I’m investing in Unlimited Flesh and Blood Product and here is why.

[@carsonweekly]

Rudy also said he doesn’t think Unlimited is investible but never said why. I guess it will always have to compete with 1st edition, but if that’s the only stipulation than that seems foolish. It’s the same as saying Revised isn’t investible. I think the print run will only be 3 years, but maybe 5. They’d have ~13 more sets out in that time, if they continue their same pattern. That would be a lot to keep printing. Once it’s done though I think the price will go up. People will want Heart of Fyendals, but Alpha will be too expensive for most people, and that will shift unlimited demand.

[@portalmasterry6765]

It's all about timing and how long the game will last. If this game makes it another 2 years then you'd be missing out if you did not invest. Even if you invest in a few boxes the risk is relatively low. $100 for a box is nothing compared to current collectible prices. If you check market trends, established collectibles and their so-called unlimited and revised editions that are after the alpha or 1st edition sets are selling for a pretty price. The potential for this game is looking extreme. Once we get back to normal, you either missed on the train or you dodged a bullet. Even if game fails or stutters, it looks like people will potentially play with the game.

[@youssefyounis9111]

@Steven Delaney Everything is "Investible" but you need to consider it in terms of the Whales and Positions people like Rudy want to maintain. Unlimited will never hold similar returns even in percentages compared to 1st Edition, so why would they want to invest into Unlimited Boxes when 1st Edition is still somewhat available on the market. What Unlimited offers especially down the years if they do reprint and there is difference between print quality, is a cheaper alternative to those who cannot drop the $3k or $10k currently for Boxes of ARC and WTR. Will Cases hit the $50k mark on UNL in 10-20 years no, but cases could jump from the $4-500 we are spending now to about $4-5k or even $8-10k down the line if the game truly pans out the way everyone has Speculated it to do. Print Runs never last more than 2-3 years and most run like 18-24 months at best pending on how many sets are released.

[@ZkingofZcastle]

I’ve been wanting to get into collecting again so I’ve been collecting unlimited and enjoy the art, game and lore. Magic is intimidating for someone new and other tcgs like Pokémon are over saturated with popularity and product. Flesh and blood sits perfectly in the middle, I’m loving it. Its ok with me if all I’m missing out are the cold foils. If unlimited doesn’t go up and just holds, I’m fine with that. There is still a lot of value in unlimited and I’m enjoying the ride so far.

[@BenTradingCards]

Rarity is what moves the price of Alpha. I think the percentage between the two will go down once print runs of UL increase and monarch sets released. It’s good to revisit this video 6 months later to confirm.

[@tarikdurmic6473]

6 months later: what's your opinion on Alpha and UL Boxes now?

[@rata_yonqui]

what about thow years after. how much was the price back then? I just payed 109 bucks today

[@whooptumwizard2389]

I don't believe WTR Unlimited will be printed more than a few years, I think it would be crazy difficult to be printing unlimited versions of WTR, ARC, MON, CRU(possible) and Kingdoms plus all the other sets to follow all at once. Just a guess, so I think you do have a case to be made that these are undervalued. The concern I would have is if they reprint these staple cards in another set, not sure how often this will happen but definitely is another factor to consider. Awesome video, always love your content!

[@ClarenceSF4]

Truely a wizard, you guessed it.

[@puddleduck745]

I don't think comparing the foil unl majestics to their alpha counterparts serves much use.

[@tysnow9524]

This is why I have 2 cases of both arcane and welcome to rathe and before people jump on calling me an idiot my bread and butter is in cru boxs monarch has alot higher print run but it's the next core set. Look at the back of the cards they tell a story and monarch is in that origin story. From an investment stand point is the unlimited rathe now has a card removed from print so that has made the sets worth a little more

[@shotofn887]

This video aged into fine milk. This would have been great if they didn't make the printers go brrrrrrrrrr

[@hillbillyartscrafts4367]

well think about how much unlimited base set Pokemon cards were printed and look at the booster box prices today

[@PokeAus]

Yes I agree with your comment let’s hope FAB continues to grow in the future and become a huge TCG like Pokémon only way unlimted boxes will go up with more players/collectors

[@su-chi5081]

@@ogHustlz possible or not. It's not apieling to everyone. Strange is see a big potential in sears for fab tahts why u can invest now. Trust me not even 5% of the investors now will hold in 10 years.

[@ItsMeEbby]

I already have my 1st edition stuff and some unlimited set aside. You never know when you'll need a box later. If it doesn't hold value in a few years, use them for draft or bust some packs if i'm bored.

