I Asked 40 Melee Players Who They Hate Playing Against

Every few years, we've gotta take everyone's temperature on which characters can kick rocks.
I asked over 40 people, almost virtually NO ONE SAID FOX?! Can't get over that. Crazy. Maybe melee is in a good place :D
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[@gamecow2]

Actually putting the stage up there when HMW said fd got me good. Good vid

[@nilpholan]

had to keep the bit going o7

[@hnazgul]

Of course Wizzy's answer reflects his innate purity

[@bloodeyes1690]

we have come so far as a community

[@nilpholan]

I did, in fact, do this three and six years ago, respectively. Results are on this channel as "Mad Melee"

[@OfficialTigerino]

aMSa singly handed moving Yoshi into higher tiers, again

[@beardalaxy]

ice climbers, before wobbling was banned

[@nilpholan]

i already made that video @@beardalaxy

[@il100374]

Icies would've been wayyyyy higher too lmao

[@kikewickens6324]

Wizzrobe being based asf unsurprisingly. Long live melee ❤

[@chemicalfusion1320]

The FD Pick instead of characters is so based it's true

[@bman420_]

great editing, the flow from comment to comment was really good, not to mention the gameplay to go with what they are saying 👍

[@nilpholan]

thank you for noticing, really tried to create some fluidity

[@roundupssbm]

surprised sheik and ics aren't higher, really fun vid :)

[@McWickyyyy]

I was thinking the same haha

[@LightKnight_Age_Of]

Banning wobbling moved them down several spots.

[@kyeperson8041]

Wholesome Wizzy

[@125conman]

Even though only one person called out Luigi, as i Luigi main i still feel attacked by his painful words.

[@nilpholan]

it's def harsh, but you have to remember: Luigi's Italian

[@leonblum816]

There is my man reporting on my favourite eSport again. Thanks for the good work!

[@nilpholan]

o7 my brother 💖

[@cjkmelee]

I really REALLY want to say my most hated character is fox I hate fox SO much But I can't honestly say that my personal melee hell involves playing fox for eternity And in that spirit, I gotta go with Ness

[@242bleek]

Really thought Sheik would be higher on this list or #1. Maybe top players don't see her as big of a threat.

[@illford]

She's kind of just a well rounded character tbh

[@matty3501]

It's because like half the top 100 play spacies and they destroy sheik :)

[@242bleek]

@@matty3501 True, but unless you're a near perfect spacie player low level Sheiks will shit all over you.

[@Howzieky]

Great editing! This was super easy and fun to watch

[@nilpholan]

thank you for noticing!

[@noahkelly8907]

The k up character that is able to make me rage in melee is Luigi. (Mainly online). Really fun when they turn on their lag switch, do one wavedahs across the whole stage, and then throw out a frame 1 Aireal.

[@DazlMusic]

Amsa 2v1ing that guy's friends and probably him too while smiling is the most Amsa thing ever

[@Duffy_SSBM]

Luigi way too underhated here

[@dyedye2]

🥲

[@sirtymoo]

Fun video, love seeing content like this that highlights more of the community

[@liampullman1198]

0:20 Those pretzels are delicious

[@nilpholan]

lets goooooo

[@Azel954]

good vid captures the modern melee scene well

[@treehann]

I hate Luigi because it’s humiliating to lose to him and he’s just a stupid guy

[@RedGamer321]

It's actually crazy to see some of my friends in this video

[@illford]

Only character i never care too much about watching is Fox ig. Idk getting hit by fox isn't very fun and i like my hands to feel good

[@jordanmeyer-bass4557]

Sheik dodging bullets out here

[@mjdevlog]

aMSa's middle finger makes my day

[@nilpholan]

he really is a legend

[@chad0ch0]

Waff spittin tho 💯

[@nilpholan]

always does

[@MetaKnight68]

As a Peach main I agree with the Peach votes. We're degenerates and her toolkit is so fun and intuitive to me, but a little part of my conscience dies when somebody accidentally crouch-cancels the 50th down-smash I've thrown out that match. (Of course good Peach play is so much more than that move, but at low-to-mid-level way too many players get hit by it way more often than they should)

[@Evan_242]

Yeah, that's why I love to be a marth main because you can space that and if you're tight, you will never be hit by this move and that's awesome. Love this mu

[@RiggedandReady]

As fox I'll run into it all the time but I'm never mad about it. Peach is a blast to play against. I enjoy the combo routes on her.

[@kwonza-gamingandanime5727]

@@RiggedandReady You're the real one for saying that. I love playing against good Fox players as Peach. I think it's so fun-both sides can mess each other up if you play well.

