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Andros called me and asked me about BTMC with a Mouse and Tablet and decided to namedrop mrekk vaxei whitecat shigetora cookiezi rafis binfy zylice kariyu and mouse drift and tablet driver areas for 1000pp

[@Kachulu]

Hey hope you enjoyed the video! It has been mentioned to me that 0:25 I have mispelled preference 💀

[@Kisovn]

nah its ok i'm pretty sure almost no one even saw the typo

[@MichaelEhrmantraut12]

I thought that was intentional lmao

[@rainers5300]

Interview with the superior breed of osu players (touchpad players)

[@Lance0]

GIGACHAD touchpad

[@trollfacebutheplaystouchsc5022]

So true bestie

[@migusta5745]

Samsung fridge players.

[@anthonyli4629]

i'm trackpad xd

[@celem91]

@@anthonyli4629 i played the first six months with a pointing stick (trackpoint). Lasted about until the first proper jump map I played (now mouse)

[@FiXsy_]

Actually, I think Andros is right with the "mouse drift stops being an issue the more you play with mouse" because for example as a 6-digit, I had problems with mouse drift on 5* maps but then I eventually got better and I got used to it, but now I'm struggling with mouse drift on 7* maps. It just basically comes with how skilled you're in playing on the mouse and overcoming the mouse drift on the specific skill cap if it makes any sense.

[@Subt0nix]

or your like me and play with high sensitivity with a desk sized mousepad. I have never had problems with mouse drift.

[@TheAnarchist99]

Also Andros is just built different. He plays with 800 DPI 0.60 sens full screen 1920x1080 resolution (very low dpi) and managed to DT FC united and he's very good at jumps

[@foxygamerxdyt7356]

@@TheAnarchist99 How does one play with 800dpi and .6?

[@metalforge6915]

@@Subt0nix mosue space on the desk literally is 2 hands wide, really need high sens lol

[@michaelchen6410]

@@TheAnarchist99 What do top players usually use as their sens? I use 1200 DPI 0.6 sens with 1440p display and I feel like it's too low but idk what to switch to.

[@qaur_8487]

I think what Andros said that the fact mouse drift happens less when you play mouse more is true since before I kept getting messed up from mouse drift now I rarely experience it also nice vid

[@dubbu3543]

i dunno man i’ve been playing mouse for 2 years and i still experience it too much, it’s definitely just playstyle and your mouse grip (all the top players with mouse use a claw grip of their own, using their fingers to assist vertical movements instead of just using their arm and wrist like i do)

[@qaur_8487]

@@dubbu3543 yeah that could also be a reason

[@kevin12522]

I think sensitivity also plays a role cuz I noticed all the top mouse players have super high sens while I’m using a pretty low one

[@migusta5745]

As a 6 digit my opinion may not be the best. But as someone has said here using your fingers more than wrist/hand to aim it would *greatly* reduce mouse drift.

[@nitomono]

@@kevin12522 actually, if you look at the top mouse player spreadsheet, the highest ranked mouse players have eDPIs of lower than 600. some examples are Fancy lad has ~500 eDPI, Andros has ~480 eDP, and justman has ~450 eDPI.

[@SAITEKIKA]

Yeah the thing I have a problem with isn't what playstyle players prefer. It's the closemindedness and arrogance that I take issue with. When the goal is to improve why wouldn't you want to open more doors and try new things. In the case of osu that would be things like; playing with mouse, playing with tablet, trying different tapping styles, (single tap, full alt, hybrid alternating) changing your area/sens, trying different keyboard switches, figuring out your grip for your pen/mouse, creating a skin, etc. This stuff can be a bit overwhelming but since osu is an accessible game that can be personalized to a high extent, I think the user should take full advantage of that in order to be comfortable while playing. I think that finding what is comfortable for you specifically is a powerful position to be in. Because once you are comfortable you can allow your brain to focus more on improving at the game and not all the customizable factors. Spending time now to find that comfort will save a lot of time and hassle in the future if improvement is your goal. At least that's the way I see things.