[@selfactualizer2099]

cold foils are always gonna be more valuable.

[@TheRickymak]

There still seems to be unlimited boxes in the market

[@MTGUnpacked]

This video is going to make for interesting re-viewing this time next year!

[@cyrilpit3505]

Definitely. And in 5 years from now when unlimited will be out of print and then be.... Iimited😳

[@zacharyzuniga1599]

Or now teehee

[@TK_GX]

you want a reason to invest in Unlimited Welcome to Rathe before its higher priced or potentially gone in a few months? Heart of Fyendal Unlimited. There is your reason.

[@zst0rme700]

I think your math makes sense. Rudy has shown and used this level of percentage evaluation multiple times on his channel and it is never a bad place to start with TCG collectibles. My one counter point to this would be we don’t have long-term history data at this time showing how aggressively they will print Unlimited AND how aggressively they will reprint staples in future sets OR what they power scaling in this game will look like with future sets. For me, that seems like a lot of variables to bet on, so I’m currently keeping my Unlimited investments small.

[@thaldenhero7715]

The prices u showed r 4 the foils?

[@KitchenTableTCG]

Yes sir.

[@chestercheetah3475]

I’ve had the same thoughts...the only missing piece is how much will they print?

[@raptervernados9630]

no views after 8 hours up lol guess no one is up around 2am usually.

[@KitchenTableTCG]

It’s not published yet :) just sent it out to the $15 tier patrons in lieu of my podcast this week lol. It’s link only ha

[@neil_ryan]

I think prices will fluctuate, especially as FaB gains players and product is not readily available. I think, in a few years when product stays on the shelf and people move on and sell their collections, prices will drop again. When stores start buy-listing FaB, I think we'll have a better idea where prices will land.

[@greglott4977]

I don’t know for sure, but I think you have it backwards. Alpha WtR is the premiere set, and more people missed it, by definition, than any other set. The 2 non-CF cards in the set ARE Tome and ES... so I think those prices are driven by whales trying to get these cards. Alpha WtR is more dried up than Arc. Since unlimited is basically print to demand, you can’t compare Unl percentages to Alpha like this.

[@clarkjansen2048]

I think they printed more estrikes and tomes than the others.

[@burnance]

Once the printing stops for unlimited, the numbers will increase by two or three fold. I guarantee you. We've seen this with Pokémon Base Set and Magic the Gathering Unlimited. The factor everyone needs to pay attention to is how many sealed boxes will there be once the market gets to that point. There are so many people keep these things sealed. Even if Flesh and Blood is a top #4 or #5 contender, the maximum value will never hit its pinnacle if literal warehouses of the boxes are still sitting sealed. What makes the unlimited boxes of all the other card games so valuable, is no one knew cards would become as expensive as they are now. So everyone opened everything up back in the day, and played with the cards. I think Flesh and Blood is going to be interesting though. People are applying knowledge we've gained over the last 20 years of TCGs to sealed products of a new game. It's possible we could see market swings we've never thought imaginable because of it

[@portalmasterry6765]

Based on my research, even the box losing value from $100 to $70 is not bad. Considering the prices of collectibles and the prices of sealed product, FAB welcome to rathe boxes are super affordable.

[@burnance]

@@portalmasterry6765 I hope it does, so more can be opened. Once there are enough openings and the market realizes that sealed box numbers are dwindling, unlimited boxes for sure could be worth a couple hundred at first. Maybe even up to $1000 after a little bit of time, depending on how successful Flesh and Blood is and how hot the market at the time will be. There's absolutely no reason why a sealed box couldn't be worth 1/4th of the alpha box at market value. Could take some time, but as long as the game continues to grow, I honestly think Flesh and Blood could be a serious contender up with Pokémon, Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh. I can't even express enough how much I want that to happen. Not just for the secondary market, but because the TCG space needs something new, exciting, and stable. Competition is good for everyone, no matter if people playing the other card games want to admit it or not

[@alecm9936]

It would be nice to have a super heavily printed edition, like unlimited but even less limited lol. That way people can have cool looking cards that look basically the same as thousand dollar plus cards but still play with them and enjoy them.

[@portalmasterry6765]

@@alecm9936 I think the formula they have with the cold foils is great! It's too bad they won't go with the 1st edition stamp on the cards since this was key to the pokemon TCG's success as being a true and valuable collectible. Not saying the unlimited ones were not collectible but it added the extra sauce to all the cards with the 1st print stamp.

