I Built a HIDDEN Booster Track to DECEIVE My Friends!

[@styleurcam]

you guys should do a track swap: basically everyone starts making a track, then at some point, you pass your track to the next person, then again, then play the results

[@eier69]

This could be fun but how do they pass it on?

[@jetfighter5385]

@@eier69 it takes time but I believe they can send each other the file

[@irigamoi]

“Woah, it’s-“

[@styleurcam]

@@jetfighter5385 Or they could use the steam workshop (there is a way to make a workshop item private)

[@yazuto]

would love to see inventive ways to troll each other with this track swap

[@triviavanille62]

In singleplayer, you get about halfway into the fast booster before it reverses direction; in MP, you get reversed almost instantly. You don't have time to really get the effect of the booster before you hit the other booster

[@GummieI]

The "problem" with the whole order of the tracks thing, is that there is significant times between each of your videos go live, so if we watch it right away, we don't exactly have the option to go watch the other tracks for sometimes quite a while. If you all uploaded within like an hour or 2 of each other, it would be much less of an issue I think

[@nic5423]

Hopping on here. We're going to watch them anyway. We just want to watch them in order. We don't want comment teasers. We want to be in on the jokes.

[@jonathanmacdonald9609]

About the video order thing: TL;DR No reason not to, please do it It's annoying to me because if someone says something like "hey this is an annoying turn but at least it's not Cosmo's track." That's funny if you've already seen it, but doesn't mean much if you haven't. You're not gonna leave halfway through the video to watch the other track and come back, so it's annoying to never be able to get that enjoyment, especially when there's a really easy way to get rid of that issue, but nobody wants to do it. Saying it makes you want to go see the other tracks more doesn't really help and for some people it might make it worse because that just makes your video potentially do better, but the watching experience is worse. You get that suspense anyway because people make comments about your tracks before you've played them, and those comments make sense if you haven't seen them because they're talking to people who haven't seen them. I don't really care, it's not really important, but I'm not bothered by much and it's a super easy fix so please do it. Some people might only be angry because there's no reason not to do it, it's super easy, and you know people want it but you haven't done it. They shouldn't yell at you but I can understand some frustration.

[@NeedaNewAlias]

Hi, Kosmo. I like your content. What makes these cooperations so hard to watch is that you all upload at different times. Can you synchronize that and link the other videos? That would make it much easier to get the complete picture. After I watched this video, I went to Kan‘s channel and there was nothing. And another question, is there a schedule when you are playing the game? I got the game, but there were only 2 open public lobbies when I went online.

[@circuitgamer7759]

Theme idea: "Escape Room" Also, I think at least one reason people get frustrated with not knowing the release order is that in quite a few of the videos someone spoils something from another person's track, but we don't even have a chance to avoid that because you upload these videos so far apart from each other. I think the way I would improve that is by putting the track order in the title or in the video (1/3, 2/3, 3/3) and uploading much closer to each other. That would avoid any of the problems I can see, and wouldn't be very hard to do at all. Just a couple more characters in the title and scheduled uploads. Less than two minutes of effort in total.

[@directrix777shinyshinyamyt4]

Maybe not the scheduled uploads, cuz varying editing paces and stuff, but putting that info in the title would definitely be nice~

[@mr.fraiche8635]

Not in title, that can scare off new viewers. But it might be cool to put it in the description.

[@directrix777shinyshinyamyt4]

@@mr.fraiche8635 Ah, true, desc would prolly be better

[@AzuleaFlair]

@@mr.fraiche8635 How in the world would that "scare off new viewers"? 😂

[@kholdanstaalstorm6881]