[@Kachulu]

true

[@oxygen9635]

this is a beautiful comment you must write good essays

[@dannyjak3427]

Drift becomes less of an issue the more you play. After a while you just start subconsciously fixing drift unless you're playing really uncomfortable patterns which you have to consciously think about aiming.

[@nwxzzz]

While mouse drift problem becomes less noticeable, there are some maps that just makes it worse. Maps that usually follow the pattern of clockwise/anti-clockwise

[@Nole2701]

So I've been playing with mouse for 8 years. I agree with what Andros says. Mouse drift is not a technology issue, it will just always be there due to the nature of how mouse movement works. As you play more and get better, it will fix itself (by that I mean you will fix it yourself subconsciously). The one other benefit of playing with mouse that I have that Andros did not mention is that your 2D aim with a mouse directly translates to 2D aim in other games.

[@twicerxhd7300]

yeah I'm like a god at looting chests in minecraft survival games because of this :D

[@PhilipHubbe]

it takes a conscious effort to create mouse drift to return you back to the comfortable area. If you understand how mouse drift works, and you're playing a map that you can aim comfortably, you can keep your mouse centered by creating mouse drift in the direction you want. If you have vertical mouse drift that's a little harder.

[@memestopicxd7649]

This

[@yukvv]

I like this type of interview content where you ask top players for their knowledge :D

[@timhan8667]

i use my arm and fingers for horizontal and vertical movements respectively. then I use my wrist to try to keep the mouse always at the same angle. this gets rid of 80% of mouse drift, and it becomes so easy to manage that you can do it without trying.

[@Speykious]

As a mouse player, what I like about it is that it's very easy to grip compared to tablet, and your movement is pretty much always smooth when you want it smooth and sharp when you want it sharp (my experience with tablet is that I was always shaking).

[@piersonm5574]

I have my pen wrapped in grip tape lol, without it the slip is unbearable. I also press quite hard though

[@leNERDize]

Recently got into OSU! I have a messed up wrist and holding a pen or stylus with quick movements is hard for me but mouse is a bit more doable. If playing on mouse don't worry about mouse drift and use the highest sens that you are comfortable with :)

[@sozariyu]

interview with the sigma playstyle, the proxycodone gambit, the touchscreen keyboard combo

[@Kyomaku]

I'm bad at resetting my mouse during gameplay, but as a result I got more comfy aiming far from the starting point. So even if I mousedrift hard on a map, I actually have practice aiming in that position! So yeah, many ways to approach it. 800 Dpi + full desk mousepad btw. (and wireless mice ofc) Still want to learn the midmap resets on sliders, but they seem super hard to me lol unless the slider is super slow..

[@gdrocket540]

When I used to play with mouse I always try my best to move it straight and not turn it like the demonstration in the video so I can at least keep my mouse in the same position every time.

[@c13ium56]

Mouse drift was the only reason I couldn’t do jumps faster than the speed of light Now I can do jumps on 10 star maps

[@synarchy8377]

Just so people know there is a way to help Mouse drift if you use Logitech. You can calibrate it to the surface and it try’s to mitigate it as much as possible and works very well for me idk about others

[@zeryle]

Mouse drift used to be a big problem for me, but since I change my sens and dpi and I bought a new mousepad, Im finally free of that problem (And I dont even have a wireless mice, imagine when I get one)

[@Shroudey]

I've always wanted to try tablet, but as someone with not a huge amount of money it's too big of a risk for me. I'm a left handed writer, but I use a mouse with my right hand, meaning that getting a tablet forces me to either use a pen with my right hand, or tap with my right hand.. Would be fun to try it for the purposes of science but I can't justify spending money when I might hate every aspect of it lol

[@DwayneOsu]

As a mouse player who has played Osu for a year now i can comfortably say Just play more -Cubing Fun

[@Davouro]

Andros is true, the same way mouse drift can move you over, if you play enough you can use mouse drift to realign yourself, or there's ways u can rotate or regrip quickly to fix the drift.

