I Changed Astronomy Forever. He Won the Nobel Prize for It. | 'Almost Famous' by Op-Docs

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Growing up in a Quaker household, Jocelyn Bell Burnell was raised to believe that she had as much right to an education as anyone else. But as a girl in the 1940s in Northern Ireland, her enthusiasm for the sciences was met with hostility from teachers and male students. Undeterred, she went on to study radio astronomy at Glasgow University, where she was the only woman in many of her classes.
In 1967, Burnell made a discovery that altered our perception of the universe. As a Ph.D. student at Cambridge University assisting the astronomer Anthony Hewish, she discovered pulsars - compact, spinning celestial objects that give off beams of radiation, like cosmic lighthouses. (A visualization of some early pulsar data is immortalized as the album art for Joy Division’s “Unknown Pleasures.”)
But as Ben Proudfoot's "The Silent Pulse of the Universe" shows, the world wasn’t yet ready to accept that a breakthrough in astrophysics could have come from a young woman.
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Director: Ben Proudfoot
Editor: Mónica Salazar
Featuring: Jocelyn Bell Burnell
Producers: Elizabeth Brooke, Abby Lynn Kang Davis, Gabriel Berk Godoi, Ben Proudfoot, Brandon Somerhalder, Sarah Stewart
Cinematographer: Tom Welsh
Original Score Composed and Orchestrated by: Nicholas Jacobson-Larson
Co-Producer: Jeremy Lambert
Supervising Sound Editor and Re-Recording Mixer: Sean Higgins
Colorist: Stephen Derluguian
Post Production Supervisor: Dillon Brown
Post Production Coordinator: Laura Carlson
Assistant Editor: Cody Wilson
Sound Designer: Tom Boykin
Second Unit Director: Mónica Salazar
Second Unit Cinematographer: Haley Watson
Scoring Mixer: Brad Haehnel
Musicians: Garth Neustadter, Nicholas Jacobson-Larson, Erik Kertes
Story Reported By: Sarah Stewart
Consulting Cinematographer: Brandon Somerhalder
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@benproudfoot1409
@benproudfoot1409 2 жыл бұрын
Hey there! My name is Ben, and I directed this film. Happy to answer any questions you may have about the filmmaking!
@HerAeolianHarp
@HerAeolianHarp 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly shot and edited. Perfect balance of talk and silent punctuation.
@jdd8826
@jdd8826 2 жыл бұрын
The music is too much. Needs to be toned down.
@carlosivandegodoy
@carlosivandegodoy 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing job! Fantastic! How much time would you say was put into the film, from start to finish? Did you do the interview as well, or just directing?
@benproudfoot1409
@benproudfoot1409 2 жыл бұрын
@@HerAeolianHarp Thanks!
@benproudfoot1409
@benproudfoot1409 2 жыл бұрын
@@carlosivandegodoy The film has been in the works for more than a year! Yes, I interviewed Jocelyn, last June. We did it remotely - I was in Los Angeles and our DP Tom Welsh was in the UK. We used a special safety protocol so that Jocelyn never came in close contact/the same airspace with anyone during the shoot. Our editor Mónica Salazar spent many weeks editing the film - lot of hours by a lot of talented people!
@RayLiehm
@RayLiehm 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an actual pulsar & radio astronomer, and I just wanted to say that among our community, there's probably not a single one of us who doesn't know of Jocelyn Bell and her fundamental contribution to the field we all work in. She hasn't been forgotten by us, and I don't think it's possible that she ever will.
@ianboyle1026
@ianboyle1026 2 жыл бұрын
That's really good to know.
@sarah3796
@sarah3796 2 жыл бұрын
Ah this makes me so happy.
@lolad1257
@lolad1257 2 жыл бұрын
gravitational wave astrophysics here: same! My own thesis is surrounding neutron stars. Amazing to think that something that is so important now across all of the astro-genres was discovered by a graduate student. And one who didn't get the proper credit, at that.
@missmoncton101
@missmoncton101 2 жыл бұрын
pls consider telling us we would wanted to hear . promote the lady.
@dadbidad1322
@dadbidad1322 2 жыл бұрын
Why was the mistake, actually fraud, not corrected by the Nobel prize people?
@Victorialiciously
@Victorialiciously Жыл бұрын
I once attended a public lecture she was giving in my home town while I was still in high school. After the lecture, I asked her if he had any adive for girls going into physics, and she simply replied: “Only to go into physics.” This stuck with me through the hard years of undergrad and now I am doing a PhD at a prestigious university. I am so greatful to have met her, she really is a role model to so many of us.
@maunashakti4905
@maunashakti4905 Жыл бұрын
Amazing! & beautiful! One meeting with extraordinary person set the trajectory for PHD.
@AC-mp7cx
@AC-mp7cx Жыл бұрын
i support equal participation of women in the male dominated jobs that they conveniently don't want to do like construction, fishing, plumbing, etc!!!!!! There is too much oppression of women there less than 1% participation is way too misogynistic
@ALinn-vr3nl
@ALinn-vr3nl Жыл бұрын
@@AC-mp7cx Every one of my experiences exploring the trades was met with a load of misogyny. I graduated high school in 1980. I wonder how much difference there is today, if any. I almost never see women working in a car repair shop (unless it's her own) or a construction site.
@EleneDOM
@EleneDOM Жыл бұрын
@@AC-mp7cx Evidence that they don't want to do those jobs?
@msimon6808
@msimon6808 Жыл бұрын
My daughter got a degree in P Chem. She is a wizard at thermo - I have quizzed her (Naval Nuke). She prefers the social sciences. She graduates in that at the end of November.
@JillRhoads
@JillRhoads Жыл бұрын
@12:40 Her definition of a pulsar to visually show how Newton, Einstein, and Hoyle all got the spotlight, while she as a woman didn't was so poignant and moving. To whoever came up with that scene...that was beautiful journalism. Thank you.
@hdpmrr
@hdpmrr Жыл бұрын
They gave her three million dollars, and she gave it away to help others who might face the same obstacles she did. THAT is greatness.
@philosophicaltool5469
@philosophicaltool5469 Жыл бұрын
although I think that the idea of something that massive speeding as fast as a dentist drill is just silly, but indeed, THAT is greatness!
@maskedmarvyl4774
@maskedmarvyl4774 Жыл бұрын
Best comment on the board.
@travisnguyen9181
@travisnguyen9181 Жыл бұрын
@Umer Qaiser I mean, you can search it up on the award website and scholarship website. She only kept about 7 % of the funds! Although I guess there's no point in telling ignorant politically-polarized people like yourself that.
@hemlockVape
@hemlockVape Жыл бұрын
Many have done great things that will never be credited to them, thanks to horrible people and the ways that they behave. This woman is brilliant, and brave. Not only brave to walk the path she chose, but braver and stronger still to share her difficulties and help the world learn from them. We only have survived this long because we *LEARN*
@brandillysmom
@brandillysmom Жыл бұрын
Trolling may be Umer’s day job, night gig or whatever…..
@MatthewDoye
@MatthewDoye 2 жыл бұрын
She was my Prof, one of my heroes, and a wonderful human being. Definitely should have got a Nobel.
@maskedmarvyl4774
@maskedmarvyl4774 2 жыл бұрын
It seems the Nobel prize wasn't so noble.
@yavor05
@yavor05 2 жыл бұрын
She may not have been given the Nobel, but she proved to be noble. Look at just what she did with those 3 millions! What a role model she is herself, indeed! :)
@ivanleon6164
@ivanleon6164 2 жыл бұрын
you can tell just by this short video she is amazing. what a lovely human being.
@MCXL1140
@MCXL1140 2 жыл бұрын
@@maskedmarvyl4774 they gave a Nobel prize to the guy that invented the lobotomy. The Nobel prize has been a joke for most of its existence
@anoobiscooking1193
@anoobiscooking1193 2 жыл бұрын
U lucky sod
@hiprateek025
@hiprateek025 2 жыл бұрын
The confidence she's exuding is so impressive to watch. The pain in her eyes of not being credited at the time of Nobel is so evident. A great soul. God bless her !
@MICKEYISLOWD
@MICKEYISLOWD 2 жыл бұрын
She's over it and has had a wonderful life doing what she wanted. The whole scientific world knows it's all her discovery as she spotted it and knew it was an anomaly. She said she wasn't that bothered at the time being pushed out of the frame. The sexism and taunts form sexist bigots affected her much more than having the Prize stolen from her. I really don't think she would change anything now. I love her and wish I had followed in her footsteps becoming an astronomer. Such an exciting field and can't wait for Kepler to begin data gathering. It's going to blow the doors off everything that went before such as Hubble.
