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[@001HK0]

New format idea: no card that has ever been in a Yu-Gi-Oh top 8.

[@Rentetsuken]

Pretty sure that already exists with Rogue's Format, except I believe they go beyond just Top 8.

[@mateusrp1994]

That's called Heart of the Underdog, but its not a standardized thing, just something locals can do and still count as an official format to let the shop give out ots packs.

[@zhanyao2481]

probably rogue combo decks dominate, since a lot of them have super strong end board and this idea would phase out most relevant handtraps

[@kotzenderkeks61]

@@zhanyao2481 probably every good hand trap

[@thehamyton4700]

This is rouges format, I think any card that has ever toped a ycs or wcq is baned, it’s a very cool format where you just play shitters, the best generic is warning point

[@SkuggyK]

The Raidraptor vs Fluffal match-up is lore accurate

[@kamenlegendNext]

Fusion gang rise up

[@RenegadeStriker7]

Gang gang gang ​@@kamenlegendNext

[@Joeggurnaut546]

@@kamenlegendNext based genocide enjoyer

[@UMAtronic]

Oh boy i sure love me some fluffal.

[@leoultimaupgraded9914]

@@kamenlegendNextFusion AND Leo Gang for me

[@Rojo9149]

Turns out the problem isn't hand traps or bullshit combo decks but the decks that can play 18 handtraps and *still* do their bullshit combo with consistency

[@geek593]

Yep. Engine design ruined Yugioh. Hand traps were the good guys.

[@kenestebanez4777]

Handtraps have ruined yugioh. Because of them cards and engine have been designed to go around free instant interaction, meaning they had to plus more and more to see play. It's just too late in the process to ban handtraps.

[@sadgreent5138]

​@@kenestebanez4777 Nah, handtraps kind of saved yugioh from full negate boards and making the game unplayable by going second decks. The game would become way more fun for both, going first and going second, players if the ways to achieve a sub-optimal board would require two cards from an archetype in hand instead of one searcher to get a full board

[@sadgreent5138]

And yes, increasing the chances of both players to brick or getting their combo starter shut down with one handtrap and having to make due or wait for next draw is WAY better than seeing who has enough negates to make your opponent lose. Most fun matches I've had were either rogue on rogue deck(still with handtraps) or playing on topdecks

[@TeamSprocket]

@@kenestebanez4777 Having an entire class of narrow Force of Wills is exactly what a resource-less game needs to stay balanced.

[@leafbladie]

I'm so glad you weren't joking at the end of the last Masochist Banlist Tournament

[@conorprochaska4728]

but i need my mbt mbt tourny

[@TenshiTetsuII]

Wait you're right CONTINUITY

[@zephshoir]

I need more Masochist Banlist Tournaments!!!

[@freddief8253]

miss this and CSM so much honestly

[@xatuyou8045]

this is sadist banlist tournament

[@buddbrown6858]

getting Zeus'd for your life's savings 4 separate times only to run out of extra deck has got to be a uniquely frustrating experience

[@Jokoko2828]

I feel like at that point you really have to consider running Avarice.

[@NeoWocky]

They played themselves, just small world for Pankratops and clear that shit

[@buddbrown6858]

​@@NeoWockythey must've gotten some crazy tunnel vision to have not realized, it happens

[@lulunisha]

I side out pank and gameciel going first because lilith rosa routes into anything anyway. ​@@NeoWocky

[@Dominator150395]

> banning cards by play rate We did it lads, we brought Smogon tiers to Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@rasendestroyer2701]

This may actually be a good idea, ngl

[@ThePuppyTurtle]

​@rasendestroyer2701 Honestly, yeah. You'd have to figure out the details of how to make it work, as there are plenty of differences between the two games that you need to account for, but this could be a great way to allow people to play more rogue decks and see more success. It could be amazing if there were "Underused" tournaments where someone could succeed with what are currently rogue decks and "Never Used" ones where I can walk up with my Lightsworns or Dark Magicians and have an actual chance. It's already what a lot of spaces designated for casual play look like in practice. This would just be a way of formalizing that I'm making it function more like a competitive endeavor in ways that those spaces can't accomplish.

[@JadenRockz99]

Can't believe he fixed the typo. The title doesn't say Skull Servants Tier 1 anymore smh

[@Zzz-j2f]

The Only Deck in YuGiOh History with a 100% Winrate (Literally Unbeatable)

[@flackenstien]

People simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND what kind of absolute bullshit underused decks can do, or how toxic they can be. They aren't played because they die to the consistency checks that current meta decks can play around. Not only that, but if a format like this was let to cook for any significant amount of time, a new meta and new staples would form that people would complain about all the same.

[@Supre3m3Kai]

This shxt is tame compared to the meta's weve had.

[@geek593]

This is why I don't like rogue. It's usually the unfun nonsense that gets filtered by hand traps.

[@uncoolbob9653]

Just ban every card that gets over 15% use rate. Lmao

[@flackenstien]

@@Supre3m3Kai This video was nothing, lol. You can't base a whole format off of one video.

[@flackenstien]

@@uncoolbob9653 That will mean every card would eventually get banned.

