Hyprland The Greatest Wayland Compositor Ever?

[@BrodieRobertson]

People have pointed out to me that ARGB is a bit more common than I had thought, from my experience I still can't see it being more common than RBGA but that's not a hill I'm going to die on.

[@PhilipOlesen]

I first bumped into argb in polybar like a week ago. Weird anomaly.

[@nilz91]

argb is common in the programming world, polybar does as too, well not in "hex" format but #aarrggbb one

[@aonodensetsu]

wasn't some version of html/css using argb? i remember having to look up something for a website

[@PhilipOlesen]

@@aonodensetsu According to w3schools, what's currently available is rgba, rgb, hex, hsl, hsla. Personally I'm most used to alpha being last.

[@entelin]

@@nilz91 the # prefix is still hex. 0x is hex notation in c++ which hyprland is written in.

[@monkyyy0]

can you cover hyperland

[@vaisakh_km]

yes please cover hyprland

[@goxore1037]

We all are waiting for hyprland

[@Reichstaubenminister]

I think you took the wrong exit from hyprspace, at this point in time the video is already out.

[@rajismiley8937]

i couldnt resist giving this comment a thumbs up, soz

[@darukutsu]

Can you try this operating system it's called Linux or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux...

[@RickieJames]

Less than 24 hours after this video got posted; just seen a commit in the Hyprland repo that basically overhauls the default config file, implementing many of the QoL suggestions that you made (including references to the wiki for each section), as well as setting XCURSOR_SIZE if it isn't already set. I mean.... damn.

[@kaantax8666]

@Twilight tf is wrong with you

[@DBear8008]

Gotta love open source software

[@ShadowManceri]

When a project gets complaints about the config file only, it's in good spot.

[@carbohydratespeter361]

And they changed it in like 48 hours after the video

[@StevetendoMii]

I had heard of hyperland before, but had never used it myself. I'm just happy to see more Wayland based WMs

[@FlafyDev]

3:48 you need to set: dwindle:preserve_split=1 and then you can do a bind to toggle the split's direction: bind=SUPER,D,togglesplit,

[@HirschyKiss]

Saw this video and decided to watch it for kicks, and it's hilarious how every single piece of feedback has now been implemented.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Vaxry has done a lot of incredible work on the project

[@gamcd]

It’s just so good. Hypr (the xorg equivalent) has been so good for me recently and I like it

[@lolololo-cx4dp]

Can u give me the repo link?

[@N0zer0]

I don't use Hyperland just yet but pseudo-tiling means that windows are tiled and floating at the same time, so you can move them. Some DEs call window-snapping pseudo-tiling.

[@socvirnylestela5878]

very informative. now i know

[@boxerfencer]

Not a hyprland user but from my years with openbox, pseudo tiling is when you add in manual tiling onto a stacking wm. That way you keep all the window/mouse interactibility but can grid windows into a layout or manipulate individual windows with key bindings. So I imagine pseudo tiling in this compositor throws it into stacking mode with added or retention of key bindings for window manipulation.

[@robertturner7090]

Thanks for covering. Recently made the move to Wayland and Sway. Will definitely check this out!

[@notgate2624]

Wonderful coverage of this. You've gotten very good at articulating all the things that could be done better with the software you use.

[@the_real_briel]

Hey Brodie! I just merged a change adding arbitrary multikey and multimod, so you can use any composition of any keys (like Control_L&Space for example) also you can use multiple keys in the same way. Just use the s flag, I added a section in the docs too (:

[@taylor85345]

I've been daily driving Hyprland since late April (it helps that I wasn't doing anything mission critical, cuz it was a mess in the beginning), and the progress it has made in that time is astonishing. I came for the eye candy, but I think the customization potential using hyprctl and sockets is one of Hyprland's strongest and most underrated selling points. The active community and responsive developer are a big plus as well.

[@calorifierentertaiment6407]

Idk how to install it, i don't understand the github page, can u help me?

[@calorifierentertaiment6407]

@@taylor85345 Im sorry

[@taylor85345]

@@calorifierentertaiment6407 No worries, and I can certainly help you here if you're not on either of those platforms...