@abedbbb7083
@abedbbb7083 2 жыл бұрын
@@MICKEYISLOWD the prize was not stolen from her because she said clearly that Tony Hewish was the one who had the idea of the research and financed the project so he own the project fair and square sorry she had been neglected because she was the student and the underated woman but beside of that she received many prizes and honours for this particular discovery other than Nobel prize which is frankly biased prize and politicaly motivated and we saw it many times particularly the Nobel peace prize, the ones who need to get over it are the people who are emotional for it for no rational reason
@veles1415
@veles1415 2 жыл бұрын
@@abedbbb7083 He didn’t finance the project of discovering pulsars, he was searching for quasars. She discovered pulsars. She was the one who claimed that it wasn’t an interference and that this was something new. She was instrumental and should have received the reward. People like you who say “people are emotional for it for no rational reason” seem to not be understanding how many times similar situation happened where women were ignored and how many men use arguments like "How many women won nobel price in science?" as an argument for how men are superior. I m not saying Hewish should not have been credited or that he shouldn't have received the award, but he did attempt to minimize her role instead of acknowledging her and trying his best for her to be included as well.
@abedbbb7083
@abedbbb7083 2 жыл бұрын
@@veles1415 look what matters is not me not you not the opinion of people if the one who was unjusted did not get his justice then anything said or done is useless needless to say that she was acknowledged for her role later and the talk was about this particular case so don't project your understanding of this comment as beeing mine it stills yours i am not saying that women are inferior and i am not denying that some brilliant women were ignored or their work was stolen and you should ve understood from what i said that the Nobel prize is not the reference and should not be because is biased and not every great mind got it let us take an example do you know Sir Ronald Fisher? this man had shaped science as we know it he was behind a huge improvment in experimental design especially for clinical trials he literally made medecine a real science and he is probably the most famous Statistician ever beside beeing a Geneticist that revived the theory of evolution and established Population genetics his name is everywhere he developed so many statistical tests named after him but guess what?! he was not awarded any Nobel prize so if this man did not got it and he is way more influential than Ms Bell and he affected all kind of science as we know it so what it is wrong with this prize or with its committe ? do you think of it as a reference ?
@krislatoya7556
@krislatoya7556 2 жыл бұрын
@@veles1415 The way to look at it is eventually the truth comes out. Though she got pushed out of the frame, her story is known and has been told.
@caravanlifenz
@caravanlifenz Жыл бұрын
It's heart-breaking that her Nobel Prize wasn't awarded to her, but heart-warming that Fred Hoyle stood up for her. If Hoyle hadn't made a fuss about it, Bell may never have gotten any recognition for her work.
@ina_violette_
@ina_violette_ Жыл бұрын
Because he understands how much perseverance and hard work goes into discovering and pushing knowledge beyond the scope, so he probably felt strongly that she requires this recognition
@AshiStarshade
@AshiStarshade Жыл бұрын
It is totally normal. The principal investigator usually gets the prize. Wikipedia noted she said: "I believe it would demean Nobel Prizes if they were awarded to research students, except in very exceptional cases, and I do not believe this is one of them." However, if Hewish was discouraging of her interpretation at the beginning, I don't know if he should have been on the prize. I don't know how he presented the work.
@Sideshow-Bob
@Sideshow-Bob Жыл бұрын
@@AshiStarshade i agree, its a group effort, she was the researcher he was the leader of the team, without him there is no research, without her they would just hire another researcher, he gets the price, is not about gender. a special mention would have been nice tho
@MrStupidHead
@MrStupidHead Жыл бұрын
@@AshiStarshade The fact that it is common does not diminish the wrongness of it.
@Tempus-N0X
@Tempus-N0X Жыл бұрын
@@Sideshow-Bob without her efforts pulsars may have never been discovered or at best years in the future…..her persistence is what made this happen, the lead astronomer had declared this as nothing but noise.
@thomaswilliams9320
@thomaswilliams9320 Жыл бұрын
She gave a lecture to some schools in my area about how pulsars were discovered and yet she mentioned nothing of the nobel prize scandal and her struggle to get into stem. She is so incredibly humble and genuinely seems to enjoy science for the sake of science. What an incredible story, and an even more incredible person to have emerged from it
@sophiedenijs8481
@sophiedenijs8481 2 жыл бұрын
the part of this story i loved the most is that her inspiration, fred hoyle, fought for her recognition
@rahard
@rahard 2 жыл бұрын
a role model (Burnell) and how her role model (Hoyle) fought for her. what a great situation.
@neilmckay4097
@neilmckay4097 2 жыл бұрын
@@rahard Hoyle of course had his own experience of being an outsider, being from a fairly ordinary background, a Northerner, and later a champion of a number of ideas that were definitely not mainstream. I would think this might have made him more sensitive to the unfairness that Bell experienced.
@maybememory1
@maybememory1 2 жыл бұрын
Me too, I didn't know who he was before this, but that shows excellent character on his part
@cavelleardiel
@cavelleardiel 2 жыл бұрын
She is very fortunate that she had parents who reinforced and supported the fact she had every right to pursue what she wanted.
@MotorGoblin
@MotorGoblin 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe even more importantly, _we_ are very fortunate that she had that.
@surfaceten510n
@surfaceten510n 2 жыл бұрын
only to fall foul of two usurpers
@corryjookit7818
@corryjookit7818 2 жыл бұрын
@@surfaceten510n Do you really think that ? The Universe planned it in the correct order.
@cavelleardiel
@cavelleardiel 2 жыл бұрын
@@MotorGoblin Yes!! Good point.
@cavelleardiel
@cavelleardiel 2 жыл бұрын
@@surfaceten510n Yes, but those that mattered new the truth. It is just sad that it was not corrected for the world to know and those usurpers to be taken down.
@SKYGUY1
@SKYGUY1 Жыл бұрын
What a delightful, gracious and intelligent woman. This is a great acknowledgement to the true discoverer of Pulsars. She may have been "the man on the mast that shouts land ho" but it was the "moronic" ship's captain Hewish that first dismissed the signals and couldn't recognize the shore until she brought him some sand from the beach in the form of the expanded graph. He should never have accepted the prize on his own. Even his mother should be ashamed of him for that!
@spud3607
@spud3607 Жыл бұрын
Excellent analogy, and I couldn't agree more.
@Salmankhan-wb4xi
@Salmankhan-wb4xi Жыл бұрын
i hate people like that even in field of IT
@spud3607
@spud3607 Жыл бұрын
@@Salmankhan-wb4xi Who Antony Hewish or Jocelyn Bell?
@magnificentmuttley2084
@magnificentmuttley2084 Жыл бұрын
@Terry Ketron - Hear, hear!!! Well said sir and I could not agree with you more.
@lewcrowley3710
@lewcrowley3710 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. An arrogant and selfish oaf he is.
@drewcostenbader2943
@drewcostenbader2943 Жыл бұрын
I cried when they showed the picture of her holding the award. Wow, so inspiring. I'm so thankful for women like this who paved the way in science for the rest of us🙏💪🏻
@tensor131
@tensor131 Жыл бұрын
me too .. in fact tears are streaming down my face as I read and like all these comments. Jocelyn captures humanity and inhumanity in one life.
@swimgirl24
@swimgirl24 2 жыл бұрын
She still deserves her Nobel Prize! It was hers too.
@hood_avatar380
@hood_avatar380 2 жыл бұрын
facts
@Xylospring
@Xylospring 2 жыл бұрын
I demand she be given it.
@hood_avatar380
@hood_avatar380 2 жыл бұрын
@@Xylospring yeah me too
@PJZZZZ
@PJZZZZ 2 жыл бұрын
Can we petition for this !? If so please send me a message
@hood_avatar380
@hood_avatar380 2 жыл бұрын
@@PJZZZZ highly doubt that cause its a long time ago but we can try I geuss
@oigioioivn
@oigioioivn 2 жыл бұрын
Mad respect! She donate the whole prize which is 3 millions dollar to fund study of future scientist! What a beautiful mind.
@erickm119
@erickm119 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry but it's pounds not dollars
@M.Campbell
@M.Campbell 2 жыл бұрын
@@erickm119 2.3 million pounds was, at that time, 3 million dollars. She called it dollars herself. It depends on the reporting as to which monetary unit is used. It spends the same.