[@triple.c.]

great movie, phil

[@nilpholan]

omg its triple c! letsgoooo

[@MetiCu]

HMW spit in this video. Many other takes in this video are heavily biased hot garbage perpetuated by people who don't actually understand how the characters work

[@nilpholan]

how many people in this video do you think you can beat in a bo3 set?

[@MetiCu]

Already have beaten bbatts and tamus in a bo3, the rest I've never played. But even then an iron man is a more fitting test of your overall understanding of every character in the game and the only people in this vid who have a chance of beating me in that, are Moky and Zain.

[@nilpholan]

@@MetiCu the only thing funnier than thinking you can beat Amsa is dictating sweeping, specific terms on which you will categorically lose to Amsa. Please do your best to come at this video from a place of lighthearted jabbing humor or take your weird unchecked ego elsewhere

[@MetiCu]

@@nilpholan 99.9% of melee players wouldn't beat amsa in a bo3 so I fail to see why that matters or is relevant. I wasn't even referring to Amsa's take specifically because I agree with his, peach's downsmash is cringe. I just think takes like milkman's that falco fox is "70-30" is a meme. Like you play one of the most OP characters in the game that is just pure cope man. Idk what to tell you.

[@nilpholan]

@@MetiCu you're taking this whole thing way too seriously

[@ASTR0NAUT_G0D]

2:59 actually cracked me up lol

[@eryxviper]

1:04 I have never thought about it that way but fuck me if that isnt spot on.

[@SillyGnome]

1:04 as a Luigi main that’s 100% true but heeeey come on

[@jiyucy]

genuinely surprised Luigi didn't even end up on the board

[@Brennanrr]

I would love to hear what bobby big ballz has to say about his least favorite character

[@urallnoobs8943]

4:56 soonsay cracks me up, and that clip only makes it better

[@rapidretrovenue563]

That mf owes me a set he got me dq'd one time when I was up against him 😠😠😠

[@MrGetownedLP]

Based Wizzrobe take

[@Nawakooo0]

0:40 Where does that footage come from?

[@afinetap]

was that bbatts at 2:00 funny af lol

[@nilpholan]

the one and only!

[@ChamAramis]

Not a single Fox? I hate it so much. Maybe I just suck.

[@TrueSilenceIsaLie]

Flash with the most based answer

[@nilpholan]

single handedly redeeming the state of Ohio of all wrongdoing

[@prizm9515]

Wizzrobe had the best answer. Lol

[@Sonick92]

I can feel the rage through their thoughts. We need a sanctioned boxing ring to settle the scores.

[@nilpholan]

this video is that

[@danielfrydman1136]

how did more people not say luigi that is actually the vain of my existence

[@LilKiwi2240]

As falco its fox. Honestly when you're plahing Falco you generally get to be a bit more spacy but still rushdoen aggressive and mean bevause he has wonderful combo tools, but against fox you pretty much have to play spacy because fox is simply faster than you. As Dr. Mario its easily Marth. His up special is one of the hardest out of the top teirs to Cape, his spacing can keep doc far enough away so that doc cant exactly get in good combos, and docs linear recovery pattern makes for easy spacing for D-tilts and F-smashes

[@spicy_taco2267]

Kinda thought I was alone on the falco laser hate. I main falco but I never laser like most falcos do. I’ll throw one out sometimes for a mixup but I know how lasers make me feel in a mirror and I don’t wish that upon my worst enemy. I’d rather lose than win because of lasers

[@Jon-of6pd]

Falco dittos are so annoying if your playing a laser camping Falco. If neutral b was banned from the ditto it would be a top 5 match up easily

[@Ponderething]

Its tough because its such a good tool, but you feel bad playing it. At least spamming it, Im still the noob that does two approaching lazers and then dairs. If im in tournament (or losing in ranked) then i feel less bad.

[@volvomoneygang1178]

bro was spitting in 1:54

[@DrBepis-jo7qt]

After wobbling was banned, I don’t find myself hating any of the characters with one exception just based on character moveset. Ganondorf feels like the biggest waste of a slot because his moveset is literally just Falcon’s but worse. Even incorporating the sword in his smash attacks didn’t do much to make him unique.

[@99Fishing_]

Gotta love Wizzy

[@wicho556]

Lestsgoooo peach 🎉

[@rationalbeast]

Not one person said Fox? Insane.

