You found where old buzzards go to die, now I know where to go when its time to die. Those were some nice pans, don't you just love those days!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
I really think your on to something there Gary.. Never seen anything like that before, we looked up at one point and there had to be 100's of them circling way high up in the canyon.. I know there is a lot of bear activity nearby that it might have something to do with it to.. I hope these days keep up!
@dannymonge445 жыл бұрын
I am from Washington and I would like to take my Girlfriend on a road trip to here. ..Can you please email me back the location of this beautiful area of the yuba river?
@Adventure_Au5 жыл бұрын
Hey jerry been watching your videos we are new to.prospecting im a amra member now in the areas you guys go are you in a club or organization to pan in them spots??
@timmayyy15 жыл бұрын
Two Toes you crack me up! 😆
@petten335 жыл бұрын
I love both you guys! Prosperity and happiness, is what I wish, for you both. Peace🇨🇦🥋🙂
@jeffcorbin99675 жыл бұрын
I love metal detecting on the beach. I can definitely see the allure of what you are doing and finding all of that gold.
@mininhawaiian29115 жыл бұрын
You totally killed it !! Awesome good in that bedrock :) great video and I sure had fun sharing a pan with ya again brother :D
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
The real gold was getting to be in paradise with the Hawaiian dinging side by side again!!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Yo can you do Monday to Wednesday for that adventure we were talking about? Let me know asap so i can get it off
@stephenfowler41154 жыл бұрын
The bump on the lead ball is from the spot where the ball was cut away from the sprue when it was cast.
@MrMichaelWHenze5 жыл бұрын
I've been panning for gold for years (mostly in GA & NC) and never had a pan with that much gold. Good luck 🍀👍
@LUCKYB.5 жыл бұрын
That chunk of lead round ball maybe a 440 round ball or a 44 cal for a cap n ball that bump is the Spur. When its loaded that spur is pointed up if now it will throw your ball off when its fired ..
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info Lucky!
@sigdog3654 жыл бұрын
This video had it all. I didn't want to leave either, and the float out was very cool. What a great pocket of gold. Amazing.
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rich, I really appreciate the support brotha!
@archerydogg5 жыл бұрын
Papa Bear here... Thanks for a great adventure Your day went well my friend
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Papa Bear! Hope your pans are heavy brother!
@LOSTMINERSGOLD2 жыл бұрын
Nice Chunky Gold. I love seeing your haul displayed in that old pan,😎. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.
@f150twinturbo75 жыл бұрын
WOW Jerry you hit jackpot. LOVE THE VIDEO. Amazing adventure. Thank you for sharing 👌
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the continued support brotha!
@uaetub4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to a creek that cuts through the table mtn area above Oroville tomarrow. Its been mined by the old timers but were gonna see what they left behind. Thanks for the motivation 👍
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Have fun, hope you have lots of heavy pans!
@alpha-electigoldsniping25505 жыл бұрын
Solid performance gents! Sniping/crevicing your way through it as you did -was a solid performance! There are precious few us all tolled together in this state..
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother!
@goldengatedoorsoffice41724 жыл бұрын
Hey Jerry. My husband and I have been watching KZbin videos on gold panning and we’ve recently gotten into it. I LOVE panning. Any way we watched a few of your videos and I kept saying “ that guy looks so familiar” - even told my husband “he looks like a rodeo boy” - then the video with Casey and Cody cues up and it all fell together! 😂 sweet channel. Thanks for posting. - Sarah (from JSHS)
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
:D That's really cool, I don't really hear much from anyone that recognizes me, I always wondered if people did lol.. Its great that you two get out and prospect I hope more people get into it as well as it's a great outdoor activity and needs more exposure. Thanks for the comment and I wish you heavy pans!
@lighttheoryllc43374 жыл бұрын
a ryobi portable shop vac with a hepa filter, would do wonders, with the dry cracks of gold.
@iceandketchup42714 жыл бұрын
I gold pan up in colfax on the American river and it’s super beautiful. Looks just like the video!!
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
This is somewhat close!
@virginiarocks4 жыл бұрын
Lovely place. Enjoyed the video. Nothing better than playing in a stream - well, ok. Finding gold makes it that much better.
