I Grounded My Daughter After She Caused My SIL's Dog to Break Her Ribs and Paws for Some TikTok L...

[@sweeety969]

OP really said no mercy. I dont blame her though. Her daughter had no empathy for that dog so this is fair.

[@IzzyPR2010]

Not just the actions but how she attempted to justify it, the things she said about that poor animal. If she could say things like that she has no business having a pet. Also a new therapist is needed as this one is still saying the daughter should still get a service pet after her actions towards another person's pet and lack of remorse and empathy.

[@juliearmfield2634]

You know I wonder how many of these kids and young adults are actually have mental and emotional disorders as opposed to they've just been raised with their electronics and disconnected from their parents. In the psychiatrist and doctors just slap mental illness on them so they can prescribe them drugs for an easy fix or so they think. As well as getting kicked back from the pharmaceutical companies. I'm not saying this is definitely what's going on but it's definitely something to think about

[@ZepplinGirl86]

This is SPARTA!!!

[@att6484]

​@@IzzyPR2010as someone with severe social anxiety and a pet labrador of my own (not service) this girl shouldnt be trusted with an animal until she learns how horrible her actions were and properly apologises for it.

[@laurelrhodes744]

Story 1: DO NOT give that girl a dog. If she holds no empathy for another person’s dog, she won’t he a good pet owner at all. Maybe I’m biased as an animal lover, but I also own a service dog for anxiety. You have to take care of them just as much as they take care of you.

[@cbrock5529]

As someone who has a service dog (yes a real one) and volunteers at a dog training center, this person should not be allowed to own any pet, ESA, or service animal period.

[@MiraTheWarlock]

Story 1 As someone with severe anxiety, might as well say it I have no sympathy in any shape or form for that girl She's gonna have to find another way to deal with her problems, do not, AND I MEAN DO NOT, let her anywhere near any living creature. Not animals, hell if they're small and defenseless then not even other humans It's sad she's dealing with mental problems, but she's dangerous, with a damning lack of empathy The Husband needs to get with the program and not endanger critters for his little princess. She'll have to make do with exposure therapy and medication. Dont like it? Tough She's not sorry for what she did, she made that very clear, she's sorry there's consequences Story 2 So this is awkward, Autistic person here too, I'll add in what applies to the story above: YOUR DIAGNOSIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE, that dude needs to be locked up Kinda reminds me of that incident where a boy went berserk because a teacher confiscated his game during class. His mother also tried to use it as an excuse to spare him from prison. Like....no... Honestly OP should move. His mother made her choice, she's on her own

[@Levithos]

Yeah, I hate when people use their mental health issues as a reason for their buttholian behavior. I have my own issues, and yet I was still raised to take accountability for my actions. As my parents said before, "You may be an @ss to someone who also has mental health issues who wouldn't think twice about k*lling you."

[@beverlyarcher546]

Honestly a lot of ppl wouldn't believe I'm not a ppl person bullied in school because of how I am it's like yeah? When was the last time you actually seen me in a room with more then 10 ppl that I have to talk to? And no singing doesn't count as I never do solos

[@artificerdrachen6908]

That dude from story 2 is gonna have a fit and end up either with an assault charge or even a third/second degree murder charge if he isn't dealt with.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Yeah, especially those first two stories made my blood boil. I have a cousin who is schizophrenic and he isn’t anywhere near as bad as second story OP’s brother, or the daughter from the first story.

[@LunaTemari]

OP's kid should not be allowed near any animal ever.. psychopath behavior. Also OP needs to find a better therapist for her daughter

[@LunaP1]

And OP needs to find a better husband.

[@Twist-The-Friendly-Hunter]

Story 1: I have anxiety issues and my family has 4 dogs... 2 of which are adopted. They are family and are treated as such. I woupd NEVER intentionally hurt or abuse any of them for tiktok of all things. A few key notes. 1. The daughter sounds like a actual psychopath with 0 empathy who should never be left alone with a living animal or child. 2. The father... what a terrible example of a father brushing aside this behaviour.