[@Aoi_Tori_]

Great video

[@nilpholan]

Thanks for watching :,)

[@Rael0505]

That guy who hates no one is pure of heart

[@yorkie4295]

“I don’t like his vibes”

[@ChamplooMusashi]

please get bobby on the mic

[@nilpholan]

which one

[@ChamplooMusashi]

the chicken man@@nilpholan

[@beardalaxy]

bobby's balls were too big for his own good

[@caffiend453]

Wizzy my goat

[@BeansGreens4]

Coming melee alive I love it!

[@lasagnahog7695]

A character being "too easy" is the most hater shit. I know this is just fun and I'm for sure not judging anyone but it's always hilarious to me. One of those insults that are actually a compliment. "It's too easy for you to beat me".

[@nilpholan]

thank you for playing along haha

[@joemanginaa]

I honestly thought Marth would get more hate

[@unclejaws1999]

Sweet video! I really enjoyed it

[@nilpholan]

hell yeah, ty!

[@1v1ed]

U ask mid level and marth wins unanimously lmaooo

[@Jon-of6pd]

You ask any Marth player and it's a mid tier lol. I respect it tho fuck ganon

[@DP3mo24hofosho]

What is mid level

[@FlamingZelda3]

Thank you. This vid really had me scratching my head with how non-existant the marth hate was (I'm a marth main btw, he's awful.)

[@dddmemaybe]

@@DP3mo24hofosho @DP3mo24hofosho Smack dab "level" between casual players and top players. Prolly like standard local tournament (typically 8-100 entrants) players who can get a game/match win here and there but don't win events too much.

[@Ponderething]

As a falco player, its gotta be Luigi. At least playing against him. Just un comboable cuz floaty and nair, and i hate his dair. Otherwise I support all characters, even Luigi. I just hate fighting him.

[@TheUltraBall8675]

As a new Mario main starting one day ago and already destroying level 9 cpu's, I hate fighting Mewtwo. Also nobody hates Mario! Yippee!

[@SSB_Seal]

Funny video, thanks for making this!

[@nilpholan]

hell yeah thank you my goat 🙌

[@drinkmug]

puff hate at an all time low we need to change this.

[@TheAlmightyBassist]

Hoborg still hating falco is hilarious

[@egebamyasi2929]

Sheik, blergh

[@nilpholan]

I want you to know this is a safe space, and you are heard and understood

[@YogurtGaming69]

Peach spams down smash makes the player base look like brainlets

[@thegamingguy1]

Definitely peach. Only character in the game that will legitimately beat you by doing nothing. They literally never even have to come near you the entire game and they'll still win.

[@deejay4139]

Lmfao at ranking #7

[@nilpholan]

gotta max out on representation

[@aplsed]

I am SHOCKED that neither Falco _or_ Marth won the hate-off.

[@Impact009]

The guy who said Peach and Falco were tied for him had his vote counted for Peach, so it's not like Falco lost the hate-off.

[@frogchip6484]

Absolutely amazed by the lack of fox, even as a fox main that character is bullshit

[@JeronDalton]

As a player still learning how to play competitively, out of all the matches I've played. Puff is the most boring to play against, and Marth is the most frustrating. He just has no lag, and unmatched spacing. I can't approach him

[@riffz6065]

It's so crazy that Peach is #1. Half those mfers never played her and clearly don't know how hard she is to play and be good.

[@nilpholan]

how does that, in any way, refute their experience playing against her?

[@riffz6065]

@@nilpholan Because they would then understand that getting bodied by her isn't as cheap/easy as they seem to think.

[@thegamingguy1]

🤓​@@riffz6065

[@TimeEnthusiast]

Was that squid?

[@aahpy]

amazing video fr

[@nilpholan]

i dont mess around o7

[@Sleeepy.]

Every character has something unique and cool about them But FUCK Luigi anyways

[@izmizzle]

Yo is that wizzrobe? What a G being the first to speak fax

[@nilpholan]

none other!

[@unapologeticasshat9214]

I like how Moky avoided saying Peach to not show his mald for the character like everyone else. I know how much that man hates Peach. My most hated is Fox and Fox players, they all think they have the grand right to win because they play the top tier and anyone who challenges their narrative is "this that or the other thing". Your character is far more potentially lame than even Puff because of its speed, You never have to interact ever. I'd rather fight Puffs than a Fox who camps. At least Jigglypuffs will try to scrap nowadays, Fox's are so lame they might as well not be able to walk.