@sourabhkejriwal5762
@sourabhkejriwal5762 2 жыл бұрын
which prize?
@jennydavies7048
@jennydavies7048 2 жыл бұрын
AMEN.
@Katmansfield
@Katmansfield 2 жыл бұрын
they usally do that anyway
@manilkasheran2934
@manilkasheran2934 Жыл бұрын
I'm from Sri Lanka and organised inter-school quizzes on astronomy are a big thing here i.e. many schools have their own astronomy clubs and many students strive to become aficionados including myself. I distinctly remember "Pulsars were discovered by Jocelyn Bell" is one of the most prominent facts I memorized when I was in 6th grade and so did many of my peers becuse it was a question that would come up in quizzes so frequently. It was significant beacuse, at that time, it was very rare for a female astronomer to make a major discovery like she pointed out in the video. So I'd say she's pretty famous in the community.
@thomasdequincey8227
@thomasdequincey8227 Жыл бұрын
She sure is. I first heard about her from an American woman I met when she came to my country to work at the Parkes Dish, a very important radio telescope in the outback. She spoke about how she'd believed she could do it after hearing Jocelyn Bell's story. Role models matter so much. When you grow up not ever seeing anyone like you doing the thing you want to do, it's very hard to believe that you can do it. And it's hard for other people to accept you. I talked to my dad about my career in computing hardware, but he still kept encouraging me to be a librarian or work in a fashion boutique. Seriously. He thoght I should work in a dress shop. Once, he praised me for the way I'd taken a phone message for him and said: "You'd make a very good secretary, dear." I was in my 40s at the time and had post-graduate qualifications and had been running my own consulting business. I smiled calmly at him and said, "Than you, Dad. So would you. You have a fine phone manner and your handwriting is quite legible." He harrumphed. I managed not to laugh, then, but I still smile when I think about it. I loved my father, and he was an intelligent man, but by god did he have a blind spot about the capabilities of women! Like so many men.
@jellynozzle5040
@jellynozzle5040 Жыл бұрын
Yes, beaucuausue accuracy and attention to detail are so important.
@skywatcher2025
@skywatcher2025 Жыл бұрын
I got the chance to meet Jocelyn Bell Burnell at the recent PhysCon 2022 event, and she was such a kind and inspiring person!
@amdarcy
@amdarcy 2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful human being. I didn't just learn about pulsars, sexism, and justice, I learned about kindness, elegance, personal values, perspective, and giving back. Funnily enough already forgot name of chap who took the prize, his smallness has made him vanish from my mind already.
@pupikatz8442
@pupikatz8442 2 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable he just took the Nobel prize from her!
@anaibarangan4908
@anaibarangan4908 2 жыл бұрын
He couldn't even share the Nobel Prize with her. Two men that without her research and findings, nothing to get a Nobel Prize about.
@rod6969
@rod6969 2 жыл бұрын
bro he just died
@ll4925
@ll4925 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@swatiyadav640
@swatiyadav640 2 жыл бұрын
Guess the more appropriate word is insignificance to describe that chap
@frankheinzler3561
@frankheinzler3561 2 жыл бұрын
Above her scientific persistance, Jocelyn appears to be an award-worthy role model for a dignified attitude! Also a beautiful storytelling by Ben.
@noahedelson3618
@noahedelson3618 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this was well done. I hope women gain responsibility in gov't as well as science. I've been amazed that Germany actually has an ex-quantum chemist (Angela Merkel) as their Chancellor! I'm so jealous. :) She is apparently the unofficial leader of EU and in my mind the Free(ish) World.
@bruceainsley8927
@bruceainsley8927 Жыл бұрын
Jocelyn spoke at our astronomical society when I was a student at St Andrew’s in the 1980s. I still have the slip of paper she handed out to everyone (somewhere!) on it it said (approximately) “in picking up this piece of paper you have used more energy than has been received from pulsars since their discovery”. Fantastic demonstration of communication. A role model for all, not just women, and not just scientists. And carrying on the amazing tradition of the Religious Society of Friends in making major contributions to science and industry.
@ericfelds6291
@ericfelds6291 Жыл бұрын
Professors/ research advisors are notorious for taking credit for their underlying’s genius. This is another case and one that illustrates how deep systemic biases have seeped into academia. It was great to learn about this brilliant woman, I hope more stories like hers will be told in the future, and that the contributions of young women to sciences will become more widely appreciated.
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
All too common unfortunately. The really sad thing is while this woman seems to have gotten hers in the end, but most young men never get a second thought.
@judithbradford9130
@judithbradford9130 Жыл бұрын
I got an acknowledgement in the "thank you" section when my ex published the book we worked on together, admitting he couldn't be sure what parts were mine and what was his. But somehow this translated into a "thanks!" instead of coauthorship credit, because he was a professor and I was a grad student! I take quiet pleasure in the fact that it's the one out of all his publications that is taken most seriously, because it has more substance and better ideas than the books I *didn't* coauthor.
@scottwarner9856
@scottwarner9856 2 жыл бұрын
This was maddening. Imagine finding something that advances science in such an explosive way and your boss taking complete credit for it. That is honestly INSANE.
@stonefacedmedusa5542
@stonefacedmedusa5542 2 жыл бұрын
It’s actually pretty common. It’s frustrating but common
@stmbds
@stmbds 2 жыл бұрын
this is quite common in labs, especially if youre a young scientist with almost no connections or unknown in the field
@AM-bw7hv
@AM-bw7hv 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine? This happens every minute....
@taterkaze9428
@taterkaze9428 2 жыл бұрын
When do bosses not take credit?
@lyndsaybrown8471
@lyndsaybrown8471 2 жыл бұрын
Happens all the time.
@n.khaidar8926
@n.khaidar8926 2 жыл бұрын
As a female science graduate, I’m so grateful to these incredible women who have paved the way for us to be able to build our careers without prejudice and with pride. Thank you Jocelyn!
@whispersofveracity63
@whispersofveracity63 2 жыл бұрын
If you need a role model to do science then maybe you should be in drama instead of science.
@rithika611
@rithika611 2 жыл бұрын
@sabin97 no, the men did not pave the way for women in science. In fact common practice was to gatekeep scientific education from women, since they apparently used to "belong in the kitchen". While growing up, if everyone around you that resembles you is working at home, and not allowed to pursue higher education, your mind is not open to the idea that hmm, maybe I can be a scientist as well because no one like you has done it before
@jeant6502
@jeant6502 2 жыл бұрын
@@sabin97 Yes, they were. but were they freely seen as equals by some male scientists at that time? and don't project your hatred on modern woke (western) feminists on me, because neither me and my statements have connection to those. I'm just simply answering your question with facts.
@jeant6502
@jeant6502 2 жыл бұрын
@@sabin97 "Women's pursuit of an equal, in-depth, high-level education as adults has met many stumbling blocks over the centuries: inferior standards (or the complete absence) of education for young girls, beliefs in women's intellectual inferiority, and worries that education in non-domestic subjects wouldn't adequately prepare women for their "natural" role as wives and mothers..." (I cannot put its link because of KZbin moderation, but its article is titled "Here's How Women Fought For The Right To Be Educated.")
@earthgrazer2164
@earthgrazer2164 2 жыл бұрын
@@whispersofveracity63 Still it would very intimidating if everyone in society thinks it's not for you
@Gphdwre
@Gphdwre Жыл бұрын
Sad that she had to face harassment and her Nobel price was stolen. When this story is narrated by the victim, it is more divine. This story deserves to be made as movie.
@TaiwanLife2024
@TaiwanLife2024 Жыл бұрын
No one stole her Nobel prize. The thing is there is only one Nobel in physics every year and it can only be given max three people. There are so many physicists who should have won the Nobel but somehow they didn't because it's a very competitive field. Still, they didn't choose to whine about it because they are working for something bigger.
@helenesaintclere5639
@helenesaintclere5639 Жыл бұрын
Tony Hewish deserved some credit but he landed the lion's share of credit . I wander if the Nobel prize might be apportioned according to percentage of credit due . It then becomes politics. However it's politics that removed Fred Hoyle from contention for a Nobel prize concerning origins of life . Hoyle made waves at Cambridge concerning the treatment of Jocelyn Moving over to Oxford University , the saga continues concerning how much limelight credit that Alexander Fleming shoulda received for his ,, discovery ,, of penicillin. The real toil was done by Florey and Chaim but they weren't British and Britain claims the credit for penicillin. The mentality was different for the era.
