I Guess We Should Talk About It

[@XZaguer]

i know it has nothing to do with the video but im just amazed how they managed to make bleeding worse than legacy, imagine getting pinned instantly, run away, sit down and still bleed out

[@ej2u545]

I agree, its why i dont play the isle anymore. I'v been playing BoB and PoT almost exclusively because of how incompetent the isle team is.

[@roguetheoutlander8800]

Well, tbh, this also happened to me in Legacy few times

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

i do prefer legacy bleed,it had its flaws but this bleed still needs tweaks i feel

[@thederpyspinosaurus6501]

Wow, you're telling me a GALLI, a creature that is WEAK TO BLEED, bled out after getting pounced for a long time? This is truly preposterous.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

@@thederpyspinosaurus6501 yeah but like,one pounce and i die that quickly?

[@Cheirus4212]

Seeing both The Isle and Path of Titans compete in the "who can make their game the shittiest with a single balance change (Raptor assisted)" Speedrun at the same exact tame is surreal

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

It’s dinosaur survival game heritage

[@Blood_SC]

Eh, only real issue I'd say currently with PoT's pounce atm is fact the made them immune to damage from their pounced target. Was better when raptors had to pounce onto the correct spot to avoid being hit by tails or bite/clawed when on shoulders.

[@halfslyced]

"hello, my fellow americans" 💀💀💀

[@jjfajen]

1:54 Aw hell nah, galli got that into the spiderverse ass framerate 💀

[@PIayer0]

I was literally just about to say the same thing lmao

[@maximus3983]

NPC ahh galli gameplay in the background

[@SirPigeon420]

owomniraptor truly is the playable of all time, also galli has always been pinned even when 6.5 came out it's pachy that it getting pinned by a solo raptor is new

[@EdmundiumHitting]

3:14 I always get flamed on the isle cord for saying this. But Pachy needs a buff. With these changes Pachy is now completely outperformed by Omni.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

dev bum licks jumped you

[@EdmundiumHitting]

@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx Me being savagely clowned on in the isle cord (I shared my thoughts on the game, fatal mistake)

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

@@EdmundiumHitting 🤣

[@kenshinhimura9387]

No pachy does not need a buff. It can kill anything it wants with zero challenge. You can just perma break/knock down an Omni until it dies. They have zero chance to fight back once you land that first hit. Even Carno gets destroyed by a pachy. You break the Carno face, break his body, then break his legs and finish him off. he can't even fight back or run away. Pachy literally has more stamina than the Omni. I can just chase you until you run out of stamina then I get to have my way with you and you have no defense.

[@avorall]

pachy does not need a buff it literally stun locks anything close to its weight

[@Meo.Melody]

I agree with you. I really like the grapple; it looks like lions hunting down a water buffalo. But yeah, it needs to be balanced. And one more note about the deino being pinned: in this case, we are talking about a deino who probably swam all the way from the ocean into a field before getting pinned. That should be fair. But for now, the pin is not based on weight threshold; it’s just based on stamina, so I hope they fix that. cause one omni should never be abled to pinn a fully grown stego teno deino., in my opinion.

[@Funghios]

The Hypsi meta shall rise again and kill the Omnis!

[@hypsilophodon5817]

I agree

[@GreedGibbon]

give every dinosaur a shield of landmines so when a omni tries to pounce both players will explode

[@hpjive]

Pouncing and bucking js need an overhaul xd it needs to be more in depth!! The whole system needs to be more than right clicking and holding E 💀

[@stevynn]

“hello my fellow americans”🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥💯💯💯🥶🥶🥶🗣️🔥🔥

[@primalboi96]

Omg wait… I just realized.. the devs don’t suck it’s the QA mufukas goin “omg yea thi-this is uh great little guy! *gag*”

[@kitkat5596]

There is no communication going on between the Devs nor the Devs to the QA/Admins, they've put sh*t back, taking sh*t away, only to turn around and put it back but only half ass right. I think I even remember one of the Devs saying that they didnt even know a mechanic was in the game for awhile themselves lol.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

oh my XD

[@alexs29]

"why does pachy when using its charge, a defensive ability, has two-times the recovery time as omni?" Because both the devs and the player base have a blatant carnivore bias, simple as that. - former pachy main here (and not one of those asshole ones that KOS'd everything in sight.)