[@andrewwebb624]

Fox is the most buffedcharacter by slippi as well 2 frames of buffer FAR helps spacies more than anyone else but on Lan when you aren't getting carried by waveshining being 2 frames easier you have to actually be tight lmao

[@lohn2559]

@@andrewwebb624 that’s not how it works at ALL

[@djhooker8782]

@@andrewwebb624that’s not how slippi works. There is no 2 frame buffer. That 2 frame that it shows is a delay to emulate console play. Although the audio delay (an emulator un optimization) definitely buffs fox and falco since it makes side b very hard to react to

[@andrewwebb624]

@@djhooker8782 ah alright my b I think I may have gotten that mixed up with how waveshining is really hard when ypu are not hitting any body but super easy when you actually hit a character or shield because the hitlag is like gannon stomp for some reason lmao

[@dissect123]

I like to believe your initial question was "who do you hate most in melee?" and everyone just answers "Leffen". What we see here is just the second take.

[@nilpholan]

I feel like a lot of the people I spoke to have known or interacted with Leffen personally to some degree and would, in fact, not say that at all. go outside

[@MorphBall1]

Wizzy with the godtier answer as expected.

[@diegomo1413]

Amsa is the melee authority. Peach is broken. All armada wins are null and void. Llod, go back to being a doctor or something 😌

[@epicwashcloth5677]

As a link main, If I could I would pick ONLINE sheiks. They chain throw dair w no remorse. I'm not great at the game but getting Dthrowed until I die from a fair on the edge of the stage doesn't feel good. All other mu and irl sheiks are fun

[@MikeyCyan]

0 foxs? Doubts.

[@yorkie4295]

welcome back!

[@nilpholan]

feels gr8 m8, thank you

[@pirijuamps]

I fucking love wizzrobe

[@Evan_242]

I don't think stating marth is unfair because he has a sword is a good argument because roy 😂 but yeah I can see why he could be hated. Playing him for ten years and he's broken and I love it. Hard to find the rhytme with him sometime tho but once you find it oh man

[@matty3501]

As a marth hater myself my main gripe isnt the sword or the range (although that is a pain with any low mobility character) but the fact that he just has good spacing built into some of his animations. He ducks way down while dashing away and makes it rly difficult to hit him unless u way overshoot, and when he uptilts he twists his body away and causes short moves to whiff at close range

[@matty3501]

It legit feels like any marth with a decent dashdance game is so slippery and impossible to hit unless they shield

[@ggjcggg]

I hate fox because I main puff

[@RobertAntonyJameson]

I just hate melee players online.

[@dustincutri6514]

Nobody hates pichu?

[@bby7630]

Easy Luigi or ice climbers

[@NVUSAttitude]

the lack of people saying ice climbers for wobbling which is the most BRAINLESS SHIT is insane, difficulty or not, wobbling should be held to a high scrutiny for the lack of brains it takes to play that shitass character(s?) i guess wobbling is banned now but still, IC is my go-to hatred for that mantra, even if wobbling is banned

[@nilpholan]

already made a video like that before wobbling was banned, it's on my channel and it's called "Mad Melee 2"

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

As a Peach "main" I hate peach. I should clarify Peach is my best character for some reason but I dont really main anyone I just play like 80% of the roster. Anyways Peach is stupid and easy and down smash is broken, RNG and items are lame... but at the same time she can be hella hype with the right rng and the right DI. But I understand the dislike of most characters. Almost every character has some OP move that just feels lame. Except Ganon and Mario I feel like both of those characters are hype and dont really have a busted move. Marios cape against spacies is kinda lame but because it feels lame to do its not a big problem.

[@happymonkeyfish]

I live for the puff hate

[@Penguno45]

Lmao this is a great vid, I'd say icies prob

[@nilpholan]

thanks for checkin it out!

[@wicklash9065]

I agree with wizzrobe.

[@thecclan2]

That chick trashing everyone below top 6 is incredibly based

[@SSB_Seal]

That's jade!

[@roblikestoskate]

Idk man. A Marth main calling mid tiers brainless takes some ballz

[@LilKiwi2240]

Bro, if she was like Fox or sum'n I'd respectfully disagree. But she plays the king of get you off stage and down tilt until he feels comfortable to F smash I'm salty cuz I play doc and doc just has no fucking tools against Marth other than pill spacing

[@chainswordcs]

someone playing a mid to low tier character is using more brain power than most marth and falco mains

[@burntfish123]

Falco because falco players pick the coolest most combey character and just camp instead

[@adamj6853]

I have come to the conclusion on this video that I hate every melee not for their character but for their character bias

[@ep1499]

Anyone who plays any of the Marios has something wrong with them

[@aschneider8912]

Legit thought thered be more Sheik hate, I feel like she's really good at intermediate-advanced ish levels of play

[@Megatwilightwarrior]

A lot of these were top 100 players so sheik is p honest there

[@beardalaxy]

game and watch because he's only used by sociopaths who are trying to style on noobs