I Bought the Cheapest 300 PRC - Will It Group???

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[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@joebolt8873]

When you move the cross hairs tap the knobs a few times in order to set the sight on the scope and it will move till you get it right on, old school sighting in take a few boolits to get it dead on awesome video

[@rotisseriebear5394]

@@joebolt8873 Hey, Joe. I've heard of that before, but forgot what that does, or how it works. Could you elaborate on that? Do you tap it every time you move it a few clicks?

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

How much minus the Scope was the Rifle?

[@OleDirtyMacSanchez]

Would you ever consider buying a used Remington Autoloader, than upgrading it with the Aftermarket Parts that are made for the BAR Battle Rifle. That's including a Gas Adjuster.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Adam, I think you should bed the action. I like Howa 1500 rifles and I like Boyd's Stocks .what I've found out was the stocks need to be bedded. A free floating barrel definitely improves accuracy.

[@johncmitchell4941]

I found WW II Mausers ('sporterized'), my Savages, and a few others to be quite sensitive to stock screw tension. The 3 Savages with poly stocks showed me this best. Also my Kimber 84 (7mm-08) shot horribly and I knew it was factory bedded. I backed out the screws and snugged 'em back up in steps. 2 1/2" at 100yd to 1 1/2", and it's ammo-fussy too.

[@clintonlayne9253]

@@johncmitchell4941 John , Last February I bought a Sporterized Mauser 98 in 3006 . The action was drilled and tapped. I have placed a time appropriate Weaver 2 x 7 scope on it . I will have to tweak the zeroing so far it's acceptable accuracy with Remington core loc.

[@RIParker]

All mine are free floated

[@scottbozarth8459]

Agree. Boyd’s stocks are fine, but really need to be bedded with something like Marine Tex or Devcon before they’re “complete”. ESPECIALLY with a higher recoiling cartridge like that 300 PRC. I’ve bedded several with JB weld which worked well, but I probably wouldn’t use that on any magnum cartridge. Use something with a high PSI crush rating.

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

Same in my experience. Had Howa’s in following calibers, .270, .30-06 and 6.5x55 all going into Boyds stocks. All of these were horrible until bedded, and I also added pillars. One could clearly see how the recoil lug was hammering the stock on the inside.

[@MrMagoo321]

Mine had a real heavy , bad trigger, a peened action and a wood chip embedded in to the stock where the action fits, front action screw too long hitting the bolt so they left it loose, I fixed all that and put a better butt pad on. Spent a long time chasing zero and accuracy on that skinny barreled savage 30-06. Refined my rifle rest so the cross hairs don't move. Finally got a .675" group. Now I can shoot it three times and let it cool and do it again.

[@ianstrachan9410]

At brownells you can get a barrel fan

[@MrMagoo321]

@@ianstrachan9410 yeah I've heard of them. Looks like a cool gadget. It gets really hot here idk if it would work

[@anthonyjancek2774]

Just got the EP5 5-25×56 can't wait to mount it on my 7mmPRC. Thanks WTW for the recommendation 👍🏻👌

[@MrMagoo321]

That's why I like a medium/heavy barrel on everything

[@TomL3grandsons]

Clean that barrel then foul it let it cool then put 3 down range and it’ll tighten up.

[@GrantConnell-wt6vk]

Shoot another 20 to 30 rounds and then check how the barrelled action is sitting in the stock. After you see the high and low spots from contact with the stock, you will have a better idea when bedding the rifle. I have 2 Howa 1500's. One in 300 BO and the other in 404 Jeffrey, a custom build. Great guns.

[@joelobryan1212]

you Gotta get some good handloads in 300PRC. My Christensen Arm 300PRC does the same thing your Howa did with Hornady factory match ELD-M. Now I shoot handloaded, annealed ADG brass, 230gr A-Tips, pushed with Retumbo powder. Experimented with seating depth in 0.01" increments to find what my rifle liked best. Consistent sub moa groups now with 230gr Atips being pushed at 2920 fps MV. Its a 1,500 yard monster now. may get some 250gr Atips to try that heavy bullet for windy conditions. In my experience with one 300PRC rifle, Hornady's factory 300PRC Match is crap for accuracy. Don't know why.

[@kennethcorporon2844]

Do a 50 round break-in on the barrel before you panic over group sizes. One of my guns didn't settle down until over 100 rounds. New barrels can act funny till all the machining burs slick out. I bought an Arken scope, very happy, thanks for the heads-up.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I'm a big arken fan

[@johnwaddle670]

I had the same problem with the 225's went to the 212 eldx was sub moa. After the ammo change.

