I finally played this 30 YEAR OLD game. Warcraft 1, where it all began!

[@jonteguy]

ngl, I kinda like the idea of only being able to build where you have roads. It stops a lot of cheese that exist in modern RTS.

[@trololkhil9868]

dune 2/2000 says hi lol.

[@Gizzy411]

Roads are probably a little suffocating, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea if you can only build a certain disrance from a town hall since buildings need to be supplied with food, lumber, liquor, supplies, whatever

[@pho3nix-]

This is a legacy from Dune II - the proto-RTS

[@jamesschultz2039]

C&C games at your service

[@cis22]

Warcraft 1 is such an old game that the sight range of Warcraft 2's towers, zeppelins, and flying machines feel like technology from the far future.

[@rancidiot]

I remember writing to blizzard to make warcraft 2 when I played wc1

[@boskee]

I remember emailing Glenn Stafford in the mid 2000s to thank him for composing the soundtrack of my childhood - WC2 soundtrack. He replied back :)

[@DieBieneFranz]

:D How did you feel back then when warcraft 2 came out?

[@CalciumChief]

People might not even realize they've actually changed stuff for these remasters, bigger control groups, abilities give actual description what they do other than you figuring it out and while the game speed change was there, I don't know if it's faster now. The biggest thing in the first Warcraft is the addition of being able to move the map with mouse freely. Oh yeah, OG DOS version you had to select a uint, press M and then you could even scroll around. What it seems people miss as well is that you can get original War1 and War2 as well. They had those on GOG since like 2019, but brought them over to Battlenet back in like Janurary (also Diablo 1), most likely for this 30th anniversary. If you do buy the battle chest, you get those as well, so technically, five games. This actually makes it easy for comparisons, fire remaster and original, type in some cheats and see what's different.

[@Ilko]

I'm one of those few who played original Warcraft and enjoyed it for what it is. While War1R is totally playable, seeing the clearly rushed release not live up to its potential is rather sad. Some summary of the big issues: • Missing "Replay Introduction" button from the main menu. It also can play automatically in the original after some time if you stay in the main menu doing nothing: game either replays the cinematic or shows one of the few replays like War2. • Upscale of the cinematic itself is quite awful with noticeable visual artifacts. • Missing Multiplayer for two players. While very basic and therefore requiring reimplementation from scratch, it's still the part of the original game that should be present. • In-game visuals themselves were based on the raw 320x200 (16:10) while in fact it should be 320x240 (4:3) achieved via tall pixels. Grubby mentioned it on the stream, but still. Ideally, there should be an option to switch between two aspect ratios. • Missing animated elements in briefings, victory/defeat screen and endings. Briefings supposed to have animated characters alongside some room decorations with 3D map of the land at the end showing your progress throughout the war, victory/defeat screen load in your stats gradually and there's a small window with a scene playing. Endings particularly suffered from this simplified reimplementation as they straight up ditched the first scene (it should have two), which is animated one. This also completely ruins their passing. • No option for the original mouse control. This is just silly since all versions of Warcraft 2 have that, but not War1R. I would also argue that having an option to force the original unit selection limit would've been great to reenable some of the '"challenge" the original had. • In general, the remaster also lacks certain QoL features and settings options such as customizable hotkeys. I would actually recommend Grubby to try going through the same three missions in the original Orcs & Humans in the future. Just to see what it's like in the comparison.

[@jd8606]

This brings me back to my childhood 😢 Wc1 is a defensive game. It's better to bolster an army first and then attack once you have enough fire power. Catapults are crazy for both sides. Humans have water elemental and orc have demon summon. Those are basically the best units in the game you save up for and then wreck a city

[@kdog3908]

Wow...This takes me way back. Playing against friends by using a modem and directly connecting to their computer by ringing them up! Fun times!

[@whatdothlife4660]

I remember frantically unplugging the PC from the phone jack in Diablo II Hardcore if I had a lag spike.

[@jakobnordgren8020]

This is the best warcraft game, just finished it again. Now playing wc2 campaign, but nothing beats the original. Wish they could make games like this again.

[@arohk4415]

See, Orcs were always Evil.

[@elerius2]

Your soundcard works perfectly!

[@Lumbersnacks82]

When you hear the words in your head 😆

[@skolar6425]

That bloopers at the end were so cool😂. You should do this more often.

[@wispbartdev1121]

Warcraft 2 was a pretty straight upgrade of Warcraft 1. These remasters are built on the same new engine (called simply warcraft-rts), so now they're even more similar. I personally think the new graphics are more generic and less charming than the original ones, but that's also nostalgia speaking. What I think is a real shame is that the engine is pretty barebones and doesn't have any support for animated briefings, victory/defeat screens, or the 3d map animation that the original had.

[@Ideataster]

Yeah unfortunately some things get lost when migrating from DOS games. Blizz likely didn't want to invest TOO MUCH time/money into it to recreate those elements, but who knows maybe the rts team will patch it down the line.

[@wispbartdev1121]

@Ideataster Based on the credits, the RTS team appears to be three people. I kinda doubt we can expect too much from them except fixing the most obvious bugs.

[@benismann]

actually the remaster looks wrong, because there was some stretching in the original and it was accounted for, which is why u see no squares in the video, only rectangles. They were supposed to be stretched to squares....

