I Built an Epic PreRunner, but I'm an Idiot!

Guys, I'm an Idiot! This is/was the Element Enduro Knightwalker and I turned it in to an Awesome PreRunner. a 6000kv brushless motor running 3s (approx 75,000rpm). Anyway, I thought I was being a know it all haha.
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[@Average_Bruh]

Phil. I'm going to annoy you.😅 Saying "IFS suspension at the front" is like saying "reverse back the car backwards." Loads of redundancy. Seeing as IFS means independent front suspension. So yep, I agreed. You are an idiot.😂😂 Just joking. A little banter never hurts. Thoroughly enjoyed your video, as usual. You're probably my favourite RC KZbinr. Took the top spot from Kev.

[@TomleyRC]

"IFS Suspension at the front"... oh yeah hahahaha.. what an Idiot. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@allanritchie1539]

Some people think they know what they are talking about, other people know what they are talking about. HAHAHA.

[@Rex_Stuph]

@@TomleyRC Don't feel bad, Greg from RC Driver constantly says "IFS suspension". It's like saying "Automatic Teller Machine machine". I want to punch my monitor every time lol

[@Average_Bruh]

@@Rex_Stuph I'm waiting to hear an American abbreviate independent rear suspension. IRS, the institution no one wants to be interested in them.🤣

[@Rex_Stuph]

@@Average_Bruh Explains why America has hung onto live axle for so long. No one willing invites the IRS.

[@Nickwillfixit]

A lot of Pre-Runners are two wheel drive with an 'I' Beam front end, but I would just leave the front end and remove the front wheel drive assembly for a near perfect Pre-Runner.

[@justinhaydocy490]

Proline Racing makes a I-beam kit

[@DoubleClutchProductions]

He doesn't care it's just content😊

[@danielnunez3518]

Steering geometry would be so out of wack

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, they were 2wd. But you’d need to do a bit of work on the front to get it to drive properly.

[@YoShImUrA53]

I'd just build a different truck with an older Axial SCX10-2 (or clone...👀) with the Proline I beam kit

[@Speedymats]

5:20 caught me of guard 🤣

[@disciplinerc]

You beat me to it 😮 Very cool build dude, you're right, they did miss that evolution, but you nailed it 🙌💯🔥

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, pleased with how it turned out. Just need some open diffs and then can properly rip it

[@scaleworksRC]

Your videos are like a fine meal, they take time 🤌✌️

[@henkketelaars]

@5:01 if you can't fix it with duct-tape..... you're using not enough. LOL

[@TomleyRC]

lol

[@Leedy818]

If you can't duct it fuct it

[@FastSS02]

I have a sign that says that in my barn!

[@2wheelLove]

we need more scale builds like this. Love the prerunner scale look!

[@TomleyRC]

I agree 😇

[@MrLilredmachine]

The key to getting the suspension on these right is bypass shocks and light spring weight, using the oil in the shocks to support the truck rather than the springs. If you can get an extra set of springless shocks on there that would help massively with the bouncing. The other thing successful prerunnner/trophy/stadium trucks like this have is being very heavy for the size. A UDR is 6+kg and the SBR tips the scales at 10kg, and that's without batteries. When you think that the wheels on these are considerably lighter than the mammoth wheels on something like an Xmaxx, that's a lot of weight in the body of the truck that is acting on the suspension which is why it moves like it does. Not having that weight means that the suspension is more likely to act on the truck than the other way around. Get some lead in there! Would also be tempted to try and extend the hexes or axles in general to make it less rolly, and either rivet some arch extensions on it or use a different, wider shell if you can find one. Truck looks cracking though, nice job. 👌

[@TWRC89]

5:19 "Put it in the wrong hole.. not the first time."😂😂 (sorry dirty mind)..

[@TomleyRC]

😇

[@richysrc2158]

If you have a 220x220 build plate then all you need todo is cut the Interior in half then print it , or contact knight custom and they'll do it for you

[@muskokamike127]

Yeah, then solvent weld them together.

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah, I had solutions… but it was just quicker to cut a pre made one 😇

[@Mikey.750]

Cool build! It’s something I’d like to try in the future. Desert truck setup tip: you want more weight in the back than in the front (opposite to a normal crawler). This helps the front end glide over bumps. Full size race trucks are set up that way. I’m curious to see how it would handle if you moved the battery to the rear.

[@Hillbillypunk]

I haven't seen a Toyota truck made with a straight front axle since the 80's. That one picture you put up was a totally custom thing. I'd say you're on the right track.

[@UNCLEBGA]

In the slow motion speed shots. It would be nice to stiffen up the rear of the body and also get the rear suspension to stop bouncing the truck into the air. Maybe get the front suspension to react to the terrain. Maybe it is too stiff? I'd like to see if you can get the suspension to work more like a full scale prerunner if possible. Hopefully you like this idea.