@ftam6604
@ftam6604 Жыл бұрын
Start with a movie starring Rosalind Franklin, James Watson and Francis Crick.
@wishingonthemoon1
@wishingonthemoon1 Жыл бұрын
“Tradition.” That’s disgusting. As a (currently studying) female conductor, I’m facing the same thing over here in Europe that I never faced in the States. It’s terrifying sometimes. Edit: holy CRAP the media questions. The photographers. The lack of support from Tony. What absolutely horrible, horrible things.
@AC-mp7cx
@AC-mp7cx Жыл бұрын
i support equal participation of women in the male dominated jobs that they conveniently don't want to do like construction, fishing, plumbing, etc!!!!!! There is too much oppression of women there less than 1% participation is way too misogynistic
@thomasdequincey8227
@thomasdequincey8227 Жыл бұрын
@@AC-mp7cx I wanted to be a car mechanic. I loved cars, and still do. I was refused an apprenticeship because I was a girl. There were many thousands like me. I ended up going into computer hardware troubleshooting, I'd mostly taught myself. I was good at it but so often overlooked and underestimated that it became depressing. It's really hard to work in a field where people just assume you don't know what you're talking about, even though you do. That's why there's so few women builders, plumbers, fishers etc. we're discouraged from going into those industries, and if we do get in, we so often find ourselves in workplaces that are dismissive, hostile, and/or uncomfortable with us. But there are still some. I know female electricians, female carpenters, female builders, female engineers. I often seek them out when I need that service because I know that you often have to be twice as good as the men to stay in the field. Do you understand?
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasdequincey8227 how can you be sure your sexual organs were the reason you were refused? Are you sure it didn't have anything to do with being arrogant, or schedule conflicts or expected payment? 🤔 theres an awful lot of men who are refused apprenticeships and an awful lot of potential reasons for it. Kind of petty to assume you failed because of someone else.
@thomasdequincey8227
@thomasdequincey8227 Жыл бұрын
@@antonioyeats2149 No, they told me. This was in the early 80s. They told me "thank you for applying but at this time we are not accepting female candidates for mechanic's apprenticeships" and went on with some guff about it being an unsuitable working environment for a young woman. The also sent me alist of "suitable" fields I could apply for an apprenticeship in: hairdressing was at the top of the list I remember. This was through the government apprenticeship board, so it wasn't a single workplace. In my country, to be accepted for an apprenticeship meant you had to go through the Board. I went into computing instead. I taught myself hobby electronics and started putting my own basic computers together. It wasn't easy being a woman in that world either, but I got lucky in a job with a company that was very prestigious where they were prepared to give a woman a chance. Even so, there was only one female software programmer and one woman working in Final Testing and then technical writing, and me working with the hardware in R&D in the studio. Every other woman in the company was in admin or a secretary.
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasdequincey8227 what country are you from?
@randomflyingfrag7203
@randomflyingfrag7203 2 жыл бұрын
I love the cinematography behind 12:45, how when the "light" hits you, you see famous scientists, and when it doesnt, it shows a picture of jocelyn, or an "overshadowed light" its there, you just dont see it. Amazing.
@HCSCPT1
@HCSCPT1 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Particularly gripping storytelling.
@MrAilsaAng
@MrAilsaAng 2 жыл бұрын
oh my god yes
@elaineparry1179
@elaineparry1179 2 жыл бұрын
Good observation! I'm glad you pointed that out, because it went right over my head.
@LaLaBlahBlahh
@LaLaBlahBlahh 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I had the same thought, very clever and moving.
@alexandralynn186
@alexandralynn186 2 жыл бұрын
that was beautifulll beautiful story telling
@wendjys566
@wendjys566 2 жыл бұрын
Even Stephen hawking believed that she was the one who discovered it
@based9930
@based9930 2 жыл бұрын
Who cares what Hawking thought. He never produced anything of value.
@vtechvsmile
@vtechvsmile 2 жыл бұрын
@@based9930 ???
@maia9557
@maia9557 2 жыл бұрын
@@based9930 ur joking right?
@based9930
@based9930 2 жыл бұрын
@@maia9557 No, clown. Name a single thing that was invented due to his work.
@orphanoforbit7588
@orphanoforbit7588 2 жыл бұрын
@@based9930 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@qubitsforce2164
@qubitsforce2164 Жыл бұрын
I knew of Jocelyn 30 years ago when I did Physics and before that. She also did work at the Open University, if I am not mistaken. As a man, I thought she was fascinating & a very brave physicist. I want the same for my Daughter, who is now in Oxford studying Classics. Thank you Mrs Bell.
@M1551NGN0
@M1551NGN0 Жыл бұрын
Right here, im a boy of 15 and i aspire for astrophysics. I loved astronomy and astrophysics since childhood and i have read many books on astronomy, and there wasn't a single one where your name wasn't there, Mrs. Bell mam! You are really inspiring for me as I feel even I'm an outsider due to being an Indian, since the westerners consider us the so called "Third World countries". I want to upgrade the science and technology of the world in the field of astrophysics and solve some of the greatest mysteries of the universe like Dark matter, and possibly harness them as well. Thank you so much for being an inspiration!
@juliee593
@juliee593 Жыл бұрын
Pursue your dreams, I believe in you!
@M1551NGN0
@M1551NGN0 Жыл бұрын
@@juliee593 thank you so much I'm preparing hard right now as in grade 11 in India if you are a student with physics, chemistry and mathematics as your main subjects then you have to crack one of the toughest exams in the world: Joint Entrance Exams. If i do that then no one could stop me from achieving my goal! 🔥
@ocelotMartinez
@ocelotMartinez Жыл бұрын
You the real VIP kid.
@M1551NGN0
@M1551NGN0 Жыл бұрын
@@ocelotMartinez thank you so much! ❤️
@rebruisinginart2419
@rebruisinginart2419 Жыл бұрын
Indians have done remarkable work in the progression of mathematics and science, and especially in astrophysics. The financial limitations on institutes like ISRO and the like have led to some incredible breakthroughs that would not have been achieved otherwise. I'm a few years ahead of you, halfway through my computer science degree at one of Canada's most prestigious research institutes. I wish you all the best for your JEE and Advance exams. It gets exhausting at times but reading your comment reminded me of the way I felt in school and how far I have come.
@RupertBreheny
@RupertBreheny 2 жыл бұрын
I remember Jocelyn Bell coming to speak at our Edinburgh astronomy club 35 years ago, and she couldn't have been more gracious. There was never any doubt in our minds that she was the key player in the discovery of pulsars. I was exceedingly proud to meet her and value the fact she took time out of her work to engage with the public and ignite the love of science in a new generation. Thank you Jocelyn.
@therealberlinsylvie
@therealberlinsylvie 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s a thumbs up.
@blakejonesii6485
@blakejonesii6485 2 жыл бұрын
was she salty about it then as well?
@DOLsenior
@DOLsenior 2 жыл бұрын
@@blakejonesii6485 figures a man is calling her "salty" 🙄 You wouldn't understand.
@hypothalapotamus5293
@hypothalapotamus5293 2 жыл бұрын
@@blakejonesii6485 As far as PhDs and their thesis advisors go, this isn't even pasta water salty.
@blakejonesii6485
@blakejonesii6485 2 жыл бұрын
@@DOLsenior yawn.... here we go.
@robinsoncrusoeonmars8594
@robinsoncrusoeonmars8594 2 жыл бұрын
She is a role model. What a woman! What fortitude. Thank God for her. Many daughters are now taking to STEM because of her. Perhaps her struggle and story is more important than the Nobel. Thanks for the documentary.
@user-hy2ry3if8h
@user-hy2ry3if8h 2 жыл бұрын
Which doesn't change the fact women are just less interested in STEM and that's the only reason you see less women on STEM.
@julia-pw8fz
@julia-pw8fz 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-hy2ry3if8h it's ur kind of mindset that leaves less women being seen in stem for goodness sake
@eyekandi
@eyekandi 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-hy2ry3if8h and that’s men’s fault
@jan_phd
@jan_phd 2 жыл бұрын
Women taking STEM courses, adds nothing special to science.
@madusmaxamus8670
@madusmaxamus8670 2 жыл бұрын
It is sad that she doesn't receive the recognition and rewards that women need. She is a great role model and women should know this. She is a true star in her own right.