[@steelblake]

I love how even if we ban the meta handtraps, the answer of the players to that was searching HT that pass trough a loop hole

[@safeandsound712]

I love that lithium lives in our consciousness through game 3 in every match lol

[@jmbw4271]

I always forget how good MBT is at narrating duels. kinda underappreciated imo.

[@buddbrown6858]

I miss those Pro Play Games and Master duel circuit days. Need him to do more of these custom banlist tourneys too

[@Dramatic_Gaming]

"Cards that are incredibly iritating like Ash Blossom and Droll & Lock Bird have become load-bearing." I'll go one step further and say that they're load-bearing due to their own design. All these decks were either printed at the same time as or after Ash, or rely on new support printed since Ash. The presence of uninteractable cards that have the potential to stop a play dead means that decks now need so much gas to compensate for their existence that if your archetype doesn't have at least a half-dozen one card combo enablers and another 20 pieces of extension that you're not considered good.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

so much this. hand traps actually harm the game overall insted of being good for it.

[@LuminousSteel]

this video is why edison is best format

[@philithegamer8265]

​@@LuminousSteel Why do you say that Edison is the best format?

[@GG_Nowa]

​@@Dr.AvenVoneh not really. It's one card combos that did more damage and they would have started to exist even without hand traps with the inception of links like halq existing.

[@Dr.AvenVon]

@@GG_Nowa well, hand traps more or less allowed those cards to arrive way sooner ,because "just put more handtraps in your deck and it will be fine"

[@Spooky_Bard]

I will say that in-archetype handtraps or similar ways to interact turn one are really cool and they should probably make more of them.

[@baxterbruce9827]

A few good traps could make or break an archetype in a format like this Like, actual traps I'd take Libromancers

[@chuckin6823]

Havnis is the greatest designed card in the history of yugioh and i will die on this hill

[@shawnjavery]

​@@chuckin6823impulse feels better tbh. There's a lot more choices you can make when to drop it, there's a field eff that has a lot of utility and normal summoning it can absolutely be correct, and it doesn't really ever feel like a blow out from my experience. It often trades for good value, but you still have to play properly with it from my experience. That is somewhat true of havnis, but you did have a lot of games where you just hit a miller and blew the opponent completely out of the water.

[@ashikjaman1940]

​@@chuckin6823 the problem with Tear was always that they were TOO well designed lol

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

​@@baxterbruce9827why would you want more trap cards? They only reward the player going first, they are horribly outdated design for the context of contemporary yugioh

[@Heroism4499]

Damn this UU format looks pretty fun ngl

[@pablossjui]

Honestly the pokemon way of ranking seems like it would be the best way to balance yugioh

[@yashuastryfe125]

@@pablossjui smogon meta is pretty solid way of doing tiers

[@Heroism4499]

@@pablossjui ye, it would help show off some strong but middling decks like Silent Voice and Gold Sarc by putting it in a smaller pool.

[@OutbackYGO]

PEAK

[@kidumby7599]

@@Heroism4499 Voiceless Voice is a high-tiered deck RIGHT NOW lmao

[@SolarPhoenix3]

What I have learnt is you can't remove the handtraps from the game without lowering the ceiling of like every deck.

[@DarkeLourd]

24:11 I disagree with that sentiment. Dark World and Pendulum are both looking to play a LOT of Yugioh, they just aren't looking to let their opponent play any.

[@procrastinatingphoenix5396]

That's not Yu-Gi-Oh, that's solitaire

[@r3zaful]

​@@procrastinatingphoenix5396that is yugioh, first world champion asia is literally playing Canon soldier burn, trying to competely ignore your opponent field as possible.

[@swisschese1323]

​@@procrastinatingphoenix5396 I love this game but it always has been, everything went downhill after they release Wind-up and the roach. And we as a community hasn't recovered from 2018-2019 yet.

[@kidumby7599]

@@r3zaful It's always so cute to see people who think bullshit decks only appeared recently and weren't present in some form or other throughout the game's history.

[@lunarshadow5584]

@@kidumby7599 Agreed, the first deck shown in the anime was Exodia after all.

[@donaldlivingston75]

Turns out if you take out the handtraps, the deck that wins are the ones that can play their own native handtraps. That was a lot of fun to watch though

[@snazzy3743]

Dread it, run from it, a cracked fluffal will always put up numbers in a custom format tournament

[@justatraveler09]

Akashic Magician and Security Dragon in the Dark World deck is giving some traumatic flashbacks to Grinder Golem format

[@EerieDreary]

It seems like lots of yugitubers use music from the yugioh DS games. I played a lot of the 2011 one when I was younger, so it's very nostalgic for me.

[@doggozwei281]

Same. I especially used to play the rental deck duels all the time in that game. 15 decks that were relatively equal in power level and good for learning what different archetypes were capable of (tho they weren't in an optimized state)

[@Eltanin]

So that's why the bgm sounded so familiar. I wasn't sure where I recognized it from but yeah, this is damn nostalgic

[@reydragon2597]

Reverse of Arcadia and however the 2011 was called, absolute gems for their times. I cannot remember how much time I spent to get a dark signer face for my avatar back in the day.

[@UncleJrueForTue]

​@@reydragon2597 2011, the final entry was called Over the Nexus

[@Drekal684]

Here's a really dumb idea for a future ban tournament. Ban every card with the letter E in its name. Everything else is limited to one.