[@MisterBrewer]

Love the sighting-in and accuracy testing videos! I think .75 and .99 is pretty good and I would be happy with that in a 300 PRC. I get where you're coming from, with the recent accuracy you've had out of your other rifles. I also understand that if you want to launch the 300 PRC missile, you want to launch it at long, long range and 1.5 inch groups are not ideal for that. I hope the Eldx shoots better or some other ammo shoots better for ya.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Stay tuned. Found better ammo

[@dankcincy]

There's a reason I pulled the 300Prc pencil barrel off my Howa and sent it off to get a 7 PRC barrel on it. Even after a couple hundred rounds it wouldn't shoot consistently. 7Prc had better ballistics and less recoil. It was kind of a no brainier.

[@MrCxiong116]

That looks like a thin barrel for a suppressor. Try regroup without suppressor see how the harmonics change the bullet impact.

[@michaelanderson5229]

New barrel maybe? Try cleaning it and doing it again.

[@iflycentral]

Might need to get that stock bedded.

[@chrislang5659]

Don't worry about ammo yet. Brand new barrel!

[@sullybiker6520]

Those rounds are _big,_ it looks like it is quite a thumper.

[@billhatcher2984]

The paralex could be giving you trouble I'm not crazy about the long range scopes with adjusters on the knobs you might give that a try

[@doylethorn9251]

Sometimes, barrel break-in is a real thing. Give it some more rounds down range and see if it settles in.

[@jamesdolgener7892]

Bed the action, it looks like you have movement. I always bed my actions and check the clearance down the barrel

[@nathanducharme8161]

really like the quality of the video. make it look like its from 2005.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Huh? I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. 🤣

[@nathanducharme8161]

Bit off bot. The video is very interesting but de image quality is bad my man.

[@billhendon1017]

I’m thinking of getting a 300 . Not sure which one !

[@bethomp65]

Something is moving given the shift from the groups.

[@Velocity4000Outdoors]

I would bed the action, thats a lot of recoil and movement in the stock.

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

Gotta bed (and free float) that stock. That’s where your inconsistency and poi shift is coming from.

[@garyk76]

Just curious did you make sure your barrel is free floated and maybe bed the stiock

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup

[@garyk76]

@@WHOTEEWHO I don’t know then that was the thing I thought it may have made the point of impact shift

[@garyk76]

@@WHOTEEWHO that savage 300 wan definitely looks like to me is a lot more accurate

[@ronwright1456]

Could it be 100 yards is to close for that round ,is it stabilized yet

[@Wootangtw]

That’s a good looking rifle… I don’t know what is going on with it… I think it’s the ammo… but you’ll figure it out… thanks buddy…

[@elvinirons5959]

Really not that bad , but I’ve seen your bullet slingers shot much better !! Great video !! Try different ammo !

[@garrettforchrist2700]

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[@sammartinez8084]

Great show my friend and your the best 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏🙏

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@rayjones5282]

Clean barrel vs fouled barrel.

[@bigdaddy5948]

Lot of good lower priced stuff these days

[@galenhisler396]

I liked your 300wsm 🤠

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Me too!

[@wheelchairhillbilly]

Finally got the song back. Just stick with your 300wby.

[@Yelladog78]

I wish you'd test rifles without the can, most of us don't own them.

[@gunnrwallace6323]

Maybe try bedding that stock

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Stay tuned. Likes other ammo better

[@chaddobson8793]

I can never shoot good groups with that same led sled with my 300s always do way better off bags.. which do you prefer and why ?

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Groups are same for me. Break the trigger same place every time

[@chaddobson8793]

Sounds good thanks!

[@pwmiller5759]

Still a fun and enjoyable video 👍👍

[@frankwaynefrank4081]

Cool !

[@adarshasokansindhya]

❤❤❤

[@tjgrossman]

Hornady ammo is JUNK!

[@texpatriot8462]

Is it just me or does the stock look like it was made from a 2x4?

[@glendavis9663]

👍👍

[@buickspecial6960]

Bed it and it will shoot!

[@161Sheriff]

Only 13 rnds. It’ll do better. It just needs broken in.

[@paulcartmel1373]

Pull the can off

[@RNSOutdoors]

Consistently inconsistent. Not what you’re looking for in any rifle.