@aadhiimrana3771
@aadhiimrana3771 Жыл бұрын
Just want to say that you're not just a role model for young women, but also for young guys like who want to go into astronomy like me. Thank you so much for your amazing story, that has inspired and continues to inspire so many of us young astronomers.
@Obj331
@Obj331 Жыл бұрын
You were denied of Noble prize in 1974, press had no shame, two ignoble men shared the Noble prize, but after 44 years in 2018 you had THREE MILLION DOLLAS Breakthrough Prize all to yourself and yet you chose to give it all away! You are more than inspiring, much more than noble!! 🙏🙏🙏
@DrProgNerd
@DrProgNerd 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Dr. Hewish defended receiving the credit - while Ms. Bell-Burnell's reaction was that "pulsars were important enough to rate a Nobel Prize". She was happy about her field of study being recognized. He was apparently more concerned with being recognized. I love her passion.
@taylorawell
@taylorawell Жыл бұрын
*Dr. Bell-Burnell
@taylorawell
@taylorawell Жыл бұрын
Or *Dame Bell-Burnell Either way, certainly not "Ms."
@nmg6248
@nmg6248 Жыл бұрын
@@taylorawell Was Mrs. Bell-Burnell knighted? That would give the title of Dame. Also I don't believe she completed her doctoral studies which would give her the title of Dr. Either Ms. or Mrs. is appropriate for a married woman as Ms. is equivelent to Mr. acknowledging a title for a woman but not specifying whether they are married or not
@annwe6
@annwe6 Жыл бұрын
@@nmg6248 She holds an Order of the British Empire so that makes her a Dame.
@nmg6248
@nmg6248 Жыл бұрын
@@annwe6 I did look it up after asking. I’m so happy for her!
@janerex6927
@janerex6927 2 жыл бұрын
As the only female in my masters course in Theoretical Physics and about to enter an "all-male" research group for my PhD, I am so inspired by you.
@tshidi129
@tshidi129 Жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️ I just know you'll stand out
@yarakharam5343
@yarakharam5343 Жыл бұрын
@@tshidi129yes by having a vagina.
@tshidi129
@tshidi129 Жыл бұрын
@@yarakharam5343 Someone with a vagina made history, in the video that you're watching... Not to mention that you came out of one when you were born... Be humble
@charlesspringer4709
@charlesspringer4709 Жыл бұрын
Good luck! Stay away from string theory and study up on Clifford Algebras.
@barneyy6942
@barneyy6942 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesspringer4709 why stay away from String Theory.
@hlcepeda
@hlcepeda Жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised at all by Jocelyn's parents' reaction. When I was a kid there was a small grocery store right around the corner from us in our Brooklyn, NY neighborhood. The owner was a Quaker. (Yes, there were -- and still are -- Quakers in Brooklyn.) He was the most decent and welcoming person there, something I greatly appreciated as a kid in a not always welcoming neighborhood. Yes, that's only one data point, but I treasure it and what it perhaps says of Quakers by and large.
@foxylovelace2679
@foxylovelace2679 Жыл бұрын
+
@TheHoneypot27
@TheHoneypot27 Жыл бұрын
yes we don't hear enough about the quakers and thier goodness in this world. thanks
@sudhaunshuhardikar3933
@sudhaunshuhardikar3933 Жыл бұрын
I remember receiving a lecture from Jocelyn Bell, talking to her about her story was one of the most eye-opening experiences I've had.
@whalefuhk
@whalefuhk 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn’t imagine the pain she felt at the time and though all the years since. The fact she isn’t bitter against the world is so admirable. What a strong, intelligent, selfless and innovative woman.
@lampad4549
@lampad4549 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad most "woman" aren't like her.
@theplaylister
@theplaylister 2 жыл бұрын
@@lampad4549 Not sure what you mean here and I'm even more perplexed by the quotation marks... If you're referring to the not-becoming-bitter part, it's worth saying that it's a perfectly legitimate feeling. Any person would be right to feel bitter and enraged by the injustice.
@yvonneplant9434
@yvonneplant9434 2 жыл бұрын
@@lampad4549 Most men are not like her either! Why? They are NOT smart enough.
@AJ___USA
@AJ___USA 2 жыл бұрын
@@lampad4549 A majority of men aren’t like her, shes literally unique to the scientific community and yet they did her wrong
@informationyes
@informationyes 2 жыл бұрын
@@lampad4549 come on man you think woman dont ahve good quality's then do you think the same about men, Im a man and i would take it as well as she did
@Bill.R.124
@Bill.R.124 2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful story. She was robbed, but kept her head high. She inspires me to write up my own research (not astronomy). What a lovely film. Thank you, Ben.
@AdaAdi77
@AdaAdi77 2 жыл бұрын
what is your research on?
@princessjellyfish6057
@princessjellyfish6057 2 жыл бұрын
Awe when men are inspired by women
@c4rlob
@c4rlob Жыл бұрын
12:20 - decision to show description of pulsar detection shining in your face, paralleled with the recognition of astronomers, powerful stuff!
@juliee593
@juliee593 Жыл бұрын
She is so humble and so confident at the same time. I really strive to be like her.
@Niamato_inc
@Niamato_inc 2 жыл бұрын
I am in tears. History, Madame Bell will give you more than a noble prize.
@1angela2evans18
@1angela2evans18 2 жыл бұрын
Well she gave to us through her life and we celebrate her cuz she is the prize
@staceybard
@staceybard 2 жыл бұрын
This documentary made me cry as well!
@hindelhaj4037
@hindelhaj4037 2 жыл бұрын
What an incredible person. She literally decided to focus on the bigger picture and do her best to prevent barriers for future generations.
@faridosbuh8450
@faridosbuh8450 2 жыл бұрын
there was no focusing tool nor was there a picture, so there's nothing 'literal' about it. but yes, she's incredible ;)
@eggizgud
@eggizgud 2 жыл бұрын
Inspiring from the start and even more so at the end.
@robertsipes7391
@robertsipes7391 Жыл бұрын
What humility. Jocelyn Bell Burnell should get a Nobel Prize for bravery, for taking adversity and turning it into a design for the future of women in Science. Thanks for sharing. I would not have known these important events without your documentary.
@nani-by1hv
@nani-by1hv Жыл бұрын
"but if doesn´t shine in your face, you don´t see anything" with her picture created a beautiful analogy
@muzvid
@muzvid 2 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling this sort of thing happens more frequently than we realize, where the "mentor" gets credit for the discovery of the researcher whose career they're supposed to be fostering.
@paulburns1333
@paulburns1333 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but only gets highlighted if its a woman or minority who misses out, men don't matter, it doesn't fit the victim narrative.
@samchau3476
@samchau3476 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulburns1333 Ofc...I was waiting for someone to make it about men and their woes.
@michelemiller3798
@michelemiller3798 2 жыл бұрын
It happens constantly, even now. Sadly 😥
@Shiva108
@Shiva108 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulburns1333 you were a victim of this, I gather?
@suzannewinter7208
@suzannewinter7208 2 жыл бұрын
Albert Einstein took his wife’s knowledge and claimed it as his own. She was brighter than him. He gave her no credit.
@MrKrissdekaliss
@MrKrissdekaliss 2 жыл бұрын
What a great soul this lady is. I'm glad her passion was stronger than all the obstacles she encountered, and that she did get some support from good people. And thanks to the filmmaker for making this movie!
@richardblack9067
@richardblack9067 2 жыл бұрын
Watch this in its entirety, and be prepared for a COMPLETE PARADIGM SHIFT on EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BELIEVED TO BE TRUE UP TO N-O-W! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX_NnIGXebeDjtk
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardblack9067 I watched it. Didn’t have a “paradigm shift”, but I almost had a seizure from LAUGHING SO HARD!! Flat Earthers are the *DUMBEST OF THE DUMB!* The Global Village Idiots! It’s astounding to witness people who revel in their own stupidity and wilful pig ignorance! But, I suppose it keeps you all off the streets! Lol! 🤪😂😆😜🤣😎
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardblack9067 And btw, Mark Sargent is almost as ludicrous a figure as Eric DUMBay! The difference between them is that Sargent is a deliberate con man and blatant fraud, whereas Dubay is too thick to be a con man, I think he actually believes the absurd piffle that he pushes.