[@968Yamii]

I really like your video quality, not the best but damn it's so entertaining also the memes too 😅 The only thing i use tablet is not that mouse (i use mouse with right hand) has mouse drift, but that i am a left handed with that in mind i think i should have better aim so i use tablet instead and i found that i aim faster with tablet. Disclaimer tapping with your weak hand is not fun 😤

[@mrpie_1176]

For those unaware, that library at the start is stadsbiblioteket in stockholm!

[@h3ckt068]

I have like 550 hrs into tablet by now. Took a three week break by the beginning of april due to wrist pain. Now in May decided to restart with mouse and if i were to guess i'm performing on the same level as i was 3 months ago on tablet. Though i still get slight wrist pain... might actually be tied to badminton :(

[@yovelvet9179]

When i play, i dont even notice mouse drift

[@legasspp3689]

yer i agree with Andros, i simply cant play tablet to the extent of what i can with mouse and after using mouse for a while it doesn't become an issue anymore, also removing it on sliders is the best thing you can do in my opinion

[@Nirux]

Mouse gang where ya @ ???

[@PavelWasTaken]

I wonder if Kachulu will keep updating the title as andros's rank changes

[@bulturst1297]

I'm a mouse player and don't find any problems with mouse drift even on longer maps but it could be due to me aiming with my fingers and not my wrist/arm

[@Passwordddddd]

The reason why i dont play mouse is because of mouse feet and mousepads getting torn tf up. A lot of inconsistencies popped into existence for me with mouse just from playing the game due to mouse feet and mousepads. I found less problems i had to deal with when it came to tablet

[@monolith705]

I'm not that very good at the game. But Ive noticed over time, mouse drift didn't effect me as much as I got better. And a way to circumvent it is to increase the sensitivity in game over time, till you get used to it. And thus you'll move your mouse less on your mouse pad.

[@youraveragejohnn]

I didnt even know what mouse drift was before like 3 seconds ago. Even though I've played kbm for around 4-5 years.

[@Nekathe]

I've been a tablet player for the vast majority of my time in osu. However, as I've gotten into mapping I've vastly improved at mouse since its a lot of effort to unplug my mouse and plug in my tablet(I have 1 open usb slot)

[@burritouzumaki.]

"A lot of effort" 😭

[@Nekathe]

@@burritouzumaki. im lazy

[@PinotNoir_]

"mouse drift stops being an issue the more you play with mouse" That's true, but on jump maps, mouse drift is still an issue for me.. but for anything else, i can adjust the mouse drift mid play..

[@crazyunfair]

As someone who struggled with 3.5 stars not too long ago (got C’s and had to focus), with a primary factor as to why being mouse drift, I actually found a somewhat ok solution. I just use my fingers so I don’t have to move my whole hand around. Now, I can beat 4 stars(rarely).

[@TheAnarchist99]

What's your dpi and sens?

[@piersonm5574]

That isn't sustainable, fc's and acc matters more than passes

[@asteelcup859]

@@piersonm5574 they matter for... What, exactly? Pp? Just enjoy the game, as long as you play a diverse set of maps you'll be fine. Out of my own experience if you play a star range until you're comfortable with it (aka effortlessly passing, being able to just play on auto pilot without struggling), then jump to a higher star range, once you get used to the higher star and you go back to your previous range you'll have high accuracy and some FCs easily. It just comes naturally as your skill improves, it doesn't matter how you get there, either by mastering a range or (reasonably) increasing the difficulty of what you play.

[@piersonm5574]

@@asteelcup859 just from my own experience I spent way too long chasing passes when I first started and made no progress. Only after I spent time focusing on improving my consistency did I see substantial improvement

[@asteelcup859]

@@piersonm5574 fair enough, I have set a rule for myself that if I die on a map twice I just attempt another one and I go back to the map I died on after an hour, or a day or so, so I never really chased passes. If i passed i passed, if I didn't i just tried something else. Saves me a lot of frustration and I always got to a point where I'd be able to pass the map I couldn't pass after playing other maps of the same difficulty for a while. Honestly the best tactic is to just play in a way that doesn't frustrate you - I just get bored of a difficulty once I get comfortable with it so I have to jump ship. As long as you like playing the game and keep playing it then you'll improve, doesn't really matter how you go about it. I only ever had to consciously "train" for stream speed and finger control maps.