[@ExtremeRCReviews]

Sure a lot of Traxxas stuff in the background ya FANBOYYY! Hahahah keep up the videos Phil.

[@TomleyRC]

It’s hard to hide my love for Traxxas sometimes 😇

[@NoMatterDesign]

At some point, we all do or say something that truly is embracing. Doing it and then owning the mistake... that's courage! LoL And don't feel bad, my son calls me stupid at least 10 times a day. Mostly when I tell him "enough cartoons!".

[@scaleworksRC]

What a sweet rig! That driver and interior really ties it all together 👍🤜🤛🫡

[@Genrou138]

I totally want to do this build. Hemistorm mentioned it a while ago but I couldn't get around to it. The fact that you did proof of concept just makes it easier for me to recreate. Thanks!

[@TomleyRC]

It was fun to do, and fun to drive 🤟

[@PSF_RC-PatSmageFilms]

Nice! I did similar with my Knightrunner but haven’t put the trailing arms on yet. It’s fun with a fast motor but easy to roll which keeps it exciting haha.

[@Mr.NiceGuy80]

I like how the esc makes it sound like it has a massive turbo.

[@1980VINZ]

5:20 Not sure your wife wanted to expose that Phil 🤓

[@Steve_Monkey]

They definitely got it wrong. Looks much better now - authentic

[@nicolasleroy3796]

double clutch the boss of pre runner

[@makestuffbetter19]

I don’t often comment on videos but you got me with this one. I don’t care what element says. You did this right! Well done mate! I love making pre-runner/trophy truck content. We need more of this on KZbin!

[@S5UPERCHARGED]

Nice build, i thought of doing the same thing when i saw the first video. Pretty versatile setup 👍

[@shafiqjan1474]

I built a Utron Pre-runner with leftovers from a gatekeeper kit build, better shocks and some Michelin military tires on Boom carbon/delrin wheels to make things fun. Time will tell how much value I can manage with the RTR electronics, I'm Ready To Replace. Much like what you ended up with mine is fun to drive faster than my other crawlers. She is now my favorite after-mtb-ride fun truck. Cheers! 👍🏼

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, it’s a bit of a ‘Jack of all trades’…. I think a slight less aggressive surface would be perfect

[@shafiqjan1474]

@@TomleyRC mine is best as a trail truck, HW 2-in-1 may be next

[@FingerTightRC]

I’d love to see you with some polystyrene tubes and a heat gun come up with your own design for a cage for the interior maybe even with a window net setup on both sides. Then cut the back center section out and build a tube chassis center section with x brace and spare tire mount! Maybe a little radiator and intercooler lol. It would be e sick dude just go full on build with it!

[@petermakeithappen8336]

You did an amazing job with the editing. Making it look like a full size. I'm inspired to do this myself

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks Peter

[@onecleangti]

I remember building an IFS prerunner out of an emaxx 2 speed transmission and a scx10. It was unweildy fast but this brings back memories haha

[@willbingo]

Always a fan of custom builds nice job 👍

[@davidbaillie6523]

Shock towers and body mounts 😊 will make any body fit at the back.

[@user-ss6ce6wq7s]

You missed a Spinal Tap reference with that top speed run :)

[@TomleyRC]

I probably miss lots 😅

[@RC-Closer1313]

Nice speed on that truck… perfect I would say😳… those slow mo suspension shots were just awesome!!

[@kollincorkern2648]

killer build! and i agree, the IFS looks great! i would try and find a way to stiffen up that bed though. takes away from the prerunner vibe when the beds bending like crazy and its prolly going to start cracking soon too

[@FunLovingCriminal_JB]

Respect where it's due, it's not often people fess up to their mistakes... Shows strength of character that you're not afraid of being wrong... No one gets it right all the time but most would hide any mistakes... Incidentally, "I used to boast"... "But now I'm perfect" 🥰 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😇✌️

[@TomleyRC]

Haha.. yes, I have no shame in admitting when I’m wrong… unless of course I’m arguing with my wife 🤣🤣

[@FunLovingCriminal_JB]

@@TomleyRC 👌😇😉

[@KnuXx28]

my friend, no mistake on your end. Tacomas never came solid axle, not in the US at least. 85 was the last year our pick ups came solid axle. Prerunners also are not 4x4. that photo they referenced is a truck they likely modeled it after. I do admire your ability to be humble and move on! love your vids!

[@glynnanizan5966]

I had the same idea, but I will use my Knightrunner for the base, and see if I can adapt the trail arms... 🙂

[@tjkj-om9oi]

You were 100% correct, that pic of that rust bucket is a 100% custom build that only saw dirt for that pic.

