I got to Tier 8 Government Reform by 1499 in just 3 Steps!

[@thestudentYT]

For all of you who want to see more content with me in this week, feel free to watch me do the qualifying for "Para Bellum", the new EU4 show by @TheRedHawk and @TheSocialStreamers that starts on Wednesday evening! It is basically the follow up on the "Masters of Universalis" Series so expect great Single Player Challenges there!

[@Mattis06]

Very excited

[@speckbretzelfan]

Instructions were unclear. Rebels ate the prime minister.

[@AdTe]

British people's biggest wish

[@ifer1280]

Yeah those Dutchies are next level...

[@jpheitman1]

Certified Dutch moment

[@ThePartyzanin]

Novgorod goes brrrrr

[@sigmaballs2004]

It's true, it's very easy to get all the reforms by 1500. Plutocarty + court, ideas. Crazy Monuments + missions russia have. As a result, 200 percent of the reforms progress. Novgorod go brrrrrr🥹

[@fjooyou]

Reaching Thalassocracy fast is nice, time to make "colonies" better

[@DaGaJbmKojJe]

Make 100 trade protectorates or however they are called for infinite goods produced

[@jansatamme6521]

Persia has a mission that gives them like a t5 reform and then u get to pick all the reforms b4 that for free

[@heliogonzalezsanchez8227]

when you form mughals you get to tier 6 or something like that because it forces you to have 2 or 3 specific reforms, it's also very broken

[@jansatamme6521]

@@heliogonzalezsanchez8227 oh yh, might have gotten that mixed up with this

[@TeamOfElitePandas]

Any mission that gives a government reform as a reward unlocks all the reforms before its tier for free. You can cheese this fact by not taking any reforms until you complete the mission, then you get to keep all of your accumulated reform progress and slingshot ahead.

[@igor8770]

Student: gets 900 reform progress in 50 years and gets another 900 RP with the help of rebels Also Student: 130 YEARS ahead of time! 😄 Supa gut video as always!

[@thestudentYT]

You know why I had so much? Because I spawned Colonialism, I got Naples Monument and I got +100 Progress from a Mission... trust me, you shouldn't compare Normal Nations to this Aragon xD

[@dutchy4830]

This is a great tip simply because it doesnt require you to go out of your way. Very good use of game mechanics

[@gots0359]

Authoritarian monarchies hate this simple trick!

[@norbertlifehackibiggestfan6980]

thats pretty dope, having extra colonist or 5 goods produced with dev cost in 15 century as netherlands is cool

[@edim108]

Republics for the win! My next Novgorod run will be fun :D

[@orestaux9075]

welp, event refuses to trigger, ruler dies of old age, A KING IS CROWNED, switch to monarchy, rip.

[@Netman64xD]

I noticed that the Presidential Dictatorship reform abolishes my Trade League, so watch out for that if you want to use this method

[@rodi8266]

now I need to find a way to get this faster, so I can reap the rewards before I end my campaign in 1510

[@AdTe]

Should we pair this with the Personal Union elective reform/states general trick?

[@Afdch]

Breaking the game yet again

[@phileascurtil5605]

You can get to T7 in 1470 as the mughals. You just have to wait until you get T3 and then form the mughals. It will give you for free all the reforms up to T3.

[@Times_Ticking]

Solid strategy. Just did it as Novgorod. Unfortunately my Protector lived until he was 70. Nevertheless, great strategy!

[@HexManni01]

Would letting the revolutionary rebels enforce, during the age of revolutions, make you revolutionary? Seems like an easy way to go revolutionary fast, as that seems to be really hard late game as you own half the world

[@thestudentYT]

Yes exactly

[@avisdunrandom]

And I though having an average of 2.2 government per month was quite good...