[@mnblume.]

I tried playing pachy with the videos I've seen of it before the huge nerf and it's so sad what has become of it

[@roguetheoutlander8800]

1:57 oh, so even when Dondi isnt the main creator, he still have immense power over The Isle's concepts and gameplay? So thats why Rex is gonna be broken as f*ck again😒 now it makes sense

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

yeah pretty much

[@dtbrex08]

Rex isn’t even in the game yet so imo its stupid to go ahead and say it’ll be broken.

[@rwouwenaarrw]

​@@dtbrex08 sure but its gonna be broken.

[@roguetheoutlander8800]

@@dtbrex08 have you seen that video where it runs in forest and knock over trees? Just that it is so fast like in Legacy is enough prove for ke that its gonna be broken + all those ways it can deal every single animal in concept art

[@Blood_SC]

@@dtbrex08 Course itll be broken, it's weight class alone dwarfs everything else currently in game aside from Deinosuchus(Who of course still isn't at it's max size estimate)

[@Riptuh]

QA’s gotta be dondi himself 😭🙏

[@SmurphyMurph]

ong 😭

[@RiskRule]

even as someone who claims to be the "omni king" i think its absurd how strong it is but like said in the video its a hordetest and will more than likely be fixed

[@goldfishmentality]

Not to be that guy, but someone has to say it. Omniraptor wouldn't be this broken right now if a vocal minority of Omni mains would just shut tf up and get better at the game instead of whining about every minor issue they run into when playing with it

[@swifter018]

fr, ima omni main rn and there is barely any issues with the balancing. just a skill issue on other players tbh

[@kenshinhimura9387]

That's what happens when they ban almost everyone from their discord. They are only left with The Isle dickriders who boot lick the devs and make the game worse. They banned us good players because we criticized Evrima when it first launched. Now they just have a bunch of care bear kiddies who complain every time their dino dies. So the devs make the dinos super OP so these zero skill players have a chance at survival. All so they can just sit around northeast pond and mixpack/sing campfire songs and chat in global.

[@Rodolfien]

Bro they've kept nerfing raptor till last month when he got his backpunce, idk what u on about

[@dinohunter321]

@@Rodolfienactual brainrot take

[@Rodolfien]

@@dinohunter321 u really think omni got this cuz omni players cried? Bruh this shi got showcased along rex months ago

[@SebastianTuscano]

Bucking does do something, it drains all your stam

[@Lavander-n3h]

Hold E to waste stam

[@d.s.mokrys_art]

00:00 not american 👇

[@lectroeel6290]

Every substance known to mankind must be running through the QA team's system rn for them to think this is a good idea.

[@zadas1132]

We need on Orni rant about the new mechanic asap.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

if it goes to the live build like this then ill rant until its removed

[@acronym6837]

Grapple for sure needs to be tweaked. I understand it’s a new feature and it *will* have bugs upon release. But wow I’m genuinely surprised it’s this bad haha. Pretty sure grapple isn’t supposed to be as strong as it is, although who knows at this point. I just hope bucking gets a proper rework with thought put into it, instead of getting the update 6 treatment

[@ALunaticWithAShotgun]

I will never understand this push on making Omni stronger, like it is only 450kg, relatively small in comparison to the rest of the roster, yea it should beable to hunt bigger animalsin groups but the biggest thing a solo Omni should be hunting is a Galli and a Pachy should practically a death sentence to it in a 1v1. Omni is overall one of the easiest carnivores to survive as only surpassed by Herrera, Ptera and MAYBE Cera because Cera can eat rotten stuff and bones. The average Omni group shouldn't need or be able to hunt anything bigger than a Carno, because a Teno or a Carno should easily be big enough to feed 4-5 of them, but for this to happen the entire diet system needs to be changed.

