I Asked Bungie Why They Made Airborne Effectiveness

[@AscendantNomad]

I hope that my questions rode the line of firm but fair, and I hope I represented everyone's issues and thoughts regarding the AE system as we have experienced it up until this point. If I could have done better, please let me know below. This was a special moment for me and I'm forever grateful to be given the opportunity to speak to Bungie on a contentious topic. Thank you for watching.

[@d3po607]

thank you for making this video can you please tell bungie to start making quaterly surveys to all their players. tell them to give us the option for in DEPTH surveys please just telll them that

[@Deeteek]

Tons of respect and admiration for both of you!

[@lumistrad]

You managed to hit a good balance. You asked to the hard questions and got the answers many wanted.

[@zombiepicnic9683]

You asked excellent questions, listened to the answers, then followed up with more relevant questions and/or discussion. That's what made this so successful. I feel like I understand more about the methodology of development after this interview. The more people who see this, the better the feedback will be in the future. You have done the Destiny community a service AN. You also displayed that people can have passionate opinions and disagreements, yet still have a respectful discourse. Good job all around. Congrats!

[@darkspiro6467]

I wish one question you would of ask is what they thought of the community reaction

[@RTB1400]

Yo no way! Shoutouts to Chris for accepting this interview regarding a feverishly hot topic. These "under the hood" conversations are incredibly enlightening both in understanding Bungie's pov as devs and how to buildcraft better.

[@OSTATEboi419]

I think if Bungie did even one of these a season with notable destiny content creators, it would go a long way toward improving their relationship with the community.

[@seb5542]

@@OSTATEboi419 I'm pretty sure they've done an interview with the firing range podcast nearly every season since they started doing it.

[@OSTATEboi419]

@@seb5542 I actually didn't know they were that frequent. Ill have to keep up with it.

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

@@seb5542 its honestly felt like more than that lmao

[@TraumaTrae]

@@OSTATEboi419 although to be fair, Bungie definitely provides more updates and is more open with the community than most of the other live service game devs

[@ShadowDestiny]

It has been so cool seeing the devs communicate more via podcasts and stuff like this in recent years. Especially for more nuanced topics like this. Thank you Chris!

[@jamescruz8678]

Honestly, despite my current grievances with the game right now, this interview has made me appreciate just how much work Bungie has to do. Live service games are no joke.

[@Legoleflash]

Nomad this is so incredible. Thank you Chris for coming on to do this. Love the back and forth!

[@RTB1400]

35:24 (mostly in jest) Sad to see Nomad bad mouthing Whistlers Whim after @Legeleflash made such banger videos showcasing its strengths. I'm still gonna run it 😜

[@Spike2276]

I really love that Chris is so open to doing this type of stuff, hearing from the devs and knowing the hows and whys of D2 is very nice

[@CastleContent]

32:41 My Thorn says otherwise 😤 (Also the fact Chris was willing to do this interview is remarkable tbh, great job hosting him Nomad!)

[@CaydeVanlue1999]

I just want to say: I love your calmness Nomad, your way of asking questions, making conversation. It makes it very easy to listen to. Also huge thumbs up to Chris for taking the time to do the interview.

[@Truds]

Let’s go! Love these interviews with Chris Proctor! Excellent insights and always very honest!

[@wafelkai3154]

Chris is the absolute best. He's always willing to do these kinds of interviews that gives more transparency on the thought process behind the stuff being put in the game. Protect this man at all costs.

[@beshman]

Dude, shout out to you on the interview and Chris for offering his time and feedback. What a great ambassador for Bungie. Class acts in this vid!

[@MattEnters]

I love how open the Weapons team has been with the community, with Firing Range Podcast appearances and now this video!! I hope in the future we can get similar communications from some of the other teams like Abilities and Armor. Super excited to listen to the whole thing!!

[@awee1564]

I fucking love watching Chris talk about weapons and stuff

[@blakegaulden9047]

That re-explanation on the aim cones was so helpful, for the first time I feel like I actually fully understand the concept.

[@absenteechild8542]

I can't think of anyone I'd prefer to do this interview. You managed to ask specific and tough questions without it coming off as an attack or argumentative

[@CamoraGhoul]

Hats off to Chris, I love the transparency he brings to the table every time he has a chance to speak with the community. Good work!

