Hydrographic Survey: Preventing Getting Stuck In the Mud

[@bigsarge2085]

All the details of the whole drydocking and pre-drydocking process are fascinating.

[@DeviantOllam]

Totally! I very much hope that there will be at least one video dedicated to the simple yet gargantuan undertaking of the dry dock process itself. I mean, those large supports and other dunnage that we see beneath a dry docked ship, how do those get put in place? Are divers underneath there, maneuvering them by hand? Do modern dry docks have computer/ automation assistance in that process? I want to know it all. 😁

[@bigsarge2085]

@@DeviantOllam Agreed.

[@beefgoat80]

I'm really glad someone like Ryan is the curator for the New Jersey. He's always excited about everything going on with the ship. Given all of the work involved, only someone like him would have the drive to keep New Jersey afloat. Giving money to museums is money well spent in my opinion.

[@DavidSmith-cx8dg]

Dredging the Solent for the new Aircraft Carriers brought up a few oddities including WW2 bombs , it's definitely an essential part of the planning to ensure the ship doesn't run aground and I'm glad you are on top of it .

[@bdh985]

Gotta be honest, the thumbnail for this video reminded me of the old computer game "minesweeper". Lol 😅 In all seriousness, though, best of luck on the dry-docking! One of these days I'll travel back to NJ and take a tour when I'm there. I lived in the state for about a year but sadly never got the chance to go.

[@mrennick]

Something I would like to see, how do you verify that the mourning points for the tugs are up to the task? Corrosion is a potential risk. New Jersey looks to be in great shape, but I would imagine that there would be a good inspection of these points before you put too much load on them.

[@josephvarno5623]

And if you do get stuck, you can always ask the Missouri about how she got off Thimble Shoals. :)

[@patrickradcliffe3837]

Are you planning dredging the berth and channel while in drydock?

[@ronaldmiller2740]

THANKS RYAN ,, GREAT INFO.

[@ddblairco]

Thank you for the update

[@ianseifert567]

Be cool to hear about the plans you have for exhibits on display in the ship. You going to leave them all up? Break them all down? Half and half?

[@scottmurray9166]

Can you do a video covering the modern conversion that allows for shore power and distribution around the ship? Same with heat, water, sewer, etc. I think it would be cool to understand the power consumption as a museum vs. active service. Thank you!

[@DanielleWhite]

I was wondering when the Intrepid's propellers were removed. I recently discovered I drive past one of them regularly; it's in a small park in the Ocean View section of Norfolk, Virginia.

[@henrycarlson7514]

So Wise , Thank You

[@789train]

fritz fenger ' cruise of the diablesse ' published 1925, went down the icw and described ' lumps o' dredgin ' which were piles left by the dredge which he often ran aground on.

[@dalesql2969]

something that has always puzzled me is that when the ship is up on blocks, you cant clean and paint underneath those blocks. I've heard mention of somehow being able to move the blocks around to get at those areas, but that's the extent that I've heard. An episode covering this would be interesting to me. also an episode or three about how drydocks work. and then the detailed minute by minute timeline of the drydocking which would then lead to episodes explaining each step. Also, if you need volunteers to be linehandlers and such for the actual move, I have vacation time to burn.

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Is pretty simple, after you paint it, you float the ship, move her a little bit then take the water back out and paint the bare parts

[@KingdaToro]

They've covered this. They'll flood the drydock, move the ship a few feet so that the blocks will sit on painted parts of the hull, then clean and paint where the blocks previously were. This is really expensive, so they only want to do it once.

[@robertf3479]

A drydocking evolution is complex to plan, interesting to watch but something that has lost my desire to take part in again as ship's company.

[@ghost307]

How's this for a start? kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXu5p56DotqlZsk

[@bizjetfixr8352]

I would assume that every naval ship has a "plan/map" for where the blocks go?

[@Aerospace_EdC]

Ryan appreciate the Wednesday drydock videos, there sure are a million details to coordinate and think about. It may be too early to answer this, but how many tugboats will be required to move the ship ?

[@lonnyyoung4285]

I would like to see all aspects. I would even watch a planning meeting.

[@aserta]

Good to know the mud hasn't built up that much. That would've been another cost to dredge it.

[@TX-biker]

Just noticed Battleship TEXAS flag behind you. C’MON TEXAS🤠

[@andrewboyd9946]

Keep up the good work!

[@peterbrill1017]

A video maybe about how the movie battleship is such a lark about a museum ship getting underway in a matter of a half a day,esp loaded with fuel and munitions and everything in working order

[@grouchyoldpatriot]

Just wondering if y'all plan to dredge the ship's berth while she is in drydock? Gotta get rid of all them coffee grounds somehow.