[@spudnic5849]

The pounce thing is pretty freaking bad but luckily its only on horde test like you said. My issue is the stability of the hordetest. I've never seen it so bad. It sent my PC into a Kernel Power 41 shut down yesterday after a crash.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

its got my pc acting up

[@spudnic5849]

@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx Yeah, none horde test isn't too bad for me performance wise though. Now that I got a new PC is can easily run it with 40 plus dibbles on the screen lol. Before I'd lag with 5 of anything haha

[@Otter958]

i'm glad you mentioned pachy. the fact that ram punishes you with an absurd recovery time whether you land it or not is ridiculous. not to mention that both actually useful attacks use a good portion of stamina to use and the general clunkiness of ram and alt swing's hitboxes.

[@unapeppina4824]

Really hoping they tone back the pin mechanic, because it's just a hair bit ridiculous that an animal 4 times the weight of an omni takes only two to pin them.

[@modernmarrow1411]

All I can really say is I heavily agree, like what is up with this combat balance??

[@mrgharial]

How much do the devs hate pachy? It's the same exact story with the poor thing every time. Get revamped, be viable, get slammed into the ground three times over because it exists.

[@Rodolfien]

It's always u guys that play the most broken dinos that complain first lol

[@mnblume.]

​@@RodolfienThat's not an excuse to make a unique playable be absolutely worthless in every way possible

[@Rodolfien]

@@mnblume. pachy's worthless? One bone break and it can't either run or deal significant damage to defend himself agains anything, 2 pachies can take down a cera, and one single pachy can slaughter a whole pack if theres even 1 single steg or teno with him, idk how u guys don't see the herbi bias (in the main branch)

[@FatPigeon-6]

@@Rodolfienmixherding does not suggest pachy is “strong” pachy on its own gets dogged by everything and Cera shits on two pachys easily. Get better at the game if you’re dying to pachys.

[@Rodolfien]

@@FatPigeon-6 pachy too weak plz buff raptor too op plz nerf

[@Ocelot3765]

TurkishDlite also did a really good video on this subject recently, I do hope they listen to some of the feedback there and from the rest of the community to avoid this mechanic being either broken or nerfed to the point of being completely useless.

[@Verdinhox2]

The way I understand it, QA's job is to make sure things work, then they push it on to test with a broader audience (hordetest) to iron out the balance

[@diamondback7719]

They're really leaning on the critique of the community with this one 🤣

[@smefour]

Yeah, its a cool mechanic and make sense for some situations, but it really does need to be toned down a lot

[@MrSucho-vl7ih]

Let’s just hope grapple gets balanced and bucking gets its needed overhaul…

[@attichen4749]

With how much everyone has been saying the secret dinosaur is basically confirmed allosaurus and how resistant dondi has been about it I wouldn't put it past him to rush the development of something else just to make us look bad

[@just_connor]

Donald is that level of petty sometimes, to the detriment of his game and his team.

[@theoneandonlyZef]

donner cant let us be excited about playables without making us complain about a mechanic these days

[@ahumanoidtroodon1074]

Why was your Galli running around with the same frames as og Doom 😭😭

[@shahinarahaque2071]

There should be a meter or reaction thingy where if you press a certain button or key you'd hit the utah and have it stunted

[@Sandwch146]

Yeah. btw i met you in the isle playing utah once! love your content

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

aww thanks man i remember you.

[@gabeybabey678]

Crazy cause this ability is only good if you’re caught by yourself, but just say you get grappled and pinned by an Omni and you have other pack mates they can just come stomp the Omni ontop of you

[@karenboy1005]

Never call me an American again

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

I sowy

[@Blood_SC]

I think the mechanic is fine, but it needs balancing tweaks, and needs to at least make it where the amount of Omnis are similar to their targets weight.

[@narindercatt2230]

Why I prefer Beasts of Bermuda over The Isle: 1. Talent tree 2. These fricking shenanigans you described... Honestly, The Isle is the only game where I like community better than the game itself.