[@Mitracraft1]

I tried in 4 different run and i got it in only 1 run. I even tried to optimized the run to trigger it ( For example, i didn't pick advisors because other republican dictatorship event need them) But i keep getting others republican dictatorship event like "Dictator Takes Control of Administration". Maybe i'm just unlucky but overall i liked the idea even if i couldn't test it. (As others has said in the comment, by accident i did this strategy with mughals)

[@rasplay5761]

so many times i have done it ,but never let rebels enforce demands. nice! Did you check it, to do more then once in a campaign?

[@thestudentYT]

Sure

[@robagtheunmarked4073]

Dude, this is probably the greatest yet. Really. Soo good

[@kutayiscringe]

does this work with milan when its an ambrosian republic

[@thestudentYT]

As I said: Only if you choose to become a Military Dictatorship or a normal Dictatorship

[@ChrisTheWildman]

Hold on, you skipped the part of how you trigger the "people want democracy" event. In the game file it says that it has to be triggered somehow (is_triggered_only = yes), yet I can't find what triggers it. In the vid you said that you managed to get it twice but I can't do that in the game. What steps did you take to trigger it?

[@ChrisTheWildman]

Ok I found the trigger to be an old one in on_actions, it's a four-year pulse event, yet after 12 years of dictatorship I still did not get any of the dictatorship events. Are there any additional conditions that have to be met, e.g no custom nations?

[@thestudentYT]

No but 12 years is not to unlucky to be abnormal

[@ChrisTheWildman]

@@thestudentYT Hmmm perhaps I misundertand how pulse events work exactly. I was under the impression that every single one of them is guaranteed to be triggered every X years (in this case 4) on a random day of that year. Is this incorrect?

[@thestudentYT]

@@ChrisTheWildman No, there is one day every 4 years where the pulse triggers and then that means that ONE of the events from this pulse can trigger AND also there is like a relativly high chance that now event triggers

[@knuglear6936]

Can i still switch to republic with my government reform eventhough i become an empire once the rebels enforce?

[@thestudentYT]

These Rebels make you a Republic if you have more than 50 republican Tradition when they enforce... and what has the empire Rank to do with that?

[@knuglear6936]

@@thestudentYT Ah probably nothing. I just refered to the kingdom as empire because you did in the video. Just automatic from my part. :P My question was just that if I flip to kingdom by accident before I get a chance to get 50 rep trad then can I still change into a rep again with the gov reform at tier 6? It looked like it was grayed out for you when you chose it.

[@thestudentYT]

@@knuglear6936 Yes these Rebels change Monarchies and Theocracies (and Tribes) into Republics when they enforce! I just became a Monarchy here because of the special Dictatorship Mechanic

[@Americanizzle]

Do I see correctly that you aren't even forced to take Parliamentarism once you spend your reform progress up to T6, so you can keep your nobility estate around?

[@thestudentYT]

Sure, and you can anyways always switch out of Parliamentarism for just 50 Progress

[@tomspooo7082]

If it enact t6 Parlementarism couldn't you take reform to T4 ?

[@thestudentYT]

Sure but if you don't then you get everything up to Tier 6 for free...

[@yexin4093]

Can you do this with Venice? they have government mechanics that give you 50 government reform progress for 50 admin every 5 years

[@thestudentYT]

Yes sure

[@yexin4093]

@@thestudentYT Video idea for you?

[@thestudentYT]

@@yexin4093 I haven't looked at the new venice yet at all and I have quite some video ideas on the line but maybe in the future I'll have a look to see if there's something with that :)

[@Bleiser3]

Can I become republic as japan?

