I bought the cheapest zero turn, How bad can it be?, I got scammed

[@whatsup3270]

Please lay off that starter it is not designed to spin for 5-10 minutes. When you know the fuel line and pump are empty shoot some ether in the breather for the cylinders to run on until the engine pulls the gasoline through. Also those magnets should have been gapped. In the old days we placed a business card or double folded standard (school) paper between the rotor and the magneto to gap the parts, otherwise you can grind them against each other. I'm glad you found the issue.

[@Nova-m8d]

Bro he won't do any of that, lol

[@MT-od8tb]

Ether is harsh may start trying carb and choke

[@markcrane9661]

Yes i didnt see the coil gaps set !

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

​@@MT-od8tb Starting fluid contains ether, and is used for just that: starting things that are hard to start.

[@jamesbrannon9594]

Dude your dangerous

[@howardrobinson8578]

Check your gas tank vent. If tank is not vented it will quit after 10 to 20 min. Some mowers vent through the gas cap.

[@chasg9779]

and somehow mud dabbers always find a way to fill the vent hole with mud

[@kc9146]

$2300 is wild lol, China engine that nobody wants, seat is hammered, deck chute ripped off, deck covers missing & overall beat up…. $1k max.

[@brandonh8557]

That’s what I thought i look it up 3 grand new. He paid way too much.

[@JT_70]

It’s a Kawasaki engine, not Chinese junk.

[@kc9146]

😂 1000000% NOT a Kawasaki, that’s a Loncin… Made In China! 🇨🇳

[@curtisendicott5989]

So I’ve had mine 3 years basic Maint works great

[@B.Arnold-22964]

​That's toros own design engine some what of a copy of a Kawasaki​ yet it is junk. (China,) I watched a video a while back on a Toro rep talking about there motor. And thats the one. I've had vacuum reed valve cause those to not draw fuel also on a couple .@@JT_70

[@jorgelopez-gr3lq]

Good job diagnosing the coil problem. I would've cleaned up sanding the rust of the flywheel for better spark before installing the new coils.

[@swangan3z]

Sounds like it needs a little valve adjustment also from how it starts... good deal, I bought one for 1600 4 years ago... all I've done is everything you did hear,plus valves ( a month ago) runs an cuts like new...good vid

[@gilbertjaramillo8735]

I had the same problem with my Husqvarna ZT. The mower would run for about 30 minutes and then die. Fortunately, I checked the spark and traced it back to one of the ignition coils. Replaced both and have not had an issue since.

[@JoelTruitt]

keep putting on part's, sooner or later you'll get it. Purchase A Starter, you'll need one soon. Anyone Commenting Ever Heard "IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT , IT WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU?

[@Gatlin5000]

It was loose wires, the starter is good, after i tightened everything up, it doesn’t struggle anymore

[@JnitraM078]

I hope you're being sarcastic about "keep putting on parts"

[@AztecWarrior69_69]

"IF YOU TAKE CARE OF IT , IT WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU?" What a load of BS. If you take care of it, all it means that it may last longer and you get more use out of it.

[@randybeard6040]

That has always been my Motto and I never have Engine Problems on anything that I own, I even Run my Generator when not needed just o keep everything Exercised. I have a 3 Speed Chrome Fender Bicycle with Luggage Rack that I bought from Sears about 50 years ago, it still Rides and Works Great, just needs some new tires. Maintenance, Love and Care goes a long way, even for Humans.

[@abw121]

I purchased a new returned Ariens Edge zero turn two years ago. First owner could not get it to start? And first owner returned it. I made offer to manager of store….trailered home. Changed a 15 amp fuse, charged battery and cleaned cable ends and been using it for two years. Just added a grass collector system and just smile when riding it with my radio headphone on…..fortune favors the bold!

[@Zappy1210]

Not sure I can take advice from a guy who uses one of those "safety" fuel nozzles on their gas can...

[@JaspenKerplunk]

I started hating those things as soon as the industry was forced to apply them on everything. They couldn't make one that functioned properly, and the only one who did apparently had the patent no one else could use. When the patent involves safety or decreases the use of fuel or energy consumption... they shouldn't be allowed to patent such things. Or these patents should be allowed to be used without issue simply because of how efficient and simple they are. Like Voit having the patent on how they make icecubes. The most obvious design principle and somehow they got a patent on it.... that ain't right. It's like putting a patent on "round" ... No one else can make a round wheel, or steering wheel. And a patent on pedal placement... no one else can put the gas pedal on the right... Obvious the problems that would cause.