[@rappy_nur24]

The galli running in 5fps in the background 😭

[@Dynosaurus_rex]

Slightly off topic but I do think they have grapple out now so they can finalize it and release allo next hordetest with less bumps in the road. But it DEFINITELY needs a nerf

[@Ticklicous]

Honestly not even just making things easier for raptors, but Isle in general love to make it easier for practically every carnivore despite their claims of "realism" which would mean most of the time, hunts would actually fail for carnivores in real life. Yet Isle wants to stroke off the carni diehards every time they complain and cry that an herbi is too powerful or something.

[@orinaoz8686]

FINALLY THE STAM PROBLEMS ARE SPOKEN OF

[@drterraminator2651]

What is the song in the background?

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

yeat out the way and cryoshell creeping in my soul(the second one)

[@SpaceFungi]

Compare this hordetest to the one last year after adding 4 new playables it’s crazy how much more buggy everything is compared to that.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

i didnt even think about that,this one is way more laggy,i imagine its gateway

[@avorall]

last years hordetest wasnt even playable it was constant 250+ ping

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

I love this video it's so well done and I can't wait to the next time

[@The_one_with_many_names]

What prog are you you using to capture gameplay? The OBS works just fine for me

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

Obs

[@The_one_with_many_names]

@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx Huh very strange. Do you have any custom settings for it?

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

@@The_one_with_many_names im not sure,probs not

[@LewiBereket]

Can I be honest, I feel like adding the pin down mechanic to the raptors sound unique but kind of weird. Considering the fact that t rex and allosaurus are kind of having this but different. T rex uses its powerful bite force to crush most dinosaurs in its mouth, allosaurus uses its dangerous speed to ambush and knock them down and uses its strong arms and sharp claws to scratch and hold down a small dino and maybe crushing its wind pipe or bleeding it out with its knife like teeth and omniraptor has the potential to claw and bleed a whole freaking stegosaurus while pinning it down if enough of them are pounced. See what I'm showing you here? The three carnivores all have their own way of pinning down their prey but giving a pin down mechanic to three dinosaurs just seems a bit wrong because not only will it just make allosaurus less special but also make the pin down mechanic just more common and kind of boring . (I say allosaurus because it's hunting method in paleontology was a pin down method and is known for this hunting style). I feel like allosaurus should be the only one with the pin down mechanic, its accurate to the real animal and just makes allosaurus more fun to play as so it can differ more in combat and hunting styles. Giving omniraptor the pin down mechanic is just overkill since its bleed damage rn, from what I heard, is pretty OP. Apparently 2 pounces cause major bleed in this game which is already strong enough as it is. It might take about 6 omni's to pounce and hold down a fully grown stage, if the devs are gonna give this to omni then at least make the bleed less OP than it already is or if the hod down isn't added then just make it pounce only and only nerf the bleed just a little bit. I barely have anything to say about t rex other than being a power house when pinning things down. In its concept art its shown to ragdoll smaller dinosaurs and can headbutt apex's which is cool. That's pretty much all it needs, instead of it pinning down and crushing its prey it can just shake it like a ragdoll or just drag it around while crushing it in it's mouth. If the prey is similar in size to a para for example then it could possibly pin it down. Anyways cool video, as usual I'm looking forward to more of your posts and videos. keep it up!

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

Thank you for your kind words. It’s stated that allos grapple is similar programming wise to the omni pin. So they’re doing it now so it’s easier to work on allos and probably rexs to. So I guess long term it’s better.

[@LewiBereket]

@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx All then I ain't gonna complain. Good thing they are working on it now since t rex is coming out sooner than we thought. And allo will be the final product for it, I can hardly wait for it, its gonna be awesome

[@delly_4755]

Gali is light than Omni it has always been pined by it

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

It used to be heavier.

[@delly_4755]

@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx no, since 6.5 when it was added it was 410kg and Omni is 450kg

[@misterionorman9764]

@@Orni-Mega-Lonyxit always got pinned wdym

[@kenshinhimura9387]

The only people left in The Isle discord who haven't been permanently banned are the care bears. These are the players who in legacy would sit around twins and chat in global all day long. They would freak out if anyone hunted them and they would cry to the devs about it. These same players are now sitting around the northeast pond in Evrima doing the same thing. A giant mixpack of care bears who sit around chatting in global. If you dare to hunt any of them, they will all attack and kill you. All 15 of them. These are the players that the devs are taking their balance decisions from. The players with zero combat skills who only want to sit around, never be hunted by anyone and just chat in global all day. This is why the game balance is so bad.