[@badgerp-chanqueen7707]

Yes. I have adopted both cats and dogs, all give up to me by owners or adopted from public places and I give them more love than myself

[@Jargonecius]

I have crippling anxiety and I have to agree that Mom is right. The daughter needs to be pushed to function it in the real world because her parents are not going to be around forever to protect her.

[@erickaennis2738]

Story 2. Autistic people can be AH too. Autistic or not. A lot of them know what they are doing. They are not stupid. Give them credit people. I hope Op gets outta that situation. His mom needs to help herself. Op needs to go full NC with his brother.

[@Frightmarelordofthenightmares]

As an autistic person I have Moral Agency but love to do good stuff so I can confirm this.

[@Tbm998]

Agreed, OP should get out and go no contact with the brother... after dumping ketchup over everything precious the brother owns. If he wants to whine about "Passive agression" so much, might as well give him what he's asking for! XD (Op should not actually do this, given there might be legal repurcussions... but a good deal of pranking on the way out the door would lilely be justified)

[@laurelrhodes744]

@@FrightmarelordofthenightmaresI co-sign this as another autistic person

[@avaphynx]

Yeah, it's terrible. They think Autistic people can't learn right from wrong or whatever people try to excuse.

[@SLOTHSRIDEUNICORNS]

He is not autistic. Shame on you all. I would not do this just because I have autism.

[@Walhor]

S1: Glad OP blocked the daughter from getting a service dog if she sees so little value in it if its not 'cute' enough for tiktok. S2: Move out immediatly, your brother will never respect you, and it will only get worse. S3: Husband seems like a manchild who can't even handle wife having one day to grief her aunt.

[@misterpisser]

I have a 22 year old woman who has SAD. Never have E V E R abused a dog. There is no excuse. Her therapist is an idiot. The husband is an idiot. Make her work that damn job until she pays back that money and DELETE TikTok off of her phone.

[@RepellentJeff]

Sidebar: I’m guessing the TikTok video is the one with the husky on the roof; “Grey! What the f*** are you doing!? _…HOW DID YOU GET UP THERE!?”_

[@gothcsm]

I don’t know, some dogs are genuinely just that sneaky/stupid 😭

[@Polemistis0416]

​@gothcsm My white labrador is an example. He knows how to climb up stuff to steal food or escape a fence. But he is too dumb to discern what is safe to eat or not.

[@LunaP1]

​@gothcsm if a husky wants to get somewhere, they will stop at nothing to get there.😂

[@Permenantlyexhaustedghost115]

Story 1: This child should never be allowed anywhere near animals period. She needs a psychiatrist and better therapist. It sounds like she had no empathy nor remorse for her actions. Story 2: Autism isn’t an excuse to behave like an abusive pos. He knows what he’s doing. Sadly the longer he continues to behave this way the worse he’ll get. Op needs to leave.

[@CheyenneRoy-mk9lp]

Good on OP for being an actual parent and not allowing her daughter to be a privileged, anxiety ridden, "could do no wrong" angel and trying to teach her daughter to deal with repercussions for stupidity based on "I saw this on TikTok and wanted to try this because it looked cool." Good on OP for sticking with firm discipline, setting her up to deal with difficult situations in the future, there are consequences for bad behavior and lack of common sense and empathy like almost getting an animal killed JUST for fucking TikTok views. So good job OP. Hopefully the lesson is learned and she'll not do stupid things like that again and think things through next time.

[@spicyt0fu]

i actually really respect that you always include the OP and original title in the description. it's small but it's something so few people bother with

[@aleksandarvil5718]

Story 1: OP = NTA *John Wick Approves THIS !!!*

[@CG-yb6zj]

Story 1: That girl needs to be on a list and the husband a sub list for enabling her behavior

[@deathound]

Why is it that almost every time someone winds up as a piece of shit, it’s always “bipolar”? The kid had absolutely no mercy for that animal, and judging from their later reaction, it wasn’t an ‘episode’ it was them feeling entitled to act that way. It’s either poor parenting or the kid has been watching some messed up stuff without them knowing (TikTok, of course) and thought it was a good idea. I don’t think this had anything to do with bipolar.

[@red0421]

1 in 100 people are psychopaths. Just saying, the absolute lack of empathy for almost killing a pet makes one think.

