I'm worried about Netflix's new Avatar: the Last Airbender

[@Dragonkid1801]

It's weird to take out flaws that are directly criticized. That's like ignoring that a character is self-centered, when the whole point is that they learned not to be self-centered

[@liljenborg2517]

Exactly. What's more effective at teaching the young people who watch a show like Avatar that sexism is stupid: avoid any sexism in the show at all, or showing a sexist character realize his sexism is stupid and CHANGING his attitude? Is your goal to TEACH that sexism is a bad thing or that simply ACTING like it doesn't exist will make people not be sexist?

[@dbsmgmt5354]

@@liljenborg2517 Stellar response

[@robinsordahl8947]

I hope they don’t try to remove any more somewhat problematic content just for the sake of not offending the audience or not making the audience to never want to see the characters again. This is the 2022 remake of Disney’s Pinocchio all over again!

[@Savage.-_.Gamer1]

Glad they're not completely removing his or the Water Tribe's sexism

[@SpaceTalon]

@@liljenborg2517 In general, Sokka's sexism is blown out of proportion. It's not like when the Fire Nation attacked all the grown women in his tribe, led by his grandma, rallied to fight side by side with Sokka against the invaders, and that somehow triggered his insecurity. His "yeah right" attitude to Katara's claims that women could be warriors too is well grounded in his lived experience. Where Sokka's sexism actually rears its head is in his disrespect towards the female side of responsibilities, which were crucial to the survival of his tribe. Which makes him come off as particularly stupid, since Katara is fixing his clothes as he says it. What the story misses is a male role model Katara would look up to. And with some changes, Pakku could be just that - but somehow I doubt they will go that way with her character.

[@EquesTron]

It’s amazing how fast I went from “This looks really good” to “I’m concerned” shortly after the trailer came out.

[@armi999]

Well they were making the right noises about the casting. I've gone from wary when announced, to concerned when the original creators left, to slightly positive from the casting and other things we saw, back to concerned from the most recent comments.

[@paintbrush3554]

Never looked good. Avatar never needed to be remade in live action. No fans were asking for it. The entire landscape of animation to live action remakes have never made a better product thanvthe original in this era thus far. Its about time people stop getting hype and just start ignoring these cash grab lazy nostalgic products otherwise they're never stop if people never learn.

[@blackkitty369]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Those "flaws" they want to remove is how the characters grew and why we love them. And I'm so sick of the "Cartoons are for kids." line.

[@Raximus3000]

They sound like edgy teens who have no depth beyond gore and nudity, though in this case it is just gore.

[@madmouse4400]

One thing they could actually have fixed was the Kyoshi warriors . They're a fighting force entirely made up only of women in a normal society and no men is ever seen near any weapon, they even hide in case of an attack . Kyoshi warriors , the people who defende the island is an all girls club where men aren't allowed , Suki even said to sokkka: "We don't train outsiders, let alone boys." The only reason she accepted was because he was traveling with the Avatar and because Sokka asked to make an exception that one time . This episode isn't fundamentally against sexism , it's just in favor of a sexism directed against Sokka , Sokka POV , that only one sex should go to war and the other do something else isn't proven wrong , he just happened to be at the receiving end of the stick. Which for me isn't a good way to teach a lesson, a good lesson must have the same (educational) value no matter who play the roles , no matter who learns it and who tries to teach it . If Master Pakku accepted to teach Katara as the only girl because she traveles with the Avatar ,the show wouldn't probably depict him in a good light.

[@Cationna]

The line is especially ironic when they, the Oh So Grown Adults, are missing the nuance of the characters, the major plotlines of the character growth, and narrative artistry of the "kid's cartoon" they're "making For Adults, so Better".

[@kingacrisius]

​@@madmouse4400 The kyoshi warriors are supposed to be a foil to sokka's ideas that men are the fighters. It's not trying to imply that women are the fighters, it's using the most extreme and obvious counterexample possible to force him to realize he was wrong. This is partly due to it being a kid show, kids probably wouldn't understand as clearly if it was a mixed fighting force. I think changing the kyoshi warriors to being a mixed fighting force isn't a bad idea, but the leader should still be a woman, to show clearly that men aren't better at fighting.

