I Built a Forge World STORMBIRD: The good, the bad, and the ugly...

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[@comradebusman3]

For those wondering, forge world is asking 1,457.50 USD for this kit that doesn’t assemble right and damages itself after a short while.

[@bryantprak7129]

That why 3rd party 3d printing will be superior

[@Alertacobra12]

@@bryantprak7129 Bro, that's why I built my ownout of sprue and cardboard

[@josecarlosxyz]

lol

[@relicturtle7373]

Nope 🎉 don't wantnit tho it does look cool😅

[@Skellitone]

It's insane to me that the **VERY** expensive models that Forgeworld make often seem to fit together rather poorly. For the amount of money you spend on these models they should fit together perfectly and the instructions should not be wrong.

[@superchroma]

Yeah it's obscene.

[@uriance88]

Forge World Stormbird: $1800 (or so) Canadian, 147 resin parts vs. Tamiya 1:35 scale Tiger 1 (pick any of them): $100 (or so) Canadian, around plastic 120 parts not counting individual track links - including photo etched brass and infinitely better quality and fit. As much as they like to claim otherwise, GW is really just amateurs when it comes to model kits.

[@CMTechnica]

@@uriance88 shit there’s gunpla models less than that you have to build and their fit is like Lego. GW and especially Forgeworld are just atrocious at QA and fitment

[@Darrkerkg]

Even some of Bandai's more premium and expensive Gunpla cost like $300. And that includes tones of multi-color plastic pieces, sometimes lights, a few metal parts or a metallic finish... And all of it is snap fit. At most you'll have to use a few stickers if you don't want to have the eyes lighting up in those kits.

[@hextread9459]

, just don’t buy the premium product instead buy the one made in a Russian garage.

[@majikmindstorm]

This video sings all the reasons I will never buy Forgeworld. It breaks my brain to think a company would spend so much time designing such detailed models then go ahead and sell them at extreme costs just to have them arrive full of mold lines, covered in release agent, and warped all to hell. Nah. Sculpt what you can, 3D print what you can’t.

[@ScooterinAB]

That the windows buckle so much when assembled is what does it for me. I can completely understand the mold release. The mold lines are unacceptable but make sense on something that large. Some amount of warping can happen. But when your model actually damages itself as you assemble it is what calls the whole thing off for me.

[@adamj.mc.3078]

I have bought both forgeworld and recast of the same model, specifically thousand sons, and let me say, the recasts are both nicer looking and also far easier to work with. With them often being composited of pre-cleaned up models. They also came pre mold release cleaned as well. This, and they're 1/4 the price

[@WardenOfTerra]

No, they just don't know how to build a resin model lmao

[@nrgspike]

I'd strongly suggest either drilling out the landing struts and inserting metal rods, or put some supporting blocks under the fuselage, (particularly at the rear) otherwise the weight of that thing will slowly crush those legs.

[@1986fritzthecat]

yeah, that current UK heatwave may lead to some wobbly knees on this beast

[@dorkyface]

They're in Australia....

[@veren1838]

@@dorkyface GW manufactures their models in the UK

[@dorkyface]

@@veren1838 I meant Jazza and his team, I didn't realize they meant GW

[@warshak11]

yep he did no pinning any place in this build massive mistake

[@gar2yc]

Murray is a creature that manages to make me smile just by looking at the camera, i bet he's a kickass person to be around.

[@waveemann8857]

You're telling me this thing costs $1500 USD and you have to boil parts of it just to get it to fit together??? I could buy every perfect grade kit Bandai has ever made and have change to spare! GW really crazy for this one.

[@ScooterinAB]

Not just boil parts. That would be fine. When the model is damaged because you have to boil the parts until they are almost liquid again, that's the problem.

[@josecarlosxyz]

bandai is another level, I have many figures, all flawless since 2004-5

[@WardenOfTerra]

No you can't. You're lying.

[@mishtrong]

For this price you can buy a 3d printer and print several of those models.