[@imhemish]

That cursor enlargement not only happens in hyprland, but also sway. I have seen that in sway when i used to run sway. The enlargement only happens when the wayland backend is running for qt. To mitigate that, you have to set a XCURSOR_SIZE variable.

[@BrodieRobertson]

I've used sway for ages now and hadn't ever seen it in my use that's why I was confused

[@imhemish]

@@BrodieRobertson Maybe when you are in sway, the qt apps may be running with xwayland, that's why you did not see them

[@maybeanonymous6846]

I've just started using Hyprland and it's the awesomest thing, the animations are so pretty and make my experience on Wayland much more comfortable

[@watynecc3309]

There's a video of someone using QEMU/KVM and VFIO with hyprland

[@AbdulRafay-vi6hz]

I have been using Hyper Window Manager and I love it. I am a person who likes customization, but I don't have much time to make my own personal config file, and so far I am loving the Hyperland Window Manager with the Arco Linux config file. It's working so well and I like it. So it's a win for me.

[@taidee]

Not heard of this before, sounds like something that might finally bring me over to Wayland.

[@mabster314]

I've been using Hyprland on my laptop for a few months now and I really love it. It's the first WM I've spent significant time ricing. My favorite feature is by far the automatic split positioning.

[@neon-original]

how do i change the wallpaper

[@mabster314]

@@neon-original I use Hyprpaper (made by the same dev) for consistency but any wayland wallpaper utility

[@neon-original]

@@mabster314 oh, cool I like swaybg since I have a static wall

[@doompenguin7453]

I wasn't using hyprland before watching this video, but now I am. I quite like it.

[@taiwbi]

It's one year passed and It's so much better now

[@umop3plsdn]

Just so everyone knows if you use waybar there is a patched version that controls hyprland workspaces on the aur too

[@defnlife1683]

Thank you for the video. I saw it recently and I was really surprised about how smooth everything looks it’s good to know that it’s in hyper development. I hope the dev continues his work. His commit history is incredible. I haven’t used it yet but I’ll have to try it out soon. I’ve always preferred dynamic window managers like DWM so this is up my alley.

[@Zeioth]

Very likely the cursor size issue you mention is inherent to Wayland, not to hyprland. You also experienced it on sway if you disable display scaling. In the end I fixed it, but it took me weeks to get it right.

[@MrG0CE]

THANKS FOR COVERING IT !!! THE MOMENT I SWITCH FROM XORG (BSPWM) TO WAYLAND, IT WILL BE WITH HYPRLAND !

[@senoraraton]

Finished my install yesterday, couldn't be more stable. Have had zero issues 5 months later.

[@jonathanalonso6492]

ok, but can you cover hyprland?

[@zeandarilho7839]

i really love hyprland. really easy to configure.

[@ribosomerocker]

I'd love if you covered Hyprland!

[@leopard3131]

Thank you. I have used AWM in the past and am wanting to try this Hyperland your review gave me just the background I need .

[@nezu_cc]

about the color thing. This is literally how colors are most commonly stored(the internal way, not user-friendly) It's usually either 0xAARRGGBB or 0xAARRBBGG. the alpha is never in the least significant byte and sometimes blue and green are also flipped. Most people know it as RGBA from HTML, and the only reason it's last is because alpha is optional there and the value doesn't have an obvious indication that it's hex like we have here. 0xRRGGBB is the same as 0x00RRGGBB, all the color bits still line up. As for being strict, I would rather It be strict than allowing things that are not 100% valid and the program is trying to guess what the user meant. I would much rather have an error message than undefined behavior.

[@BrodieRobertson]

It's not really important to me how it's stored internally what concerns is how it is displayed to the user.

[@supernenechi]

I love how that looks!

[@gabood]

For some reason i was being dumb and couldnt find where to edit keybinds. Thanks for showing it 😆

[@craigw4644]

First time hearing about it. Looks interesting. Might play with it on a VM, see if I like it.

[@mk72v2oq]

Never heard of it before, looks super hot.