[@Killa_b_rc]

The whine is the turbos. 😂

[@rrrccc1571]

Love it! Good colour combo and that interior does finish it off nicely

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic job, Phil! The truck just woke up! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks dude. Yeah… loads of fun

[@MAJ_T_Bagger]

Not sure how it will go on that platform but going from open diffs on my hammer rey to locked center and rear has made it traction roll a lot less and now it drifts nicely aswell, there were quite a few other mods at the same time but im pretty sure the open diffs were a big part of the issue, especially when paired with the spektrum avc gyro system... flysky tx/rx+gyro with 0 gain on the throttle channel is a god send for the rey platform

[@Rex_Stuph]

I think the Zuul was 'inspired' to be a 1/10 version of the Losi Hammer Ray.. which in turn shouldn't have a Fj40 grill, it should be a Jeep

[@seansullivan3795]

Man that thing can twirk!

[@TMIVRC]

Tomley I want Mojave 4 s video where it at ?!

[@TomleyRC]

Been busy with other stuff

[@TheSiebrowse]

Brilliant Video Tomley 👏🏼.

[@davidbaillie6523]

If you modify a Tamiya front diff of the tto2 you can use the c cup driveshafts and gear set ✌🏼✌🏼

[@harlyquin]

wow thats really cool, awesome job on that one, and yeah pity about the locked diffs but other than that great job

[@tiborbeetles1882]

This exact project on my wishlist, but the clear Knightwalker bodies are like hens teeth in the UK

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, seem to have been out of stock for a while

[@justinpeterson6839]

Similar to my Baja rey's suspension, that thing don't play it'll fling a tire off the rim even with beadlocks

[@benwilson2420]

Whata awesome build bud.love it

[@davidhaswell2066]

Visually it reminds me of the truck Top Gear used in the Polar Challenge

[@TomleyRC]

Yes kinda

[@benjip3232]

You know. If you bought them in order of releases. This is one of those extremely rare instances where you ran before you walked 😂

[@BrunkleDrew]

Thank you for showing your gaff. I respect honesty when it comes to rc youtube.

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers dude

[@Casitascrawlers]

Nice I just purchased the body kit & it comes with everything you see on it & is only $79 which is unbelievable I’m putting it on a SE with chassis mounted servo but I also had a Ecto with trailing arms that I could use I’m thinking about getting the front end kit but I actually kind of prefer the originals suspension.

[@shyancole2490]

Usually you are more likely to traction roll as you call it with a open diff you are more likely to just kick the rear end out and spin around with a locked diff

[@henrymrowka1142]

You should find a way to mount up the axial I beam kit to it and just have it be 2wd maybe a little wider or softer shocks so it doesn’t flip as much

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, that’s would be good

[@allanritchie1539]

Crawler come trail truck and basher all in one, who could ask for more. Oh and durable too, ACE IN THE PACK.😊😊😊😊 WIN WIN all the way.

[@TomleyRC]

Yes 🤟

[@Corndogtrip6s]

I just build one with my knight runner, now just dialing it in but I have a few questions, can I ask you a few questions today after work when it’s in front of me??

[@RockCrabRC]

Nice truck. You’re not an idiot.

[@8EZ]

As someone who has only 1 rc car, what are the characteristics of open diff driving, front and rear locked, and only front or rear locked? And when is a gyro good and not good to use? Thanks

[@anarochrc986]

Sick pre runner tomley 🔥🤘👍

[@insiainutorrt259]

Reminds me of my kyosho outlaw rampage pro in looks and driving to an extent.... i realy like my rampage extra fun and imressive being rear wheel drive it still can do offroad realy well... not slow tho

[@juststuffmadehere]

welp it looks like it would be a good rock racer👍

[@CK4RC]

Nice build!

[@jonmandelbaum5395]

Their bodies are gorgeous however I wish they’d use clipless mounting

[@shad0wscalek431]

I wanna name it “4x4 Altima” and tailgate every rc in sight! (Tacoma drivers here do not leave the ego at home)

[@TomleyRC]

We don’t have Tacomas in the UK

[@JamesBond-hz2tn]

Looks great nice swap 👌

[@d4ve587]

Dude can you use a Rc tank. Job done surely? 🤣

[@MustangsCanTurnToo]

It’s almost as fast as my nikko hawg 😛

[@ass1racing_869]

😂

[@TomleyRC]

Almost is good enough for me 😅

[@rcwreck-creation]

Nothing more respectable than someone who admits when they're wrong about something. Good on ya Phill! 👊👍😎 I wouldn't say you're an idiot dude. An idiot wouldn't say they were wrong, after making it obvious to them. An idiot would try to change around what they were saying to still sound right. 👍

[@ianjohnhorwood2605]

night walker , must be a vampire 🤣🤣🤣 .