[@tazmankb26]

Obama can is what I call them

[@james35546]

You didn’t get scammed! You just didn’t do a thorough inspection before you bought it

[@amossnowdaharleyman9179]

I bought a JD Z 225 with a known blown engine for $300.00. Unit had a brand new JD deck. After new engine, 4 new tires and my labor it's into my hip pocket for under $2000.00. The big risk was the hydraulic drive motors but turned out they were in good shape.

[@JnitraM078]

Nice! What engine did you go with? OE or a good aftermarket?

[@amossnowdaharleyman9179]

@@JnitraM078 briggs from E bay

[@philheese1728]

Good job, but I’m surprised they didn’t suspect the coils. Oh well you have running mower. Good luck with it

[@Nova-m8d]

That mower is a boat anchor. It's been abused and left outside in the rain, the flywheel is rusty from rain or possibly a flood, and the entire mower was underwater. The mower deck was the first clue it was junk, it crashed on the chute side hard and the plastic spindle covers are missing which means some hack was working on it.

[@TheRaiderCritique]

Wasn't junk bro. You would have paid $6,000 for that mower brand new and he got away with having an operational zero-turn for $2,337. Sounds like a win to me

[@Nova-m8d]

@@TheRaiderCritique That mower is a pile.

[@TheRaiderCritique]

@@Nova-m8d looks like it's running and cutting to me

[@Nova-m8d]

@@TheRaiderCritique Half a lap around the yard?

[@tonybradley2801]

Those that know their mowers remove those mandrel covers because they only collect grass and dirt and cause the deck to rust out .Once removed you can easily keep the top of the deck blown off after each use.

[@woodlandburl6648]

Thanks for the fine lesson. Now, I will use this lesson should this problem happens to my 14 year old TORO ZTR. Thanks again!

[@DonziGT230]

Checking for spark when it died should have been the first test.

[@trudyburns86]

if you understand how the fuel system works gas cap is first, Lewis

[@RMartin631]

It's not a venting cap.

[@A.Edwardson]

The seat was your clue.

[@georgegohr1767]

no rip off, bad coils.. Happeens

[@TJAnttola]

Or the ignition module.

[@josephpresley8370]

I see others had same idea as me. Unscrew gas cap does it have a vacuum? If so try it with cap loose because tank isn’t vented but glad you got it up and going 👍

[@edthompson1727]

This video has inspired me to make a video on how a small engine shop swapped parts out from my brand new chainsaw.

[@Gatlin5000]

This is common and so frustrating that your forced to either gable your equipment, or find the time to fix it yourself.

[@bryanleslie2617]

Was it a warranty job?

[@DennisSantoro-f5g]

You will definitely need a starter running it like that. Coils or valves would be first thing I would check.

[@scottfirman]

throwing the parts cannon at it right from the start. Remember, an engine needs 3 things to run, if any of those 3 things stop doing their job, THEN you buy the parts you need.

[@davez4172]

I usually approach these kinds of problems a different way. I don't load up the parts cannon if the problem is easily repeatable. There are a number of diagnostic tests you could have performed after the engine was hot and wouldn't start. Spark, fuel and compression tests are pretty easy to do and the tools needed are not that expensive. But, as you said, you started with maintenance items you would have changed out anyway. Electrical components often will expand when hot and internal connections will open, causing failure. That spark tester would have come in handy on day one. You can also check the coils with a multimeter and test resistance. Whatever shop worked on it should have been able to find the problem but likely didn't want to let it run until it stopped. Time is money. Good work though, you weren't afraid to dig in and get it working. As others have said, set the coil gap with a business card and check the valve gap.

[@vittoriosilva1454]

Usually the fuel tank vent is clogged when that happens ...It runs until the fuel pump can no longer overcome the vacuum ....

[@dollarbill6877]

As soon as I heard the symptoms. I knew it was electrical. Something's getting warm and failing. If it was me. Would have changed battery and check charging first.

[@coreyhenry5468]

Sir $2,000 isn’t cheap. Now $500 is.

[@briancasey4917]

I have Toro Timecutter 50" cut with steering will for 6 years, with regular maintenance, it works great. Had to replace starter solonoid, only repair.

[@aday1637]

Did you adjust the valves or check the gap to see if it was correct? A few minutes spent there can really make the thing purr.