[@Aj-py8en]

19:58 I think there's a small audio issue. Kinda funny that it happened in the communication issues section.

[@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU]

In case its not been commented there's a bunch of audio echos and robotting here and there, but i assume thats on the audio recording itself or something and not an editing error

[@RuseVeil]

That wizard of oz Reverb effect during the communication section I know was a recording issue, but I loved that it happened during the communication section of the interview hehehe. It's the little things. Great video! Excellent interview!

[@AscendantNomad]

I thought I caught everything, goddamnit. These larger projects are such a nightmare to edit lol

[@hend0wski]

Yo dude this is huge hell yeah. This was so easy to follow and the amount of ease with witch this conversation flowed is so refreshing for these interviews man. I gotta say sometimes these dev interviews feel so awkward but this felt like homies chatting and I fuck with it.

[@soooluscious5636]

Awesome video! This was so cool of Chris to come on and chat about all the difficulties and challenges surrounding a system that was generally not well received. I love any time I get to hear him chat about weapons systems and design. I'm always fascinated when we get a little peek behind the curtain on what makes Destiny gunplay so much fun.

[@Sentient_Napkin]

Chris Proctor is one of the best game devs currently working in the industry. Always great to hear what he has to say. Great interview Nomad.

[@agoon7092]

Very informative. Well done. Really appreciate Mr Proctors willingness to answer every question honestly and as best he can. And you did a great, balanced job actually preferred this format over the podcast format, I hope you can keep doing this kind of interview in the future.

[@Hi_Im_Saber]

Well formatted questions Nomad and thank you to Chris and other Bungie employees for continuing to do these mini interviews. It's always interesting to hear about the hard work that goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure most of us look forward to continuing to hear more about many of the future changes coming in Lightfall and beyond.

[@GreyGamingGG]

Thank you for doing this Nomad, so awesome to hear the more nuanced conversation behind all of these topics. Adds so much understanding to these systems and the decisions behind them.

[@Welter117]

Great interview Nomad and big ups to Chris. We appreciate the transparency and behind the scenes dude!

[@jarredmcmeekin9936]

Just saying I’m very glad that Chris does so many interviews with the community. He’s had to discuss AE for so long in the spotlight with such a negative connotation associated with AE. It’s rly brave and courageous and I’m glad that he still takes the time to have a conversation about all this stuff despite the community outlash of such systems or changes.

[@darkwolf704]

Really well done Nomad thanks so much for the work you put into this man!

[@YouStayClassySanDiego]

That was really cool to watch. Very neat to get really down in the nitty gritty of things. Some of the upcoming changes have me a bit hesitant, but I know I've overreacted to pending changes in the past, so we'll have to wait and give them a chance to settle in. A lot of the other upcoming changes - both mid season and in Lightfall are pretty exciting from the get go. Thanks Ascendant Nomad!

[@lumistrad]

This was so cool to watch. I'm really stoked that you got to do this interview with Chris. Happy to hear the explanations and rational behind the dev teams decisions.

[@thegamestreak]

I would listen to game devs talk about their games and processes all day if I could. Good stuff Nomad.

[@TheShadowPhoenix]

I absolutely loved getting to listen in on this! Thank you both :)

[@seraph_prime]

This is fantastic, love hearing developers talk about the game.

[@daveadams6489]

Nomad, thank you very much for doing this. I think you conducted yourself well, held a good conversation and presented a lot of solid community feedback in a respectful and measure manner with Chris. I'm very grateful to Chris (and doubtless many less publicly visible people at Bungie) for taking this interview and being willing to have this candid conversation. Thank you.

[@BahamutBreaker]

Great interview! I think it’s important for Destiny players to understand that developers - particularly lead/head developers at a large studio, like Bungie - have a ton on their plates at work. Taking the time aside to do a 45 minute live interview is not a small sacrifice. It’s also a big risk for someone like Proctor to answer questions like these candidly, on the fly, in a way that’s simultaneously honest and potentially open to misinterpretation by thousands of viewers. If I’m not mistaken, Proctor is the same guy who was harassed/threatened by reddit users in 2022. If so, he deserves a lot of credit for stepping up to this interview. In short, Proctor was not obligated to do this, and probably made his job harder by doing it, but he did it anyway. Hopefully the community appreciates that.