[@zerosick]

man I still cant even figure out how to tap and here I am watching a video about mouse vs tablet

[@Kachulu]

you got this bro!

[@zerosick]

@@Kachulu thanks!

[@SkyKzio]

honestly i cant say ive ever had a problem with mouse drift but then again I've got a bigger mousepad than usual lmaoo

[@WorstShipPlayer]

i didnt even realise it was a problem. im a mouse player and mouse deift never causes me problems

[@bennebylund]

Pog video

[@Nole2701]

Been playing mouse for 8 years. Just move the mouse in a way that it stays as upright as possible. I'm still not perfect at this so I have to re-adjust from time to time but I never found it to be a limiting factor for me. It's always something else that causes me to fail.

[@Bubbun]

I dont have a mouse drift problem, but i do have a mouse grip problem, i claw grip my mouse, so during gameplay, my grip starts to slide, until the entire mouse rotated that it looks like im holding it like a gun 💀

[@RealMinebots]

nice vid, enjoy game

[@UmCaraNormalnumPlanetanormal]

Mouse drift aint a problem for me but grip slip is FUCKING MY GODAMN ASS GOD FUCKING DAMNIT

[@potato_lover606]

I just used visual tablet for like 4 to 3 days and the pen i made sucked but i had so much fun and i was so comfortable playing with it so i suggest people to try it before buying a tablet it may help

[@At0mic_fr]

as a left handed person I thought if I bought a tablet it would feel like kinda weird since my left hand is used to press z and x so I thought its just best for me to stick to mouse ( I was also an fps gamer so im used to mouse )

[@tree427]

I switched to tablet because I was having trouble with drift but after not improving for a month I switched back and suddenly I never had a problem with mouse drift again at like rank 700k

[@Shadow10183]

i started off using a offbrand stylus on a macbook touchpad

[@am.akun1]

if only i can have a spare tablet of yours. id switch from mouse to tablet instantly

[@CrimsonCloudsZeroTwo]

oh I have a different problem, I don't drift but I hold my mouse with only my fingers instead of resting my whole hand on the mouse, that way the mouse feels more light and don't have the pressure of my whole hand the issue is I overaim and cursor dance a lot when doing it and shit miss on 4 stars lol

[@sighsonthrun9339]

Mouse drift wasnt really a problem for me since I have a high dpi its barely even moves from my mousepad.

[@kyanbonus]

as a mouse player i only have mouse drift problems on square jump patterns

[@wizardsmix7961]

I've literally seen him rage over mouse drift on stream before, what a bullshit interview lmao

[@seyu1578]

Point may have been missed here

[@wizardsmix7961]

@@seyu1578 like?

[@seyu1578]

@@wizardsmix7961 The "mouse drift doesn't exist" thing was mostly a joke as he said but there was also some truth in there. Mouse drift *does* exist, however it can be mitigated to the point where it is something that can be overcome. The fact that it can only be mitigated and not completely neutralized means that it's still gonna affect mouse players no matter what, so getting mad at mouse drift doesn't really go against what he's saying, because he's not actually denying its existence.

[@wizardsmix7961]

@@seyu1578 he’s significantly downplaying it in this video to the point where it isn’t an issue, yet it clearly is based on even his own outbursts. You clearly missed the point of my comment

[@seyu1578]

@@wizardsmix7961 Ah I guess it is downplayed a lot in his statement but the information on how the more you play, the easier it will become to manage mouse drift still holds true imo. I kinda do wanna see these outbursts for myself just to see what he was playing though, since I also believe that the amount of mouse drift you have to deal with also ties in to how difficult what you're playing is for you

[@cake2531]

could mouse drift not be comparable to pen grip slowly loosening over time?