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
I Couldn't agree more
@davidramirezblacksandbandi78905 жыл бұрын
AMAZING day in my book. I'd love to find gold like that someday. Great video. Happy hunting and continued success from Wyoming.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thnaks David I thought it was a darn good day, gonna be hard to beat!
@chancesimmons81144 жыл бұрын
What a awsome video all the way down to the end with u floating with all them little trout
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chance I appreciate it!
@johnevans64745 жыл бұрын
Best gold panning video I’ve seen, thanks.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
MUCH LOVE! Thanks for the support!
@fatimasc1005 жыл бұрын
Hi, must be so much fun picking up those gold. My friends were in South Yuba River State park this past week for fun and gold panning. I found few flecks of gold and it was an icing on the cake of being at Yuba river.
@wilsonocasio88845 жыл бұрын
The GOLD is that place! My God that’s a beautiful river ......
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
YES it is!!
@timstingel90675 жыл бұрын
Yes its a musket ball the lump on it is where they cut off the excess lead from the making of the ball
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Awesome info thank you for sharing!
@markopittman28334 жыл бұрын
once again our local guys are killin it !!
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@pauljacobs80735 жыл бұрын
Awesome trip. Thanks for sharing the video.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Right on Paul!
@jrfergus655 жыл бұрын
That bump on the musket ball is called a sprue. Its from the molding process.
@phattdaddycheesesteak85244 жыл бұрын
Great day stay safe and heavy pans keep on coming . Thanks for sharing
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you too!
@tazmo20043 жыл бұрын
I love it when people think buckshot is a "musket ball".
@jeffreyallen37965 жыл бұрын
The lump on the back of the ball is called the sprue that's where you pour the lead of the mold and you got to cut it off and that little lump will be there I shoot black powder and I pour my own balls so that means that ball didn't travel very far and it wasn't shot
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info thats a neat find for sure! must have been a drop doesn't look fired.
@jeffreyallen37965 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect no it didn't look fired and I could tell that even on my little smart phone so that was a really nice fine if it's in the Shasta County Trinity County area it could be one of my round balls from hunting deer if it's a .495cal
@thomasroberts97525 жыл бұрын
I saw so much flower gold in you second to best pan if i were you i would haul the black sand out also and put it thru you wheel....nice spot you deserve good days as much as your doing it..grats!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Oh yes thats what I always do unless its just pickers and bigger. Quite a bit of gold all the way down to -100 mesh!
@ddbeachbandits74555 жыл бұрын
Awesome time with great friends and gold too it just doesn't get any better. Well done 👍
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Well said, thanks for the support!!
@washingtonbeachmining77365 жыл бұрын
OK the best Dam Video i have every seen from you... Much love for the good gold you got and the spirit you bring to the gold community,
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated brother!
@angelomorabito6679 Жыл бұрын
The bump on the musket ball is called the sprue. It’s where the lead was poured into the mold.
@myleshubert35404 жыл бұрын
That's an insane amount of gold. Well done brother
@GrotyGold5 жыл бұрын
Well done mate,Paradise for sure. Cheers for sharing.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
I think so Alicia and Steve, was one heck of a day for sure I hope for another soon! Thanks for watching and heavy pans!
@danzoller73975 жыл бұрын
Dang killer trip up ole yuba ! Water looks great ! Only 80cfs ! Killer pickers n pokers! Catch ya next one
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Right on Dan! yeah the water was lowest ive seen yet!
@jamesolson44202 жыл бұрын
Gold has become a passion for me wish I could go to all these places
@markpascoe78455 жыл бұрын
I was an elk hunting guide 9yrs Colorado. Elk came to this one place to die every yr in the aspens wether wounded or just old never knew why so Two toes is right. Mntn lions knew it too. Sacred ground
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I believe it, great info!
@ProspectorTripp5 жыл бұрын
Very sweet California Gold.. Killer beautiful day, very strange with the Vultures? Who knows? Love the great outdoors.. how wonderful Jerry! Prospect On baby! PT
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Yeah Tripp very strange I think Gary is right and its where old buzzards come to die! Heavy pans brotha!
@thomasroberts97525 жыл бұрын
the bump on the ball is called a skrew? its what they cut off excess lead from the ball after it comes out of the mold
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Awesome info thanks for sharing!