[@neshaboo933]

story 2:It really sucks that OP is dealing with this. I know exactly how she feels. I have a bipolar schizophrenic uncle and it freaking sucks. Caretakers to these individuals are not praised enough. They are a freaking godsend(most of the time). They have to take the abuse mentally, emotionally sometimes physically day in and day out and are expected not to react. Then have to wake up and deal with the same shit all over again. It’s a never-ending cycle. It takes so much out of person.😩

[@cyndirankin]

My eldest suffers from SAD. She has empathy and shows love.

[@IzzyPR2010]

So when the daughter was taken to a psychologist she was told to "continue homeschooling as it's too late to put her in a school where everyone has already developed their own friendship groups, etc.", wouldn't this also mean that she couldn't attend college? Also people transfer to other schools all the time and then have to get involved in new friend groups. This seems like a pretty good reason not to do home schooling as the child will never develop, also it seems the parents reach out to people, like this psychologist, who will justify the need to keep the child in home schooling. No good comes out of home schooling.

[@spicyt0fu]

The therapist seems super weird

[@justsomedangerbigfootwithweb]

​@@spicyt0fu Their just lying so they can keep making money fron Anxiety Medication. If the daughter learns to socialize with people she propably won't need them anymore.

[@Polemistis0416]

I knew a family that homeschooled their kids. They still act like normal people. I don't know how they would become as adults if they did attend a school. The oldest is the most well-behaved and graduated at the top of his class in the Air Force. He is a total extrovert who loves making new friends. But two daughters are a bit rebellious as they probably want to be free and live a life that they missed out on in their youth.

[@TrombeX2]

Speaking as a guy who was 'homeschooled'(i use that term EXTREMELY loosely, as my mother halfassed it the whole time, and pops was never in our lives at all), it both helped and hindered me. On the one hand, I'm more socially independent and pretty much immune to peer pressure. On the other hand, I got basically no 'proper' education for previously-stated reasons. Still ended up a reasonably well-adjusted guy, albeit socially inept and awkward as fuck. (Not sure if I might not be on the spectrum or have ADD/ADHD, never got formally diagnosed lol) That said, I pretty much agree. Homeschooling is, at best, a double-edged sword. Hubby and kiddo need a bloody reality check and then some. And probably an out-of-state therapist/psychologist if they hapoen to live in the states, because it's clear the local one is encouraging the hubby's behavior. ....Say, I wonder if the therapist is a woman? Because if so, it really makes me wonder if there isn't a little something-something going on between hubby and the therapist.

[@alise45647]

Just by the title alone im still screaming wtf.

[@devhxh1558]

STORY 2: Husband threatens about divorce for making a cake. Wife gave him a divorce. . Marriage in nutshell

[@just_apotato]

It’s 3 not 2.

[@Brit626]

S1: She has no empathy, holy shit. I don't blame SIL for her reaction. She shouldn't be given such a huge responsibility if she can not see the value of even a senior, shelter dog. Had I been SIL, I would have sued.

[@lindah3803]

Last story: My Dad loved German Chocolate cake. From the time I was little, Mom and I would make a German Chocolate cake from scratch for my Dad's birthday. I haven't made one since 1981. I'll never make another one.

[@alexandersk20]

3rd story: The ex is a weirdo

[@absolutearcher3137]

1.- I don't like dogs, but I would also never even consider endangering one like that. NTA. 2.- As someone with a strong family history of diagnosed autism I'll say this: we are people, we come in all flavors, we deserve respect AND consequences like everyone else.

[@Lloyd_Jane]

Oh hell no, the daughter does not deserve a dog or should be anywhere near a pet.

[@Azoth742]

The second story is driving me insane I haven’t finished it yet, but holy crap!

[@goodnightmyprince6734]

Op takes no prisoners

[@amyyakumb]

S1: The daughter got off pretty easily. Personally, I'm surprised the daughter wasn't completely disowned over this, cut off from any support, and simply treated the same way as the old/service/shelter dogs that apparently don't deserve love.