[@alecm9936]

@@portalmasterry6765 Yeah I agree. There’s barely any difference at all, especially with the new way on the crucible of war cards. I would be much more tempted to buy 1st edition stuff if they had a nice stamp lol

[@spyder2238]

It's going to be interesting to see what happens especially after Mon UNL. I feel like that's going to determine the true prices of these

[@Barf_FaB]

Hey Louie! I think that there is nearly nothing to lose by picking up those cards. I think what you have identified is the fact that Aphla WTR carry a special premium that ARC 1st Ed doesnt carry. This is why CnC is 10% and e strike is 3%. Warning ⚠️ this is only an opinion ⚠️ -Barf

[@DragonBud2490]

Regarding not being able to play with a sealed box (excluding drafting) vs being able to play with the singles, you only need 2-3 singles to be able to play. So when it comes to investing in more singles than one actually needs in order to play, isn’t that the same type of value as keeping a sealed box? Someone can’t play with 4, or 5, or 10 E-strikes. They can only play with 1, 2 or 3. So idk. I think the price variance between Alpha and UNL is correct and good. I mean who wants UNL to be more expensive? That’d defeat the point of its purpose to provide an affordable opportunity for players to play the game. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point. Thanks for sharing Louie

[@KitchenTableTCG]

See I’m the type of guy that doesn’t like sharing cards in decks. So if I have 2 decks with 2 Estrikes, well now I need 4 foil Estrikes. Just me though. My point here is that these particular cards are undervalued compared to the other majestics percentage of alpha. I’d love for unlimited to be cheaper. But that doesn’t mean certain things will not be under or over valued.

[@DragonBud2490]

@@KitchenTableTCG for sure man! If I could afford to have enough copies of generics for all decks I'd do the same!

[@davidmaynard8876]

Unlimited will hold the standard for all pricing. And it wont be printed forever.. They will gain in value as sealed product. It will be real.

[@portalmasterry6765]

I have no position in FAB as I wait for someone to sell me some decks to try it out! LOL I am looking to invest maybe 10-30 boxes on unlimited WTR. I come from Pokemon and $100 unlimited boxes are cheap considering the current prices for modern sealed boxes. I would like to add that the key to this game's success is getting a graded card community going. This helped fuel the craze with Pokemon and FAB has a component that makes collecting it worthwhile.

[@shipleypestsolutions]

I like the comparison to Alpha. I believe the alpha printing to be the more mature market AND investor/player base, therefore a more appropriate pricing. I think you’re correct to think UNL pricing should roughly be around 10% and I could see an argument for UNL to be somewhere between 10-20% of Alpha as playability and requirement for the playable cards takes off. I agree with your gut Louis.

[@chad0x]

E strike UNL foil sells for around $200 in the real world.

[@KitchenTableTCG]

It’s been 300 days since this video was posted 😂

[@VeganCATS1]

Sealed boxes are great to keep around for sealed decks and draft tournaments.

[@itsazombiethingsgaming1107]

Here is my opinion as a MTG player entering the FAB arena. I will be buying unlimited boxes, I will crack a few of each to play but I will be buying a few more of each as long term investments. If you play or understand Magic, the more they open and 5 years roll by, will 1000 of WTR Unlimited be widely available or 10 years from now. I think the way this product is being opened, I see it more valuable sealed later down the road. Just my opinion, but if your a collector/investor what's to hurt if you hold onto a $80 unlimited box of WTR right now, will you be excited to see it at $500 5 years from now? I think it's easy to see the long term potential with the box cracking going on right now. Just one man's opinion

[@TradingCard69]

People move onto the next best thing to collect when they can’t get 1st Edition which is unlimited. Look at Pokémon and yugioh. Perfect examples

[@bradm6287]

Except Pokemon and Yugioh are actual IP's with an enormous following. Flesh and Blood is just some speculation FOMO product that nobody plays.

[@jerkygastropub7845]

terrible comparison

[@ValariaxSword]

@@bradm6287, yes but at some point those companies were just barely starting out too. Buying into them at the beginning would have been considered speculative as well.

[@bradm6287]

@@ValariaxSwordThe different being people didn't "buy into them". The fanbase was built organically. Nobody was speccing on those games.