[@shopshop144]

How do prepare for the unexpected? I'm assuming you have a long list of everything that both you and the gov't wants done, plus there's probably conditions that wouldn't surprise you to find once the ship is on the blocks. But do you have any contingency plans if something unexpected shows up and requires a great amount of money and time. Who knows, maybe the dry dock is only available for an extra month, and you need three. I'm enjoying this series of videos.

[@fredrtuck]

I noticed that Intrepid has 4 four bladed props while New Jersey has both 4 and 5 blade props presumably to reduce sympathetic vibration. Is this vibration less of a problem for carriers as they are not trying to be stable gun platforms?

[@bizjetfixr8352]

Preferably, you minimize the vibration over the ships operating range. Check some online stuff about the problems with vibration in the North Carolinas. Terrible vibrations at high speeds, so bad that the #2 main battery director was unusable at top speed. Bracing was added to the superstructure supporting the gun director. They swapped four and five bladed props trying to minimize it. IIRC, they finally got a combination that moved the worth vibration down to the 16-18 knot range. The good news being her director didn't shake at 27 knots. The bad news is that it was moved to a speed that was close to fleet cruising speed, which meant everybody got a vibromassage in their bunks

[@Cirux321]

As far as capital ships donated and placed in museum status, the only ones I know of thats been dry docked is Intrepid, Massachusetts, Missouri and Texas with New Jersey coming up. The rest havent been dry docked since the last one the Navy did during inactivation for mothballing and storage.

[@AvengerII]

I do believe they drydocked the Kitty Hawk before she was towed to Texas. They pressure-washed the hull to clear it of sealife. They didn't want to transplant to Texas what Kitty Hawk had on her hull prior to the last cleaning. They've changed the regulations for ship disposal and museum donation. It's a lot more expensive and complicated than it used to be. This is why the US Navy sold the 7 scrappable, oil-burning supercarriers for as little as they did. The wreckers wouldn't make any money off the scrap otherwise! If they could get away with it, the US Navy would probably sink more ships in weapons tests than they do now! At least the Kitty Hawk's disposal was more responsible than what the Brazilian Navy did with the Sao Paulo (ex-Foch). Sao Paulo had a lot of hazardous material on her. She was scuttled in 16,000 ft of water in the Atlantic. That whole episode from what I read was a mess. That ship had an inglorious career with the Brazilian Navy and spent more time in dock than the Russian supercarrier has! Prior to being scuttled, Sao Paulo had 3 big holes in her hull and they didn't think they could sell that ship to anyone and tow her across the ocean without sinking! They already tried this with a Turkish wrecking company but the carrier (Sao Paulo) was returned to Brazil because they didn't do a good job of cleaning her prior to disposal!

[@ryder6070]

Serious Question: Interested in the Rigging involved in the Tow. Strong Points on Deck, Tug power involved....yeah

[@Knight6831]

Well the Royal Navy only just retired their most recent Hydrographic survey ship, the Echo Class, do the US Navy even have any Hydrographic survey ship in service?

[@chrisb9960]

Not sure. I thought is was a function of NOAA.

[@BeKindToBirds]

​@@chrisb9960Correct.

[@Norbrookc]

Just need someone on the bow with a weight and a lot of rope

[@wfoj21]

@@chrisb9960 NOAA does a lot - The USN - specifically MSC has the Pathfinder Class ocean survey ships. 6 active

[@chrisb9960]

@@wfoj21 Thanks for the info.

[@jamesmoore869]

Battleship New Jersey successful . What is like to see

[@DavidPirouet]

Looking at it from the other hard points is there a survey of the Hull to see how strong it's going to be when there's no water to support it & when it was built is there a survey information on how the hull was laid down.

[@randyogburn2498]

If New Jersey is run aground is Ryan the one that faces court-martial?🤔

[@dwayne7356]

I wonder who is responsible for the ship while being towed to drydock. I imagine that several tugs will be involved. I assume that they will have to put a pilot on board the Big J to direct the tugs. Ryan always talks about all the permissions that are required. He could do a video on who is responsible and how they directed the ship down the river either before or after the move. Do they contract with a tug boat company to supply a ship master (captain) to be on board during the move. If I was qualified, I do it for free just for the chance to move such a historical ship.

[@jd3497]

NYC has Fleet Week, brings in lots of tourists. Camden has the Bloods and the Crips, not quite the same draw.

[@OldStreetDoc]

I know you guys haven’t contracted with a specific dry dock ‘yet’. Can’t help but wonder how many choices you would have. Would Bayonne, NJ, be the most logical or likely? Thanks, Shipmates.

[@geece1]

An ocean tow to Bayonne doesn't make much sense when they are a couple of miles up river from the old Navy yard, housing her old dry dock. Nothing has been signed but everyone knows where she's going.

[@OldStreetDoc]

@@geece1 Outstanding. I didn’t know how much of the Philly Navy Yard was still operational. That IS handy. Thx

[@Cirux321]

​@@OldStreetDocIts privately owned now but dry dock #3 (as well as some other smaller dry docks) is still operational.