[@billydavis6798]

Are y'all trying to kill a deer etc or knock the wing off a fly at 800 yards. Not knocking y'all but putting holes .5 apart in paper unless you are competing. I guess killing paper is a art form. I admire everybody's advice and way more knowledge than I have. God bless y'all.

[@diggingoonschmit]

Having worked in the Weatherby shop from 1983 to 1996, the Vanguard, made by Howa, always shot best when the barrel was bedded and bedded in the proper location. We tried and tried free floating, especially when we started the fiberglass and plastic stocks. These Howa barrels, which are highly accurate, need to be bedded. Find the right spot and you will not get near the degree of variance you experienced in this video. I also did some consulting with Howa after leaving Weatherby. They make a great product.

[@mrpearson8591]

👍👍

[@brianklamer3328]

I've always been a fan of Howa 1500 rifles, IMHO one of the best bang for the buck bolt actions a guy can buy.

[@diggernash1]

My SuperLite .308 and 6.5 Grendel ministalker have been great rifles so far. I'm really liking hunting with light setups.

[@connerm4850]

They’re very hit or miss. Gone downhill over the years

[@withinrangellc]

Had the same problem with my howa action in 7mm-08, in a boyds stock, off from a cadwell lead sled. Couldn't get a group less than 2in. Tried several different brands and weight. Took it out of the rest and just used a sand bag, and the groups shrank to under an in, with my best at .37in. Love your work.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I found better ammo for it. Stay tuned

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

Those Boyds stocks and Howas do best when bedded properly. Had to do it on 3 previous rifles. After bedding they are tack drivers.

[@daltontilley9037]

First bolt gun that I have put together is a Howa 1500. Got a barreled action from Brownells and put it in a MDT chassis and I love it. It’s probably my favorite gun to shoot. It is extremely accurate too.

[@LaneTaylor-s1m]

Honestly lately my hornady stuff has been inconsistent but nice job love your stuff

[@andreisharma]

Yeah I think it might leave a residue in the barrel. My hand loaded a2700 didn’t leave the same crap in the barrel as the hornady ammo I had to use because it was only thing available in 338 win

[@timothymartel1869]

A couple things. 1, The rise in elevation could be from early barrel break-in and the bullets getting faster due to the reduction in friction as the new rifling gets smoother. (I don’t even know if that’s a thing) But give it a couple dozen more shots before loosing faith in the Howa. 2, CHECK THE SCOPE FOR MOVEMENT! My buddy has a 300prc Christensen that took us three sets of scope rings to get the scope to stay put. 3, I’ve known two Howa’s, both were .5” MOA. 4. It is definitely harder to get Magnum rifles to stack bullets. Most of my consistent tight shooters are sub 30-06.

[@A-a-ron480]

I agree you may be suffering from barrel break-in. it seems like the bigger cal. Need it more?? I have never trusted the first box and sometimes the second, but if you used the same box for years could be a different story.

[@scubasteve3032]

I agree, hopefully it’s just an ammo problem.

[@chuckkulick8635]

I think Howa has a special break in process that does make a bit of difference had 2 6.5 Grendel that I broke in a la their guidelines took a box of ammo and some time at the range the first I just shot groups right out of box did good .75 to .89 range but the one I did break-in was .45 to .75 so maybe it makes difference or they would not mention a break in go who tee whoooooo

[@usafret4709]

Same on break in. I have a 30-06 HOWA, not great groups to start, but not bad. Got a 100 rounds through it and did a good cleaning on the barrel with copper solvent. It is a tight shooter now.

[@predatorhuntingobsession5104]

@@A-a-ron480I agree as well. Mine .300prc didn’t settle down until 125-150 rounds. But now it’s redonkulous

[@nj-bz8pv]

Think we got a flincher…. I don’t blame ya that round brings the funk. I like the .300 prc

[@davidlaney8254]

Many of these comments point to why everyone should own a torque screwdriver. It’s the only way to confirm if anything has changed after those initial shots from a new rifle and scope setup. And this is especially true for the larger calibers that produce greater recoil. Pick any system and when there’s a sudden change in performance, something has changed.

[@220swift7]

Did you leave the ammo sitting in the sun while the rifle was cooling? That will raise chamber pressures and velocity.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Nope

[@ValidSurvival]

Looking forward to more range tests and maybe a comparison with higher-end models

[@RobbieGraybeal]

You may want to pull the can off of it and see if it changes the barrel harmonics as well as bedding the action if that does or doesn't help. I have never been a fan of cans, but I bed every rifle I plan on keeping.