[@thestudentYT]

Yes, but only with the Tier 6 Reform or with the Ikko Ikki (or whatever it is called xD) Shinto Incident

[@christianwhite8877]

I have a question, is the peasant republic worth the loss of the nobility estate? You lose some very important things (strong duchy's. A free mill point each month. Free manpower. The integration policy, and the most reliable source of the subjugation cb)

[@thestudentYT]

Generally not but for Aragon, definetly! Mainly because of the insane sripted Ruler and the Missions for Republics... and you can always just switch out of the Reform if you want

[@christianwhite8877]

The problem is choosing the reform to replace it. Going back to monarchy is a decent option if you have the correct stuff (low Republican tradition. Lots of reform progress, Perhaps a specific mission or a scripted event), but to stay a republic you need a reform that is better (stuff like absolutism can be considered. However stuff like the time between elections and what the reform gives are usually more important, without nation and culture specific reform options I think the noble republic is among the best because it has the shortest base election time (if you don't count stuff like plutocracy and peasant republic) the highest absolutism bonus (it very quickly can rival a monarchy) and gives more tax if I remember correctly)

[@thestudentYT]

@@christianwhite8877 A noble Republic has the longest base Election Term (8 years) and it gives no tax, it just changes pluto ideas to Aristo

[@christianwhite8877]

Guess I was incorrect. Though there aren't many other good options that still have all 3 estates and don't lower absolutism that aren't also nation or culture specific (or in some cases religion specific), it could be worth making a republic tier list for eu4

[@habb420]

this was already known but i'm just curious if this was an interaction you heard about and decided to share or if you discovered it independently

[@thestudentYT]

I knowed that these Rebels exist for like 2 years but I never had an oportunity to use them until now for this game where I follow a greater Plan

[@Stephen64138]

In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitch, or use elements of a game system in a manner not intended by the game's designers, in a way that gives a substantial unfair advantage to players using it. In video games, cheesing means you're exploiting systemic quirks or apparent design oversights to gain maximum advantage for minimum skill or effort. ... Very instructive video as aslways. And this is 100% an exploit and a cheese...

[@thestudentYT]

You say, this is not intended... but it obviously is... it is intended that you are able to thesd rebels before Age of Revolitions (it is even so intended that pdx made them do something special outside of Age of Revolutions) and as this special rebel enforce is intended it is also intended that they give you Tier 6 Reform and it is intended that you can always take all the Reforms up to your latest Reform for free so that there is no Situation in which you have Tier 3 enacted but not Tier 2... and it is also fully intended that you can safe up your Progress so that you can take special Reforms later once you unlock them (through Missions f.e.) or so that you can spend it on Gov. Cap. So wtf have I used here that is not intended??

[@Stephen64138]

@@thestudentYT Paradox never intended for you to suddently gain 1000 governement reform in 1499 due to revolutionnary rebels enforcing their demands while you don't have any reforms unlocked yet. It's an oversight by the devs. And if Habibi, Zleiviik or Florryworry would start to use that tomorrow in multiplayer, taking a massive lead against their opponents, people would take a look into that and Paradox would FIX that. Because it's not intended like this. Therefore, it is an exploit. Definition of an exploit: The use of a bug or glitch, or use elements of a game system **in a manner not intended by the game's designers** The game mechanic work as intended, but you are using it in a way that is not. It's 100% an exploit. Doesn't mean it's not nice to know! And in SP, who cares? But God damn it, it's an exploit!

[@felixfricke6069]

@@thestudentYT it is obviously an exploit since your T6 Gov. is not locked as intended. The rest is well since I am not a dev the definition used by Stephen is surely ok but states only devs have the final say in what is an exploit.

[@ulfekenberg6463]

@@Stephen64138 But he would have gained tier 6 regardless if he saved up or didnt. There are countries or missions that make you unlock a certain tier so the devs are 100% aware of this. Him saving up goverment reform progress is his personal choice. The saved up reform progress he could have spammed to increase his goverment capacity and you wouldnt have said anything about exploting

[@thestudentYT]