[@someguyontheinternet2399]

With how "current year" so many shows are I suspect Katara is going to be far more preachy now.

[@matityaloran9157]

And that’s saying something

[@Raximus3000]

She is not going to be preachy, just beachy.

[@AL-ws5yi]

The original Avatar was a classic. My daughter, son, and I all use to watch this show together. It was my daughter’s favorite show and we use play pretend afterwards. She was always a water bender, I was earth and my son is fire. Hubby ended up being wind. Trying to make a live action version is stupid especially when it sounds like they are not going to be faithful to the characters.

[@animezilla4486]

I disagree 100% it's still too early to judge the show besides one piece Netflix wasn't exactly 100% adaptation of the anime and mother they made some changes in the Live action series as well and it turned out fine

[@cherami-nox-fleuret]

Its the fact that the director said "this is a remix, not a cover" like thats smth to be proud of?? who wants to hear that abt a live action remake of smth???

[@Savage.-_.Gamer1]

Still needs to be something unique to the table, if you want to make something live-action. There's no reason to do an exact 1-1 because there's nothing to differentiate the two- no reason for that adaptation to exist.

[@Cationna]

​@@Savage.-_.Gamer1I disagree. The translation from one medium to another is the added quality. There's enough work involved in doing this right, too - you absolutely do have to adjust things that are impossible to convey through live action but worked in animation, and you could expand some things that wouldn't have worked in animation. But you could be telling the same story in a different way - not changing the story because it's not good enough for our enlightened times. Alternatively, if you really want to do just a variation, you can take the basic outline of the story and tell it with completely new beats, like they sometimes would in Old Hollywood to great success. Basically do a retelling, if you want the story to fit your own agenda, instead of calling it an adaptation. Does any adaptation really need to exist? No. The way you justify its existence is by making it good.

[@rodster811]

Especially with something that is already done very well.

[@Savage.-_.Gamer1]

@@Cationna Makes sense, but they're not changing the characters to the point of rewriting them. Like, Aang is still the cheerful kid we saw in animation with the most recent clip on "X"(Twitter). There's still gonna be sexism, it's not entirely erased. It may be implicit, or not said explicitly, but there are other means of expressing that bias. I have hope in this adaptation at least. I think it _may_ be as good as the one for One Piece.

[@greenliongirl07]

I loved the og animated series, but as soon as I heard the creators left this project I lost hope for it. Sometimes it's better to just leavve it be.

[@animezilla4486]

That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be bad

[@The_UltimateL1feform]

⁠@@animezilla4486with all the unnecessary character changes that’s happening and them adding got elements in the story it’s gonna be pretty bad tbh

[@greenliongirl07]

@@animezilla4486 Yeah, but generally it's not a good sign. Very few times when that's happened has the final product been good. It's often Medicore at best and idiotic at worse.

[@corvidaegudmund1186]

And this is why I’m dreading the Chronicles of Narnia series by Netflix. It’s like the writers can’t keep their hands off an original storyline. They almost *have* to add their own spin, even if it doesn’t make sense in context.

[@AlecEburhard]

Oh no, they have Narnia?! Here’s comes the reinterpretation of Aslan being deconstructed as a flawed and foolish ruler and the Witch Queen being a tragic, misunderstood victim of circumstance.

[@papermr.magolorguy7957]

@@AlecEburhardIt makes a feel really sad. Narnia was so beautiful because it was sincere with its themes of good vs evil and the desire to keep your childhood imagination intact. Netflix is more interested in making every single fantasy IP dark and edgy and I’m so tired of it. Who agrees?

[@AnimaVox_]

Rumor has it Greta Gerwig is involved in that, so you should be worried.