[@MrMagoo321]

I'm sure if it doesn't group good with one set of boolots you'll find another it does

[@RivenRock300]

I've been watching this Podcast for a couple of months and does the " CAN " on the barrel mess up the accuracy in any way ? Especially , on the " Sporter Weight barrels .

[@TheCodyO]

Im no expert.. but I do have an addiction to everything to do with guns, bows, and hunting. The answer is it depends. Often times the reduced recoil will help you shoot better, but alternatively in some barrels it may negatively impact your barrels harmonics.. you usually just have to experiment a little to know how your suppressed rifle will shoot with your intended ammunition.

[@tomforeman4976]

Last bran new gun i had took a 100 rounds to break in to stay on taget. And it come into.643 and added tuner brake i shoot consistantly at .433 at 1000 yards with 5 rounds. Yea im saying ot is imposible also but it isnt.

[@TMFShooting]

Another Great Video Adam '' Thanks for Sharing '' 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@tomquirin4231]

hey brotha adam , great vid n content as always , love all your rifles n shootin n such , you keep em coming brotha , talk soon > tom !

[@tomquirin4231]

LUV YA BRO BIGTIME 1 million % , i will never stop supporting you , thanks n KEEP EM COMING n keep those darn ticks off you , lol, lol, talk soon brotha > tom !

[@WHOTEEWHO]

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[@Eye_Guard]

Great video! Have you seen that 245 gr. bullet, (I think it's Berger if my memory serves)? That would be my Elk load 😊 I just need a 300 PRC rifle 😂 (You really oughta be pretty happy with anything under a one inch group. That .77 inch group is some damn fine shooting of a rifleman and rifle, scope and mounts! Keep up the great work you're doing. But i do understand loving some ½ inch groups 👌)

[@lynncox760]

1rst thing, Unless you want a broken extractor in the near future, stop chamber loading your rounds. Howa actions are pretty bad about that. Those extractors aren't made to snap around the case head, they are made to be fed into. 2nd, I am also a big fan of bedding Boyd stocks. They are great budget stocks and you definitely get your moneys worth but just about any action is much better served with a good bedding job. And as one other poster noted, I have also found Howa actions to be VERY sensitive to screw torque values. Only action I have ever seen as sensitive was an old Weatherby I bought years ago. Damn near wrapped that thing around a fencepost. Couldn't get better than 2.5" group after 100 different combinations. Finally landed on screw tension. Once I found the correct torque (called a smith that specialized in Weatherby rifles) damned if that thing doesn't shoot .5 to .75 and will eat about anything from 180 grain to 225gr !!!

[@ANW-cl7bw]

I know you kinda poo-poo barrel break in. But I always say the gun will let you know if it needs to be broken in or not. And by barrel break-in, Im not necessarily talking about complicated 1 shot, cool, clean, 2 shot, cool, clean, 3 shot, cool, clean for 40 shots or something goofy. Im just talking about shooting and cleaning in some fashion for at least 20 shots. To me going from a decent group right out of the box and getting progressivly unexplainable meh groups is exhibit-A barrel break-in needed.

[@artburhoe]

I've had new scopes drift after big adjustments and then settle down, a 5-6" move is pretty large. Great video in any case looking forward to your follow up. 💪😎

[@Thepaintballinfool]

Can you please compare this .30 cal cartridge to some of the other big ones? .30-06 maybe 300 weatherby maybe 300 WM

[@RAVENOFTHENORTHWESTGAWOODS]

It's proven that a hole in steel will constict and decostrct by a few .1000th inch with changes of temperatures I never fire my dear rifle more than twice without taking the temperature of the barrel to ambient atmosphere to match my hunt location But farther said, you going to kill a lot paper before you figure out what load that gun likes RAVEN, OUT

[@richavic4520]

Small sample set, wide results. Is finding higher precision more important than taking a clean kill at 100 yards? Silly question if the target is further away.

[@northcountryarmsroom6017]

If it's a new barrel, it only has 13 RDS down a budget barrel. Do a 100 rd break in, then revisit the video.

[@robertbeloit333]

I have a Ruger precision rifle in 300prc. It groups under 3/4 in with both match and precision hunter from hornady. Better than that with handloads

[@SEOKLADUCKIN]

Bed stock, then break barrel in , Then try Hammer Hunters HHT . Should wake it up

[@mcinnis79]

Cold bore is a thing. Its hard but to properly sight in a hunting rifle take one shot today, then tomorrow, then next day, on same target.