[@Bleghspread]

Legacy care bears? In evrima? They play legacy and shittalk about evrima, lol. They sit in NE? Where? This place is not hotspot anymore, was when there was a spawn zone and it was slaughter house, not a chat club. Played there back then and this is absolute nonsense statement. Giant mixpack chatting in global.. What global? Where? :D If you dare to hunt a herd or a group of players, yes, they wont just stand there starring at you. :D These are the players devs take their balance decision from? How do you even know? How can you support this claim?

[@diamondback7719]

@@Bleghspread Is coastal river the hotspot now in hordetest?

[@Bleghspread]

@@diamondback7719 From what I have seen so far, good chunk of players rotates between south, west rail and highlands. Coastal sanctuary is like in between of these locations.

[@aydemsadventure3752]

Very nice Gallimimus skin.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

banana skin

[@skiboys4540]

Dumb as hell Balances, only the Isle can pull this crap off

[@Carnotaurus_101]

Oh wait that’s the galli drip you showed me!!!

[@焦油]

into the spiderverse ahh galli

[@GLeviathan]

Utahs have never been more threatening, and diablos have the best movement in the game. Gateway will become a warzone the likes of which have not been seen since V4 when Camara got attacks.

[@GLeviathan]

shout out to all of my pre-gigapocalypse vets. You as well as I do that this game is dead in the water and still follow it just for the "lolcowness" of it all.

[@dtbrex08]

3:01 uh probably a bug, or not in yet idk??

[@9_tailed_Dryo]

its been released now because allo is the next dino

[@raccon1007]

what are your specs?

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

I couldn’t tell you tbh. All I remember is I have an I7

[@youcefgaming4423]

why my fps is so F'ed or just me . i play 5-12 fps in the hordtest

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

5fps?? That’s unplayable

[@j3lmer33]

isnt it just that dondi is a terrible game developer and just does what he wants without a care for the game and community? thats the feeling im getting over the years.

[@JDINK]

This game has become… somthing else

[@LeopardKoma]

great video

[@Lavandula_cat_girlGaming]

hiiii i love your videos

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

hey you're a gem for that💎

[@donovanreed8372]

2:42 what do you mean by that 🤔

[@LavacasterPare]

Nice new vid :)

[@AgentMercer]

So glad i quit and moved to Path of Titans instead. I also think quadrupedal playables like diablo and deino should be much more resistant to this horrible pin mechanic than bipeds like carno or cerato. Raptors are Dondi’s fetish animal in this game and that much is clear, I can only imagine rex will be just as bad if not worse with busted mechanics

[@bartekdraszawk4315]

when you look at the ground you get more fps

[@Darth_Critikal]

How tf do people enjoy the Isle?😂 literally 15 fps on PC master race technology…

[@hpjive]

I mean I get 50 fps on my toaster of a pc so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Darth_Critikal]

@@hpjive how is that acceptable gaming in 2024? 😂 you as the customer deserves better from The Isle…

[@theoneandonlyZef]

its actually surprisingly addictive my toxic relationship with the isle has lasted many years despite its failures

[@hpjive]

@@Darth_Critikal I mean it kinda is? The isle is at least somewhat optimized and the fact it isn’t 100+ gbs worth of storage is MORE than expectable for gaming in 2024 xd Edit: I’m not defending the isle but I’m still giving them props we’re it’s due 🤷‍♀️

[@АнастасияВаракина-е9с]

If they push it to live branch we should just stop playing with omnis or play only omnis. Deny those brain dead players all the fun. Let them cook each other.

[@Aus_728]

i dont get how you can play at 15 fps. time for some pc upgrades

[@mathewm1418]

Agreed!