[@riatsila144]

Great interview, and very informative, thank you for facilitating, and thank you Chris, for taking the time out to talk to us all!

[@jayjay6156]

I like how Nomad asked the questions, he didn't beat around the bush or asked questions tentatively like they sometimes do on the Firing Range show

[@somethinstubby5928]

Thank you Chris and Thank you Nomad

[@Stumpypigeon]

Thanks to you and Chris for this conversation! Nice to hear the reasoning behind these changes from Chris and the rest of the team.

[@CodeYaMaster]

Really good video and cool to see bungie folks explaining their thought process. One thing I'd like to hear more about, something you went in depth on with primary weapons, is special weapons, specifically jump sniping. What their thought process behind that is, what AE build I'd need to hit those if it looks like I'm on target. Another major point would be stompees, ofc not necessarily something a weapons lead could go into detail on, but maybe he has some insight. If there would ever be a way hit a jump snipe with stompees, or why they got hit so unnecessarily hard in the first place, it felt like stompees hunter weren't allowed to participate in this new system at all

[@KLGChaos]

I admit, I do get a smidge worried when they say they "listen to the streaming/content creator" community so much. There are plenty of people who are passionate about the game that don't create content or aren't top tier pvp players but really enjoy it. And I feel far too many streamers think those people are unimportant.

[@AscendantNomad]

That's why I didn't want to go even deeper than I did, because it would go to the levels only the 1% actually care and get angry about. Always mindful of the fact that there's a wider community at hand.

[@MatthewHearl]

Honestly, this was absolutely brilliant! I think the recent Firing Range Podcast was a good start on the comms on this topic, but your interview here was a perfect way to finish it up. It did help open some eyes on the entire process, especially timelines and what goes on behind the scenes, and you were very fair and firm on your questions to pull the information we truly wanted to know and provide the clarity we really need and desired. I am looking forward to the buff to come and hope it is THE final change required to make in-air gunplay feel good again!

[@waluigiguy9859]

Nomad this is really excellent, you have a great skill with communicating these questions clearly and weeding out confusion on these. Better than any interview I've seen in the community.

[@froggb0y]

YOO you got the GOAT with you! Thats so hype! Im looking forward to the changes both in the meta and the AE in lightfall

[@Silencers]

Proctor out moving such colossal weights in shifting community sentiments for the better. Props, my man.

[@SamuelMindel]

Nice job interviewing. Huge props to Chris!

[@XboneMalone]

Always good to hear direct from Bungie. Chris always comes across really well, and I think he's a crucial part in the to and fro between the players and Bungie/Dev team. Good interview.

[@DaeRiyonRStaton]

So we not gonna talk about how Chris activated the “Witness” preset on his Darkness Autotune during this interview?! 🤣😂

[@cabooseshero]

This is was a wonderful interview thanks Nomad and Chris. Really great info here.

[@negativ_kd9248]

Time out. 4 minutes in, you absolutely have to ask why they thought AE was in a good spot when they initially shipment. That is an incredibly important question that provides insight into what exactly they envision for PvP

[@kxpler442b_7]

Guys Ascendant Nomad has been hacked, his name has been changed to ChatGPT. Don't unsub from this channel just wait for him to figure it out

[@robsheppard5353]

Great interview! I'm so glad Bungie is willing to talk about their development thought process.

[@grandmas_special_boyy]

chris proctor is a legend, never seen someone so willing to jump up and discuss whatever you got lol his confidence and knowledge make him THAT GUY. Thanks dudes!!

[@joemurray]

Personally as a stompee hunter this ae change has significantly decreased weekly playtime. Really enjoyed your questions

[@fryler5865]

Chris P for Galactica Overlord? He has my vote. This video was awesome. Always love a detailed look at these types of changes. Awesome interview!

[@fryler5865]

@ascendantnomad2908 I won?! Lucky me!

[@andrec.b.6875]

Mas props to Chris for coming out and giving such a comprehensive interview regarding such a contentious topic! Respect and thank you! I'm a disgruntled Stompies main btw lol

[@pencilswordfish]

Looking under the hood of why Destiny's gunplay feels godly. Love this behind the scenes stuff I could listen to this all day. Chris Proctor is the best.