[@Arkryal]

There has to be an intellectual deficit as well. Her inability to reason in spite of her anxiety points to something else. She seems functional but on the very slow side... like an IQ in the low 80s. Any rational person of her age would have realized how stupid this was. And why would someone with social anxiety give a shit about TikTok views? "I have social anxiety, so I want millions of people to watch me do something stupid, for which I will be foreseeably and justifiably ridiculed". The behavior doesn't add up unless this girl is also dumber than a Pauly Shore movie. I mean, seriously... Does her social media bio list her favorite flavor of crayon? "Social Anxiety" is a challenge to be overcome. It is NOT an excuse to not try, and definitely not an excuse to do horrible things for stupid reasons. Anxiety is not a pardon from accountability. She doesn't need a dog to alert her to an oncoming anxiety attack. A Fitbit can do that. In fact, most competent therapists resist suggesting an ESA for anxiety disorders. They used to, but that has changed a lot over the last 10 years. If the attention of strangers is a trigger for an episode, walking in public with a dog tends to attract attention, and not always good attention. There have been ZERO clinical studies that show an ESA has any positive effect in such cases. There are antidotal testimonies, but nothing statistically relevant on a population scale. The therapist is a hack. At minimum, they're not keeping up on current research and recommendations. A good therapist can be a huge help, but as anyone who has ever worked along side other people can attest, a job title is not a qualification, there are many people who have the same job title as you or I in our respective vocations, who suck at their jobs. And sadly that does extend to therapists, doctors, police, judges, lawyers, air traffic controllers... Just because they're a therapist doesn't mean they're a good one. That's one of those professions where you need to shop around a bit before retaining someone. I would instead look into some of the newer therapeutic behavioral studies. They're actually using an LLM (AI model like ChatGPT) with VR characters to create virtual "friends". These characters have their own virtual lives, they have conversations about real subjects, not some fantasy game world. From what I've seen people can't distinguish the characters played by humans VS AI with more than a 30% success rate. That could provide some social stimulation in a controlled environment without any consequences. This approach is still being studied, so who knows if it actually works. But the theory is sound. Kids interact with familiar characters and get accustomed to that interaction without having to worry about any ramifications, then they can engage in a variety of scenarios, some very easy, some more complicated, and some extremely challenging. I don't know if this is even open to the public at this stage, or if it's a controlled study. I think Meta (Facebook) is running a similar one, as they incidentally have the LLama AI framework and the Oculus VR Headset, and they have a long and shady history of manipulating psychology and running studies on unwitting users of their products, lol.

[@Afrogirrl]

Cause that’s not how you discipline teenagers lol? You can’t just “disown” them everytime they go too far 😂. That’s irresponsible parenting.

[@badgerp-chanqueen7707]

Right.

[@eldenlion5850]

​@Afrogirrl Sure I can. Obviously, once they're 18, they get a suitcase a couple hundred bucks and a so long.

[@Afrogirrl]

@@eldenlion5850 parenting doesnt end at 18. Sure you have to be a lot less "hands on", but you still need to give support to your child in some way or form. Its a bit selfish forcing someone onto this earth to just "so long" them after 18 years, you know?

[@maxportellichadwick261]

In the first story, the only thing i would say is that the therapist is right in saying to not permanently stop her from getting a service dog. That being said when the dad started to go around OP, going to the police is the only logical solution. Actions have consequences and that needs to be reinforced above all else, not its hard for you so you wont have to deal with your consequences.

[@milkflavoredlacroix4868]

Coming from a person whose romantic partner has social anxiety, and i myself, have Bipolar Depressive, the first story absolutely gets on my nerves. The mother needs to be more stern to not only her daughter but her husband. Her husband is enabling his daughter into thinking not only is it possibly okay to sweep deep situations under the rug, abuse animals, but he's also a manipulative psycho! He legit subjected the sister into coercion to let the daughter see the dog again. But the fact he went BEHIND OP's back to get an emotional support animal. The fact that they harmed an animal is bad but the idea that the therapist might blame her actions on her social anxiety (trying to get attention from her actions through TikTok) but perhaps also blaming her actions partially on her 'bipolar' disorder 💀💀 The daughter shouldn't be around any animals PERIOD. And she needs severe therapy or help for the anxiety issues, because not only can her parents not care for her forever, but what happens when she turns into an adult? What then? Only work in a simple job with zero human interaction? Or even be unable to go get essentials without breaking down? She needs to grow up (as harsh as that sounds), or else she'll just stay the same or even get WORSE.