Since this was the first one of the Deceptive theme I've seen, I can't give a finish place for this track. But I'll say the execution of this theme was spot on from my perspective, so let's see what Dapper and kAN can deliver! Regarding the order of videos, for me it's like watching a series I'm invested into but someone has scrambled the episode sequence. So it's like watching a murder mystery series and you get several hints about the individual murders in the first episode, see a victim alive in the second and another victim alive in the third. Like in this, kAN is literally giving up some of the plot and that episode could be unavailable for a couple of days. So when I've watched all the tracks, all the discussions have "muddied the waters" and chunks of how the 1st and 2nd track was is mostly forgotten. I can say with certainty that you've all lost comments on several videos from me at least because I couldn't decide when it's days between and the videos was out of order. Don't get me wrong, it's my current favorite series from all your channels and I don't want to burden you all with tons of more work. But I do wish you all can see my and the other like-minded and discuss between yourselves how to find the easiest way to meet us halfway of some sort. I'll say it here and on the other's channels, I'm saddened if Dapper feels in any way berated because of this issue. That was certainly not my intention and I hope the same can be said for the others that has brought this issue up. Great video Kosmo, great theme, good execution and have the hallmark of a good track: easy to complete, hard to master.

[@shinyian82]

They could also just setup a order based on upload schedule to make sure tracks aren’t spoiled

[@LordDragox412]

@@shinyian82 That would make sense and is what many other people do, but since they didn't do it, there must be a reason for that. Who knows, maybe they get more views if the videos are out of order, so getting the order right for viewers would be detrimental to them as content creators.

[@fuzzycutething88]

@@LordDragox412 They could easily switch up what order when they’re recording. I feel like the mixing makes me not want to watch the other videos. Also the long waits in between. Like people like to watch things close together in order and when they are like mentioning things from other tracks that I haven’t seen because I didn’t know to watch it it’s like why would I watch that when I already know what’s going to happen. Like this is one of the first of kosmo’s videos I’ve watched because there is no real incentive to me to watch other channels (usually watch kAN’s) because when they mix up the order they can’t continue conversations or tease the other tracks. Like if you are given an order and it is posted in that order you get to feel more into it if you know what I mean.

[@beeholland5946]

Recording, releasing or editing? Since the recording order is the chronological order, I can only assume you mean releasing/editing@@fuzzycutething88

[@P901337]

I think darts, or pub games would be a fun theme. Darts, billiards, cornhole, stuff like that.

[@Dinkleberg96]

The idea for this track its absolutely genious! Imagine this track in a much bigger scale, it would be even better! Deceive v2.0?

[@deannaparr9448]

9:53 I love tat song

[@papercutger804]

Theme ideas 1. Red bull rampage 2. Inception

[@papercutger804]

I mean something like the movie Inception

[@pandabunny8521]

i mean the reason i want to know the order you play the tracks in is exactly because you guys keep conversations going not just commenting on tracks (which in some vids you do alot) but sometimes other conversations also you say that it incentivizes watching the all the videos if we don't know the order what kind of logic is that if we watch them in the right order than we understand the conversation carry over so were more engaged if we watch in the wrong order and you talk about other tracks alot then we dont know what going on and are more likely to abandon the video part way through TBH part of me has been thinking about going back and watching all of the vids and making a playlist in chronological order but that might be tricky to do for some vids and would be very time consuming

[@sirdogs8766]

It also would be such minimal effort to put a play order in video descriptions

[@starlight_maiden4300]

On the discussion at 12:00, yeah I definitely agree with that. Whenever there's mention of other courses it gives that anticipation of what's going on in the other courses. Although, it'd probably be better if the videos were all released within one day instead of spread out between two days. But, I'm not quite sure if it's possible to set an upload to become public at specific times. If not, then my thoughts about the videos being spread out up to 24 hours apart is moot as real life can be a huge factor on it.

[@kito2949]

About the fact that some people are upset about you guys talking about tracks in past tense, I think it's because some of you sometimes post your videos at a completely different time.

[@travismoore4411]

Yeah, I feel like people are worried about spoilers, and watching them in order would feel more complete and like they aren't missing inside jokes, etc.

[@limecows]

They also don't make it easy to locate. I just found these channels and if I want to watch historically, they only link to other channels, not specific videos, so if I want to see the other theme builds from 3 months ago, I have to scroll through the videos tab on each channel and hope their title is clear enough.

[@varindred]

@@limecows well thats partially true, all of them have a zeepkist playlist. I saved the 3 playlists so all i have to do is check there.

[@Josiah100x]

well its not only that we want to know the order but when not only can we tell what order we get a "links in the discription to the other guy's track" but then the other's vids are days later but were played first.