[@hernansalas4133]

We bought a 2022 timecutter just like this one brand new, about $4000 from Tractor Supply to use on small residential lawns. It's been a headache. The key wouldn't stay in the ignition, someone damaged it at the store and it wouldn't stay on except for when parked randomly. Dirt easily makes it's way into the electrical connectors and causes issues with everything, so those could use better protection or a thorough cleaning. The belt does not have an easy adjustment screw in case of wear, you better buy the exact one it came with and it won't last long. The tires suck, will not stop you unless on a flat surface. Oem blades are cheap and terrible, buy some Oregon blades. The pros, the my ride suspension is good, and the engine is great for the most part, just make sure to gap the new spark plugs. No complaints about the hydros, going on almost 400 hours and the unit has been kept covered outside on a trailer.

[@hernansalas4133]

Forgot to mention the chutes will break before you can break the engine in, don't sweat it.

[@roberteast4160]

My time cutter has a skip in it. Replaced plugs,carb, fuel pump and the starter. The slide discharge chute. Had a toro for 20 years, new ones are junk. Old one had 13 grease fittings new ones have two both on front wheels. Replaced half of this mower, within 3 years. About adding grease fittings to the front of mine.

[@JT_70]

My 2010 Timecutter has been a great mower with no problems other than had to replace the deck spindle bearings and a bolt holding the rear section together disappeared. Never had a problem with the Kawasaki engine.

[@Jim-MT]

That stopping problem can also be caused by a plugged air hole in the fuel filler cap (my John Deere L118). Took me awhile to figure it out but found the answer in the unit's manual under trouble shooting.

[@yankeediesel]

The coils in these engines go all the time it’s very common. The first shop who looked at it should have know that. We have a bin full of new coil’s 😂 at work it happens so often.

[@kennyplay5982]

I had that issue with a brand new Husyler. Took to dealer, corp said needed a bigger fuel filter. That fixed it

[@clashwithsirwolf2008]

I sell these. For the most part no major issues with the TORO engine. The thing i had to get used to is shutting this engine off full throttle. Always seemed wierd to me. Supposedly a Kawasaki clone but made in China. I agree with other comments. You should only hit that starter for 5-10 seconds. Starters are expensive. It has the my ride, thats an upgrade. But Timecutters are entry level residential, with regular maintenance they should go for 400-600 hours no problem. Its when those sealed maintenance free transmissions go out. Make sure you are killing the engine at full throttle like it says at the switch, cross your fingers and hope for 4 years. That would give you some value. And dont give up on TORO. Next time, consider a Titan.

[@michaelraddish7898]

Starters life has been reduced by 59pct

[@peterlatterner55]

Something you did not do is check the gap between the flywheel and the coil. If the gap is too wide, you do not get spark, and if too narrow, you have the unstoppable force crashing into the immovable object. Another adjustment you did not check is the rocker arm clearance. If the clearance is too wide, the compression release function does not operate and if the gap is too narrow, the engine will shut down when it gets up to operating temperature.

[@randybeard6040]

Remember to Always clean your Flywheel Magneto as this will make for a Good Electron Flow to Spark Plug...

[@FoxtrotUniformCharlieKiloDemoc]

2300? YOU PLAYED YOURSELF! PERIOD! Its always "I got scammed" when you finally realize you played yourself.

[@timr31908]

I really got scammed when I bought a brand new MTD Cub cadet... Never been happy with it..😮

[@chasg9779]

depends on the model i have a zt2-50 for 4 years cutting 2 acres every week, zero issues , than it has a kawasaki not one of those low level kohler's or china made mtd motors

[@tonyallen4912]

looks like the info is all here with one exception, always run at full throttle, pumps are designed to function best at full throttle otherwise it will destroy the center section.... Great job...Its not always fun chasing a problem but rewarding to discover the issues...

[@dennismaynard9392]

Run at full throttle? Are you kidding do you run your car or truck at full throttle?

[@tonyallen4912]

@@dennismaynard9392 It is a air cooled engine, wont hurt it unless it isn't serviced often. Read up on hydraulic pumps, Best performance at Full throttle, i have done it for years and never had a pre mature failure.... Your choice, pumps are expensive unless you know how to fix them, I do....

[@HB-yq8gy]

I purchased the 50" 23 HP Kawasaki v twin one without suspension ride at Home Depot in 2023 with tax $3741.58 Awesome my first zero turn cuts great!.

[@markdowdy73]

The first problem is that it doesn’t have a the Kawasaki engine.

[@Mrzizzy69]

that thing looks beat for a 3 year old mower, probably a good idea to check valve lash

[@ROMAN63706]

Sure looks like it wasn't taken care of for sure.