[@SonicLion2]

This is a fun idea ngl

[@Ragnarok540]

I liked seeing Dark World and Fluffal doing well here, back when MD did the Fairy vs. Fiend event I found that it was possible to make a hybrid deck with those two. Did you know Royal Penguin Gardens discards for effect? It triggers the Dark Worlds. Also the dark world fusion quickplay can summon any fiend fusion, so you can summon Frightfur Tiger in the opponents turn to blow up their whole board. BTW. I think Konami knew what they were doing when they banned Siilva in MD.

[@ducky36F]

Dark world is exactly what I don't want to see tbh.

[@BlackBeartic229]

You liked Dark World handripping for 4-6 with no actual way to fight against it? You're damn right Konami knew what they were doing when they banned Siilva in MD. It SHOULD be banned in TCG/OCG too

[@HaissamMouard]

​@BlackBeartic229 if mbt just bans luceus and babuska the format is perfectly fine

[@philithegamer8265]

​@@HaissamMouard Huh? Why do you say that? What cards did Master Duel Ban?

[@HaissamMouard]

@philithegamer8265 I meant in this formst thst mbt made in the video. Those were the problem csrds to me at least. And maybe some general power level hits to others.

[@newttrain8667]

This reminds me of an idea I have for Yugioh that I've mentioned before and will mention again. MTG has a format called Canadian Highlander, a 100 card singleton format which allows you to use cards that are Limited in Vintage format, but those limited cards all have a point value associated to them; a deck can only have so many points, I forget the exact number. It makes me wonder if a points system would work in Yugioh as well, but instead the points go towards certain generic and powerful cards. For example, Ash Blossom and Imperm would probably be worth one point each. Droll is a pretty impactful card in the right situations, so it would be worth two. Big generic boss monsters like Baronne and Accesscode I can see being at three. These are just examples of how I think points would be distributed, not a concrete rule, and obviously anything like this would need a looooooot of playtesting.

[@leedutch5155]

I remember the Pokemon trading card game video game having a deck capacity

[@_Lightningale_]

Reminds me of those old GBA Yu-Gi-Oh! games, such as The Sacred Cards and Reshef of Destruction that literally did this with the deck capacity mechanic. At first I thought it was terrible, since you have to grind a lot in order to max out deck capacity and level (which lets you add better cards to your deck in the first place), but once you max it out, it was incredibly satisfying and fun 😅

[@gahbunga]

Muck RAKER, she''s a reporter, she rakes muck!

[@esc7151]

Dont fix the typo in the títle. It makes it x100 times better

[@darkpendulumsystem]

What was the typo?

[@Galchoo1]

​@@darkpendulumsystem"...IT CAN GEY"

[@esc7151]

@@darkpendulumsystem The title said "HOW MUCH WORSE CAN IT GEY", before they fixed it

[@darkpendulumsystem]

@@esc7151 ah

[@erbinha_1234]

​@@esc7151You are right, should never have been "fixed"

[@blue-eyesdepresseddragon3753]

No joke, No lie, Yugioh needs a tiering format like Competitive Pokemon. I would LOVE to see Yugioh UU so badly.

[@dudono1744]

Yugioh ZU would be the whackiest crap ever

[@durgons749]

It exists, it's called Kuchen format (although it is more like Smogon)

[@Noah2472-j1n]

Tiers don't exist in Official Competitive Pokemon either, it's only in Smogon that those exist.

[@TeamSprocket]

Pokemon tiers don't work with yugioh as yugioh gets new cards constantly and has a card pool in the thousands and has archetypes designed to be played with and against staples. There won't be enough data to make an accurate system and trusting the subjective assessment of people only works in niche instances like the Master Duel meme events and MBT tournaments.

[@RandomGuyCDN]

Magic has 5 different formats, but only 2 are completely degenerate and not really supported by the company beyond swinging around every 6 months to ban problem cards that they printed because those formats are suppose to be degenerate. Konami should really do the samething. Hopefully the shareholders dont see the improvement of new players the want to the game and push the company to burn the game to the ground with a new format and still let the degens jack each other off if they win the dice roll in the eternal format

[@frankunodostres473]

man, this makes me think I was right with my opinion the entire time... generic handraps and extra deck monsters that invalidate 90% of other options are bad for the game. looking at all these decklists that rely on spicy engines or in-theme solutions for different problems and difficult matchups... so beautiful to see. instead of 15-18 "non-engine" slots in the main and the same 8-10 generic link monsters in the ED. this format is peak imo.

[@philithegamer8265]

Agreed. Handtraps and Links have ruined Yugioh especially competitive...

[@GG_Nowa]

I love seeing someone get hand looped for 4 because the means to check the deck don't exist

[@isidoreaerys8745]

@@GG_Nowaban the problem card. That card is at zero in master duel.

[@DoggoDoesStuff1]

Out of the 7 players that weren't specifically trying to go second, only 2 games were won going second (by the Fluffal player using their own deck-specific hand traps). This format is miserable, nobody gets to play Yugioh.

[@demonslayer2016]

​@@GG_NowaSilva is genuinely the sole problem with the archetype. Just shoot it

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

I half expected to see SQMP decks in this tourney. "Make Magnus turn 1 or lose.dek" seems potent in a format with so little disruption.