[@Jagtress]

Oh hawt damn! Being able to talk to Mr Proctor about the accuracy cones and AE and how it looks on their side as well as how we kinda understand it is helpful. One graphic doesn't really give us a lot, so thanks for weeding that out so it makes more sense. As always Nomad, you're awesome. Thanks for the video 😀

[@danieljrea]

So I really enjoyed this but if you're asking for feedback (which you're not), it's that your questions felt more like an interrogation, and also often were phrased as closed questions (e..g, "yes/no questions"). Keeping it more open could allow for a more positive and open discussion forum. Anyways, nice job you and Chris!

[@AscendantNomad]

I appreciate the feedback!

[@ripp123m]

Did he just said "Destiny isnt particularly an airborne game"??? HUH?? so why the hell warlocks has a specific exotic to be airborne? why even have heat rise as an aspect for warlocks? why does titan ever get lion rampart? we just got a new smg exotic that promotes airborne combat? im so confused? why ever make a mod to help airborne fights before airborne effectiveness was implemented. Does bungie know their game? im not trying to be rude to Chris but what? airborne fights has been destiny identity since d1 and even in d1 there were perks for airborne fights. Im confused!

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Because they have zero idea what to do for pvp.

[@drmememachine]

I heard the teams notification and suddenly thought "oh crap which meeting did I not remember"

[@nZoot]

Nomad do you have some one weeding out toxic people on your page because the amount of positivity in the comment section is unreal. It's so refreshing to see. To add to it, I really enjoyed this one. Keep up the good work 👏

[@thepurpdoesthework]

Chris Proctor is BAE. Always good to see the inside scoop about these important topics! HELL YEAH

[@Pugilation]

Great interview, Chris is a good chap for sure.

[@vana4054]

Professionally conducted interview, very informative and very important. I hope you get the chance to review other Bungie employees that are open to interviews like the one conducted herein! Thank you Mr. Proctor and thank you Mr. Nomad for the insights provided!👏🙌🙏

[@crystalfox3463]

Hell yeah he got it back

[@failfurby]

Wow, what an awesome interview! I'll be honest, I don't have a dog in this race. I have never taken issue with AE because I have never engaged in aerial gunplay to any real extent to notice the changes. But still, this was a lot of amazing information they are willing to share and try to explain things. I very much look forward to having more information on my weapon right in front of me than ever before so that maybe one day I can actually be good at this game.

[@no911isownage]

Thank you Chris! Despite all the vitriol in the online space this man had the conversation that was needed. I hope this sort of thing becomes more of a trend when bungie adds larger or more game changing systems. FR podcast is great too. Next we need the team lead of SBMM on one of these so we can get more insight into that contentious system. Thank Nomad & Chris, lets hope this tames the fires for a while.

[@HowdyHowdy_]

I'm straight up hyped for a Ruinous buff. Right now it feels like shooting a beam the thickness of spaghetti and has very little stick. Its so fun with Gyrfalcon I can wait for its time in the sun again.

[@othorp7]

Great topics, it shows you took time to think the questions through. But when interviewing someone please do not interrupt them. On a few occasion Chris was interrupted while replying to your question.

[@0DeathTheKid15]

I love those "Bungie-talk-podcasts". Huge respect for Chris for doing this. We all know that this topic is quite the mine field

[@sentinelscg]

Doctor meets Proctor

[@AtlasNYC_]

Woah. I didn't even know this happened! This was a great interview!

[@eCroz_8611]

This was amazing, hope to see more of these interviews as Bungie is able to

[@dmajorray6154]

Idk if anyone's noticed but I believe ascendant has been hacked

[@blvckreaper462]

Audio corruption around 20:00

[@hapsOCE]

Great job facilitating Nomad, Many thanks Chris for sharing your insight on the AE development.

[@chrislawler8161]

Hey there’s a big audio problem starting at the 19:59 mark. Out of no where it starts echoing and doubling audio output for Chris. I restarted it and tried other videos and this is the only one it is happening on. It seems to also dissipate randomly a few mins later.

[@ransomdean9141]

Super cool interview! Lots of great questions and info.

[@exmalobonum1]

Fantastic work, Nomad. It was informative and entertaining. Your questions were really well thought out.

[@DasBear1997]

Chris Proctor! Always excited to hear from Chris! 😁

[@Idkidkidk716]

I’m hoping that more communication and explanation of this will go a long way for people being angry at tweaks in the live game.