[@classicrockkid345]

Hey OP, does your husband wanna buy the Brooklyn bridge? Cause I got the deed right here.

[@nessabell2848]

Story 2: Get the fuck away from him. Find a safe place. You dont have to stay or you can call and have him 51/50

[@ChefRye1]

After hearing the story I call bs on the social anxiety, she figured out how to get attention from OP even made her quite her job. Sounds like OP and her husband failed as parents by coddling her. And the therapist is joining because the more that OP’s daughter is coddled the more therapist gets paid. This is why therapy is useless

[@fedpostah]

(1st) The therapist's job is to help with the social anxiety so obviously they will be biased towards anything that involved this anxiety, they should be ignored for now as OP treats her daughter's worse mental illness; her clear sociopathy.

[@ScottBub]

Really? She can’t hold a social job because of anxiety? How is she ever going to function in real life?

[@fedpostah]

The daughter from story one and the brother from story two should get married and live away from civilization to spare us their burden

[@789sadie]

In the second story, your brother may have autism, but OP’s brother is a psychopath with narcissistic tendencies

[@InTheDemonsWake]

story 2: am I reading the script to step brothers??

[@samw8452]

She abused a dog but wont abuse hers? The teen knew what she was doing was wrong. Thats why she waited until she was alone to pull her "prank". Lol. Are your therapist and husband stupid?

[@sweeety969]

Okay, 1st OP should listen to some of those comments encouraging her to get her daughter out more before she turns into...well, me. If her husband wants to take over her care so much he can lead this form of exposure therapy. Take her ice skating or to a movie or to the library. Maybe see about reaching out to friends or old classmates who might have kids and see about setting up a playdate. Someone mentioned social media and i agree, esoecially with being bipolar and having social anxiety that the worst place for her to be is social media. As for the job, there's plenty of manual labour jobs she can do, such as amazin warehouse work or lawn mowing or stocking in a grocery store where she would not need to socialise as much and woukd have an easier time working off her debt. And i believe that while it's a good idea to lay off the SIL and have the daughter pay off her parents, her dad wikl probably try to interfere again and lessen her punishment and excuse her debt so it's better to have an extra party holding her accountable. Also it's good to consult ankther therapist once in a while, especially if she's stagnating with the first one and not making any progress. She should probably be in cognitive behavioural therapy and engaging in exposure therapy to help her with her social anxiety, rather than just settling on crutches like service animals. While they may help, CBT, especially while she's still young and her brain is more malleable, is a more long-term solution and a service animal is more of a band-aid.

[@iamhector24]

Wait youre in your 30s and complaining about your brother? MOVE OUT.

[@Afrogirrl]

What she filed a police report on her daughter?????

[@devhxh1558]

STORY 1: Like mother like daughter. Sending her 15 yr old who hav sever social anxiety issues, to work as a waitress.. where she has been throwing up whole time. Even getting a police records against her daughter.. . . Thats not how you support your mentally ill children

[@spicyt0fu]

She tried to kill a dog because it "had no value dude" she just doesnt want her kid to be a murderer cause that shit starts with animals

[@Maestrosendgame]

So explain how then? As she clearly needs discipline with an iron hand as this along with her justification shows if it’s not checked now then it’ll be prison or worse later.

[@justsomedangerbigfootwithweb]

Anxiety isn't an excuse. If you coddle her too much she won't be able to deal with the real world. YTA.

[@Brit626]

Because of her daughter, her aunt's senior dog had broken ribs AND a broken paw! Like..

[@questions3983]

Don't become a parent. You would definately be one of those crap parents who says it's the victums fault that your kid murdered them. And that your kid was always good going to church and all that other BS. Problem is, people like you do not take it seriously when your child attempt to murder anything. Always blaming mental illness, but don't do or give any actual help .