[@rukachuu]

@@WardenOfTerrafor every single proper release PG, not including Premium Bandai special releases, you could very well get all, if not almost all PG kits Bandai has released

[@yellheahtris]

This simultaneously makes me want to get larger kits and also never look at anything above a centimeter again

[@rmo917]

As someone who owns a thunderhawk, and watched a few prominent channels build this, the manta & a WLT It really shows how absolutely garbage GWs quality control is when it comes to forge world. It's so incredibly frustrating how expensive these kits are and how poorly they fit together. There are certain parts that have nice crisp angles and should fit perfectly but instead they have 1-3mm gaps

[@tjtay02]

We do love some poorly made, over priced plastic

[@KT-pv3kl]

Resin shrinks when it cures and forgeworld uses silicone molds that are flexible so no quality control in the world could prevent this warping its sadly a part of this manufacturing process. Im not exactly a fan of gw and they had numerous quality issues over the years (finecast *shudder*) but looking at their current injection moulding plastic minis show their quality is rather excellent when the production process allows it.

[@Edheldui]

"as someone who threw a thousand dollars at them for poorly built stuff i don't get why they keep doing this". Your answer is in your own comment.

[@RaptorShadow]

I think this is why they're doing Horus Heresy 2.0 the way they are. An opportunity to bring a bunch of resin vehicle kits into plastic.

[@sanguinius1284]

For thick resin bits you can dril and put a thick wire or metal stick to unite the 2 parts prior to glueing to make it harder tobreak in parts.

[@dekai7992]

Yep. This technique is called "pinning". Very effective. Can also be done with carbon fibre and brass rods for big or structurally important parts.

[@jonathancampbell7798]

He mentioned he was too lazy to pin lol

[@sanguinius1284]

@@jonathancampbell7798 Yeah saw it later, I was watching the main haul and was like nuuuh it needs more .

[@sanguinius1284]

@@dekai7992 Yeah that is it, forgot the calling. Thank you.

[@bogatyr2473]

It looks great, I can't wait to see it painted all up. That said, the condition of some of those parts is utterly unacceptable, especially for the amount of money they have the gall to charge.

[@euansmith3699]

"What happened to the engine, Pilot; bird-strike?" "Flyrant Strike."

[@dubbingsync]

I feel like with both this and the Manta on Squidmar Minis, it nice to look at these sort of things but building it is a nightmare due to the quality control of games workshop or whoever is in charge of that.

[@Doney898]

Mate, Recasters now have better quality. It's embarressing

[@greenwolf1601]

@@Doney898 I bought a zoids kit from a Taiwanese recaster and it had less warping than this forgeworld stuff and it was in already colored plastic, forgeworld quality is unforgivable

[@Exidous96]

There's load of people out there who have designed better versions of these kits that can be 3d printed, I'd recommend checking those out (alot of the files are actually free I've found, or can be downloaded from a patreon)

[@extreme_primus6884]

@@Exidous96 yea nah

[@agimb2381]

@@greenwolf1601 Warhammer recasts are fine but I’ll never understand guys who recast gunpla/Mecha like this. The stormbird is $1000 garbage but those model kits are typically extremely cheap for official products and are sometimes made directly in Japan so they don’t outsource to China. I’ll always do recast over forgeworld crap but even most of GWs models are in the Uk you have to somewhat respect domestic production.

[@NPC-kv6ee]

fellow stormbird owner here, good to see I'm not suffering alone building the thing have fun painting it... :)

[@blakecarey8522]

Tabletop time should ABSOLUTELY run a campaign but all the minis are Lego and every prop, set, etc. are too. I think that’d be really interesting.

[@alexanderlovell2457]

Can’t believe it’s finally happening

[@stormycatmink]

Think this is the first build I've seen that includes the interior. Always wanted to see the inside.. thanks!

[@Xenko007]

Don't know what Warhammer is but glad you had fun

[@DCAMM720]

I'm so glad people make Forgeworld videos so I can just reinforce my view that I'm never going to buy Forgeworld stuff outside of a single knight kit. What a nightmare

[@Micsma]

Be cheaper to buy a decent 3d printer and all the bits to print a knight.