[@ErroneousNickname]

I was actually gonna play quant but I decided to play fluffal instead I guess it worked

[@chaoticjexak]

true, but i didnt see kaijus in the list of banned cards as far as i could tell. and quant gets absolutely BODIED by a gamaciel coming down.

[@Hitoridoodles]

Words cannot describe the amount of psychic damage I take every time MBT says ChandraLIGER

[@darkriku144]

Me with Genta (short for Magenta, the color) and Ceruli (short for Cerulean, also a color)

[@cringekid3993]

The smiger incident

[@MoeEpsilon]

I don't know if this proves what you think it does. Handtraps are great and all, but the problem is every deck can just endlessly special summon. Assuming you had a handtrap to slow your opponent down, you made them pass and then you can do your combo turn 2. It ends up being only one additional turn with the handtraps in your deck too.

[@philithegamer8265]

This is so sad...

[@shapular]

And these plays are all things that are perfectly legal in current Yugioh and that you will still lose to if you didn't draw the right hand trap before you got a chance to play the game.

[@N12015]

@@shapular Almost as if there were just like a small bandaid covering an infection.

[@ovelhadogelo]

"Make a deck without Hand Traps or cards that sees huge amounts of play." That's.. like, 15 out of 20 decks I have, minimum. Is it my time to shine, finally?

[@baxterbruce9827]

NGL, I'd like to try fiddling with this banned list, I feel like some of my favorite decks would do well in a format like this, some are REALLY strong but just a bit fragile to disruption

[@andrewgiordano1819]

I’m so glad to have this video as ammo against those that say “I wish handtraps didn’t exist” in front of me

[@HittaTheFlameCharmer]

I think the typo adds charm

[@imjustherefortehlulz]

What was it

[@chompyzilla]

MBT: I also banned the other floodgates. Abyss Dweller: *whistling casually in the corner*

[@zearcjustice7837]

too much gas and the deck blew up

[@woods3757]

Highlander formtat in Yugioh is very playable, and fun (at least it was when my friends did it 5 years ago). When every single card is limited to 1, even the most broken cards and archetypes become very manageable. You would think building deck with the best staples would be the norm, but those decks actually bricked the most.

[@LazurBeemz]

the people talking about "wow I loved the variety! So much better than seeing Kash/Tear/Snakeyes mirrors!" don't seem to realize that you picked different decks so OF COURSE there's "diversity" in this tournament. But if it was a real format, it would quickly get centralized like anything else.

[@baxterbruce9827]

In fairness, it's at least partially people aren't just sick of seeing "Just three decks" but THOSE three decks, even if it'd probably centralize in a month or two, it's still somewhat refreshing to be seeing decks other than Tear, Kash and Snake-Eyes

[@mateusrp1994]

Let a discord server cook for a week and do an open tournament instead of handpicking randoms, like how Farfa does with the LCS

[@I_Tacocat]

Heavy cope

[@m_e_nere]

Let people feel like change is possible

[@kidumby7599]

@@m_e_nere Melodius, Tenpai, Voiceless Voice and other decks that aren't those three have been able to compete throughout the format, and Melodius in general is incredibly strong. Hell Swordsoul came in second in LA. Even in a format with a clear dominant deck, there's already a diversity of strategies, most people are just whiners.

[@Suhel276]

Now do a format where every card to ever be on the forbidden or limited list is banned

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Me, showing up with a deck only 0.0000001 people play. My favorite deck is Ojama-ABC.

[@NeverSeenGod]

i'm with you brother

[@CrimsoniteSP]

@@NeverSeenGod Ojama brothers stay together, I guess

[@rayquaza000]

As someone who played pure Flufflas when MD released this brought me joy

[@Ilaechelon]

So the result is: if we get rid of hands points of interaction, the format becomes a combo heavy festival

[@CrayoktheMindflayer]

Yo bro it's the goblin biker player from the regional. Enjoyed our game so much I decided to subscribe. So glad your addressing the hand trap situation without them rogue decks simply cannot compete with the meta, interaction on the first turn is necessary to slow them down. Here's hoping we duel again at the next regional

[@Graysett]

Ya know, you said "worse", but as a Dark World enjoyer I see this as an absolute win.

[@Kingbobman69]

Same

[@darkpuppetlordful]

Literally just the best outcome for us

[@philithegamer8265]

​@@darkpuppetlordful Scummy degenerate deck...

[@noisepollution4473]

The best sell on hand traps to yugioh boomers who hate them is definitely "when you ban the hand traps pendulums are good" nothing scares an angry uninformed yugioh player more than pendulums i say this as someone who fears pendulums myself

[@aname8174]

but dark worlds :D

[@tylerlane8221]

I say ban everything that let's you special summon more then 5 times in a turn

[@Thelaserman20]

@@tylerlane8221well then rip my rda deck

[@geek593]

Hopefully people learn the card design of engine is the problem, not most of the generics.