[@linuxrant]

I know you know it, but it has to be mentioned, on linux you do not have to do anything manually. If you want to replace SUPER with ALT you use sed, awk or whatever other awesome tools there are :)

[@xiwi]

I can't wait for wlroots to mature.

[@DashieTM]

Nice, this video is way more calm than your reaction on discord :P

[@eclipse2445]

funny note: I actually got into hyprland because you name dropped it a few videos ago and I had to give it a shot- I fell in love with it personally and can’t go back. hyprland is very much the KDE of stand-alone wayland compositors, very cool looking but lacking polish

[@marcovitale8808]

Seems awsome, I hope it switches to a stable version/release mode very soon!

[@ikarm]

I've been using Hyprland, waybar and mako for a while now, and they work very well.

[@drsensor]

Thanks for covering the status of Hyprland

[@_MrSnrub]

you can absolutely use # to identify colors in hyprland. Also, you can use GTK variables for following your GTK+ theme

[@MrjinZin0902]

I think that's not the point. just one example of alpha S/W. I think if author can refine program then it will be really cool wm. But right now it can't be recommended. another alpha s/w in developing.

[@BrodieRobertson]

If you can use # it wasn't at all clear from the documentation

[@_MrSnrub]

@@BrodieRobertson Actually, I just went to edit something and I'm wrong. I was thinking of waybar. My bad Brodie.

[@_MrSnrub]

​@@MrjinZin0902 That wasn't the point of my comment. Hyprland has its bugs but its actually quite amazing.

[@carabouzouklis]

@@_MrSnrub not only that but bug reports get fixed very fast. I had an issue with the cursor lagging on 4k. Opened an issue and an hour later and some back and forth was fixed on master.

[@hellzbellz1234]

im running this as my daily driver on an old dell latitude es5470, so far i have had no issues with the default config, but i dont use a bar. i started setting up polybar but i ended up not using it, and performance is more than smooth enough with blur and animations enabled. id argue that hyperland is perfectly use-able atm though. i have an old emerson TV that i cant change the scaling on so it always overscans and you can add reserved space to fix the overscan in the config file, my only complaint with this is it doesnt apply in fullscreen, but that is probably by design and not really what its for.

[@DarkusObscurius]

i didn't even knew Hyprland existed, this thing will be nice as fuck when stable, i loved it!

[@bogansrun]

I just want the bar on the left with my pins, bar on the top with my app menu, open apps, clock and date with custom logos and my own formats with a little hidden tab in the lower right corner with my power and restart. I'm lazy, I do this with Xfce... So hopefully xfce does eventually do it well enough for me to keep that simplicity you speak of. ik, Desktop environment user, as I said, Lazy but still... We always want our favourite things to keep working.

[@EliteTester]

I just can't get over the fact they are bundinling wlroots, it makes hyprland unpackagable

[@stephenkbolton]

If it had awesomewm style tag system it would be a done deal for me

[@groos3449]

Hyprland is the only wayland compositor that worked without visual glitches and flickering for me

[@Volian0]

sadly for me there were a lot of visual glitches and lag when switching from X11 session to Hyprland Maybe it's the issue with my monitor, but with X11 everything works, so I don't think I'll be switching to Wayland anytime soon

[@groos3449]

@@Volian0 same with me, while Hyprland had no visual bugs it also had no features that made the switch worth it. I'll just wait for qtile to have a better wayland support and I'll probably switch

About colours: hash is comment if saw that right, and it definitely is in shell scripts, I believe that's the reason to start with 0x instead of #. It is very common with these ricing tools to use 0xAARRGGBB. It's with yabai, sketchybar, etc. uses. Android colours are ARGB, Dart colours are ARGB, it's almost everywhere ARGB that I know of. A notable exception is the rgba function in CSS. But... CSS is just... CSS...

[@BrodieRobertson]

There are certainly projects that use it but it definetly does not seem to be almost everywhere, because of things like CSS most projects I've seen use RGBA

@@BrodieRobertson yeah, we can only talk about our experiences, and we both did I guess. So that's what I meant by almost everywhere that I know of.