@@Stephen64138 maybe you should ask pdx this and see if it get's patched with the next update then :) Also this was actually used in the MP Community for quite some time it's just that it takes quite some setup so it is not OP... And also there is a clearly difference between things that the devs made the Game for and things that the devs intended to work a specific way: So do you think that Johan planned EU4 so that you can get 3000% OE in one war by stacking Warscore-Cost and then core everything in 6 months by stacking CCR so that you still don't get a single rebel stack from that? Definetly not, right? But the devs knew that some things like this would be discovered by the Community and they think it's totally fine... that's why the Adm Efficiency cap is still at -90% and that's why CCR is still capped at 6 months and not at 12 or so... Combining Intended Game Mechanics in a creative way (as like in this tactic) is literally the reason why EU4 has such a great success and creates such a great feeling while playing... and THAT is definetly intended by the devs! That's what the devs want! And they'll only patch it out once it becomes so broken that it's no fun anymore because THEN it's not intended anymore You see what I'm saying now?

[@nctamer]

just start as venice, choose the guilds faction and enjoy an 50 reform progress every 3 years... also there's the doge's palace and high republican tradition... i guess better than ruining your country and wasting 60 years without any reform progress?

[@thestudentYT]

But you don't play venice every Game, do you?

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

Can you not... stay a democracy, and do it again for even more points?

[@thestudentYT]

Yes sure but then you'll have to trigger the event again, let the rebels win again, boost your Rep. Tradition over 50 each time... not worth it more than 2 times imo but yes you can do that

[@shadeblackwolf1508]

@@thestudentYT not more than 2, but you saying a 2nd might be worthwhile given the right setup?

[@thestudentYT]

@@shadeblackwolf1508 yes because then you'll have all Reforms unlocked

[@hh8575]

So if you start as Novgorod,would it give you parlamient and disables nobility?

[@thestudentYT]

Yes! - if the rebels enforce on you while having more than 50 Rep. Tradition

[@dmitriysmirnoff8636]

"The best way to play a republic is to just keep reelecting your ruler" (c)

[@zigedelic3909]

I love the strat, but you're kidding yourself by saying it's not cheese. It's not the cheesiest thing you've shown us, but it's still *definitely* a cheese strat.

[@МИРУКРАИНЕСВОБОДУРОССИИ]

Would be interesting to see where you can get if you start as Venice and just spam guild interactions

[@olliejobson6371]

Welp time to try this out

[@achillesmichael5705]

Bruv how do you even figure this out

[@Shayrin2]

"Without using exploit or cheesing" what ? That’s pretty much the definition of exploit / cheesing lmao

[@thestudentYT]

The player or even the AI can do this completly unintentional by accident... so tell me, how can it be an "Exploit" if the AI can do it by Accident?

[@rasplay5761]

@@thestudentYT second time in campaign it will count as exploit;)

[@Shayrin2]

@@thestudentYT you’re not doing it by accident. You are voluntarily using an oversight by the game developers to gain an advantage; to advance in certain fields "150 years" ahead of the intended time. That’s the very definition of exploit. In a multiplayer game, this would 100% be classified as exploit. Do note that I don’t care lmao, but don’t claim it’s not an exploit when this is 100% exploiting a non-intended feature. "In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitch, or use elements of a game system in a manner not intended by the game's designers, in a way that gives a substantial unfair advantage to players using it."

[@thestudentYT]

@@Shayrin2 So when the AI does that by accident then the AI would be "Exploiting" the Game, then...

[@hugosu6398]

Hi thestudent, my government type turned into a monarchy upon the death of my dictator ruler, before I can get the democracy event, do you know why thats the case? cheers!

[@thestudentYT]

If the Tradition is below 50 then you'll become a Monarchy when the Dictatorship ends otherwise you become a normal Republic again

[@s0undf0rm]

Student is our T14 gov reform

[@boop7441]

why didn't you compare with a republic like florence instead of france? republican tradition gives 100% reform growth at max, so better comparison is with another republic that also has that reform growth

[@thestudentYT]

Because i was a Monarchy at the start and at the end

[@boop7441]

​@@thestudentYT yes, but for most of the game you are a republic up until this point. I put some calculations in desmos, and it takes 53.3 years without events to get to 20 reptrad, and until then you lose about 200 government reform vs if you just keep your republican tradition high, and you gain like 330 government reform vs just a normal monarchy with just the bonus from republic tradition. imo it would be better to show how much over a republic you gotten, because it shows how much advantage you get over just staying as a republic normally until you reach the final reform and switch back to monarchy. (which btw, based on my math only takes 2 years longer than if you do the switch once and stay as monarchy, and you get all the other benefits of being a republic with high tradition and elections in the meantime). Also helpful to show for people who want to stay as monarchy.