[@DCAMM720]

@@Micsma Yeah if I had more room I would love to get a printer set up but sadly space is at a huge premium in my place :| Even my "painting desk" is a tiny little thing that I might actually just remove and use my dining table. And on the subject of Forgeworld knights, it puzzles me they don't just make the resin bits and sell those separately. Like I have knight kits, I just want the weapon options for Magaera/Styrix and such. It's silly.

[@walton86thughunter97]

Man, I love the stormbird. But it can’t beat the Dakkajet.

[@nowhere474]

YES INQUISITOR, THIS IS THE POST MADE BY THE XENO LOVING HERETIC!!

[@drewbakka5265]

I made my friend a dakka jet out of cardboard. Ork stuff is just a crafter friend

[@smootherthanusual]

@@drewbakka5265 actual ork-like building mindset, believing it is as good as any other build will make it reality

[@donovansims3552]

Thank you very much for the step by step process you followed to build your Stormbird. It will help me avoid a lot of headaches. You rock!

[@Mad.player]

Forge World models are the best advertising for 3D printing. It is like GW does not even realize that at this point they basically work against their own interest.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

I’ve been waiting for the Stormbird video. First time ever seeing one of these on video, especially the build process. Thanks for sharing.

[@Chevsilverado]

Why is the price so high? Coming from military models you can get kits that are the same size and more/equally as detailed for much less than 1/2 the price, and those won’t have any qc issues. Is it just the fact that the company has everyone by the balls or what? I know it’s not quite the same size, but I bought a large Lancaster model for $300 and it’s by far the most expensive kit I’ve ever bought. The fit of the parts was spot on and the molded detail was exceptionally sharp. It came with a ton of photoetch parts and other little goodies. No way this pile of junk cost 4x more to produce, especially since resin kits are cheaper to make than polystyrene.

[@joeofdoom]

Total lack of competition.

[@Born_Stellar]

they are essentially making them like one guy in a garage would make something. the British love doing that for some reason, especially with cars.

[@ClarissaMeyer]

That looks even bigger put together. And so many details in places that probably won't be seen that much. Very much looking forward to all further steps along the way.

[@mtfgamma6257]

For future reference those are called Ailerons, Flaps are a component of the Ailerons that extend during takeoff (to provide more lift) and landing (for more drag) :D great build as always

[@Born_Stellar]

flaps =/= ailerons

[@christopherpoxon9508]

Bear Force 1! 🤣 That's great. Still waiting on a plastic version before I think about one.

[@AutismCentral69]

that looks sick

[@brendanarmstrong7802]

As a humble 3d printer, I'm perfectly happy removing supports by heating up my print and pulling them off by hand. But if I was buying massive forgeworld kits like this, I'd definitely be looking at picking up that Phrozen ultrasonic knife. Bet that would have made the cleanup process way easier.

[@ScooterinAB]

I would just print it. I would not put in this much effort and coast into fixing something that shouldn't be this poorly made.

[@tailsinge]

The lack of brass rods used as pinning or 2 part epoxy is stressing me out 😬 Good video on the least optimal way to build a large forge world model.

[@warshak11]

i agree this has no idea how to work with large resin , why do you use brass i have always used threaded steel rods

[@ScooterinAB]

It's a poorly designed model to begin with.

[@warshak11]

@@ScooterinAB no ,you just have to know what your doing

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

​@warshak11 for that price it should be snap fit like gunpla. There's 20 dollar gunpla that doesn't even suffer from this models problems. But as long as fanboys like you exist thinking its OK to fuck with an expensive ass kit that hard. Bruh you could get a 3d printer with all the fixings to get started with some left over to buy a lifetime of stl files. Do better

[@orozer6558]

Great video. Looking forward to seeing how everything turns up.

[@GeneralRasp]

Loved watching you put together the Stormbird and listening to your commentary during the process. But after watching this video and others, I won't be spending money on large Forgeworld kits. Seems like the bigger the parts the worse QC it has.

[@ReverendPONT]

They're definitely for advanced modelers but can be fun to put together. Biggest I've built so far is the Glaive and that was a nice kit. The Flyers do give me a bit of anxiety and I have the Stormeagle I need to build lol. I will say FW do stand behind their stuff so if you're worried about getting an unserviceable kit you really shouldn't. They sent me an entire NL Leviathan kit just to replace a knee cap. One I bought had to right knee caps so now I have two Leviathans.