[@Bleghspread]

Ok. So my point of view.. First of all, I do not care that much what is happening on HT builds, they truly are just an alpha testing grounds for us. They are expected to be wild, glitchy, overtuned and atrocious. That is nothing new and definitely not something this community is not used to. I think. Why on Earth would that lead to the same talks about devs/dev/Ceo guy/whatever wanting this game together with the community to suffer, hate the game and kill the game etc.. is beyond me but I guess it is just a rule of thumb at this point. Needless to say, feedback was made, devs themselves even stated that the current iteration of grapple is not very functional, it is a freaking horde test after all. Which goes in line with active updating of the branch during the testing phase. Players really do expect that HT is just a sneak peek for them and right after they play a few hours in it, live build is going to be updated? Why even? Why all of this again? :D Mutations are also broken. Lot of stuff is. It is in development. People are now creating conspirations on how the QA team wants them dead or something fr. Just chill and enjoy the shenanigans, there will be more to come.

[@diamondback7719]

You got a point, but it's good the community is voicing their critiques anyway even if it comes off as jumping the gun a bit. The devs might not admit it but I reckon they put more value in the discussion videos for balancing tweaks than they do their own qa team. The QA team is just a first-pass in terms of balancing decisions.

[@Dogemoth]

Heck yeah another orni video

[@grendel8342]

I will tell you now, the devs are not devs. They are first class bullshit sellsmen

[@owenduck]

wasnt pachy ment to be the raptor counter? dude pachies have been nothing but certain death for omni lol. 1 hit, broken leg, and then your done for. if u dont see the pachy firtst your insta dead. ive seen a few pachies anihilate whole packs of omnis.

[@rezo7110]

I see those 15 fps :)

[@profilenotfound2525]

The game even before this had so many broken issues why are u just realizing now ? Fact is it is the entire team and they have not the slightest idea of what theyre doing

[@maestri1]

Yo

[@africananimalogist4190]

No offense, but calling the game “a slide show” when your frames are literally averaging 14 fps is a personal problem. No hate but most people with a decent pc average 70-80 fps.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

I called it a slide show because it looked like One in that moment. It never usually Performs like That when I play.

[@Carnotaurus_101]

Hello how are you orni ???

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

After how my galli got one tapped,NOT well

[@Carnotaurus_101]

XD

[@Gamartt]

I am not american😢

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

Sorry😞

[@vwinstanley]

fps is so dookie augh

[@Some1-2]

Im not american

[@derpyou8679]

Yeah I seen a 8 ton dieno get pinned by 3 omnis lol

[@kickazz3638]

Okay, so pounce to pin is really easy, but I do agree with pinning Deinos easily as IRL it's an issue alligators and crocodiles face from big to medium cats (only comparison I can make to raptor in modern times is cats honestly... well, other than birds, but I don't think a bird is a fair comparison) and it gives deinos something to fear beyond the big slow stego or the other deinos.

[@diamondback7719]

jaguars don't neutralize caimans through pinning alone, they bite the back of its neck to paralyze them. And to get through that armour they need strong biteforce. It doesn't make sense to me that omniraptors would be able to overpower a deino, even in a group. unless of course the deinosuchus was pretty young. If anything, cerato should be the kind of dinosaur to have a mutation where it allows it to use its strong biteforce to paralyze a deino. (And not a full grown one, at that.)

[@kickazz3638]

Have you tried recording with Medal? I don't know if it would help, but it might.

[@Orni-Mega-Lonyx]

I have not. I may try

[@leejamesretief3971]

Guys... its called a WIP, its no where near the final product, probably given to us at max to test the crap out of it, which will mean that it will get better! Quite possibly testing it now for anticipation for Allo? Also, its in the hoard test for christ sakes, its not meant to work properly, stop complaining and just play, just a thought

[@LordVelaeryyn]

Don't shill the game thats been in development hell for over 9 years. The point of a test is to test it quickly with a vast amount of people, its the QA's job to get an ability or update to a playable or "Fair" enough state for the players to then test. There is literally no excuse to have this shit happen, you can't even gain data from something like this, the point of a test? Having characters get basically one shot or be unable to move or fight is basically testing a rock to see if it moves while you've trapped it in a vice. Just stop.

[@diamondback7719]

I agree with you, to an extent. QA team should still iron it out themselves more before putting it out to the public. What's the point of them otherwise?