[@mercix_vt]

if you are experience mouse drift a lot, play with high sens make the high sens to your perfect movement for your muscles im playing osu for 1 year (exact) i've had that issue for first 3 months and after i started using high sens, its no longer issue but there is an new issue that CLOTH mouse pads are sticking and slowing down when the hand is sweaty, that makes me choke at most of the times

[@NamelessDemon_]

kinda late to this comment, but have ya thought about glass mousepad? i use skypad 2 XL and i honestly will never switch back to the filthy cloth pads

[@mercix_vt]

@@NamelessDemon_ i can reply any time you want :D no i never tried glass pads (i cant afford) but currently using chinese non branded waifu pad and its much better than any cloth mouse pad i've ever used currently on 800DPI 1.20x sens and its pretty good tho

[@verlatenn]

mouse drift only happens if you have one of crappy expensive viking model o's or smth like fricking everyone has

[@ilikeraccoons1592]

Dawg I’ve used mouse for years and didn’t even know this existed. I just fucking NA brained

[@sw9vy]

Andros demasiao wapo

[@thelol6802]

0:08 as osu mania player i use keyboard, would be funny seeing people playing chordjacks on mouse/tablet lol

[@yeeetu1034]

i have been playing mouse for a long time now and i also dont get what mouse drift is (im a clickx player)

[@Fabulaz]

I just Googled what Mousedrift is and I dont hink I ever experienced it anywhere outside of geometry Dash

[@Rmysti]

i have been playing osu with an mouse with an book the size of my hand doubled height and 1 hand stretched width and i had an huge problem with mouse drift untill i got used to it and now mouse drift is useless towards me

[@generallowres4636]

I think it's weird to play osu with a mouse because I started on tablet. I got a tablet before I started osu and was like oh people use tablet to play this game I should try it out and it just always felt more natural to use tablet in osu over mouse.

[@zenyros]

I play 3k dpi so mouse drift is non existent but I have issues with losing grip

[@gamer_bro1234]

Mother of lord that's a lot

[@zenyros]

@@gamer_bro1234 it is indeed

[@flownhh]

ive played mouse for ages and mouse drift no longer really affects me

[@i.am.in.your.wallsx3]

I played with tablet for a while but i generally preferred playing with mouse

[@chaoseros1714]

I’m not really effected by mouse drift for the reason of I have 1800 dpi so I don’t move my mouse much

[@jakebatts2197]

What's the backround music from 5:23 I recognise it from somewhere

[@BlazePlayz01]

Sounds like a Nintendo Game Theme?

[@Kachulu]

WIND WAKER - OUTSET ISLAND

[@jtube3878]

Ive never experienced mouse drift wtf

[@whiteeye5127]

Momments when u sometimes play with tablet sometimes play with mouse

why at this hour though

[@nightcoreperson9972]

why not

[@kente2003]

it took me a year to get used to mouse and im still bad at the game 😨😨

[@nanoya408]

interview with nanoya

[@vrs4686]

when

[@adealny6113]

I play with mouse and i saw that longer i play my mouse moves and i thought it must be mine 7yo mouse issue xD

[@marffyvillanueva1962]

i'm new to osu! and i'm playing in mouse and keybaord

[@Naverdo]

I recently switched to tablet and my aim has become faaar better but my hand hurts all the time. With mouse I could play 4 minute maps and it would never hurt but with tablet it starts hurting after like the first 30 seconds. Is this something that will go with time or am I doing something wrong?

[@Kachulu]

try a different grip! sometimes the grip you choose ends up straining ur hand and wrist

[@c13ium56]

You should try adjusting the angle and the grip, it’ll also take a while to get used to

[@TheAnarchist99]

Grip and probably your area is too small/big for you

[@piersonm5574]

Try not to press so hard, or if you're gripping to avoid pen slip then wrap it in grip tape or even masking tape. Also, if you play more it hurts less. Your hand muscles can be trained, just be careful if it's your wrist that hurts

[@Maev596]

Well logically if i write with the left hand i should not try the pencil cause its for right hands. Or should i try anyway

[@Kachulu]

tablets work for left handed people too!