@July4ik
@July4ik Жыл бұрын
What an awesome woman. Her story, character brought me to tears, you are a great role model👏👏👏👏
@edzielinski
@edzielinski Жыл бұрын
A world-class presentation of a world-class astronomer. Hearing Jocelyn Bell speak in her own words and telling her story from her own viewpoint, and framing it historically and factually tells a true story that is both cautionary and inspiring. I've know about Jocelyn Bell for many years, but I had never heard her speak at length about her experience, and it is amazing. She is not just a great scientist but a heroic person that we can all admire and learn from.
@teresarivasugaz2313
@teresarivasugaz2313 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know Jocelyn was still alive! I was aware she was the one who discovered pulsars, but didn't know the whole story. I'm so glad she's still around and featuring in this series ✨
@tigress63
@tigress63 2 жыл бұрын
Tony Hewitt is still alive. Surprised he can live with himself - but he's from a different era where plagerizing work from a woman was acceptable. Personally it makes me feel extreme disgust.
@Alan_Shv
@Alan_Shv 2 жыл бұрын
@@tigress63 and he's still convinced that she didn't deserve the prize to this day
@nerdyali4154
@nerdyali4154 2 жыл бұрын
@@tigress63 He gave her a job on a project he and Ryle conceived of. They built equipment, which did not previously exist, specifically to detect the wavelengths required for quasars. That's what led to the discovery of pulsars.
@MA-jf6tv
@MA-jf6tv 2 жыл бұрын
Yeap! She is 78 yo. She is the Bombshizzle of Astronomy.
@MA-jf6tv
@MA-jf6tv 2 жыл бұрын
@@tigress63 He was from an era of deceitful cowards. That’s the era he was from. I would be ashamed to live under the skirts of a great mind, not because she was a woman, but because I had stolen from her.
@joan98610
@joan98610 2 жыл бұрын
I remember learning about the discovery of pulsars in high school. And in the textbook there was a picture of Jocelyn Bell, stating that she had discovered them. She won't be forgotten
@silencedogood7297
@silencedogood7297 Жыл бұрын
wow. Thank you for your discovery and tenacity. I conducted ground-breaking research in neuroscience in the 70's and my doctoral adviser photocopied my bibliography and distributed it at an international conference. Of course he had put his name on it. He frequently warned me that my research field was a waste of time, but he became the world expert by reading passages from my dissertation. Ouch. I was denied my doctorate despite my 7 years of dedication and discovery. I respect you for all you did and for bringing this injustice to light. My Dad was dying, so I dropped my battle. I regret my decision every day.
@dm-jc3cu
@dm-jc3cu 9 ай бұрын
I am so sorry this happened to you. Hopefully your doctoral adviser feels his lack of integrity every single day.
@gmtegirl
@gmtegirl 2 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing story. For all of the strong women like Jocelyn, those of us in the stem field, are eternally grateful and should never lose sight.
@winniefindstheway
@winniefindstheway 2 жыл бұрын
She is so beautiful she made my cry... especially when she was vindicated as part the the discovery she is so humble and full of grace. We need more humans like her
@cloudkap
@cloudkap 2 жыл бұрын
She is so incredibly beautiful! Like, more than I ever imagined a person could be, so humbling.
@maazkalim
@maazkalim 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful from inside, or beautiful like the way the press portrayed her for the sake of dumbfk-masses?
@arupsan
@arupsan 2 жыл бұрын
The part “ shine in your face “ what an edit .. just brilliant.. awesome …
@alina_harms13
@alina_harms13 Жыл бұрын
Tony would have never even "discovered" pulsars without Bell (not saying he discovered them). Yes, he was the one to make the telescope, but until Bell told him that the markings weren't interference, he just brushed them aside. A remarkable woman indeed, and my new role model.
@k03dz0n3
@k03dz0n3 Жыл бұрын
Just wow... inspiringly heart warming. The fact that she is not all that cynical after everything says a lot.
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
Why would she be xD academic theft is frighteningly common, she was lucky enough to get the recognition she deserves back. Most dont.
@Mon-um3jr
@Mon-um3jr 2 жыл бұрын
Her humility is beyond the universe. I love her
@otoepony5813
@otoepony5813 2 жыл бұрын
You said it better than I could have.
@jimmason8502
@jimmason8502 2 жыл бұрын
We need more women like her setting examples fow young people today. Sadly, social media has provided a platform for women to be "influencers" by strutting around nearly naked on instagram and tiktok. Where are the intelligent, grounded women like Ms. Bell?
@basicbot7349
@basicbot7349 2 жыл бұрын
I almost teared up hearing about the injustice she had to go through, don’t worry Jocelyn Bell I will never forget you!! And you are a good person at heart that beats any nobel prize winner any day of the week.
@networknomad5600
@networknomad5600 2 жыл бұрын
Injustices? My god, victim complex much? This sort of stuff is super tame.
@alterego157
@alterego157 2 жыл бұрын
Pull yourself together son
@Eric14492
@Eric14492 2 жыл бұрын
@@networknomad5600 Yes injustice! If you don't recognize that you are sexist.
@sarah3796
@sarah3796 2 жыл бұрын
Same. That must of been awful. It would of been so easy to just quit. Thank god she kept going.
@qinby1182
@qinby1182 2 жыл бұрын
I would claim a pretty well known story. I am totally unaware of astro physists... except Neil degrasse, Hubble.. you know. I knew it was a woman and if I know... EVERYBODY KNOWS (I think) That "bosses" gets/takes the credit for employe/ "underlings" works is nothing new AND IT IS STILL SO. All research you have a "boss" and LOADS of "underpaid" people working on the problem, the person credited NEVER DID IT ALONE. Only Ayn Rand "believes" people do things alone (or CAN DO) Everything is built of knowledge gathered by others and NOT A LOT CAN BE DONE by a single human without tools made by others... with other skills in their fields. The reason this is a "thing" and what I would object to is this is a SPECIFIC example and it is used as a "men supress women issue" I would say... that guy would have taken the credit for the research NO MATTER OF THE GENDER of the person who figured this out. It is NOT a gender issue it is a "power issue" and it exists today. In regards to the Nobel Prize... that is a bit on the side here BUT generally if you work for somebody and figure something out *THEY OWN IT AND HAVE THE IP* So SONY did this or TESLA did that... Companies do not do ANYTHING, people do... and the company, university etc normally either take the crdit themself OR the head of the project gets/take the credit. My point... not really a gender issue YES there are gender issues but this one is NOT SPECIFICALLY gender orientated. Basing pensions on working years... that is a gender issue since mothers often works less during their life because they birth children. And really without new people... who will by my old car... and fund my retirement...
@davidkosa
@davidkosa Жыл бұрын
She displayed grace, kindness and generosity. How noble she is under the thumb of injustice. We should all aspire to such nobility.
@johndoe-vc1we
@johndoe-vc1we Жыл бұрын
Or fight it and leave the nobility to others who cannot
@aliceconde-leuenhagen1332
@aliceconde-leuenhagen1332 Жыл бұрын
I was deeply moved by this and must confess that I never knew of the name Jocelyn Bell Burnell. I am grateful to know her now and although I am no scientist, I am very touched by her story and will always remember her contributions and beautiful spirit. Thank you for posting this. And thank you, Jocelyn, for being a role model I admire.
@johnray1067
@johnray1067 2 жыл бұрын
It was my honor to meet Jocelyn Bell Burnell a few years ago at an astronomy conference. She is a class act and still fighting for the underrepresented.
@Brigadorski
@Brigadorski 2 жыл бұрын
so long as the underrepresented have the correct set of genitals
@charlotteillustration5778
@charlotteillustration5778 2 жыл бұрын
I have the greatest admiration for Jocelyn Bell Burnell, not only for her discovery, but for the strength of character in rising above the betrayal by her tutor and finding fulfilment in her subsequent work. A fascinating film, thank you!
@liondoor4554
@liondoor4554 2 жыл бұрын
Can Tony Hewish even be thought of as her tutor? I don’t think so. If I rightly recall from the film, she described him as “the guy with the money…“ I don’t think he’s worthy!
@charlotteillustration5778
@charlotteillustration5778 2 жыл бұрын
@@liondoor4554 you are right; he described her as one of the students under his supervision, but she was working pretty independently from the sounds of it, and he only became interested when she had made that amazing breakthrough.
@camplethargic8
@camplethargic8 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, what happened to Dr. Bell Burnell still happens all the time in science, where the person with power takes credit for the inspiration, work and skill of others. It happens within academia, but also industry. It happens to women, but also to men.