[@corvidaegudmund1186]

@@AlecEburhard Yeah, I’m especially dreading what they might do with Aslan. I adored him in the books, and his character is the exact opposite of at least half of the tropes that writers are currently in love with. A character who is truly the Good King (or Royal in general for that matter) is so extremely rare these days. There is no way that Netflix understands why so many adore Aslan.

[@corvidaegudmund1186]

@@papermr.magolorguy7957 I think the obsession with Dark and Edgy needed to go away ages ago. It may have once been unique, but now the tropes are a dime a dozen (and frequently poorly executed at that!). I wish people would understand that a classic Good triumphing over Evil need not be boring or flat. Like any other story trope, it’s all in how the writers use it. It’s almost like some writers have trouble even imagining truly good heroes. So much of their writing has characters behaving in illogically toxic ways, even ones that we are supposed to like.

[@TheLunarLegend]

'It was made for kids' I hate that line. Like it's just an excuse to not even try or to just wave off something. The original had some really deep very mature themes and they were handled very well. Just cause something is 'for kids' doesn't mean you don't need to put any effort into it.

[@MajorSmurf]

It is super bad logic. Tolkien only started writing fantasy because he wanted to write amazing stories for his kid. They going call Tolkien a bad writer or his stories are made for kids? LOTR is beloved by many kids. Hell I watched LOTR as a kid. Just because something is written for a kid doesn't mean it has to be poorly written or not explore complex concepts.

[@spacedinosaur8733]

"Children are too important to be left to shitty media"- The Little Platoon

[@retromeister3709]

If the original showrunners left for "creative differences", then that's a major red flag there.

[@Prototype-357]

Seriously I'm having a terrible sense of deja vu

[@JackTagar]

It happens so often with these remakes it's kinda insane

[@bananas244]

Theres a leak that says the creators wanted to change too much but Netflix didn’t, so thats why they left. This isn’t confirmed tho

[@theinsurance2450]

​@@bananas244Change for the better probably. They wanted to change the changes.

[@Totallyarealhuman2210]

I remember when the trailer first released and a lot of people were pointing that out, some were saying something along the line of "the OG showrunners also made Korra (a few even used Dragon Prince here) so lets not pretend they're the pinnacle of good writing here" (which to some degree I agree with the sentiment-just because someone made something good doesn't mean everything they make holds the same standards-there's also the chance of people holding different views from before). There's also the rumor (as stated above) that the og showrunners wanted to change things which Netflix/current producers didn't agree with, which could be seen as beneficial for the the first sentiment. Wonder how they feel abt that after everything else that has been announced? (And even if the current desicions were hypotetically made or approved by the og showrunners (had they been involved), people would still rightfully critisize it)

[@grace.stewartt4224]

As soon as I saw this thumbnail, I thought "Oh, I have some gripes with this too." I lost hope when the OG creators left.

[@bioshogushin606]

They make it sound like Sokka was just randomly throwing around sexist remarks just for the lolz and no one checked him on it, when he in fact got called out for being sexist and was royally humbled. Then they're actively removing parts of the characters that were integral to their development and the world building.

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

Sokka wasn't even sexist he just understood the roles that his tribe played. he stood up to an entire fire bending crew by himself despite not being trained just to protect the women in his village. A real sexist would not do that.

[@SpaceTalon]

The dude grew up around women that weren't willing to protect their kids when a danger showed up. Then he meets Suki and at first he thinks that it's another girl that just talks the talk. But when it turns out that her and her warriors very much walk the walk, it changes his view on women and the world in general. Saying that he was "was royally humbled" you make it sound as if he was put through some kind of Mao style public humiliation ritual, while in reality he admits that he was wrong, apologizes and asks Suki to help him improve. To which she gladly obliges, recognizing that he has a warrior spirit. And on top of that, in a short time they spent together, Sokka impresses Suki enough for her to star falling for him.