[@Zuthuria]

Maybe before the end, you could turn right (instead of left) and take an as sharp as possible left drift, and pick some of the boost before going back first Also love all of your videos, keep up the good work

[@dec35]

Jackie Cash is a man of culture I see.. and as we know, culture is temporary but trackmania nations forever

[@DearthXalex]

being in on the joke the first time is a lot better then having to find the joke. cause anyone who watches all 3 videos it makes it feel like they are experiencing it with you.

[@Hyena-Princess]

I think some people just really think the chronological order of events is important so that way they can feel like they are going along with it as everyone else does, and to know what's going on when someone refers to something.

[@Dcbuzzy690]

A track building idea; all 3 of you start with a start and finish line placed the same amount of space apart (like 5 long pieces) then you have to choose how to get them connected 🤷‍♂️

[@tropicalvikingcreations]

Track suggestion : flower. It's vague because you could make a the track a flower or theme it on flower or wte. Just has to do with flowers and have some semblance or intentions of being pretty. Doesn't have to be perfect. For example there was that tree line map. Maybe the theme should be plants to be more expanded and maybe get a wild map like that again.

[@Necrotechian]

for some reason my first thought to the problem of turning to the finish not working was what if you tried to turn away from the finish and use the booster to back into the goal...

[@BatalionHunter]

heres a theme though kahn might hate it. the track theme of off-kilter basically do a track where all the pieces don't perfectly line up the boosts are not ideally in line and centered (might have to post a warning for such a theme since I see nothing going smoothly and it tweaking that bit that desires symmetry and smoothness)

[@tannerkilbey10]

I wonder if it would be faster if right at the finish instead of going left right towards the finish go right and maybe you could get farther into the fast booster and maybe shave a few seconds off the time

[@bethpinnt9849]

I don't care in what order you play but I could see why. For ppl like me, who watch all three of you, they want to watch it in order to follow the convo.

[@ninjasuperman9538]

you guys will sometimes reference tracks as the last one or the first one in the video which can get confusing

[@Colrilu]

I'm actually a fan of the only showing your own track style you guys have been doing. I only wish you guys would sync up your uploaded, maybe schedule a premier time so that I can binge watch every track in one go haha

[@SpacePanda42]

Turning right at the end may give a better rubber band to reverse into finish.

[@serpentinious7745]

🎶 /< believes carts can crawl, Curl up into a fetal ball, Turns his boosters all around wrong ways, Back and forth the rest of your days 🎶

[@baspors8111]

Kosmo's track was first, Kans track was played second and dappers track was the last one.

[@NewtIsMeName]

Hey Kosmo, there is a really cool car that matches your helmet perfectly for getting the gold medal on level C05.

[@TheRealPauseacorn]

It dont really matter to me, but id assume Kan is right, with making references to the other maps

[@Fantaman900]

It would be nice if the uploads much the record order when they are talking different tracks. there is much time also between uploads thus you get to watch a vid a day pretty much. It gets hard keeping track on everything being talked about. just saying.

[@dasbratkeks3092]

I think the mp problem is not the game, it´s more the engine of the game and how it calculates the physics. For one player it´s easy to calculate the jumps, boosts etc. . But for a bunch of players, the engine have to calculate the physics for each player. The most engines can´t do that simultaneously (or just a few). And that´s why there are these differences between sp and mp. Btw: good idea and nice map!

[@DindellaTheDefender]

Just discovered you guys last night, but my input on the tracks being posted in order is probably spoiler related if y’all have different upload schedules. I, personally, don’t really care because I only just now discovered this is a long, ongoing series and, therefore, I can’t avoid spoilers if I try to catch up regardless. This type of game isn’t usually my cup of tea, even though I’ll play them just to hangout with friends, but this looks super fun to me. I’m not a competitive person, so perhaps I just like seeing all the creative maps people come up with. I might have to check this game out!

[@sonorangaming449]

maybe you can mirror the track underneath to hide the boosters?

[@Anikin3-]

spoilers are not incentive to watch the other videos because I was going to watch them anyways

[@lukepalmer2910]

I feel like you werent really feeling this track towards the end but i thought it was cool as. Good stuff dude

[@julienjeanbourquin1756]

Could be nice t see what you guys do with the theme : Magic or Magicians

[@Mysda_]

Theme idea for some bigger tracks : Bowser Castle (can be a recreation or a unique track!)