[@ironbomb6753]

Advanced model skills required. Don't buy a high GBP item if you are not skilled enough to build it. No complaining allowed.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

If you have any serious quality control issues, you email Forge World and they generally send you replacement parts. A lot of the issues that Dave covered are due to the material, and yes, resin parts may need to be straightened out or bent back into shape using hot water or a heat gun.

[@ironbomb6753]

@@wolfie54321 fair enough, but it remains, without Forge World models, our hobby is empty of these fantastic models. ❤

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

@@wolfie54321 I don’t know what kind of quality control you’re expecting. What you’re talking about would mean someone at FW literally checking over every single piece of a kit for warping, mold lines, good fit, etc. and it’s not like the Stormbird is a small kit with 12 pieces. You’re talking a significant time investment on every single kit that Forge World sends out.

[@devindunn6383]

I literally cannot wait for the conversion/customization. Please release asap!

[@Voirreydirector]

Wow, this sounds like a great learning experience, that’s what my drill sergeant called my misfit rifle parts back in the day.

[@racek87]

Oof, thanks for the flashbacks....heard mine yelling in my ear...15 years later I'm still traumatised.

[@Kavouraki_]

Loved this episode!

[@looselycollected7505]

This is cool. I don't see myself going after one though. I'd really like a Thunderhawk tricked out as a Shadowhawk for my Raven Guard army/collection. I know some people hate it. But I think I'd rather find a decent set of files to print a Thunderhawk proxie and then figure out how to trick it out to sell it as a Shadowhawk.

[@kineticfunk]

i like these series episodes, its cool to get detail information on each part of the build, and it gives a much more realistic showing of how the hobby actually is c:

[@ritinkornas5336]

Just realised now that the tabletop time logo is not only 3 T... but also makes two chairs around a table! :O *mind blown* !

[@UncleTimTheHermit]

Fun fact, planes use red light because it doesn't destroy your night vision, otherwise your eyes would constantly have to readjust to the darkness outside everytime you glance at your instruments.

[@CMTechnica]

Not quite. It’s less extreme than other color frequencies, so it only takes five minutes for your night vision to return, not thirty US Navy and Air Force transport craft are rotating to blue light, as are Army. Studies show the time for night vision return is identical, but the big reason is so medics can more easily see blood.

[@Unaidedfoot]

Looks amazing!

[@rhino2960]

6:20 could be flaps, could be ailerons, ailerons are what makes the plane go up and down and they tend to span the entire wing, flaps are used to create extra lift while landing and extra drag while diving, and im not sure if they span the whole wing, but theyre longer than the ailerons usually are, so when deployed they stick out into the wind more.

[@LeadSkillets]

I really love the FW models and don't mind all the work required. I haven't bought any for 15 years though (and never will again) since my 75% painted An'ggrath decide to start sweating release agent. Pretty crushing when large flakes of paint start coming off randomly. I've seriously soaked and cleaned that thing for hundreds of hours in all sorts of industrial cleaners and the resin is still slippery. And yes, it was prepped correctly before assembly.

[@brianahawkins8124]

It's coming out great, see you next time. :D

[@nicolasreyes4469]

It looks so funky.

[@thedabblingwarlock]

Airplane nut here! Given the location and the shape of the stormbird, those inner flaps are either flaps, or flapevators (a combination of flaps and elevators) This is a big'un and I am looking forward to seeing the completed model.

[@Born_Stellar]

I also appreciate the fact that this would also never fly, except through pure thrust.

[@velrockartminiatures]

This is sick! I've had a proxy model of this I've been working on, but it's been on my backlog for a while since its such a big task.

[@guleri]

Thank you for building this in a video showing off all the troubles with it as well as its beauty. Looking forward to seeing this all painted up and ready for action. This video has told me that spending a fortune on this is not for me, as I really suck at modifying things to fit. Think I will stick with mostly plastic models...