[@bioshogushin606]

@SpaceTalon "grew up around women who weren't willing to protect their child when a danger showed up"? His mom literally sacrificed herself to protect Katara. When Zuko showed up and asked the tribe to hand over Aang, not one of the women were willing to give him up despite them and their kids being in danger. Sokka got ROYALLY HUMBELD, because he swore no girl could beat him in a fight. When he realized that the Kyoshi warriors were women, he claimed that they only beat him because they caught him off guard and that they never would've won if they came at him. When Suki gave him a fair and square 1v1, he got ROYALLY HUMBLED. Suki was impressed by Sokka because he wasn't the arrogant mcho clown that he presented himself to be on their 1st encounter. It's like the point of their interaction went clear over your head.

[@bioshogushin606]

@thecensoredmuscle563 Sokka was a sexist not a misogynist. A misogynist has no regard for women's well being, a sexist can care about a woman's well-being whilst being discriminatory towards women. Case in point, Sokka cares for his sister and the other women in his village, but he thinks women are incapable of hunting and defending themselves based on no other factor other than them simply being women, which is why he denied that Suki could've beaten him in a head on fight before being proven wrong.

[@SpaceTalon]

@@bioshogushin606 Sounds like you just hate him for bing a man, and are willing to literally ignore facts to support your cope. Sad to see it.

[@Ferox2121]

I am really suprised that they are making the same mistake Shyamalan did by making Aang too serious. He is supposed to be a light hearted kid and changing this did not work, we already saw this around 15 years ago.

[@KaypainBeats]

So you haven't watched ANY of the footage with Aang? Because if you did, you wouldn't be saying this

[@TheMAM]

Just let old shows die. Seriously, after a while, new teams working on old properties will simply NOT understand the intent and vision of the original teams. This applies even if some of the original creators come back like with the Clone High reboot, whether it be giving the new team too much control or it being the original creator's ideals changing.

[@clayongunzelle9555]

Sokka is a genius not only because he's a smart but also or even more importantly because he is always quick to acknowledge that he doesn't know everything. As soon as he is proven wrong he immediately reevaluates the situation and acts accordingly

[@jendoe9436]

I grew up during Avatar’s original run and have fond memories of watching each new episode as it premiered. Though I think the scheduling messed up a bit in Book 2 cause I missed some of the beginning episodes. Anyway, all that to say is that the show was great and has left an impact on a lot of people. Not every episode was good (obvious being The Great Divide) and there were weaknesses in the story telling, but the series overall still holds up. I wouldn’t mind a few ‘fill in the blanks,’ but I really don’t like the idea of showing the Air vs Fire fight and the trailer shot of Zuko standing up to his dad during the Agni Ki. Not showing something can be just as powerful as showing something, especially if it’s something heavy like the loss of people. We don’t need to see them in their final moments, we just need to see the last place they breathed at and take in the emptiness of the environment to understand they’re gone. Also, I really hate how they diss on Sokka in all of this. He was a teenage boy tasked with watching a village full of non-bending women and children, of course he was gonna step up and try to be a leader!! The Southern Water Tribe also did have a history of women water benders, as seen in ‘The Puppeteer’ with Hama and even during ‘The Northern Water Tribe’ they mentioned how one of the reasons people left was because they didn’t like the strict roles for men and women. It wouldn’t be until Katara came around that any water bender would be born again at the SWT. In the meantime, natural biology came into effect where men (who are naturally built to tackle heavier tasks) took over hunting and fighting while women (built to be more nurturing) stayed behind to watch the kids and care for the home. It’s not sexist, it’s just both groups falling into roles that play to their strengths for the good of the tribe.

[@SaySay460]

Preach!

[@SunnysFilms]

They also said they fixed Katara's "gender issues", and I think we all know what that means. This is Cowboy Bebop and Winx Saga all over again.

[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

I'm not getting the reference- wdym? Sorry

[@SunnysFilms]

@@inserthahafunniusername9656 You mean the "gender issues"? Katara is very stereotypically feminine and has a very nurturing, mother-like nature that radical feminists tend to complain about like being feminine is regressive or evil. I'm positive that's what Netflix has decided to "fix".