@donpram7047
@donpram7047 2 жыл бұрын
fascinating story and reflection in film. With much appreciation from Bangkok, Thailand. 8/08/21
@stephanieroyal3453
@stephanieroyal3453 2 жыл бұрын
@@camplethargic8 hmmm just like the Ancient Greeks and Romans took the credit for mathematics, and Astronomy from the Ancient Africans.
@gotahgemini6415
@gotahgemini6415 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing inspirational woman! It's hurtful to know what she has been through but inspiring that she still never lost her passion. Beautiful! Thanks for making and sharing this story.
@farahluthfy134
@farahluthfy134 Жыл бұрын
I'm in tears. This is such a beautiful short documentary. I truly relate by heart when she said "I would work my very hardest, so that when they threw me out, I wouldn't have a guilty conscience." I'm a minority in my work field (girl in audio engineering), and I can relate my experiences w/ Jocelyn Bell's. People easily overlook accomplishments the minorities make but will look for the tiniest mistake that we make and make it like it is a great deal of disaster, hence justifying their belief that the minority group doesn't belong in their work area. Thank you for you perseverance despite all that has happened to you. I just read about the universal map used pulsars as the sign posts for its direction towards earth (the one they put on a golden disc in Pioneer-10). It didn't occur to me that pulsars were discovered not long before that!
@AC-mp7cx
@AC-mp7cx Жыл бұрын
i support equal participation of women in the male dominated jobs that they conveniently don't want to do like construction, fishing, plumbing, etc!!!!!! There is too much oppression of women there less than 1% participation is way too misogynistic
@TheHoneypot27
@TheHoneypot27 Жыл бұрын
she made me cry too. such dignity in the face of such shoddy behaviour. perhaps her quaker background gave her such grace?
@sarahmarshall2474
@sarahmarshall2474 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a film adaptation of this woman's life
@Ihyabond009
@Ihyabond009 2 жыл бұрын
Not an adaptation, but Contact (1997) has quite similiar story. And it's a good movie!
@dinobotpwnz
@dinobotpwnz 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The inspiration for Contact was Jill Tarter who's another first rate radio astronomer.
@MeLikeGeiter
@MeLikeGeiter 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@Rechargerator
@Rechargerator 2 жыл бұрын
Hollywood cannot make a movie that ends in such a disappointing way. The ending would have to change to her driving a muscle car onto the Nobel stage fishtail the "bad physicist" into the crowd and claiming the prize at gunpoint. If only they could get the late great Tura Satana to play her character.
@sequituranimus7145
@sequituranimus7145 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be that great. People usually exaggerate their stories.
@deeowako2865
@deeowako2865 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine how many dreams have been fried in home economics classes. Mrs. Bell's parents were amazing.
@acatthatmakeseclairs5416
@acatthatmakeseclairs5416 2 жыл бұрын
pun intended with the word 'fried'?
@dixonpinfold2582
@dixonpinfold2582 2 жыл бұрын
True. A life as a homemaker is below a woman worth her salt. She should be working, and hire various women not suited to other work, to bring up her children.
@acatthatmakeseclairs5416
@acatthatmakeseclairs5416 2 жыл бұрын
@@dixonpinfold2582 well if you're a parent, despite your gender, you still have an obligation to take of your children. Better yet, if you're more career orientated, just don't have kids. There's always a time in your life when you can get married and/or have kids, you can just wait till you're successful.
@Zill7711
@Zill7711 2 жыл бұрын
I longed to do carpentry but I was made to do home economics and sewing instead. Wish my parents had been aware enough to fight for me. Think I will do a carpentry course now I am retired 🤔
@amberriddle2240
@amberriddle2240 2 жыл бұрын
Or you can do both!
@Paleos1000
@Paleos1000 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful. I am not an academic, and have had very little to do with academia, but I am aware that it is a horribly competitive field, and I mean horrible in the pejoriative sense. There are some remarkably large egos out there, making a lot of collective noise - their own little quasars you might say. Lovely to hear of someone who despite being used so terribly, has such generosity of spirit. Many thanks for posting it. I think I will pass it on to some who are involved in stem.
@PhilRounds
@PhilRounds Жыл бұрын
I have two daughters; one with a MS in Paleontology and the other with a PhD in Criminal Justice. It was women like Jocelyn Bell that helped make that possible.
@johnbuggy9121
@johnbuggy9121 Жыл бұрын
That doesn't say much about you.
@amylawsongill
@amylawsongill 3 ай бұрын
​@@johnbuggy9121 Jocelyn is fantastic and little did I know when I did my project on her that I would be a woman exploited some months later but by Aviva for life insurance. Yet the CEO Amanda Blanc is being made a dame yet I have been denied £500,000 it seems there is discrimination everywhere. I was denied the contract because I was identified as vulnerable in internal data. The Lunacy laws have returned in practice because I was upset about my husband's death yet I am a masters degree student with learning difficulties. There is so much exploitation by organisations
@cubxiomara
@cubxiomara 2 жыл бұрын
“I do think it’s important for there to be role models for young women, so OK I’ll be it” so powerful
@eggizgud
@eggizgud 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, and smiling!
@ottodidakt3069
@ottodidakt3069 2 жыл бұрын
Whilst truly being a role model of noblesse to mankind
@richardchurch9709
@richardchurch9709 2 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not Cub', right at the end of the video I started to scroll down the comments and read your post at the exact same time as she spoke the words. Spooky for sure !!
@dhananjaykrishna2377
@dhananjaykrishna2377 2 жыл бұрын
This is heart wrenching!!!! She deserves it more than anyone else. It's her determination, persistence and trust in her own judgment that played a pivotal role in the discovery.
@prozonfire6051
@prozonfire6051 Жыл бұрын
She is the greatest. I met her last year, and had the greatest fanboy moment in my life. I couldn’t actually comprehend that I was in her presence.
@livlit
@livlit Жыл бұрын
Tremendous respect to Dr. Bell and kudos to the producers who made her beautiful story live and give us something meaningful to ponder upon.
@saveusmilkboy
@saveusmilkboy 2 жыл бұрын
"I was pleased that pulsars were considered important enough to rate a Nobel Prize." That there is a scientist, in her essence. Dr. Bell, I work in a totally different discipline and nevertheless you made it easier for me to get taken seriously as a female academic. Thank you.
@Snowymae
@Snowymae 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Albert Einstein’s first wife who helped Albert with his physics research but could not get into Austria’s physics program. She was smart enough to help a genius physicist but not good enough for the physics program and Albert did nothing to champion her cause. I also have to say that her supervisor’s explanation of being on a ship and the guy who sees the land should not get credit for the discovery, but in that case everyone knows what land looks like and that it exists. In this case no one knew if there were pulsars let alone how to detect one, she recognized what she saw even though the same man who took credit originally told her it was interference and to discard the data.
@AdaAdi77
@AdaAdi77 2 жыл бұрын
ditto
@abl1699
@abl1699 2 жыл бұрын
Great point
@abl1699
@abl1699 2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@eugenemartone7023
@eugenemartone7023 2 жыл бұрын
Well, this is down to the presentation in the video. He didn’t just say it’s interference, just forget about it. And to be fair, the most likely culprit was interference (even if it wasn’t in retrospect). When the signal was observed again and again in the same place they looked closer, and Hewish was on board with that. It was his project and he was steering the ship so to speak, she didn’t go rouge and find pulsars on her own like it seems in the video. That said, she was the one observing the data and the one to find the pulsars, so she should have been given more credit and part of the nobel imo, but this video is spinning a tale.
@Thomas-qn4hj
@Thomas-qn4hj 2 жыл бұрын
also that fact that he wouldn't believe her when see was saying this is something special, imagine if she would have listen to him.
@Bubblebiba
@Bubblebiba Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being my role model, and thank you for being you even when it was hard. 💛
@acr01x
@acr01x Жыл бұрын
What an inspiring person. It is a shame she did not get recognized for her discovery but history will look upon her as the real discoverer of radio pulsars and history will forget about those who stole the recognition from her.
@Megamorf
@Megamorf 2 жыл бұрын
Her manner of speaking is intense but it really shows her passion for the line of work that she'd decided on as a child. Great film
@marymcgarvey4153
@marymcgarvey4153 2 жыл бұрын
I love that Northern Irish accent.