[@craighanson2983]

It don't sound like it has proper lash when he initially turns it over does it?

[@RonaldDaub-v9y]

Prime!

[@prestonrenify]

Seems to me, and based on your own skills, you got a bargain...though it's true the previous owner failed to honestly disclose. Your God-given skills enabled you to turn lemons into lemonade. Be happy, Guy!

[@RonaldDaub-v9y]

When they heat up the capacitance doesn't change its an open circuit that's not capacitance that's just an open circuit

[@RollinMyOwn]

Correct...the right thing would be resistance...

[@charlessmith833]

Also, the turns inside the coil can short with each other when heated and this will cause it to fail. It can still have continuity and check OK with a meter.

[@matthurley921]

There’s no way you paid $2300 for that mower..🙄

[@abw121]

Do yourself a favor! Lift the seat and follow the power cables from battery power and grounds and the starter mounts. Get your brass brush out and clean the corrosion off of cable ends and remount them. Just hearing you killing battery off after charging it shows battery may be replaced but the power and ground cables need to be inspected and cleaned. Just a little white powder corrosion can cause plenty of electrical gremlins after the mower sits. It also prevents the battery from taking a charge once mower is running?

[@danielebrparish4271]

Never start a lawnmower without checking the oil level first. I do that every time I mow.

[@40CaliberMr]

Oh Boy, where do I start..... forget it

[@zanderraymond7570]

My golf cart had an issue with the coils where it would run perfectly fine the first time you started but when you go to start it the next time it will not start because the coil is bad on it

[@fiero880]

Checking the spark and fuel would have been the first thing to check. You could have easily removed a plug within seconds to determine spark issue and not fuel. 🤷‍♂️

[@jimbob-nm6xn]

You bought used equipment so you win some you lose some but you accepted it and paid for it so love and learn.

[@InTime-x3j]

Good troubleshooting. 🙂

[@xani9133]

You should of changed the air in the tires, rewired the started, and maybe tried replacing the seat cover

[@RedneckRepairs]

1:20 into the video, and I suspect junk in the gas tank blocking the gas from getting out intermittently, possibly the filter, the fuel pump, or float needle blockage.

[@Paul-y7m8n]

I bought a 1984 d 782 diesel cub cadet one of the best mowers put here

[@chasg9779]

15HP Kubota 606cc 3-cyl darn thing will run forever

[@tonyking3125]

Burn up starters much?

[@melissamcknight2916]

Don't take your mower to him to get fixed ,should have changed the coil to start with. This is Del

[@jamesb.armstrong5433]

It looks trashed. No way i would have bought that. It's obvious that it wasn't taken good care of.

[@randybeard6040]

If it shuts down after getting up to temp., it could be a coil that is breaking Down, Voltage Reg./Rectifier that has corrosion under it where it grounds to Block or a Battery that is almost Dead from Voltage Reg. not functioning properly. I would ck. these things first...

[@daverose8772]

You need a valve clearance adjustment, The engine sounds like a bucket of bolts.

[@thomas-h8e5n]

You need to watch youtube videos on the your issues. Classic symptom of a bad coil is it dies or bogs down after 30 minutes to an hour. My brother did the same thing as you. He replaced a bunch of parts. I watched some youtube videos and figured it out.

[@stalehunter]

i am 3 minutes in and sounds to me like the coil is breaking down. when it gets hot it quits..

[@Davedontcare]

Id say whoever taught you that a bulb type tester is good for testing an ignition coil got you pretty good.

[@ChosesinWon]

Hey if you ever get stuck and you're able to pick up the front of the mower, turn it 90 degrees and you should be able to drive out. I'm a big dude so it's no problem for me, but I know some people won't be able to.

[@Gatlin5000]

I didn’t think of this, good idea thanks

[@ChosesinWon]

@@Gatlin5000 yeah made out of necessity.

[@newsweathertraffic18]

Years ago I bought a Wheelhorse that had the same issue.

[@kennethhughley1611]

Okay, you over paid. My moto is that anything man made can be fixed! Now, slow down and process each issue. Bad fuel, remove the old fuel and clean the carburetor, change the filter, and retest. Change the spark plugs and oil. Purchase a fuel line cutoff. Buy a new seat, recharge or replace the battery, check the belts, check the deck level. Do diligent! 🤔🤓💯

[@fredhinck9685]

Simple things first. Engines need Air Fuel Spark.