[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

@@SunnysFilms ohhhh that's what you meant- good lord I'm pretty sure you're spot on. I hope not, but it's probably true

[@cts1234567]

Honestly with the way Netflix runs things I was always worried, odds were they cut the number of episodes shown per season which would hurt it in the long run, as except for the great divide, the first season's episodes were all relevant later to the characters and later seasons. Really for the first book you could only cut down 2-3 episodes, the great divide, the waterbending scroll, and combine the final down an episode, literally everything else has long term plot effects that are needed, and even then you have to move the pirates somewhere else. A live action series for Avatar:TLA was always going to be difficult, these latest "reveals" just makes it feel like it wasn't worth the effort for them to do.

[@Venorpion]

WE ALL ARE WORRIED.

[@christscrackers647]

They should've gotten Tomorrow Studios to make this. It's clear they are the ONLY ones who learned their lesson.

[@X3nophiliac]

yeah they went from Cowboy Bebop to One Piece, they know now to listen to fans 😅😅

[@Raximus3000]

@@X3nophiliac Or Oda kept them on level.

[@theinsurance2450]

That not why the One Piece was good. It was good because the creator refuse to give away 100% creative control. There was so many things he refused them to do. That the only reason it was good. It was not because they learn their lesson. The creator wasn't going have anyone ruined his brand.

[@Prototype-357]

The thing about removing Sokka's sexism really highlights the hypocrisy of the "cartoons are just for kids" argument. It's like they think people who are mysoginist can't learn or change and that this one flaw of their character erases any other good thing about them, and they think this is the more mature and adult way of dealing with this instead of the way the "kid's show" did it. I noticed that as much as everyone likes to talk about giving characters flaws cause that makes those characters more interesting some writers seem to think that characters can only have certain "acceptable" flaws, cause anything too egregious would turn the audience off, or even worse the writers assume that we are too dumb to know that there's a difference between a media depicting something and condoning something. It's like they are the type of people who think the creators of schindler's list was anti-semite. Sokka was deeply flawed but even at the beggining he had his qualities, like being willing to face a ship full of fire nation soldiers by himself when he knew it was impossible odds, I feel like the show wanted to challenge the audience by showing us the nuances of a character like that and asking us "can you really label him that easily?". Those writers are embarassing themselves so bad by being afraid to portray this part of Sokka's character, cause their live action version from 2024 will be less nuanced than what was depicted in a "kid's cartoon" from the early 2000's.

[@theinsurance2450]

The water tribes old ways was to show not everything is black and white. Even the good side has darkness in it. This was also one of reasons why the Fire nation believed they were better than the rest of world. Unlike the water tribe. The fire nation treated men and women equally in term of fighting and leadership. The fire nation also saw the air Nomads as weak. Not having a military was one of main reasons they were wipe out so easily. The earth kingdom was too separated. Letting each land rule as they please with no oversight at all. This cause each town to be easily taken over with no way to communicate for help. It also cause each town to relie on their own means rather than a nation as a whole. Fire nation had their reasons to believe they were better than other nations through these flaws. By taking these flaws away hurts the reasoning for the fire nation to start the war in the first place. The fire Nation ironically was more Progressive. Not only in policy but invention and growth. Their flaw however was not having their fire contain. Instead of cooking the chicken it burn down the forest. Progressive can be good but it needs to be contain. It can't be rush or forced. Even in Star wars the Empire had it reasons besides just power. Hydra wasn't just about power. It was about order, although to the extreme and evil means to reach results.

[@slicerneons3300]

Do I think they would be allowed to handle the topic well without scathing backlash from the usual suspects? No, not really. Time to have concerns. Ember Island Players better not have made a more faithful adaptation.