[@toddwestfall6054]

Just my 2 cents ..300 prc is a great round..but a heavy recoil round. I know it may be a cardinal sin, but I always use loctite blue on scope mounts and rings and torque them just to make sure they don't loosen. If u read the wheeler fat wrench instructions, their torque recommendations they reference are based on using loctite blue.

[@kellym3531]

It will get there, you just have to find the right black magic recipe and hold your mouth right. Waiting on the sequel.

[@sindeecharlton8857]

I do not like the 300 PRC. Why You ask? The recoil my not kill me, still the cost of the hosp. stay would cost me to much.

[@PFM0809]

If you left the ammo in the sun while your rifle cooled, you increased the pressure of the round. This will change your impact point. It's an old trick of snipers to increase range.

[@DRAGONRIDER385]

For me those would be good groups. But maybe it does not like that ammo. Stay 2A strong.

[@matthoward9860]

I have had trouble with my suppressor loosening as the barrel heats up on my howa. Messes with the barrel harmonics and spits your shots all over the target. Now i know to check it. I have had frustrating days at the range with my rifle not grouping well, when i know it shoots better. Only to realise the suppressor has come loss when i go to pack up for the day.

[@Nanobits]

I swear with all this modern day machining, if your weapon is still not shooting straight as a laser, then you clearly do not belong in the weapons manufacturing industry.

[@chrisevansgunshorsesranchi699]

I really like the Howa 1500 I think will more ammo testing you will get the 1/2 inch group you are looking for.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Better.... :)

[@chrismorin7479]

Try sliding a dollar bill between barrel and stock hot and cold and see if there's a difference. difference.

[@francoisbuys8783]

Have a howa in 6.5prc and it shot just like that, it was very inconsistant, had the stock bedded and it was super accurate after n bed the action

[@m444ss]

data point: (0.75+0.99+1.67)/3 = 1.14" over 9 shots isn't the selling point of all the PRCs supposed to be precision? isn't that what the P in PRC stands for??

[@texpatriot8462]

P = Profit

[@speedyforde3404]

I feel your dissapointment. Its tough to take a new rifle and have it not measure up to expectation

[@patrickmurray9409]

My time it was good to have 1inche groops, now we have snobs who think they hit an animal at a thousand yards. You still have to move that way towards the animal. Its up to you .

[@tylerisbell6916]

Sometimes the gun wanders when you are still in the break in phase

[@joemisak7925]

Only first cold bore shot counts in hunting.. never seen a deer let you take 2 shots to warm up the barrel

[@rodneyharrison7107]

I had a rifle that did all that once but after shooting several boxes it finally came around.

[@charlesmullins3238]

Get you 2 lead shot bags on that sled who….I remember when the 1st ones came out and my uncle still has it and old bags of shot that weigh a ton..S&W 30-.06 with 3x9 redfield he still has I 1st used round 95-96 I guess…up here in Hatfield&mcoy country..

[@WTF_Australia]

I have owned three Howa 1500's in different calibers.....None of them were shooters and I think the only reason people buy them is the price point.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

All of mine have been shooters. Like 4 or 5

[@brandonjett16]

I've noticed when I leave my ammo in the sun to shooting in the shade and letting my barrel cool down and wat temperature it is outside vs wat hornady clams there information against mine gets me better consistent results as wat u get or a little better some days in the sun do better not all the time every barrel and maker for ammo comes up different

[@rockhavenfarms7213]

Possible reasons. Scope mounting, improper scope contact with rings. Shift at ring to base plate. Shift at base plate to action. Action, the barrel may be coming into contact with the stock, this is a no go on the 1500. The action to stock contact point may be inefficient at the recoil lug, the 1500 uses a square style recoil lug and skim bedding is almost always required for precision work.

[@theoriginalOSOK]

I've had range sessions like this.... lol

[@GeorgeBurgers-xt5hr]

Some of my high powered rifles consistently start losing accuracy when they are not cleaned after 8 to 10 rounds. Maybe your rifle gets dirty fast and is dirty barrel sensitive.

[@jasonmurray9399]

While you were letting the barrel cool after your first group, was the ammo out on the bench in the sun, or did you tuck that away in the shade too? Maybe hornady's match ammo is loaded with a real tempature sensative powder and it got hot sitting in the sun. Maybe thats why the next 2 groups were high and more inconsistent 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Put it all in thr shade