@robertwhathisname56765 жыл бұрын
sprue when it was made this was a small bit of the casting sticking out of the casting hole
@FlourgoldWizards5 жыл бұрын
Truly is paradise isn’t it.... great gold and great video!!!! You’re nailin it!🍺🍺✅
@waynedennis47085 жыл бұрын
I''m headed to Feather River next week. I hope to find even half as much as you found in this video. Same or more would be awesome. Nice video too.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah it was one hell of a day!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
I hope you do Wayne, good luck brotha!
@ketointhekitchenwithpat5 жыл бұрын
Fun to watch all that gold being revealed, and I really like the format of how you do your video sort of like a mini-series with narration. I believe your subscribers will continue to increase as more and more find your channel and enjoy the thrill of adventure - not only focused on the gold but nature and the hunt as well. So sad about the vulture-- not that we love vultures but they are nature, and help to clean up the dead things on the earth too. I'm concerned why they're dying, but I believe it may have to do with all the chemicals being sprayed into our skies, falling into the water and onto the earth...but that's my belief. Thanks again for showing us a beautiful part of the country. FAB gold! I have just teeny pieces but one day will graduate -- perhaps? lol
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated KK! I'm glad that people like yourself are able to enjoy these videos and feel as if they are tagging along, that's what I'm going for. You don't always have days like this for every one there's 100 you find almost nothing if not nothing!
@waynedennis47085 жыл бұрын
Vultures have to eat and, they clean up rotting carcasses that would smell-up the hiking trails and fun times outdoors. Death is a circle of life.
@georgescott52935 жыл бұрын
nice day for gold, im loving that river
@tadvanallen5 жыл бұрын
Dam thats awesome..... one of my favorite videos yet... amazing gold, great music , and killer scenery! The bird thing was a trip...and the big rock? across river looked like it was howling! Great video dude!!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
MUCH LOVE!! Thanks for all the kind words bro!
@genofromrenoprospector69405 жыл бұрын
Wow. If only you could get that every trip. Amazing
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
I want what you found!! holy mother!! Thats an awesome find Geno I'm glad you guys meet up and congrats on that epic find! Was that in the gravel there?
@genofromrenoprospector69405 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect I found the 3 gram nug on Tim's claim between 2 boulders that was a two toes approved gravel. Lol. I was using my whites pin pointer. Got rained out and that hole still has gold. Go get ya some. A big thanks to Tim for inviting me to his dig.
@aaronadams014 жыл бұрын
I wish I lived in an area where there's free milling gold like that. I live in Utah and all the gold here is flour or microscopic, only way to get it is through flotation and it's just too expensive for the average prospector. I work as a contractor at the Kennecott Copper Mine and I see it every day and dream. Great video.
@aaronadams014 жыл бұрын
Also, have you thought of dredging the river?
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support! I would dredge the river but it's illegal at the moment we're hoping that things change though..
@Rustybucket3035 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video guys.
@laughterman8054 жыл бұрын
21:40 “my precious “
@adriaannikken75195 жыл бұрын
Please do an expose of your tools and why you like them, as well as an idea what a random pan might be worth. thanks for your time
@jordansmith97435 жыл бұрын
Man the second you make it in paradise they pitch a tent 😅😇 Thanks for the Upload!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
LOL thats how it goes! Thanks Jordan!
@malsgoldadventures82255 жыл бұрын
Monster gold!! Great vid there brother!!!..look forward to your next one..thanks for taking us along!!
@Askjeffwilliams5 жыл бұрын
nice look Shiney there sonny Jim......keep up the great work
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
I hope Slim don't see this video...He will have a camp down there setup with all them vulture bones!
@joeg95614 жыл бұрын
Awesome 1 year later! Jeff Williams sighting!!!!
@tsrwind97843 жыл бұрын
It's ok sonny flem
@tsrwind97843 жыл бұрын
Lol just kidding hillbilly jeff from the city
@rickcollins43943 жыл бұрын
Mlm M
@pauljacobs80734 жыл бұрын
What a killer looking location. Good stuff. I cant wait till it warms up again!
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Same here Paul its all under 6+ feet of snow now!
@pauljacobs80734 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect Im ready to buy that backhoe & big Ass trommel and hit those yuba gold fields. lol It doesnt snow out there!!
@kurtdiegel74305 жыл бұрын
That was some crazy gold. I have never found that much here in GA in one day.