[@tame1773]

Yea, most decks dont have enough good cards in archtype worth playing to fill out the deck, so they just slap in some good stuff and call it a day.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@tame1773 There's also some decks where every card is good, but there's not enough of them or some of the cards only do one thing even if they do it really well (Libromancer comes to mind)

[@Dramatic_Gaming]

They're both the problem. Handtraps put a stranglehold on card design that says 'your deck must have *this much* gas to be playable', while new engines actually have the gas to play through handtrap to the point that removing them leads to degeneracy. You can't remove one without removing the other, but removing both would require a lot of work and a colossal banlist, so instead we're stuck in a perpetual arms race where neither one can be removed.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@Dramatic_Gaming THIS, this is BASICALLY the issue and not a lot of people seem to realize it, the ideal solution is to reign in both but it would be SUCH a massive undertaking

[@geiseric222]

@@Dramatic_Gamingthat’s not a problem? Why exactly is that a problem other than it makes your bad pet deck bad?

[@ILikeMobingLikethat]

Damn, Ignister prominence is really, really not once per turn

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Card is insane.

[@nnnp634]

Guys, MBT picks the lists (and a very low amount of them) for these kind of videos, same as banning half the banlist. Every tournament of his is diverse not because stipulation make the format diverse, but because he choses different decks

[@Torpedoman316]

It's muck rake er. It's a journalism term. Nobody fuckin says it right

[@balewaif]

he can't keep driving engagement like this 😭

[@fortidogi8620]

hes doing it on purpose cuz cracker is a funny word

[@dionjones6300]

I'm certain he knew that. That's what made it funny

[@Torpedoman316]

@@dionjones6300 then I'm retarded

[@MrMintyfreshsmell]

The vast majority of decks have roughly 20 of the same cards as any other deck. It's painful to see. The problem is if you aren't using those same 20ish cards then congrats on the loss

[@BloodfelX]

That is honestly pretty much the same Fluffal deck that I have taken to locals before - love to see it do so well here.

[@ObeliskTGS]

Funny thing is while the other video went over how YGO was dying for the millionth time, something like this (banning all the hand traps, staples and board breakers) *would actually make YGO die.*

[@PrettierNPastel]

I mean yeah lol like 40% of the card pool is designed with those cards in mind so it would be chaos without them.

[@smittyDXPS3]

That's a delusional take. If anything the current game teaches us, it's that Yu-Gi-Oh players will play no matter what in any dogshit terrible format.

[@GG_Nowa]

I think it would die at an actual sanctioned level But just like force of will it would still be played by people because the batshit nature of the format

[@KingRoni1222]

YGO 2011 OVER THE NEXUS MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND POGGGGGGGGGGG (at least during one of the dark world games there might be some in other spots)

[@aboogala4678]

2:10 FLUFFAL GANG RISE UP

[@jasikshaw9309]

FLUFFAL MENTIONED 🗣

[@jayvila4755]

FLUFFAL FOR FLUFLIFE

[@Salacavalini]

Muck-raker. Like raking through mud to find stuff in it. It's a play on the card basically being a paparazza.

[@falloutsearies]

This makes me wonder how yugioh tournaments would operate like Pokémon's use tier like overused to never used and see how people would like that. we have the data for it so it wouldn't be that hard to set it up.

[@Yunglex313]

Something like that existed. Was put together by another Yugituber... she turned out to be a terrible person, and the project fell to the wayside.

[@baxterbruce9827]

There's been a few experiments with that over the years, as far as I can tell, the longest lasting version of it is Kuchen format, many cards get banned or reduced copies as you go to lower tiers in an explicit attempt to reign in powercreep

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@baxterbruce9827 Kuchen, Gefahr, Local Heros...

[@falloutsearies]

@@Yunglex313 damn...

[@BeaglzRok1]

You could ban every card with a 10% winrate and revert every card that has ever been on the banlist to its most extreme ban extent, and people will still cry if Six Sams are allowed to go infinite with one Gateway.

[@GG_Nowa]

Because resource loops like that are boring to play against.

[@Temperans]

Ban gateway too then

[@ShonicBurn]

The way old scholl staples got beat was by giving boss monsters their abilities. Now we need to give normal weak things staple abilities.

[@jeweledmoon5567]

Heartbreaking game three with Raidraptor

[@AnRuixuan]

I don't think I've ever seen or played a game against any Pendulum deck and thought "yeah this is fun and good for the game"

[@Monroah]

That first match just reaffirmed my contempt for modern Dark World, Jesus Christ.

[@kriesas]

Modern? that was always DWs game plan lol. They are just efficient(?) at it now

[@durgons749]

​@@kriesasi love when people just say words. Dark World came out more than 15 years ago and the deck was, believe it or not, not handlooping for 4 + 3 negates, especially since Cerulli wasn't even printed. Just shut up

[@r3zaful]

@@durgons749 they hand loop with virus tribute grapha and skill drain, different kind of toxic

[@r3zaful]

@@durgons749 deep draw trying to find skill drain then blow your hand up of any potential threat using virus by tributing grapha, there is an official back to the past event in japan, TWO of these stupid deck in the top 8 thankfully they brick in quater final.

[@buddbrown6858]

Fuck that deck, man, glad it lost

[@crappyusername69]

The real issue is stepstool cards. Konami making every (good) main deck card say "I dont affect the board, im just free material for something else" meant you never sacrifice resources/board presence to summon boss monsters. So we just see the same generic boss monsters over and over because main deck cards dont do anything.

[@philithegamer8265]

This is so sad... what are stepstoll cards?

[@crappyusername69]

@philithegamer8265 Monster cards whose soul purpose is to leave the field/hand/gy to facilitate accessing another card. A stepstool that gets you to somewhere else.