[@CalciumChief]

@@wispbartdev1121 I'm pretty sure it's gonna go to the classics team to maintain these games now (not that there's much to do) and they've already got like eight other games to keep running, so doubt it will ever get updated. Maybe for 35th anniversary.

[@wispbartdev1121]

@@benismann that is another problem that shows the lack of care and attention to detail!

[@DaWombatGaming]

@40:07 definitely normal for there to be input lag in WC1. I remember how unresponsive the game felt to me when I first played it from a floppy disc in 2005. I'd already played/seen WC3 by then, but I was mesmerized by how ancient this game felt. It's as old as I am!!! A whole game fit on this funky computer cartridge thing?

[@Quirriff]

It used to be that you could tell what was being built/trained/researched by looking at the bottom of the screen it would say stuff life "training a grunt".

[@Cogbyrn]

I, too, lost the first mission (Human campaign). I laughed out loud when it happened.

[@pho3nix-]

Syndicate Wars was great btw

[@AlexeiVoronin]

Notice how the original game audio clearly says "Swamps of Sorrow", but the text says "Swamp of Sorrows" because they changed the name in WoW.

[@Quirriff]

You can RE-build a Town Hall, it's under advanced structures. It's also not perfectly symmetrical, Spearmen have more HP and less range. I should mention that Warcraft 3 is deliberately imperfectly symmetrical not A-symmetrical.

[@pho3nix-]

They said the thing!

[@angun703]

Saw the warchiefs daughter with turok, its ogre the horde has fallen

[@whatdothlife4660]

Oh wow the remastered graphics look great!

[@TheDude673]

U just finisched this one with both sides. I am starting WCII from the start. It my childhood all over again. Btw tip dont put the buildings on the road :P But next to it.

[@mickcraftgaming]

Vary nice Grubby! Make sure you try it with TALL PIXELS next time though 😎

[@kelarosoulreaver9041]

I hope you finish it! Would love to see the rest

[@Lucius_Chiaraviglio]

From memory of some other WarCraft I video (many years pre-Remaster) that I saw on KZbin, the original music was way worse in sound, being some cheesy MIDI implementation, so it seems that the Remaster must have resynthesized it. Or maybe it's ust that whoever made the other video didn't have a MIDI driver with a good innate sound generation capability.

[@hughming]

Apparently Blackhand does not want his daughter Griselda's DNA to be contaminated by Ogre DNA. Maybe that is a good thing, depends on how good or bad Ogre's DNA is.

[@Maardag]

More plz more warcraft 1 plz ^^

[@Bobknucklesdave]

You build four farms before a barracks? Also do retail 3v3 arena in WoW. Be a healer for insta pops in shuffle

[@johanstrang4373]

Oh come on grubby, you just had to mention ur 5 ways sc2 broke ur heart. So had to paus and rewatch it. Then u said in it how fun u had cheesing as protoss. So now I'm rewatching ESL 2013, first ur game vs MVP and now vortix. Gg man, ur the GOAT.

[@Ideataster]

I'd love to see him try playing Warcraft 1 with the original controls. :p No right clicking, using move commands and arrow keys...it's certainly an interesting experience.

[@enmarecordings]

I was 14 at that time, had a great time with it. The voices are like Yoda on steroids, haha

[@forethoughtx2846]

work work

[@testitestmann8819]

The units move faster diagonally than when moving left/right/up/down, someone forgot to normalise their vectors, lol.

[@TouristAarchie]

doom 2 running :)

[@johnsonliu1842]

Grubtors rise up!

[@kevinking596]

Can't believe you haven't played this guess I'm just older than you

[@vodkavecz]

My first serious game ever was Warcraft 2. And I say the mechanics there still hold up. WC1 tho? It's very clunky. Sure it was one of the first rts ever, and should be regarded with praise. But let's be realistic, and see how dated it is, without mechanics added to later rts games. I felt the same way when I bought the C&C collection, and started with the original game. And then small things came up, like no unit queu, have to build every rifleman click by click. And loading a transport have to be done unit by unit, can't command the group to board, yeah those small things made it less enjoyable (the C&C remaster added functions like these, so that's cool). I wonder if Blizzard will care enough to add QoL functions like these to WC1 and 2 remasters (like I think WC2 didn't get shift clicking, having that would be nice too)

[@frango_e_salada]

We have the same monitor 🙂

[@azztek9682]

Where can I get that wallpaper you have Grubby?

[@mennebe]

kid, it began from UO

[@Refirrus]

The music is mediocre and voice lines are repetitive, because the game was originally released on floppy discs. Check out how "much" storage they have ;)

[@rjelavic]

You are making the same mistakes bronze league heroes make: too much peons, not spending resources on time... :D

[@GillesLouisReneDeleuze]

why is spearman called spearman instead of spearorc

[@thomask5434]

i tried WC1 after i played WC2 back in the day and it was not really funny. It missed so many things, that are necessary and standard these days.

[@mxvnchiiild]

nice spanish

[@GreySectoid]

The remastered edition looks horrible in my opinion. C&C and Red Alert remasters were excellent, this is half-assed.

[@MrLTiger]

the briefings are not even animated anymore? lazy.

[@vexienroe]

WIthout the animation on the mission intros its just worse, cartoon backdrop no beuno