[@OldStreetDoc]

@@Cirux321 I was hoping so (I hate to see important & historic assets like these close down) but didn’t know. It’ll be awesome to see ‘Big J’ come out of the water for a bit & get spruced up.

[@philrowan4637]

Philly is 6 miles away, Bayonne is 120 or 20 times farther.

[@jaycweingardt11]

Where are the blocks going to be placed on the hull and what structures make those strong points?

[@gunhog11]

Regarding the museum ships that have gone to dry dock and those that have not; is the carrier Yorktown ever going to drydock? I understand hee hull below the wind-water line has some serious issues. And is she embedded in the mud at her dock?

[@heathbrown4243]

Are you taking anything off her to lighten up the ship?

[@fangtsu]

Will the area around NJ's berth be dredged more thoroughly while she is in dry dock?

[@morandana77]

Will you have to relocate your shipboard offices while in dry-dock?

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Most will. Ryan will still be ship based most of the time

[@garywayne6083]

@@BattleshipNewJersey so they are hauling him away from you all for a bit 😁

[@johnjones5354]

Running a ship aground, museum ship or not is never good. But trust me, you don't want to run a nuclear powered aircraft carrier aground in San Francisco bay. Been there, done that. Not fun.

[@patspencer5649]

How is the ship powered while being towed to the yard, or is it just up to the tugs to do everything and nobody will be on the ship?

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

The ship will only have a few small generators on board during the tow in case we need to power pumps.

[@jetdriver]

What is the planned scope of work while in dry dock?

[@stephenbritton9297]

My old salt dad would call that “aground on their own coffee grounds.” Also, does anyone use tide table books anymore or is it all computerized now?

[@chrismerkel9604]

How is the Battle Ship New Jersey electrically powered while being towed to dry dock?

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

There will be small generators on board to power pumps if needed but otherwise she will not have power.

[@chrismerkel9604]

@@BattleshipNewJersey Thanks for the reply!

[@johnciesielczyk204]

How exactly will you power the ship while it's being moved to Dry Dock

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Couple small generators for pumps if needed. That's it

[@bdh985]

Hope this small donation can help!

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Thanks for the support!

[@vxe6vxe6]

It's too bad that you can't build a permanent drydock facility to put the NJ into. It ship still floats, the drydock will keep storms from affecting the ship, mud won't get into the drydock and if you need to do hull maintenance you can drydock it in its berth.

[@peterkirk6518]

Considering it was NYNY, I'm sure all of the monies were fudged.

[@asn413]

think some air bubblers under the hull might break a ship free of mud

[@ryder6070]

send a bass fisherman round the boat with his Fish finder. How the hell do you ground that thing??? basics hehe

[@frankhiatt5295]

One part of this evolution I would love to see, in depth is views from the New Jersey as she's being towed to the drydock.

[@petefluffy7420]

I find that not stepping in the mud is a good strategy.

[@marvlinke7453]

If there is a mishap in the dry dock and the ship is damaged, is the dry dock company responsible and WILL cover costs related to that mishap? Think that would be important to know.

[@wormyboot]

So if you wanna preserve your ship, make sure you take care of your channel.

[@196cupcake]

I have two KZbin channel cross-over ideas: "What is Going on With Shipping?" and "Casual Navigation." If it doesn't work out for whatever reason then no big deal. I like your channel and those channels, so I think it would be cool if it turned out that you could make something interesting with either of them.

[@KyriosMirage]

Stuck in the mud! And you're to blame. You give draft a bad name.

[@pauldietrich6790]

Nice!!!!!

[@duanegardner8874]

Do divers follow the ship on her way out of the berth. ?

[@harrykilman5634]

2006 was not that long ago. I find it strange if not sloppy that whatever entities were associated with the financial support of Intrepid did not require audited accounting of the expenditures on this project. $60M to $115M is a pretty wide disparity when dealing with donations from small supporters. Why would anyone donate to supoort these ships if they cannot do a better job of accounting for funds spent?

[@Jaysqualityparts]

Not for much longer in NY unfortunately. What a tragedy NY has become.

[@robg9236]

Don't believe everything you see on Fox.

[@markackermann673]

1 Million visitors a year for Intrepid! How many would Jersey be getting if it was across the Hudson in Jersey City by Liberty Park?????? Camden is not exactly a tourist destination!

[@BattleshipNewJersey]

Liberty State Park does not want the ship there and the water isn't deep enough for her.

[@markackermann673]

Jersey City was on the original list of possible locations, it probable could draw more visitors there with all the river ferries. @@BattleshipNewJersey

[@merlinwizard1000]

48th, 4 October 2023

[@U.F.0.]

Do a video of the NJ when she was moved into place originally