[@graylinbeaudry4651]

You guys should do tracks in the "style" of each other. I mean you each have a pretty defined style it'd be cool to see your own takes on different builders'creative ideas. And I was gonna ask if you guys could say what order the races are done in, too... It puts things in context. Jokes, references, attitudes, etc.. obviously we the viewers can put it together after the fact, but it'd be easier to feel like part of the "in" crowd if we understand the first go round. That's just my two cents, thank you.

[@yellowdragon101]

of course it's not a big deal, but it can be annoying when someone else's track gets talked about a lot and that person doesn't upload their video until the next day

[@brandonbaer9156]

I think people want to know the order because sometimes you guys give spoilers about the other tracks.

[@1SeaF00DYT]

Hey thank you so much, your videos have been getting me through some tough times

[@darealkosmo]

I'm glad to hear and I hope things start looking up for you!

[@KaziiTheAvali_inactive]

logic blocks would be EPIC

[@FoxDren]

Often you'll talk about the other tracks in the past tense before they've been posted which is annoying, especially when you have to wait 2 or 3 days

[@awol_b]

there is 100% cheese also: if it “might” not work, then you have no reason not to try, there is a chance the track will be made better, so dont just dismiss it with “it might not work”

[@t1geres544]

Ok, deceptive will officially be the last track of the season, school starts tomorrow, and I will count points. I will declare a winner on everybody’s next zeepkist video.

[@ManthaaHD]

wouldnt it be faster to turn right at the end and jjust skip the slow booster before the finish? because you were going like 90 into the turn to the finish and then backwards 50 into the fast booster. if you go 90 into the fast booster wouldnt it have more time to accelerate you because you would drive deeper into it?

[@sora_scorcher7921]

you know what it would be a good theme a the hall of memories. theme where you take your past tracks and Stitch them together.

[@ethanspiegler8291]

Keep up the great work Kosmo!

[@DerpyNub]

A chat message gave me an idea, why not make kacky maps

[@gamingwithflight6179]

Do a confusing theme and make a maze track

[@fudge0002]

Koz Kan dap

[@alexhuman3647]

Why didn't you try turning away from the ending on the last corner to get a better boost off the stronger booster and Finishing in reverse ?

[@alexhuman3647]

Haha see a lot of people have similar comments 🤣

[@cjslime8847]

You know that if people want to know the order of the tracks you do thy want to watch them all anyways it’s also spoilers

[@justadude7455]

14:29 :O Is this where logic was first mentioned?

[@caldhar1234]

If you had turned right at the end there then wouldn't you have more speed into the fast booster, so you would be on it for longer and get more acceleration, enough to get to the finish?

[@cuetipnl]

I dont play this game but what if at the last turn you go right to hit the booster first and finish backwards on higher speed?

[@Piercy0812]

I realize syncing your uploads would be a hassle so maybe you can all put the theme name at the end of your title: (deceptive). I know you used the word deceive , but each person uses different titles so it's hard to find the others. I'd love to go watch the others videos but theyre either not uploaded yet or I can't recognize them from the title

[@jackglover289]

You should do real tracks each person should chose a real world race track and make it in zeepkist

[@wolfclan2994]

I figured it out you can make it through the reverse ones into the goal and get caught bu the fan if you managed to get through at like 53 or 54

[@samadkins6727]

It's not a big deal but I was one of the ones saying there should atleast be a number in the thumbnail or something, it's not big but myself.. I don't even like seeing the thumbnail of the track, I love the surprise of seeing the video first

[@Great_Cthulhu]

Hey kosmo, what happens if you instead of turning INTO the end, turn into the booster to go into the end?

[@dahgman3225]

Better time with a hard left into the wall, strategic jeet into the finish??

[@wolfbane5948]

By what I think it's either kan, Kosmo, Dapper or Kosmo,Kan, and dapper all I know is dapper is saved for last 9/10

[@Angelofdeath7557]

When the Dev says you're playing the game wrong

[@darealkosmo]

That was the original title haha.

