

No.

[@itowmyhome797]

🎉

[@DominicEidson]

At 12:35 on this video, you can see Hyce rotate the turntable solo... kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHqkd6Crm8qXoac

[@Commando_history]

I'm just going to leave this here, "the British invented railways"

[@dirtbikeman2952]

Hyce what is happening to the discord server? It said it got deleted?

[@Hyce777]

The RO! Discord has been dead for a while, at least as far as I know.

[@dirtbikeman2952]

No your discord silly goose

[@dirtbikeman2952]

I did not get band or anything it just states that "server is down" and disappeared

[@Hyce777]

@@dirtbikeman2952 oh wack, nothing is wrong with it so far as I know

[@dirtbikeman2952]

Now the link in the description just takes me to a page saying the link is invalid or expired

[@katies6426]

Who else wants set link points for the turntable tracks.

[@Hyce777]

Everyone. Lol

[@Wileyone8Games]

LETSS GOOO

[@kasbakgaming]

I'd probably go for the Class 48 before the Eureka as the next engine. The cost isn't too much more, it'll give you a lot more tractive effort, and it would be an excuse to do talking points on tender engines vs tank engines.

[@ChadmasterDante]

As soon as they started playing again and I saw the Class 48 was added, I was instantly in love 😂 downloaded the game again and ran log trains back and forth til I was able to buy one, and it's been able to pull anything I've given it(granted it's only 10 full log cars back and forth, or 5 empty cordwood cars up the 5-6% climb up from the smelter for me. But still, it's a champ)

[@3ftsteamrwy12]

Seeing Montezoooma HIT the bumper repededly in switching cordwood, I forsee THIS little exchange one morning: *CR&P Master Mechanic to engine crew Hyce and Kan*: "Gentlemen, WHY is the drawbar between #1's engine and tender BENT like a piece of spagetti???"

[@PatrickAguilar]

Hype and kan back: sir, #1 is a tank engine, there is no drawbar

[@3ftsteamrwy12]

@@PatrickAguilar having been the superintendant of a volunteer railroad museum I can SEE a crew trying to deflect this (DONT ask why...) but the MM response would be "The SECOND #1, with the tender...nice try guys...now HOW many tines did you bounce off the end of track bumper??"

[@c.j.benoit8662]

"Better question, who's bright idea was it to have two number ones?"

[@RowanMackenzie]

In my own playthrough I just built up to the iron mine, went for 2% all the way up with no more than a 35 meter turn and it turned out pretty nice! Beware though, if you go right straight after the path leading from the sawmill up towards the smelter and follow the cliffs, you'll come across a super-canyon that the steel bridge can't reach the bottom of, and you have to put foundations down to actually cross it.

[@kellingc]

I lived a duplex that had steam heat. My neighbor filled his boiler to the top of the sight glass. There was such s noise coming from his system. I brought him to the basement, and used the blow down valve to get the excess water out. It took 7 5 gallon buckets to get it to the proper level for yhe temperature the furnace was at. I explained that you don't want to fill it to the top because there's no place for the steam to go. New rap song - "Gotta have BB, you know me"

[@AShadowboxsFSX]

YAAAAS Let's gooooo Also you should move Betsy permanently to the smelter as a switching engine. Then someone can run loaded cars and someone can unload and lineup empties.

[@Decrepit_Productions]

There's an excellent French short-film (13.5min) here on KZbin that shows the relationship between fireman and driver, seen before and during a run. It's called ""La 231 D 735"- old SNCF steam locomotive footage (upscaled to HD)". Lots of fascinating stuff on display. No English narration, but its absence isn't a lease-breaker. Well worth seeing!

[@thekathal]

In the UK, drivers in the steam era most certainly knew how to repair a locomotive, we just didn't do it whilst on the mainline because that's ridiculously unsafe, but also our trains didn't tend to break catastrophically unless a collision occured or someone *really* fucked up

[@Not_Dane_Heart]

Yeah, you didn't mention though that Kan called us dense :(

[@VestedUTuber]

Steam locomotives in general don't tend to break catastrophically unless a collision occurred or someone really fucked up. However, many UK steam locomotives aren't exactly easy to service on a line anyway. A lot of your steamers have inboard cylinders that are great for keeping the locomotive stable at speed but as a tradeoff require a service pit to access.