@michaelsoltysiak13735 жыл бұрын
Great video !!! You're jealous you had to leave , well I'm in Chicago watching .What a beautiful place you have to relax and enjoy spending time with great company AND FIND GOOD GOLD !!!! Im definitely jealous . Anyhow just wanted to say I really enjoy watching your adventures ,be safe and keep them coming.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks you for the support Michael it is much appreciated!
@darrensice15505 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your help with the high banker. With the question I asked about the cordless vacuum didn’t explain what I was asking. With the cleaning of the crevasses that’s got dry dirt I was asking if you have ever thought of using a cordless vacuum to get all the dirt out so whinges can’t attack you about crowbars and things. Just thought I’d ask as you could even have a cordless blower one end blowing towards the vacuum and even use thin cheap paint brushes just couple of things I would try if I was fortunate enough to live close enough to the places you are able to get to and the stress free places like that is what I miss since moving from where I spent my younger years
@colmwatulikededazio9735 жыл бұрын
You sure did...exciting , beautiful place , nice lovely people ..good vibe ..good vid..
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@terryschrecongost28945 жыл бұрын
So how much did you get? Looks like at least 1 oz maybe more.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
It really does look like a lot more than it is, 3 grams total almost 1/8th ounce
@SkittlesRevenge5 жыл бұрын
WOW, Nobody jumped in and gave the Bird mouth to mouth? LOL
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
If that thing bit me it wouldnt be pretty!!
@SkittlesRevenge5 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect LOL Well, I guess that's when You unload a few clips into him/her.
@SkittlesRevenge5 жыл бұрын
@@Catlife247 im glad you wouldnt considering all those herpe sores on your lip ♡♡♡♡¤¤¤
@trojan65304 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Gorgeous Spot to prospect......
@victorrobinson70085 жыл бұрын
You need a small broom, maybe a witch broom that way you can sweep up the little cracks and the little witch broom hairs can help
@jasonkeithprospecting67375 жыл бұрын
I use a traditional flintlock and some musket balls have a bump for the starter rod nice find
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Awesome info thanks!
@jsteelsadventureandvariety5 жыл бұрын
loved the video☺ the scene going underwater between the boulders blew me away! keep up the great work and epic pans😀
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks J! was really neat down there..
@RoosKohn5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I am surprised there is still so much gold to be found
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thnaks for the support! So much more than that as well!
@Musabe0095 жыл бұрын
Dang that place is beautiful! What a great escape day!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Its paradise for sure!
@carlosalvarez74965 жыл бұрын
Man that’s an excellent place to prospect and enjoy. It looks great. Have fun!!!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Carlos!
@croatiansensation60622 жыл бұрын
Us SoCal boys are straight salivating Jerry. Wow what a day!? I would have put on a head lamp and worked through the night :O)
@bedrockbennett18275 жыл бұрын
You got work to find those pickers but those pans make it all worth it
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
That place is sumthin else bro!
@bedrockbennett18275 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect did you go back yesterday...
@bedrockbennett18275 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect got to love it
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
@@bedrockbennett1827 Naw I had to work this weekend and will be camping next.. gonna be a few for me its buggin the crap outta me!
@johnnyt79005 жыл бұрын
That is a bunch. Good cool man.
@johnnyt79005 жыл бұрын
You guys are located in California
@bostonjack3334 жыл бұрын
Quite a crew that day but no Adam Ant the Beantown boy lol Good videos guy , I'm jealous hahaha
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jack, much appreciated!
@Smithsgold5 жыл бұрын
Nice take !!!!!!!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff! It was a good day!
@mattharper73955 жыл бұрын
Epic!! Great gold and good times all around! Killing it jerry
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt!
@shakeme32905 жыл бұрын
That’s my pan!! Lost it in the river in North Carolina last year :)
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
I told you brother I believe that I have it and if we ever meet up i'll happily give it to you guys!
@timanderson10173 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome, I would love to come out there and do that just one time ,
@josephkerley3635 жыл бұрын
What a great day!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Yeah buddy, thanks Joseph!
@brotherbert29965 жыл бұрын
Looks like you found a paradise full of pickers! Great job!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bert! Need to get you down there some time, hope all is well with you bud!