[@AarhgYouTube]

I love the fact that Dave has an OneyPlays t-shirt. I'd kill to see that crossover happen.

[@sheolsheep6168]

How can forgeworld/gw pretend to ask this much money for something that's not even built right? If they were any other company they'd be long forgotten with such mistakes

[@aidan1R]

this is why recasting is so much better. my recasts had better quality control than GW

[@yeturs69420]

It's old school design. You are expected to be invested and able to handle this stuff. For the people buying it, the price isn't important. Not that I agree with it, but it's grandfathered in.

[@DuDuRAAAAHHH]

Its GW, they can do that

[@Pers0n97]

Having to build it is part of the appeal (that doesnt include the soap bathing tho, that shit should be done on their end), that said because of that their price should definitly lower.

[@epicaxeguy3323]

Because if you try to complain about it on any social media platform you'll get warhammer fanboys come in swarms to defend their favourite companies.

[@slackeratlarge575]

Can’t wait for the battle report ❤️

[@jphanks]

I was hoping for a longer video!

[@erikbraun473]

Really looking forward to seeing it used I'm batreps for kill team, ithe thing is so big it's hard to imagine using it as a model in a game and the plan for using it as terrain makes so much more sense to me. I do that with my old Necron monolith quite a bit and it's a 3rd the size and weighs almost nothing lol. Great video and really cool to see it come together. I definitely don't envy you in that though!!

[@bostin316]

You had me at " Bear Force One "

[@aldinviray2970]

I recently built a Forgeworld Leviathan Dread and I had a hard time assembling and magnetizing the whole thing. It' was pretty heavy for a solid resin kit. I can imagine your pain having to assemble that thing. 😄🤣

[@ashton7742]

Currently building the Orion Dropship and I can't believe you made it through the stormbird

[@robertlamborn7518]

love it, most forge world kits are like that. When you put the fire raptor together, was it warped and not square? there do you get the Bob Smith supa glue from in Australia?

[@kineticfunk]

you should also make a playlist for all the bear force 1 episodes

[@Sam-de6qx]

11:26 "Anally fix every crack and crevice." I see what you did there. Nice word play 🤣🤣

[@SeraphimKnight]

Gotta love GW models in which the more expensive it is the more shoddy QC is.

[@paulreason6485]

The red light is a common military thing. It doesn’t affect your natural night vision the way white light dies. Not something space marines would have to worry about. But a nice touch regardless

[@NornQueenKya]

I need 1 or 3 of these

[@iiruniaalice1764]

hype for the next battle report

[@1nePercentJuice]

My god this kit is a beast. I know it would slow down the production side of things but if you've got a piece that's warped or won't fit, Forge World customer service is amazing. They'd send ylu replacements in a heartbeat

[@Born_Stellar]

that works in the UK but aus to uk? id be 3 months per part!

[@1nePercentJuice]

@@Born_Stellar i live in California, more than 8,000 km away from their Nottingham HQ. Never takes more than 2 weeks from shipment to receive things from them, usually less. And can I just say a collective sorry for how FW and GW in general price kits for the Aus market.

[@DongLick]

So you paying almost 1.5k$ for be able to cut, wash, cut more, bend, glue, cover up the cracks and paint it? Sounds like a good idea. (Glory to the 3D printing!)

[@MegamanZero410]

The “ambient red light” is actually a tactical decision employed by most militaries as red light is the lowest wavelength and has the lowest travel distance, allowing personnel to operate and move within a vehicle without drawing attention with white light.

[@uriance88]

Also has the least impact on night vision - white light severly reduces ability to see in near dark conditions, red light much less so.

[@jacobheller3146]

God I can't imagine the metal version how hard and annoying that would be to build and the scare of it falling over and flipping the game table lol

[@ScooterinAB]

lol

[@BlarflarkleFace19]

If you do go through with the rig repair diorama, I think it’d be a nice touch to add some marines honouring a charred, dead space bear; as if he died during the combat that caused the turbine to fail

[@2dola]

What a beast!

[@thatgenericdixienormouspicguy]

So $1k for a warped pos, what’s new from FW. I enjoy watching the series, but man I could never buy this personally.