[@xoacy3920]

what if u have high sesnse n dont use urr arm but u use ur finger n wrist instead

[@nathanoverheaven2623]

I played with mouse for 3 months because my tablet broke i never experience mouse drift

[@heydadxd60]

"Why don't you play with tablet instead of that shitty mouse" ppl asked. Because i'm just a poor kid with no allowance to bought a tablet, that's why. Joke aside, i'm a working adult now that i can buy myself a tablet. I spent several years playing mouse and decide to buy a tablet, i can fc some jumps that slightly outside of my comfort zone while mouse cant, but just that. If i play more with it, maybe i will be better by constantly challenging my limit i suppose. But soon after, about 6 months, that i quit the game for a while and sell the tablet. After coming back to the game, i ask myself the question: Do i really need to buy a tablet for just playing 1 game and the answer was no. One thing my poor childhood teach me was not spending money on things that i am not desperately need.

[@piersonm5574]

I would have quit the game if I didn't get a tablet, I just wasn't improving. Like not at all, mouse definitely isn't for me. Hundreds of hours of entertainment for 50$ is worth it to me, but it's different for everyone

[@ItssKero]

hey kach want some food, im in a buffet rn, nice vid btw

[@hatster401]

"Your playstyle is not the reason youre not improving" yeah, but i would say playing mouse only (like i do) kinda does slow it down a bit compared to mouse and keyboard or tablet

[@TheAnarchist99]

Arnold is ranked #6 and Nyanpotato #8, all of them are mouse players , use low edpi and have set 1k pp plays. So in the end is preference

[@hatster401]

@@TheAnarchist99 i dont mean just mouse players i mean literally clicking circles with just the mouse, no keyboard.

[@Kachulu]

there are some insane mouse-only players out there! you can get really good :D

[@Sahlokniir]

​@@hatster401would be interesting to know if you still play osu and if yes do you still play Mouse only and how did it work out?

[@__grimmkind__]

As a mouse player tbh im garbage cuz like my friends atm play with tablet and in personal opinion i think that like *Itll take longer to do what they do, and we all play 5* stuff, they just do better jumps* (while i personally went for streams) Idk i heard about that nyanpotato is a mouse player idk i dont really know about sou community so i think theres still hope for mouse players but yeah personal choice is the key

[@TheAnarchist99]

Nyanpotato is actually a mouse player and he's better at jumps than 99.999% of tablet players lol

[@piersonm5574]

Nyanpotato is a God at streams and jumps

[@mixufixu]

Been using a tablet for 2 months. I played mouse for 6 months and I really wanted to keep doing it but the drift was unbearable so I got a tablet and I started improving faster and the game became more fun with an unique input method that no other games I play use. I used to be worried that all my years of using a mouse for gaming was going to waste but I got the hang of tablet surprisingly quick and I'm already much better with tablet than I ever was with a mouse. Just my experience :)

[@Kachulu]

LETS GO

[@piersonm5574]

Exact same thing happened to me

[@Kettvnen]

why didnt you interview NyanPotato or Arnold24x24 who are better mouse players?

[@214.andrew9]

you ask 50 mouse players for a interview and i bet you only 3 will say yes

[@hoshiedd]

I never switched to or tried tablet simply because I'm stubborn

[@raynboy6448]

Kachulu is SO CUTE

[@piggy2686]

in conclusion: what

[@aemi1629]

1.5k hours on mouse. Mouse drift is not a problem, but my mouse is slipping off my hand every 150 combo. That’s a real issue (for me)

[@CallMeBungus]

"Why are you reading this" "Do not read this" You do not command my ADHD sir Not even I, have control over myself

[@Darklovesto]

every point he made was true

[@plestias]

i became a tablet player because my aim in fps games went 📉 when i used mouse

[@Z3HLL]

imagine not playing touch smh

[@Hzul_]

:thumbsup:

[@hasco8360]

Andros my lord and savior

[@sniperlifedanel9564]

Who's number 1 mouse player?

[@hata1499]

Why does no single mouse player tell the fucking secret skill? Learning to readjust aka LIFT your mouse to a more comfortable position at a calm section of the map?! It is simply another skill one has to acquire, but many don't because it is tough-

[@daysnot4555]

I use the touch thing in laptop

[@CR4T3Z]

??? Thats what mouse drift is? That doesn't exist...

[@sandbox-v4.516]

Mouse is for real Chads