[@jamesbaxterfirst]

Gonna try this in a Florence -> Italy game while I take advantage of Italian signorias being allowed to get BI

[@zagsarraykland6291]

Why get bored by this shenanigans , if you can just take Venice , and spawn 50 gov reform every 3 year by 1 button , and have income of more then 3 gov reform in 1 month with crazy modifiers. I'm pretty sure i'll fill all reforms around 1510-1515

[@thestudentYT]

Because you don't play Venice every Game right? xd

[@Mattis06]

I saw revolutionary rebels in a eu4 mp game it was pretty early in to the game.

[@oKnuTo]

can this be done with venic goverment ?

[@thestudentYT]

Yes

[@oKnuTo]

@@thestudentYT hmm i played a iron man an i somehow got the setup wrong i instead got events that turned me into a monachy. but i also tested in console and as you said it works.

[@thestudentYT]

@@oKnuTo Do you have all DLCs? Sadly the Dictatorship events are DLC content

[@oKnuTo]

@@thestudentYT nono i did something wrong. i dont now what i tested it and turned into dictaotrship. but while playing regualr iron man i didnt get the dictatorship pop up and instead turned into a monachy.

[@albie8999]

hello man am a big fan and while watching a lot ive noticed u have an addon where all your events are colourful please what is it?

[@thestudentYT]

Why does no one reads the video description... It's called "The Great Exhibition"

[@OcaenNam]

i believe there is another way to do this. Get a tier 1 monarchy reform that has parliament, do the formalize separation of powers decision, and then figure out any way to get rid of your parliament. after a while, you should get an event called "constitutional restoration" which gives you the parliamentarism reform for free

[@thestudentYT]

You only get this event if you are already at Tier 5 Reform

[@OcaenNam]

@@thestudentYT it does still let you skip 1 reform, while being significantly easier to pull off

[@zacharykrastowicz7485]

Could this be done as Sich Rada? They already have nobility disabled so parliament is actually not bad at all, and it would theoretically let you do it all over again. Only worry would be that when re-selecting reforms the special Sich Rada reform is disabled. Also, is it possible for the event to trigger if your Republican tradition is above 50? I thought it only triggered on low republican tradition, so how would it trigger then?

[@thestudentYT]

So Sich Rada works and you can always retake the Sich Rada Reform, it will always be available if you unlocked it once it the Game. But: the event for the Rebels only triggers if you are in a Presidental Dictatorship, it has nothing to do with Rep. Tradition, it's just that to become a Presidental Dictatorship you need to be below 40 Tradition for the event. But then as long as you are a Dictatorship you can trigger the event as often as you want and therfore lose to Rebels as often as you want and therefore get as much Reformprogress as you want

[@zacharykrastowicz7485]

@@thestudentYT But you can only get the Dictatorship reform itself under 20 tradition right? It would take quite some shenanigans to dip down to 20, have an election, and get back up to 50 before the event fires right? Typically you only get 1-1.5 tradition per year

[@thestudentYT]

@@zacharykrastowicz7485 no because you get several events that give you Tradition... even the event with the Rebels itself gives you 20 Tradition in the other option!

[@Merapsco]

Epic

[@tomofasia]

Does this work with pirate republics?

[@thestudentYT]

No they cannot fall for a Dictatorship sadly... but they are OP otherwise so... no need for more OP stuff there xD