[@jermainegrays]

Chris is the 🐐 for doing these

[@LifeCompanionDogs8083]

Comp needs pinnacle weapons. It helps to get better. Chasing not forgotten honed my abilities and made me a better pvp player.

[@motesquid]

Ruinous Effigy buff is the biggest news for me here. About to get my beam on

[@nirvous]

Great questions as always, was an interesting watch :)

[@dfg3021]

"We pay a lot of attention to feedback on Reddit" Please god, stop doing that

[@philosofrenzy]

12:50 Twice Chris said "high skilled players" and I heard "high school players." I must be getting old, imagining he's complaining about the kids these days haha

[@AtenSol12]

i love everything chris is in !

[@WynnofThule]

Nobody: Pirates: 20:28

[@ioannisdellios4099]

Really good interview!

[@liquidpaper1349]

These were really good questions. One outstanding question (something you brought up) was about "artificial skill gap." I don't really see that skill gap as "artificial" - it's just *the* skill gap. I understand the want to not get newlights blown out of the water, etc., but skill gap exists like in any god - some people are bad, some are good, some are average. Bungie seems to have taken the position that the "skill gap" is, all things being equal, bad. They compressed the skill gap when there was no SBMM, and now that there is SBMM, they don't have to compress it anymore because there is no real skill gap (or at least a much smaller one) in any given match. What I don't understand is why they are so averse to a skill gap - why is it bad that bad players beat good players? I understand its probably bad for their bottom line, but is it bad for the game? Just seems weird to me. There is a definite skill gap in PvE (if you are not good enough, you don't beat the encounter, period) after all.

[@hw811gaming6]

Probably woth Destony being Destiny mechanics and all, they might wanna tone down the variabilities of skill gap. Not to mention the coming of guardian commemoration and ranks, which would definitely hurt lower skill layers and over benefit the high skill players which ghen further introduce toxicity in the community moving forward.

[@verybadlyburned9766]

Google "matchmaking for engagement" GDC presentation, was really insightful. The main thing that makes people drop out of PvP games is the skill gap being too wide and being regularly outclassed. Sure, people can work to improve, but only a certain % will actually get to a high level. If the rest aren't given an option to play balanced games, they'll eventually quit (or be stuck playing a few miserable matches for pinnacles). Worth bearing in mind that if a) everyone improved, or b) all the low skill players dropped out, the end result would be the same as SBMM: high skill players playing sweaty games. The question is how do they make room for everyone else to keep playing PvP too. There's room for hardcore "get good" PvP games in the market, but I don't think Bungie wants D2 to be that. The execution can be wobbly, but can't argue with the goal if they want to appeal to a broad playerbase.

[@liquidpaper1349]

@@verybadlyburned9766 Yeah, you're not wrong. I know its good for their bottom line, and its good to grow the game, it just feels . . . weird? I'm kind of old, and remember playing WoW back in the Vanilla 2004-2006 days, and if you weren't good enough, that was just too bad. Its been almost 20 years, and I know things have changed drastically. I guess it was just weird this time for Bungie to openly state they are compressing the skill gap (or did compress the skill gap) in order to curb higher skilled players beating the hell out of lower skill players.

[@nateeffects3121]

This is how every game that I've played works and that's fine. The bad players keep getting stomped till they get good or quit. Why Bungie feels so strongly about stopping this is due to loss of revenue plain and simple.

[@verybadlyburned9766]

​@@nateeffects3121 What games are you talking about? I'm struggling to think of a major FPS that doesn't have SBMM in pvp

[@FindStoicism]

crazy that this is still completely relevant

[@fencethepenguin7291]

Wow, congrats on this video and landing this opportunity!

[@mxrandolph4539]

Thank you AN! This is a big interview.

[@RobGThai]

Around 20 minutes mark. Chris voice double up. I thought he was trying to hypnotize us for a few minutes there.

[@greatarmageddon]

Airborn affectiveness will be changed soon because there is Lightfall coming,with lots of aerial combat, so devs decided to make it easeier to aim in the air in PVE and PvP,otherwise it is gonna be frustrating for players to see more realistic airborn effectiveness in Crucible.

[@OryxAnAngryBoi]

This helped so much.

[@LunaPPK]

good job not soft balling it like many others would

[@elijahbowers1]

Woah this is cool! Definitely okay with hearing your sultry voice in more of podcast/interview format