[@philithegamer8265]

@@crappyusername69 This is why I've been a huge Monarch player. That deck centers around their main deck monsters being really OP...

[@crappyusername69]

@philithegamer8265 It's too bad monarchs are basically just poor man's Horus now. Why work for big monsters when you can draw and summon them all for free? That way, you can toss them back in the grave every turn for more unrelated extra deck stuff.

[@philithegamer8265]

@@crappyusername69 As a big fan if Monarchs especially Extra Deck Monarchs, this post really hurts me. Yugioh's powercreep has gotten way too out of control for the past 5-10 years. This is not the game that I grew up playing...

[@bicknell1258]

That Yubel player literally didn't pay attention at all. Hmm, I was ceruli looped 3 times game 1, should I d.d. crow the ceruli the only time it's in the grave? No, I better let it resolve and give up my crow, not like he'll loop this up to two more times (like he did last time)

[@Rojo9149]

There was a negate on field, heliopolis rank 8 negates targeting even in GY The crow never had a chance but I would have tried it anyway since it's getting looped out of my hand regardless

[@michaelavrel6710]

I mean its dark world tbh cant blame him, when was the last time ppl actually paid attention to darkworld combo? Most ppl probably just fell asleep mid combo, that or their off going something productive, like i dont know during the span of dark world combo you probably can go to school, get a job, marrried, and have a kids

[@LettuceDeerwig]

I was considering using it on Accession during the open gamestate before Heliopolois was summoned but elected not to. Once Heliopolis hit the board, the crow was never going to resolve, because Heliopolis negates it. After it wasn't going to have any impact, I kept the Crow in hand instead of using it because I wanted to keep my hand at an odd number of cards to prevent Sillva from resolving a 3rd time. I appreciate your chatting though!

[@bicknell1258]

@@LettuceDeerwig Fair enough. I play against Dark World at my locals, but in that case the goal is always to end on Appo/Fusion/IP, which wins you the game even if you only resolve the ceruli loop once or twice.

[@romram7984]

Honestly before even watching the duels. I kinda like how varied the decks are. Yeah you still have the common extra deck monsters (Knightmare unicorn and Cerberus, both of which I feel I find in every deck and even find myself always putting them both in with Phoenix), but it's definitely nice to see some varied extras that aren't the same 10 cards every other deck plays

[@starscorpia4005]

due to my recent experiences in MD....ban horus too, 4 free level 8s is a bit stupid innit, if they were vanillas i'd alread consider it but 4 monsters wiht 4 solid effects is just a bit insane to gain off of one card (plus discards)

[@Bruham2]

(Minus discards)

[@Zakibey123]

Doesn't it also like discard 6 to do that

[@tame1773]

They arent that good, stun is tho

[@f5673-t1h]

@@Zakibey123 You discard cards with GY effects that make you go plus.

[@Zakibey123]

@@f5673-t1h this only applies to danger Horus and Horus dark world Both decks are mid af

[@OwenLeBlanc-l7h]

Personally I would slightly reduce the hand trap density. Not eliminate them, but a few less.

[@philithegamer8265]

Put a hard limit into handtraps. Don't yet them all together...

[@GG_Nowa]

​@@philithegamer8265 Okay then so everyone just plays the best ones that reach the widest and don't both playing the niche ones because it's not safe enough to try.

[@jeffreytam7684]

33:45 Joseph has discovered part of the reason to play Singularity

[@saxophonebuizel2458]

Man we need duel-taining back

[@KooroshForootan]

Ngl I’m shocked Gold Pride Punk didn’t make the top decks. Without hand traps the deck is basically guaranteed to end on a crazy board with quick effect fuse/steal your opponents shit backed up by a monster PEP.

[@ringleader6715]

GEY??? Happy pride everyone!!

[@safeandsound712]

Idea! Do this again but also unban everything on the ban list that you think could come back without mattering.

[@flecheduc6498]

I was helping at my local and i asked the owner to make a "fun" tournament. He said : "and how will you do that" "I'm banning every hand trap AND you are only allowed to play deck with full archetypal card. No engine at all." There was still good deck but it was more of multiplayer games rather than one player doing stupid combo to block the opponent and whoever win the diceroll win the game.

[@Ragnellrok]

Typo in the title, bro fell off

[@Bladerunner-sn7tv]

NOWAYING

[@Ragnellrok]

​@Bladerunner-sn7tv how much worse can it gey

[@brandonwaters3434]

Oh, My GOOD!

[@SgtKickass926]

I think he fixed it, what was it before?

[@dannydelacruz7303]

I can tell ur white

[@randomshit6539]

3 raigeki and 3 draw spells against secret village is rough

[@deathboy345]

has been a long time since the last tournament, are there any plans for one of those i unban 3/4 of the banlist tournaments?

[@thotobliterator1587]

Average viable yugioh deck: Archetypal engine + generic meta OUTS + Generic good links and lvl4 XYZ = Modern Deck building

[@losowyczlowiek14027]

Finally. RamRam Ranch format.

[@fil_5307]

The danger darkworld duels felt miserable

[@delllee4915]

Who could have guessed that banning all the good staple cards makes combo decks impossible to stop.