[@Hyce777]

Only having a bit of fun - of course the UK rail system was incredible in the day, and I imagine is now (I'm just less familiar). But you did have less of a chance of being stranded in the middle of nowhere than we did... Lol!

[@thekathal]

@@Hyce777 Fairs, didn't mean anything in bad spirits lol :)

[@timjouwstra]

30:56, 31:23 sounds to me like what you actually need is more people...and in turn more rolling stock. I enjoy watching and learning from you guys. I never would've thought about any of these layouts.

[@Wileyone8Games]

Which means letting people play

[@timjouwstra]

@@Wileyone8Games pretty sure they have friends in mind but it would be cool if they invited viewers

[@Wileyone8Games]

Thats what i was thinking

[@1llenium]

For the track to the iron mine I’d suggest a switchback type of plan to get up to it as it cuts the amount of track you have to build and is realistic to the actual narrow gauge railroads that used and still use switchbacks to get up steep grades

[@jonasrausch9146]

Nice a new chill session. I love you 2 just talking about railroad stuff.

[@bear470]

In saluda nc, the grade was so steep for trains that they had to double, or sometimes triple or quadruple the hill. It was the steepest class 1 railroad grade I think in America. The norfolk southern abandoned the line in the early 2000s because it was too in efficient and expensive to operate on. There's a railroad museum in saluda in the old Station, and the tracks have had washout from lack of Maintenence.

[@CPCfarms8679]

Y’all should make a Y to connect the smelter line, iron mine line, and lumber mill line. It would make the trip a lot more better.

[@dirtbikeman2952]

The stuff that you learn just listening to hyce ramble on is crazy.

[@realcanadian67]

1 big difference between the US and Canada is that you use railROAD, we, like majority of the world, say railWAY

[@ninjasuperman9538]

The most expensive part to C.R.A.P. RR is the drug testing department. I heard they go through 250 cups a day

[@maxwilson7001]

Oh THAT'S what the euphemism is for.

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

Can't wait till we get more trains so far the Heisler has the best whistle and power And another thing, was it easier to design an industry (sawmill, smelter, etc) with a railway in mind or the other way around

[@AllThingsRailroad]

love the route to the smelter, and the yard tracks at it.

[@newdeathscope]

Hey Hyce, would you mind explaining the switching terminology? Kicking is self evident, but I know that there's some more methods that aren't done frequently anymore as the FRA frowns on it. IIRC there's some way you kick a car and run around it and put it on the other side of the train, which I'm having a hard time imagining

[@157RANDOM]

That's called a Running Switch. You would for example have a car on the back of the engine and want it on the front. You would have a switch lined for the straight, get up to speed and cut the car loose so it is free rolling behind the engine, speed up the engine and get past the switch, have someone on the ground turn the switch before the car reaches it so the car goes onto the diverging route, then you can stop the engine once the car is clear, back up, and go into that track and couple the car to the front of the engine. It isn't done very often since you realistically need at least 3 people and it is really unsafe, engineer running the engine, conductor riding the car to break the joint and operate the handbrake, and the brakeman on the ground getting the switch. As for other switching movements you have kicking, as mentioned, and gravity drops. Kicking and running switches are allowed but gravity drops are no longer allowed by the CROR (Canadian Rail Operating Rules) A gravity drop is kind of like kicking cars but down a hill.

[@PowerTrain611]

Injectors are fascinating. They don't work so much off the principle of pressure so much as velocity, which is amazing.

[@neonsamurai1348]

Good luck when you two do the run to the iron mine. I managed a 2% grade all the way through it. Had to double stack bridges for the big crevasse crossing between the mine and foundry. Took me hours of redoing large sections and I had to fit 3 loops to get it down low enough

[@CMDRSweeper]

Around 51:00 or so, you talk about the soot lines being left behind in tunnels and the like of steam trains and after seeing a video of a UK steam train running under catenary wires made me wonder. How bad are steam trains for catenary wires in terms of the soot? :P

[@Hyce777]

Not brilliant, lol!

[@Wileyone8Games]

I just got to the smelter yesterday

[@Wileyone8Games]

And made a pasenger train using waycars while also putting them in the wrong order

[@savannahhirano]

From the play through before the spline update, but after the physics rework, Betsy was able to make it up a 2% with 6-7 empty cordwood cars from the smelter. Not sure how much it’s changed.

[@ThatE4]

I mean, british trains did sometimes get stuck in the middle of no where, for example, the snow drift at bleath gill