[@099vlad]

Well, if you think about it, rgba makes more sense since you can drop the A part and (well written) software would interpret this as a fully opaque color, and most colors in the UI are opaque, so less visual clutter in the config?

[@FrancoisRigaut]

Great vid brodie. Thanks.

[@Linuxdirk]

I’m sitting close to a 28 inch 4K display. I want to love tiling WMs but I don’t want to run everything in fullscreen or add “padding windows” I don’t need just to align my “main window” to a reasonable size.

[@faustipez]

Ok. Time to switch to Hyperland, the hype is too much to me, it looks really awesome ‼️😱🔥

[@kasergus2446]

I liked the videos and animations. I'm sitting on a xorg. I went to install the hyperland. From the beginning, I didn’t understand how to start it at all, there was no normal documentation, but in the end I figured it out. And then my cursor began to disappear when I started any application (I could point at the buttons and click, but the cursor icons were not visible). And dealt with it. But with permission. It is excellent, but before the first application. Then it flies off. I have nvidia. This, of course, is all good, the future and so on, but what is the point in this future if it is fucked up on elementary things?

[@c4llv07e]

>>10:45 Lemonbar also uses ARGB as color format. I don't know why, but is does.

[@oglothenerd]

I prefer Qtile, but dang dude! Those animations are sleek!

[@xQuandaleDinglex]

Looks awesome. Just...how do I install this on a Debian based system?

[@linuxramblingproductions8554]

It seems pretty cool although the only feature i really like is the animations the rest are neat but I don’t need

[@Little-bird-told-me]

This is how development should be done. Launch a project and fix the bugs along the way. This is open source at its best

[@braaitongs]

Never heard of hyperland till this video

[@sashimisub8536]

The cursor issue is maybe ozone-wayland-hint flag thingy

[@Ryhon]

I've only seen the ARGB color format used in Microsoft libraries, no idea why would anyone willingly use ARGB outside of Windows

[@fartsalad2456]

this man AUSTRALIAN how can I tell? He listens to Guy Contact.

[@BrodieRobertson]

I have literally no idea who that is

[@gonzalooviedo5435]

I'm using hyprland about 3 weeks now, I have steam, one TV 4k connected 60 hz, one Lenovo 32 inch 75hz working fine, RX 580, with a Xeon 2670 v3, 16 GB RAM, video wallpaper. The thing that is use Xwayland and some minor apps does not work, but it does matter. No problems with ArcoLinux, some times it crash, but I disable all the power API and energy anoying shits and all that stuff from my system and is running well. I'm happy with this, it is better than i3, use wayland and is 100 better than sway. So. I need to understand to use the keybinding, is a little difficult to catch up. I'm from Chile btw.

[@peterjansen4826]

I tried out Hyprland a few days ago. There is a lot to like, there also are twwo things not to like: lack of a built-in panel and systemtray, I like it if a window-manager bundles that like how dwm does that. Also I require tags for a window-manager, it is such a powerful feature.

[@masterofdizzzaster]

exclusion of system tray from compositor is imo a superior choice, even if most users will add it themselves. Adding feature to your setup is better than removing default feature. Just add your system tray and bar, this is linux, you are supposed to tinker with your stuff.

[@peterjansen4826]

@@masterofdizzzaster I disagree, the problem is that it doesn't nicely integrate into the panel and it doesn't have a proper hide-feature, you would have to hack it by killing it and starting it again all the time. Look, we are talking about something that is non-intrusive and literally adds no bloat in real world conditions (do you really care about less than 1 MB on a 1 TB SSD and a few MB of RAM on 16 GB or more?). Tinkering is cool but everybody needs a system-tray and system-trays are not something with which you can play, it is just a simple interface with icons and a context menu. You want to play? Use something like dwm-blocks but then for your windowmanager. There is enough to play with, a systemtray and panel should be added out of the box, at least for a good proportion of the tiling windowmanagers, I do respect niches for people who want to go all the way, that is fine.

[@masterofdizzzaster]

@@peterjansen4826 is there no proper way to hide it though? It can be in sway, i dont see why it couldnt be implemented here. Anyway, i see your point, and i understand this is a gentle balance of what is bloat and what is core. I dont agree that everyone needs a tray, i disagree even more strongly with what you propose, because it limits your choice. But i see how thats personal preference, so lets agree to disagree, meaning lets agree to forking.