[@epoc162]

I rather know the order of the tracks played because I’m going to watch them all but I don’t like when other tracks are talked about I didn’t see. It’s like a spoiler.

[@yogi_minnis]

Need to have a popup when making a track like this that's say your playing the game wrong like in scrap mechanic

[@ohsapph1740]

using scrapman's build song near the end :0

[@leslienope-unintended8354]

Yannic’s “5¢” was the best comment.

[@Yfvihgkre]

Hi

[@eier69]

Hi

[@barthelnorfolk175]

Cách hát của đức phúc luôn làm hài lòng tất cả mn.

[@jeffnpatricia]

11:55. Ok I’m so offended rn. Hand on hips tapping foot.

[@dpd-uo4no]

order is kosmo, kan, dapper

[@louiscypher4186]

Theme Multi finishes.

[@billyj9168]

Do you have more torque in reverse in this game? didn't see anyone try that

[@darealkosmo]

freewheeling :) no torque to generate!

[@billyj9168]

@@darealkosmo Ahh thanks :)

[@kacperkonieczny7333]

Theme idea: Unintuitive

[@mordiaky]

I am angry that you are angry about me being angry!!!!!

[@darealkosmo]

ROOOOAR

[@PainApple96]

I'm surely not mad about it, but knowing the track order would be nice, often when I hear you guys talk about previous tracks, I just stop watching until the other one uploads, It's a bit annoying, but not a big deal.

[@FUGP72]

Did anyone try to wall ride at the end?

[@Jojogrec]

Could you do the theme interconnected paths?

[@dinodude7773]

Nice

[@beth7538]

Day 4 of asking do a Minecraft themed track

[@justinjager8412]

Also with the order thing maybe you guys spoil it by accident and it's less fun i guess. Idk tho cuz i don't really care about the order :)

[@livedandletdie]

Since none of you uploads videos within a relatively short timespan of each other. It's not the easiest to find enjoyment in watching the videos. If you want to bump up the amount of views, you need to watch it early, but if you do, you can't watch all 3 tracks after each other. And if you want to watch all 3 tracks after each other, well 2 of the videos will be a week old when the 3rd track is released.

[@Mysda_]

KZbin does the recommendation well. I watch the first one and it gives me the other when they are out

[@darealkosmo]

they are never a week apart from each other...

[@TheNealton]

Why did they only show 1 map?

[@darealkosmo]

check out the other guys' channels for their tracks!

[@Geoffreyplaysguitar]

Do invisible track

[@luckyswordsmen991]

What do the shiny red xs do and can I eat them

[@darealkosmo]

yes and yes.

[@mikethompson9555]

Maze races?

[@DaysofKnight]

If the Dev tells me I made the track wrong. I made the track wrong 🤣

[@JoneKone]

I need to know :)

[@MrWoofWoof03]

Now im mad i ask for trigers hinges and roters he like na but yall ask for the same thing he like yaaa

[@nicok.1491]

What? Who the heck cares about the order of the maps? Whats wrong with people, like if thats your only problem then gg you made it in life. It's not like it gives any sort of advantage or benefit to know the order... so who cares? I'm seriously confused. Btw. love this map idea, kinda turned out as a kacky map in multiplayer but still very nice👌👌

[@livedandletdie]

It's not really about the order, it's because they can't upload their stuff within a reasonable timeframe of each other. Thus why people get a bit salty as there's a video being talked about, that might take a week to be uploaded... like when Kan uploads, either he's first or his videos take a year to be uploaded. They could've made these videos public in a less erratic fashion. And I think that would solve the problem. Kan published one of the theme videos back when they did one theme per week, a week after the others, and it most certainly was annoying, hearing them talk about Kan's track, and then having to wait an unspecified amount of days until you could actually see it, and then you've forgot what they talked about it in Kosmo and Dapper's videos.

[@LoPhatKao]

some people just have no patience all the vids will be out eventually, no need to stress if you forget details between videos you can always go back and give the other guys more views

[@nicok.1491]

@@livedandletdie Okay that's more understandable but I have to agree with LoPhatKao

[@francescobagnato269]

Hello