[@dspill1090]

@@ValariaxSword no one was holding 1st edition base, legend of blue eyes first edition or magic alpha boxes like people are holding 1st Ed f&b and metazoo boxes today.. the prices of these new tcgs 1st Ed boxes have such inflated prices within a few short years than the original big 3 took well over a decade to achieve four figure sums so it’s safe to say the high prices of these modern new tcg boxes is nothing but speculation by people believing metazoo will return the same as Pokemon first ed base and welcome to rathe will command alpha prices in 20 years.. which shows lack of organic growth and if something doesn’t organically grow it is not sustainable for consistent growth over decades

[@devinmychan9262]

I'm not ruling out anything. This whole thing is one giant case study inside of a movie between the increase in collecting, partially due to the rona, rona itself, and the quality of the game. As long as alpha and 1ed stays high, anything blank % under that in unlimited will be let's say "day traded" if not short term invested incorrelation with how much demand the game itself builds. In my opinion.

[@evansteele86]

uh oh, "Louie Rudy" moving the market. hahaha, obviously joking. That said, Sooner or later, you're gonna be getting those Timmy comments all the time.

[@zachroach5452]

I think you’re on to something. Foil e-strike in particular seems low.

[@sarahx9310]

For a unlimited display u pay 70€ and for a alpha Display 400€. I would prefer the alpha. But by the way. What does the game so nice? Why Do you think that this game will also exiwt in 10 years. My magic cards from 1994-1995 and my pokemon cards of 1999-2000 have a Real value meanwhile. But I also lost a alot of money for example for young jedi cards or Star trek cards. Im looking for a New investment. Does anybody know other good collectable items about a big franchise. You dont have to forget magic Was the first playable trading card game of wizard. And pokemon and yugijoh have a big franchise around the game. Especialy cause of the TV Series. Cause of this the card games last more then 20 years. But Star wars and Star trek are also big frnachises. But the cards are now worthless

[@fififinance7469]

Thanks for uploading 👍

[@badwhisk3y]

Just pulled my second Heart of Fyendal and I wanna trade for a Eye of Ophidea. If anyone is interested please lmk

[@bivito5034]

lol you definitely changed your tune in 40 days

[@KitchenTableTCG]

In my defense I was HEAVILY talking about sealed boxes. But also - yeah I’m scared based on the print run. For the sake of the game and new players I truly hope I’m wrong and plenty more is printed. Also that doesn’t mean Estrike isn’t undervalued compared to other cards :)

[@endtimestcg5146]

Thank you for this Video! A real cool eyeopener!

[@MrEscobar.]

talking about flesh and blood with your bloody finger !

[@PaulissVegan]

From an Investor's Perspective: Where should I start when I don't have a single FaB Card? Enlightened Strike? 😆

[@tonybarbieri2597]

Now days everyone knows they should keep the cards in good condition but in the past they did not. That's why the price of these cards may actually go down in the future. Also covid brought back old people into cards again. They have money. When covid passes I fear all cards are worth less. Also think about nft. The market will go to nft at some point

[@adrianlearns]

oof

[@danielquintanilla643]

Whats A o W ???

[@DeepDiveJJ]

This really hasn’t aged well now…

[@KitchenTableTCG]

Shhhhhhh

[@Satisfyingtoday]

Grasping at straws of the Arknight

[@EatWasteland]

I think Alpha is overpriced. Unlimited won't be unlimited.

[@AChunkyOtter]

This has aged well....

[@KitchenTableTCG]

Just wait till after this week….

[@jordanharrison6975]

This hasn’t aged well so far

[@KitchenTableTCG]

Lmao yeah. These cards are still around the price point tho!

[@zacharyzuniga1599]

Aged little better now in that likely OOP will be sooner than later.

[@bradm6287]

Look at all the clowns in the comment section who think they are on a rocket to the moon. Nobody plays this game. Older MTG sets are only worth money because tens of millions of people play it. The simple fact that they may print the "unlimited" version indefinitely makes this shit worthless.

[@bradm6287]

@Reign Lionheart As the Flesh and Blood subreddit has 9k people.

[@bradm6287]

@@rmb4630 9k people on reddit is everything. They can pay a trillion dollars in prize support, that has nothing to do with how popular the game is. It is just marketing money. It is just a bunch of speculators washed with NM graded copies of everything, and a tiny ass player base.

[@bradm6287]

@@rmb4630 So what you are saying there is a large conservative majority that plays FaB but they refuse to participate in one of the only and main places of discussion for FaB due to "censorship". Even though why would anybody censor anything in regards to FaB. Since we can just make up whatever we want to substantiate our arguments, let's just stick to the social platform which is used the most to discuss these kind of hobbies, you know, metrics. Reddit, 9k people.