[@TomleyRC]

🦇

[@Vincentf30]

This thing is awesome! They should have made it like this 👍

[@playanddisplay3636]

I endorse your decision on the body swap. Looks far better. NOBODY in the real world puts solid axels on Tundra's, Sema trucks aren't real trucks their closer to model cars.

[@TomleyRC]

Yeah.. I mean the truck it’s based on looks really cool…. but certainly better with IFS

[@5ShotProductions]

@@TomleyRC Hi, because of the fact that this question is making me crazy I‘ll have to ask you: Which app are u using for the speed measurements? And btw which Makita tool are u using? I only have the normal Makita tools and they are way too powerful for trying to loosen screws on my HPI WR8 Impreza WRX… Thx in advance and all the best from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp

[@robertruiz5417]

Excellent video

[@jonahrom1294]

it sounds like a mini turbocharger whine

[@csj9619]

EVERYONE eats crow on occasion. I suggest yellow mustard on it.

[@alxgu198]

5:21 Phil 🤭🤫

[@TomleyRC]

🙃

[@kevinklein1806]

for an open diff you could use a TRX-4 axle with the SSD portal delete kit in the rear

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, maybe 👌

[@mrbutchee1]

Should do a project with the MT12 Van.

[@mrbutchee1]

@user-tk8wr5wi7e oh really?

[@justinhaydocy490]

Try using the open differential kit for the Associated MT12 ASC 41114

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, might have to give it a try

[@gibsonlife573]

Now it sounds like you already broke the speed limit in there after you

[@5ShotProductions]

Another question: Which Makita tool are u using? The one at around 5:23min… Thx! 🙏

[@spiketwo666]

what shock would you recommend?

[@rcplaytime]

how did you secure the interior in the body? would like to do the same with my knightrunner 👍👍👍shocks looked great in slo mo 👌😀😀

[@TomleyRC]

Hot glue and some precision cutting so it kinda friction fits (also had to cut some holes for the rear shocks to fit in, and a hole for the transmission

[@TOYitCUTE]

finally some proper speed test ;)

[@allscalerc]

Awesome video!!👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@TomleyRC]

Cheers dude

[@RC-Closer1313]

Are you jumping on a plane and coming to Arrmageddon in Florida? It’s 20 minutes from my house👍🏻… long trip for you though

[@gerardsmith-go8ro]

Hi I’m looking at getting the mt10,but it’s abit rich for my pocket could you suggest a alternative which would be my upgrade I got the jumpshot v2 I’ve left it brushed but have upgraded the servos and running it with a 2s cheers for any advice

[@rab..]

I saw somebody built a gatekeeper with an IFS2 kit fitted front and rear , looked really interesting !

[@TomleyRC]

Yes, I think I may have seen something like that

[@richiebledsoe1006]

Phil they called fender liners lol

[@troymonroe9656]

Got a feeling they may be leading up to a Rey Competitor.

[@546268]

I think you created a desert racer!

[@krlaturn]

"uh oh, put it in the wrong hole.. not the first time" 🤐

[@TomleyRC]

🙃

[@user-dq6fv4lu3y]

Phil I have a question I have a Traxxas max that only has a Servo and a receiver what would you do?

[@barbedwirerat661]

Their version and the prototype are of course really cool trail trucks, but I do like the way you built-it up as a proper IFS/trailing arm pre-runner!

[@garykee1]

you put it in the wrong hole...not the first time..damn..your wife must be annoyed as hell! great vid! see you in the next one!

[@Del350K4]

Congratulations on your terrific camera work in this video, Phil.

[@AnthonyELombardi]

Congratulations?

[@Del350K4]

@@AnthonyELombardi Phil's always going to provide good tracking footage, but in this video it strikes me that he's surpassed even his own high standard. I don't know whether you're familiar with the effort it takes to drive an RC with one hand and to compose nicely-framed shots with the other. I have tried, and can assure you that it's quite a taxing task.

[@TomleyRC]

Thanks Del. I think the weather helped… Gopros love lots of light, so made the quality much better. Oh… and of course my second to none driving skills 😅

[@ralphhondaman]

Want a true pre-runner you should of built a axial scx 10 ii. Pro-line makes a kit for it.

[@jameswisecarver]

Morning Phil!! Nice trucks!!

[@TomleyRC]

Morning… well, evening now 😅

[@robbosrc]

Very Nice Indeed mate 👍

[@a1racer441]

I think the tacomaish looking body looks better as a prerunner honestly.