[@peterjansen4826]

@@masterofdizzzaster I agree that not everyone needs a systemtray, I was being hyperbolical, I think that a large majority of the users needs a systemtray, or needs it at times. I use as many hotkeys as I can and I use the mouse as little as I can outside gaming and CAD-applications. Even for me it is easier with a systemtray for certain tasks (clipboard, screenshot-utility, occasionally a VPN). Yes, forking is great! I think that dwm found the perfect balance, letting users patch in what they need. The only big problem with dwm, it does not support Wayland and for gaming sometimes I need Wayland. Sway has a few big problems for me: problems with the systemtray not working well and no good way to hide the panel. I was hoping that hyprland would solve that problem for me, it does not. But it is promising and maybe in the future it will get there. I also looked at dwl but they don't have a panel or systemtray so that is not an alternative to dwm yet. At the moment I switch between dwm and sway when I play certain games (notably Mass Effect LE).

[@masterofdizzzaster]

@@peterjansen4826 how do you want bar to behave? I am on sway, when i hit menu it toggles, overlaps other windows without resizing them. If this is intended behavior for you i can share my dot file for this

[@thingsiplay]

ARGB format is not that uncommon. From what I read in older days ARGB was faster to read/parse, as it is just a single 32-bit value, compared to RGBA as 4 x 8-bit values. Don't ask me the details, I just read that in Wikipedia.

[@BrodieRobertson]

Nowadays most projects use RGBA, and don't bother inclusing 0x

[@thingsiplay]

@@BrodieRobertson The 0x is probably just to distinguish the format from RGBA, but can't confirm it now. Maybe you can try to remove the 0x yourself and it would default to RGBA format? At least this support could be achieved without compatibility breakage just like that.

[@anon_y_mousse]

Since I'm late to comment I'll just add that when you see a hex color code, you can generally tell which is the alpha channel by it either being fully on or off. Obviously not every time, like with primary colors and the like, but with a lot of these modern designs where everything has be semi-randomized values. Wait a minute, don't you also program? I seem to have a vague recollection of you mentioning that once.

[@denizkendirci]

Actually, can you cover cagebreak? Its config syntax seems more complicated than ratpoison, that's why i avoid trying it yet.

[@Blessed2bFresh]

Looks great!

[@DKLHensen]

Firefox is substantially less smooth under hyprland than it is under sway. Why? hyprland is just not ready yet

[@techmouse.]

10:55 I take it you haven't done much with Conky then. Or more specifically, the Cairo library within Conky. All color codes are 0x______. It might seem unusual but it's more common than you think. EDIT: LOL! I just noticed the pinned comment. "More common than I had thought" Yup. It sure is.

[@nklhtv]

aarrggbb is the default format on android too

[@JosephSaintClair]

If it can do manual tiling mode. I might look at it.

[@sm0na]

What a coincidence, I just started trying out Hyprland yesterday! Did you have to take any steps to get xdg-desktop-portal-wlr working? That's the only thing preventing me from switching, since flameshot and screencast are working in sway but not hyprland.

[@headspacetheace]

would love to start using this once I have an AMD GPU and it's more reliable

[@hellzbellz1234]

im running this as my daily driver on an old dell latitude es5470, so far i have had no performance issues, if you like trying new things id definetly give it a shot

[@headspacetheace]

@@hellzbellz1234 my problem rn is mainly using Nvidia on Wayland, rather be able to use my gpus features even if Wayland is really nice

[@umop3plsdn]

get ready to fall in love

[@seanrileyhawkins4511]

Been thinking of trying out a new WM hyprland seems nice, but needs abit more time to become stable. Might try it when it has a stable release.