[@kataphrut7740]

You know, while I get the point he's making here, the idea that Fluffal is what rises to the top if you ban every current staple and tier one card doesn't sound that bad to me.

[@ZodiacMeteor]

This is why Yu-Gi-Oh needs a Pokemon-like Smogon list, not a ban-list. Limit what cards can be in powerful archetypes and unlimit cards in weak archetypes. Yu-Gi-Oh deck diversity problems are more alike the Pokemon VGC than any card game on the market.

[@dudono1744]

Also lets you play your favourite deck, which is actually a big reason Smogon's tiers exist.

[@Epzilon12]

I can’t wait to play Edison RU

[@GG_Nowa]

Smogon formats aren't official and themselves have shown to have terrible cracks in the system as it went on

[@Epzilon12]

@@GG_Nowa Yeah, both VGC and Smogon certainly have their own fair share of problems. It is nice when a mon you like is doing something somewhere though.

[@ZodiacMeteor]

@@GG_Nowa Ehhh, I disagree. As a whole, yes the system isn't perfect. The idea is good though, try to make a format as diverse as possible by limited who can use what. Smogon is not flawless and I get the arguments against a format like it, but it's far, far better than any "balance" Nintendo has ever done. Incineroar is still one of the best Pokemon 7 years after its hidden ability was released. To put this into perspective, that's like Konomi never hit Zoodiac and Zoodiac never dropped below a tier 1 deck, EVER. Since it's printing, it would flux between tier 0 and tier 1 across 7 years. So why rely on a company not trying? I personally think a ban, limit, semi-limit list works better when there are less than 1500 cards in the game, not over 15,000. Just like Pokemon, to help keep the community engaged, it needs a different idea than just "no one can use this."

[@saito853]

Zoo got robbed, going second board breaker against a deck that searches Secret Village is crazy. That why you ALWAYS play Typhoon in the side just in case.

[@MattIsAMage]

such a good video. "here, you're not allowed to play anything remotely meta. this is what you wanted!"

[@f5673-t1h]

This is delusional. Power creep means that whatever CURRENT meta cards get banned, they will be powercrept by previous meta cards. It's mostly like normal duels from 2 years ago. It's delusional because it doesn't address the overpowered cards, but ONLY the TOP overpowered cards. Horus, Bagooska, Zeus, Chaos Angel... all powerful cards still allowed in this video.

[@MattIsAMage]

@@f5673-t1h bro why did you have to reply to MY comment. who hurt you?

[@f5673-t1h]

@@MattIsAMage You said "this is what you wanted". That's dishonest. Why are you weaseling out of addressing my points.

[@sigma190beta]

@@f5673-t1h Well, what did you specifically want in that case then?

[@f5673-t1h]

@@sigma190beta I already said it in the first reply. Remove the overpowered cards. ALL of them, not just the top ones. Dragon Rulers don't stop being overpowered just because they got powercrept. Zeus doesn't stop being overpowered just because he has like 10% usage instead of 15%.

[@eightteentwo]

Could you imagine doing this recursively? Like how Smogon handles Pokemon. But with 12.5k cards instead of the mere 1k pokemon. Several tiers of generally decreasing power level until even Shapesnatch is a meta threat in its own tier. Each with its own banlist for cards too strong within the usage banlist. I can't. It'd be a terrible idea that nobody would ever to do. And nobody should do. There are just too many cards to effectively test. And nit enough people willing to do the insanity of the initial tier testing.

[@zero1343]

While I don't think it could really be done to the same extent as all the different smogon tiers. If you kept it to archetypes and only did something like ubers, ou, uu then maybe it could work.

[@leonardocarvalho7306]

Card by card sounds impossible, but usage rate like what was shown in the video sounds like a good general criteria. Ban 15% of top cards to upper tier, wait for what's left to coalesce into a new meta, ban another 15% and so on.

[@Slenderman3222]

I recommend you to watch Last card standing by Farfa

[@Ashendal]

All this shows me is that yu-gi-oh at it's core is just a degenerate game where the entire intent is to just BM your opponent as much as possible until they quit.

[@philithegamer8265]

This post is sad but true. MTG's not really different in this regard though...

[@GG_Nowa]

This was true 22 years ago lol. The games always been a degenerate mess and that's why it's fun to watch

[@alliceazure5389]

"I ruined yugioh" he says, making a format I'd actually like to play

[@hatefulgaming1800]

Why this looks horrible?

[@KuroeNezumi]

If Silva, secret village and at least one of the two "the pendulum" links were banned I would agree. The less infinite recursion with a shutdown of one of the three card types in the game Pendulum has, and the less I have to deal with Dark World ripping my hand to shreds, the better. I also want to say that banning Dark Ruler would be nice, but it being more of a check on overextension makes me doubt if removing it would be for the better (also it requires proper follow-up or you just die to the crackback). Also, that Fluffal deck (with the bullshit and all, vs the godless stuff that was in the tournament at least; otherwise maybe dweller or toad eating it would be fine) definitely looked very nice, would like to play it.

[@philithegamer8265]

​@@KuroeNezumi Dark Ruler No More _needs_ to be legal at 3 copies at all times. Just get rid of the busted Extra Deck Monsters that give you floodgates and negates that are too accessible and get rid of all the busted handtraps outside of Maxx C, Infinite Impermanence and Droll and Lock Bird and limit Called by the Grave to one copy...