[@m4droid]

Seen coils go bad when they get hot and vent plugged on gas tank give the same symptoms

[@JT_70]

On those Kawasaki engines, pull up the choke all the way then push it back down the instant the engine sounds like it is starting. Wait too long and it becomes hard to start. I keep mine up only a couple of seconds before pushing it back down.

[@granpappy1961]

That is Not a Kawasaki engine.

[@chasg9779]

@@granpappy1961 YEP loncin a china made honda clone

[@mjmorrill081]

And why in the world would you spend that much money to buy something that looks like it came out of a cow's backside backwards? As soon as I saw this I would have put my checkbook back in my pocket got back in my car and left.

[@alexeatonexploresamerica5511]

Chances are it's probably a electrical issue whenever it gets above a certain temperature it automatically shuts down

[@Retrocidal]

I been selling for 40 years since a child i never ripped any one off and if the item had a issue I always tried to fix it but I am super honest

[@bobbylibertini]

I wish someone would "scam" me by selling me a TimeWaster for $2300 that needs minor repairs! (Instead, I went out and paid $7500 for a new Titan Max.....)

[@clashwithsirwolf2008]

76601?

[@bobbylibertini]

@@clashwithsirwolf2008 Exactly! (included tax) -Seem,s like one can't get a bargain on these... Found a small country dealer who had one leftover from '23, and he would only take $500 off...so I went for the '24. Would've loved to have found a used one or fixer-upper, as I never buy new...but there's been nothing decent for sale around here.

[@curtisendicott5989]

The rust on the armature’s needs cleaned off too

[@herlawncarellc]

Like that saying goes “never use another man’s tools” I apply my purchases with that saying. I’ve been scammed twice in the past before. Works for enough time just for display but for actual use? Yea it’s no good.

[@pursang101]

Dont know a lot about mower engines but if it was a bike id say the coil is getting hot and puking out.

[@iki911]

Engine's knocking. You should answer!

[@ericclark3782]

It's probably not a good idea to be playing with the fuel system while you are charging the battery. Those small clamps get easily moved and can cause spark.

[@daniellang6112]

Bravo! A+ for tenacity in finding cause!

[@zoemanpierretv]

I’m here buying $500 zero turn mowers

[@ttompkin]

Kinda had the same issue with my tractor, put parts on and it ended up being a GROUND

[@MrTaylorfenoglio]

i feel like the coil would have been the first thing to check with those symptoms

[@DavidParlier-do7yq]

I never seen 2 coils go out at the same time.

[@Charles-r2u]

Why did you not gauge the armature.

[@OrignalRobRobert]

How is 2,300 cheap ? I bought the same one that works great for 1400 this year

[@amandaandgabriel5950]

Please call the guy and tell him how you fixed it.... 😅😅😅😅 please

[@Bob_Adkins]

Does it have a low oil cutoff switch? If so, override it. It could be malfunctioning.

[@TravisDoesFirewood]

Good show, keep cuttin' brother!

[@AlfredoMorales-z2u]

It's your coil it gets hot engine turns off it's not your fuel

[@cptyler150]

The valves lifters or pushrods are the issue need to check the valve stems

[@briansmythe3000]

I was Gonna Say Coil Same thing happened too my Briggs and Stratton Took me awhile too figure it out ,Now stat's first go never stops ans starts when it's hot 🔥 😮

[@Hoot0118]

Gas cap , thing vacumed locked typically if it runs fine then after a while shuts of it cant get no gas and wont start. old snappers had a vent scew ontop nobody would ever unscrew lol.

[@douglasvine2516]

That's one of the Chinese built Toro engines that have been discontinued.

[@mishawnholt6655]

Should have gotten a bad boy brand new. Had mine three years no issues. Knock on wood. Cut 10 acres.

[@markschlageter3976]

Ffs why does the camera have to be in constant motion when it's not necessary

[@MT-od8tb]

Coil would have been top of list due to age and thats the only part that will get hot and weaken

[@AlfredoMorales-z2u]

It's your coil it gets hot

[@beliedat2457]

Battery wouldn’t go dead if you didn’t hold the starter on for 3 minutes. Hilarious you just kept throwing parts at it. You had no idea just like the guy before you 😂.

[@mora103]

Arien's zero turn mower at Lowe's brand new is $3500.00 if you get the I-KON XD model online it's a little bigger, but it's $3700.00. Tip: Most of the time you can just hit the coil and the little block on the wheel with some sand paper and the coil will work again 👍

[@jesusmylordsaviorking3726]

if it shutoff after 15-20minutes of use it could be a faulty ignition coil or stator