[@raptorcitos]

I love hyprland but I hate the "super" key abuse to be used and cannot use it with mouse only. I would love it more if there would be windows, minimizing, alt+tab uses plus everything that we got with hyprland, workspaces and floating windows aren't comfortable enough to use it. Sure workspaces and virtual desktop are useful tools but with gnome embracing tiling I'll be switching when it's out. Too many workspaces makes difficult to find or reorder apps and makes way more time consuming than minimizing and fixing any new windows size it's tiring to me, time will tell if there will be changes but I don't think it's the scope of hyprland.

[@srivathsansudarsanan3372]

I love how Wayland is developing. I think this is one of the very few tiling manager for Wayland. Problem for me is the laptop for PC users there is way less configuration of things like screen, touchpad, battery etc.. since Wayland completely rejects those features and asks the window manager people to cover those. So for me Wayland is still too early. I would love to ditch the old xorg but still some features are not ported yet.

[@magnusanderson6681]

KDE Wayland is pretty buggy but has configuration for all those things. Still not sure if I'd recommend it, but I use it and its mostly good.

[@srivathsansudarsanan3372]

@@magnusanderson6681 that's the thing friend Wayland is good from programming perspective, but for real life usage it's far from functional. Wayfire, sway, wlroots are all in alpha stage.

[@Shadow.w]

10:34 Well I guessed it would be bright pink based on RBGA for the col.active_border without converting it and well I was actually spot on that it would be a bright pink based on that hexcolor but if its ARGB, I was wrong with that guess in that it's actually bright blue, but I am in the same boat as him in that I've never seen it interpreted as ARGB before as a graphic designer and artist myself, it's always been RGBA for me.

[@OcteractSG]

The RTFM guys have no ammo with this wiki

[@MnemonicCarrier]

What's the text editor you're using? Looks really cool!

[@max_im_um]

That colour format is standard HTML. Extremely common, some I even know by heart (0x000000 for black, 0xffffff for white, etc).

[@BrodieRobertson]

ARGB is absolutely not, RBGA is

[@tui3264]

@@BrodieRobertson ARGB is pretty common in Game Dev too

[@wllgrffn]

I hope you created github issues for the quirks you're pointing out

[@smokeymcpot1092]

Looks promising

[@Psoewish]

You should really cover hyprland. 😌

[@OktavianiFriska]

Can you cover hyprland?

[@linuxramblingproductions8554]

One of the things you complained about it is rather then using a mod key variable you have to manually specify it for every entry why not just make your own variable? Im genuinely wondering does hyperlands config file not support it or something since that sounds easy to fix

[@etopowertwon]

4:55 shows that you can define $variables. So you probably can

[@haquire]

hey, you should check out hyprland

[@DartMitai]

I use it but I couldn't figure it out "Window Rules"

[@thingsiplay]

Please cover hyprland... ... again!

[@그냥사람-e9f]

Finally, a wayland alternative to my goofy ahh picom fork (it's 3 different forks mashed together)

[@nonetrix3066]

Please cover Hyprland thanks.

[@AshtonSnapp]

Can you cover the LURE (Linux User REpository) project? It’s basically an attempt to make a universal AUR, still in very early stages afaik though.

[@BrodieRobertson]

I heard about it and have been meaning to cover it

[@imhemish]

its still like the makdeb package repository (MPR) which is a clone of aur for debian, they even have a aurweb clone. But all of those projects who start with the motive of making universal AUR, never can get the full momentum due to obvious limitations and differences between packagings of system. Although these projects get wide coverage initially, but they later just slow down

[@BrodieRobertson]

@@imhemish that's what I've come to in the video I'm planning

[@puspamadak]

Looks like a good KDE Plasma killer :)

[@wombatdk]

Lost me on "tiling". Why would I limit my screen real estate like that? Furthermore, why on earth use a TEXT config if I am in a GUI environment? If people like console so much, just run in text mode and don't bother with a mouse.

[@wyfyj]

The mouse issue is the same for me. But on qtile and gtk applications.

[@linuxfan2104]

wow, open obs,discord, terminal and it consume 2.4GB ram ??? does it lightweight like bspwm polybar picom?

[@samzeng9918]

I switched from dwm to hyprland. and felt better.

[@Tala2n]

I'm more interrested by Vivarium because it is more minimal (no animations, no rounded corners...)

[@Ja.KooLit]

yes