[@GG_Nowa]

​@@philithegamer8265 Savage and barrone are banned. Maxx c is banned because its busted.

[@khalilli6613]

The handtraps aren't the problem. Extemely powerful entire engines being 20 cards or under is the problem.

[@xaazii]

GEY?

[@brutalnobody5240]

translate to GAY

[@kollinpoindexter8859]

Its interesting using a tournament appearance % to ban cards. It would be cool to look at tournaments across the last 3 years, maybe in sets of 8: Looking at card appearance rates in top 4, top 16, top 64 across the 8 major tournaments based on side deck, main deck, extra deck then using different usage % at each level (top 4/16/64) to limit/ban. Then doing it for every set of 8 tournaments in the last 3 years, keeping the most sever restriction. Maybe add a honorable mentions logic section where you go in and ban/limit cards yourself. Then add in the ban lists during those 3 years and adjust the restrictions based on if it is more sever then the current bans. To be fair I am willing to bet the deck list between this and that would be pretty similar.

[@prodmoira]

Mbt fans try not to be insufferable challenge impossible

[@irresponsiblecaptain851]

I knew pendulum would just be cooked in this format

[@mamacoazul6621]

u misspelled gay

[@cashclam1126]

This was so hype to watch on stream. I went like 4 straight right predictions.

[@cturtle4573]

I would like to see something like this again. I think that trying to create a meta without handtraps is a good idea, it's just that a lot of decks that are stopped by handtraps from being toxic slipped under the radar from this current list.

[@smiletoday5696]

There seem to be a lot of YGO players who think like this and I really do not comprehend how far down the list you want to go before you find these alleged nontoxic decks. The game is incredibly fast and even rogue decks are very consistent if they play through 0 interrupts

[@N12015]

@@smiletoday5696 And that's because they got addicted to print "from your deck" to every single card.

[@cturtle4573]

@@smiletoday5696 I'd be willing to lose 1000s of cards if need be. Is it infeasible for such a list? Yes. I still think it's an interesting idea to strive for.

[@smiletoday5696]

@@cturtle4573 at that point are you not just completely curating the game to telling people to play a specific deck? At that point just doing theme decks is probably more fun and less confusing.

[@blastchaos4286]

​@smiletoday5696 They want to go all the way back before hand traps were commonplace, because every deck since has been created with them in mind. At that point you're just playing a time wizard format lol

[@zwei3179]

The overall problems i feel that need to be fix is quite simple Make Special summon into its own resource pool like say give it a summoning well that holds 5 to six special summons in it and it recharges at the end of the turn and some monsters can add to it Limit hand traps, hand traps are quite powerful, but there are limited it wont be as bad. Max c to one Ash to 1 that kinda of stuff, then you must choose to risk using it.

[@megaspacewaffles]

So kill decks like maykashi? No. Don’t put Max C to one. It’s FAR to sacky at one copy per deck. It sucks

[@kilikthedestroyer]

Yu-Gi-Ohs ruined again lets go!

[@dearickangelonej.legaspi6686]

Yugioh is essentially the Dota 2 of card games, everything is so broken that you need to scale everything to that same brokenness just to make them playable

[@RandomGuyCDN]

thats more league of legends YT commentor. the company that runs LoL and YGO are both idiots when it comes to game balance and power creep the shit out of their games because of the sunk cost fallacy of the mistakes. Dota 2 at least has counter play to alot of their broken shit.

[@dearickangelonej.legaspi6686]

@@RandomGuyCDN yeah i don't disagree but I feel like its more in common since Dota nowdays is more "Controlled Broken" than League's Company just being bad at balancing. Its more League a few years ago but I say around Tearlament we have been in the same level of brokenness and haven't really recovered from it, hell look at Swordsoul it was meta and oppressive but now its at full power and is still rogue best now

[@TheChipmania]

Wow, for some reason this kind of format looks WAY more enticing and fun to play, minus some outliers that could quickly be fixed. On the right track.

[@Bruham2]

Did you watch the video

[@smiletoday5696]

Which one of these games looked remotely enticing to you? Are we banning every towers monster and in engine floodgate? Give the YGO community like a week and this format will be the most insufferable pile of ass you’ve ever played

[@TheChipmania]

@Bruham2 yes, but it's still on the right track to be a much better format. Could get rid of a few of those cards, then it'll be fine

[@darkreuchiha1842]

Yeah I agree, this was way more fun than watching 35 snake eye mirror matches, and 100 tear mirror matches, and the filthy kashtira

[@smiletoday5696]

@@darkreuchiha1842 this is a novel YT video I can assure you once the novelty wares off you will absolutely not want to watch raidraptor vs dark world with 0 HT more than once

[@nick-playercharacter8583]

Maybe Konami does know what they're doing.

[@I_Tacocat]

This is much better than current format

[@kidumby7599]

(while getting my entire hand ripped before I can even play because I lost the die roll) "at least it's not Snake-Eyes"

[@GG_Nowa]

I'd rather not get hand looped for 4 and gryphon locked

[@Kumo-s6f]

Wait, you're telling me that banning the strongest of cards made over the course of 20+ years of powercreep _didn't_ fix the game? No shot, bro.