@kgs2280
@kgs2280 2 жыл бұрын
I also love the barely suppressed anger and frustration in her comments. She has every right to be angry and frustrated. I know I would have been.
@Val-hr4op
@Val-hr4op 2 жыл бұрын
Had she not insisted that it was not interference as they had said and kept on looking for evidence to prove it , these 2 men would have had nothing and would have won nothing. Truly unjust.
@ammoalamo6485
@ammoalamo6485 2 жыл бұрын
Great comment. That is exactly why the Nobel for discovering pulsars should have gone to Bell. She took an aberrant signal to her supervisor, who eventually won that Nobel, and he said it was just interference. That was the end of it, for him. But she continued to look for supporting evidence that it was not simple interference, and found it. She took that evidence to Hewish, and suddenly both he and his boss were interested. Left to those two men, pulsars might have remained covered up in the reams of "interference" signals. Bell discovered pulsars by uncovering more of them, even though her boss Hewish said she had only found ordinary interference. The first tiny bity of evidence of their existence was denied by Hewish and his boss, yet Hewish gladly dressed up in tails and accepted the Nobel and the money prize that went with it, as if he had actually done the work of uncovering pulsars instead of Bell.
@peterhooiveld1232
@peterhooiveld1232 Жыл бұрын
I'm relieved to see Jocelyn Bell was eventually honoured with the recognition she deserved!
@KrisRyanStallard
@KrisRyanStallard Жыл бұрын
I'm always in awe of people who know what they want to do from a young age. I'm 40 and still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. 😅
@ndungugitahi1804
@ndungugitahi1804 2 жыл бұрын
She epitomizes Luciano's words "Imagine what a world it would be if everybody gives as much as they would like to get". She is a model not only in science but humanity.
@ericfelds6291
@ericfelds6291 Жыл бұрын
So true!!!!
@arcanondrum6543
@arcanondrum6543 Жыл бұрын
The whole POINT of this video is that; as a girl, she was nearly blocked from giving her best. Translate that to minorities and the poor, all blocked thanks to, for instance; the New York Times not actually being liberal, just accepting that label from others so that they can drag the rest of us to be just a bit more conservative and in fact (despite this video); supportive of the pecking order.
@mamborambo
@mamborambo 2 жыл бұрын
She deserved more respect and credits for her scientific work. Glad history has been straightened out, and she is still an inspiration for the world.
@matickovac
@matickovac Жыл бұрын
masterful work, a beautifully presented story, and the music fits every second of it like a glove.
@Kjon48
@Kjon48 Жыл бұрын
It is a phenomenon that Seniors take the credit for their juniors. I learnt it early in life.
@mack5346
@mack5346 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best documentaries I have ever watched. Really high quality.
@lucdelhaize4029
@lucdelhaize4029 2 жыл бұрын
My own daughter is now a radio astronomer working with the Pathfinder Meerkat radio telescope thanks in part to the pioneering spirit of Jocelyn. Thanks to her and her intellect, females are in the main now seen as equal at least in this field of science.
@JB-xx3vp
@JB-xx3vp 2 жыл бұрын
That’s wonderful to hear, but that isn’t the case in genetics. Most, but not all, of the men I’ve worked with feel entitled to take credit for my work.
@HotaraTakeo
@HotaraTakeo 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-xx3vp So since the first discovery nothing have changed...
@snikrepak
@snikrepak 2 жыл бұрын
As an astronomer and a father I congratulate you! I hope my daughter will follow the path these great women cleared.
@snikrepak
@snikrepak 2 жыл бұрын
@@HotaraTakeo nothing has changed? Have you even looked at the reports of them? Or even done at research into why they are important? Obviously not, pulsars are almost perfect clocks, some can glitch and anti glitch. Thier properties are beyond my level of comprehension, but they are VERY important and are part of my research. We have the internet, use it for data, rather than cat videos.
@HotaraTakeo
@HotaraTakeo 2 жыл бұрын
@@snikrepak Dude chill. I was replying to JB comment on state of genetics field for women
@1Godscreations123
@1Godscreations123 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Ms. Burnell! I admire your courage and your kindness! Your valiance is honorable!
@timelsen2236
@timelsen2236 Жыл бұрын
The most important video I have ever seen! THANK YOU and BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!
@OscarJaramilloJr
@OscarJaramilloJr 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. My little girl is only one but I will see to it that she knows who Jocelyn Bell Burnell is when she looks up to the sky.
@shena1256
@shena1256 2 жыл бұрын
That made me teary eyed ❤️
@PHlophe
@PHlophe 2 жыл бұрын
@@shena1256 God knows how this planet would have been like if we hadn't silenced the many unheard women scientists ( I don't use female ).
@andreaandrea6716
@andreaandrea6716 2 жыл бұрын
@@PHlophe (I love language and am very picky about words used. Would you mind telling me why you don't use 'female'?)
@lesliejabine1783
@lesliejabine1783 2 жыл бұрын
Oscar, your daughter picked the right dad.
@legendsofmyself
@legendsofmyself Жыл бұрын
So glad I came across this!!!. Such an amazing feat & it's so good to see that she still got the deserved recognition. 🙌🏾❤️
@antonioyeats2149
@antonioyeats2149 Жыл бұрын
Looks like she did get recognition after all.
@elizabethstranger3122
@elizabethstranger3122 Жыл бұрын
What an inspiring story! Id love to see a full length historial film about her life
@joelfromportland
@joelfromportland 2 жыл бұрын
What an amazing story! I can't believe how she was treated and how determined and strong she stayed through all of it.
@mrsowens100
@mrsowens100 2 жыл бұрын
I can believe how she was treated; how many great minds have been prevented from pursuing their path.
@GeckoMena4433
@GeckoMena4433 2 жыл бұрын
She visited my school and she was such a captivating speaker and story teller. It was an honour to hear her speak to us and all the girls in the year were so moved by her story.
@caravanlifenz
@caravanlifenz Жыл бұрын
I wish there were more speakers like her in schools. We didn't have any at my high school. It's a shame so many girls aspire to become makeup gurus instead of aspiring to contribute to science due to a lack of role models.
@Brocolli_Pizza
@Brocolli_Pizza Жыл бұрын
@@caravanlifenz I think you can lift up these types of career paths for young girls. Without putting down other girls who wish to do makeup. I mean makeup and science are also closely related. I think in general we should strive to show young girls role models of all different kinds and make sure that their interest are accommodated.
@caravanlifenz
@caravanlifenz Жыл бұрын
@@Brocolli_Pizza You're making it all about yourself and your need to play a victim. No one is talking about you or putting down girls. Read my comment again and try not to take it personally or get so emotional about nothing; it's not about you.
@Brocolli_Pizza
@Brocolli_Pizza Жыл бұрын
@@caravanlifenz I’m just sharing my opinion as you share yours.
@caravanlifenz
@caravanlifenz Жыл бұрын
@@Brocolli_Pizza "I’m just sharing my opinion as you share yours." Then don't write negative comments under my comment. Keep your negative, hateful views of humanity in your own crazy little head. Don't reply to my comments with your troll nonsense, crazy lady.
@Re-AttachedRetina
@Re-AttachedRetina Жыл бұрын
Monica Salazar did a brilliant job of editing this. Kudos!
@baumgartnerwm
@baumgartnerwm Жыл бұрын
Thankfully by 1980 at my school we were taught about her role and why she was snubbed. Also, helped me discover Joy Division because I recognized the pulsar waterfall plot on the cover of Unknown Pleasures and bought it unheard.
@slay2525
@slay2525 Жыл бұрын
Do you think Joy Division has a line of white nationalism.
@baumgartnerwm
@baumgartnerwm Жыл бұрын
@@slay2525 No
@HerAeolianHarp
@HerAeolianHarp 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this! They should give her the award retrospectively!
@greenhood69
@greenhood69 2 жыл бұрын
#NobelForDrBell. Trend it please
@HerAeolianHarp
@HerAeolianHarp 2 жыл бұрын
#NobelForDrBell
@japrogramer
@japrogramer 2 жыл бұрын
they won't because it's the same people handing out the prices
@GiovannaAguilar
@GiovannaAguilar 2 жыл бұрын
It was her Nobel prize! “It’s important to be a good role model.” Class
@helgaherbstreit5102
@helgaherbstreit5102 Жыл бұрын
She says "pulsars" and smiles. So beautiful.
@n-da-bunka2650
@n-da-bunka2650 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for recognizing this great lady's achievements!
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