[@endfinum]

as good as your work is, this video shows me once again why i would never buy FW stuff... for the pricetag i can't stand that extra work you have to do just so you can use the thing you buyed

[@endfinum]

and then the model doesnt even fit together....

[@carabculln1232]

All the non superheavies are fine

[@davidadams7602]

@@carabculln1232 my tantalus came with no guns bent in multiple placess, thats a model not much bigger than a regular model...

[@carabculln1232]

@@davidadams7602 meh all my casts have come good

[@Bakamatsu-GojiFanArchive]

​@@carabculln1232cope

[@alabamakid2112]

What glue did he use for this? i've been looking for a good heavy duty resin glue for a while

[@mitchellscott-young5501]

This video was what convinced me to just print one instead of going to forge-world.

[@josephrigley8974]

Its a cool kit not something I'd personally ever buy but as a collectors piece it's very cool.

[@tomacc9859]

Should of magnize those ball joint so you could move the weapons around in different ways.

[@americanman3745]

I want a Thunderhawk, but resin model quality scare me

[@ComradeDerds]

Missed opportunity to put a red led inside the cargo bay.

[@SWATDRUMMUH]

are there such things a micro forstner bits?

[@thefriendlykenku8765]

You guys need to make a space bear imperial knight.

[@filthybrown]

i feel like this is going to fall apart without pinning every single part haha

[@JayJapanB]

Looks like it went ok other than the ailerons. Your lack of pinning bothers me. I actually love pinning everything when making FW kits. They're more involved than plastic kits, but it's a fun pastime.

[@PipFraggle]

All I could think of at the end was "For the love of Mike, Dave, DONT DROP IT!"

[@hextread9459]

Here’s a thing to note RESIN DOES SHRINK, so it is to be expected there will be some work with this no matter what.

[@christrudden5114]

I had to magnetize the ball joint mounts because they wouldn't stay in my Stormbird.

[@chriscurry761]

Between 2 warhounds 1 reaver 1 thunderhawk and now a warlord titan investing in a good heat gun solves most issue. I used glass glue 1 minuting set time put it place the parts together hit heat and it almost will mold them together.

[@cadencemaynard2449]

this is why you just print these types of things yourself and mod it anyway you want

[@Steel_Seelie]

The uppy downy bits on the wings are called elevators

[@boxfoxscoot1614]

Lego does some good ball joints I think if gw did something similar maybe uses a similar type of plastic it might get a better fit?

[@xero0083]

Your a better man than me I would have given up

[@alexanderandrews6980]

Yea, things like this video are why I'll just scratch build my stuff... Well that and Customization.

[@SiegeTF]

CoD's Warzone Resurgence has a glaring, blinding light in that damn cargo area. I hate it so much.

[@emchamberlain]

I am amazed you did not pin the wings.

[@stephenkolostyak4087]

Do you remember Armorcast? I remember Armorcast.

[@borisdorofeev5602]

Im actually surprised to say this but seems like a kit best left for a crash diorama or part of a map for a terrain. Since when youre done gluing there will literally be areas you can never again access.

[@rileyernst9086]

As someone who owns 2 forgeworld Macharius tanks for my imperial guard, I can say that sometimes forgeworld stuff arrives looking good and requiring minimal work in fitting together despite their idea of packing(throw it all in a zip lock bag, what could possibly go wrong with chunky hull components bouncing around with machinegun barrels etc?). And other times it's just god awful. Although unlike the poor bastard who bought that forgeworld horror story directly from them(my 2nd tank, from Ebay) I knew what I was getting into, was paying a quarter the price, and was completely happy to work the thing up to the standard that it should have been to begin with.

[@wolfwaffle1011]

cool

[@alvaroaugustomeridio]

For the price of that piece I'd expect it to not have gaps and be better prepared for mounting

[@ariandynas]

The 'flaps' are called Ailerons.

[@stuff6218]

Red LEDs inside!

[@withertechgaming8833]

That's no Stormbird, that's Bear Force One!

[@flaviusgerhardt9354]

nice

[@TomsTabletopBunker]

For how much these kits cost it should go together without having to saw large bits off