@brotherbert29965 жыл бұрын
@@californiamotherlodeprospect Amazing how many spots are still producing! Lots of shiney left!
@bodge68865 жыл бұрын
Cold clear water and gold, does it get better than that.
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Sure doesn't!
@michaelcervantes90314 жыл бұрын
Dang! That was awesome! Wish my pans looked like that. Nice work fellas.
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael!
@budinfield90645 жыл бұрын
You do a nice job with the videos. Easy to watch and makes me wish l was there
@poseidonprospecting70045 жыл бұрын
Solid pans man! Had to watch this video at least 4 times...😅 love it. Keep em comin!
@C-Smith-874 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful stream........looks like trout should be there.
@GramCanyonSam5 жыл бұрын
Rite on jerry ! Great video and gold as norm 😁 thanks for sharing
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Right on Adam, hope all is well with you bud!
@prestonmoore22093 жыл бұрын
Hey, life long motherlode Californian and historian. If you ever have some time, I'd love to ask you some questions about the history of the area and what impact that has on you, and your conception of this beautiful place we have the privilege of living in.
@tasdgoldprospecting29795 жыл бұрын
Nice looking gold man 🌾👀🌾great video
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for that day bro.. Thanks for the support as always!
@michaelstratos78035 жыл бұрын
What karat is that gold when you find it am sorry I don’t know about this I assume it’s 24k pure gold that you found 3 grams of??thanks brother
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
About 22k
@treasurehuntingscotlandmud93402 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching great finds
@silverstallion46344 жыл бұрын
Dude I would be out there all day every day! Your so lucky
@OrionAL034 жыл бұрын
Amazing video! The Yuba River is my back yard. Live in downtown with a creek that hasn’t seen light in years since pulling apart the boards. Starting to learn to pan and your vids are educational and fun to view. Want to make sure I’m respectful and not an asshole when it comes to panning. If you have any tips or what I need to watch out for in terms of people and their space, I’d greatly appreciate the feedback.
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Make sure you are not on a claim, check out mylandmatters.org, good luck and heavy pans!
@stephenkeleher23464 жыл бұрын
love your videos! I own gold mines near you and two toes,,,,,i watch you guys and learn...thanks...keep em coming....hope we bump into each other out there
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support Stephen!
@penrosenorrisgill1233 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos! From Grass Valley rock dork
@MikeSmith-ek6mc5 жыл бұрын
Wow what a place
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
It truly is paradise!
@Jason-ke7gb5 жыл бұрын
Dude! Now that’s some gold right there. I just moved to Auburn and would love to go to that spot next time you go. Awesome vid bro!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jason! Keep an eye out as I'm planning a group dig soon!
@Jason-ke7gb5 жыл бұрын
California Mother Lode Prospectors Just say the word. I’m there.
@melwilcoxen85294 жыл бұрын
Plenty of gold on the north fork of the American River sounds like you live nearby I took pounds and pounds out of that river and it’s beautiful maybe we can get together and I can show you a few spots
@Nikhilus_yadavus5 жыл бұрын
This is so satisfying to watch
@kenzaragoza54894 жыл бұрын
wow super cool video, thanks. Ive always been curious and now i really wanna try. ill be in bass lake area in august. wondering where i can go up that way. thanks
@californiamotherlodeprospect4 жыл бұрын
Ken thank you, I am not familiar with that area, just do some research before you go and still you never really know until you look, wishing you heavy pans!
@davidmarin54565 жыл бұрын
You will make the Annunaki proud!
@RobertBurke7195 жыл бұрын
What a awesome spot great video man
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Right on Robert!
@chinolok92565 жыл бұрын
Congrats u guys hope u find alot more next time for the next video
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the support!
@richwhite43315 жыл бұрын
Great Video and what a Beautiful Spot!!
@dennissorensen1675 жыл бұрын
Wow Nice finds!
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dennis!
@aumetalmental84035 жыл бұрын
Most excellent day 🤗 awesome 😎
@californiamotherlodeprospect5 жыл бұрын
Freaking RADICAL day William, thanks for watching!
@johnsaucerhunter5 жыл бұрын
Love your video's, your pan at 16:45 s what my first-ever pan looked like off the Stanislaus river. I was 14 years old then and since then have always compared everything I find to that first pan, (needless to say i've been disappointed a number of times).