[@dragonmaster1360]

@slicerneons3300 I can say with pretty decent certainty that the Ember Island Players WILL, indeed, have a more faithful adaptation. Especially since I'm expecting the show to flip everything. Sokka is gonna be a whimpy little whiny leader. Aang is gonna be an "imposter" or fake. Katara's will be the Avatar, Toph will take Sokka's place, and Zuko is going to be the epitome of toxic masculinity, to be supplanted by his sister, Azula, or maybe even Mei/Ty Lee. I have 0 faith that they'll make this on good faith. They admitted to making changes, "to make it fit live action" a while back, and I remember thinking and saying "how much change?". Well, now we know, they're willing to dismantle entire themes and character arcs in the original. This show is doomed.

[@AlecEburhard]

I have a bad feeling they’re going to pull a “Maleficent” on Azula and completely sanitize how evil she was in the OG, and by virtue make her a lamer character. And I don’t even want to think what they’ll do to Iroh.

[@pucamisc]

I worry about Toph. She is one of the best disabled characters in media. Her disability isn’t her entire character. I love how they have the gaang occasionally forget she’s blind. Her weakness makes sense (ex she can’t see in water or can’t see in sand easily ). But she’s still extremely powerful. I can absolutely see them taking away her weaknesses and make her blindness a huge focus of her character.

[@Gottzchalk]

What has me worried that it’s going th be visual sensation, that blows away the world. This will lead to visuals overtaking storytelling in the future to be the most important aspect in creating adaptions!

[@Shiirow]

cant have negative character traits anymore.

[@papermr.magolorguy7957]

I’m currently writing a movie script. The best piece of advice I see is “look at how Hollywood makes stories and characters and do the opposite.

[@matityaloran9157]

Good luck with your script

[@papermr.magolorguy7957]

@@matityaloran9157 thank you friend

[@crazygamer_1082]

Not them basically saying that Aang shouldn’t act like a kid..when’s he’s literally twelve. He’s a 12-year old boy who never got to be a kid and is now FORCED to master all four elements in a matter of months. Yes, we needed those light hearted moments between all the CHILDREN CHARACTERS having fun because in the last season. They were actively IN a war. Him having visions removes his agency as an Avatar. Being an Avatar is a choice that Aang had to come to terms too. It was an impactful and gut wrenching moment because you AS AN AUDIENCE MEMBER knew that he was changed. That seeing what being an Avatar means to people made him WANT to change. It won’t mean anything if he has visions (WTF??) telling him to get someplace with no care for his own self.

[@KyuubiGoku1]

The thing with Sokka is, he learns from his mistake. This should be the easiest green light for "feminists." The man learns from his mistake, comes to appreciate the women in his life not only as capable warriors, but also best friends and equals. The original show literally tackled not only Sokka's narrow-minded view, but also his willingness to apologize and better himself for it. Isn't that what they're all preaching or ranting about?

[@Cationna]

No. There is no growth allowed in cancel culture. Even if you grovel and submit, you can only get humbled and showed up. A main character is not allowed to have any flaws ever, they have to be perfect and right always because otherwise we're endorsing what they're saying. I suppose Zuko is allowed because A) he can be a plot twist, B) his flaws aren't Actually Flaws but results of Trauma™ so he was always secretly a victim.

[@KaypainBeats]

He's sexist for literally 2 episodes. Yall act like Sokka cured misogyny. There so much more growth to his character than his 2 episode, sexism arc

[@plumaDshinigami]

No sexism means removing character development. Less kiddy stuff means removing timeless messages. And don't get me started on how they want to treat Zuko's backstory which in the show was amazingly done by showing little.

[@WhiteRaven696]

The original show was about a bunch of traumatized teenagers avenging a genocide and preventing two others and dealing with a century of worldwide colonization. But sexism is where we draw the line? Gender roles? 🙄 There’s a reason why the original creators left, and it’s CLEAR.

[@animezilla4486]

No it's not we still don't have the full story about that

[@longtsun8286]

I have ZERO confidence in any "current year" American writers and artists who harbor the DELUSION they can somehow "improve" SOMEONE ELSE'S work. They just want to ride SOMEONE ELSE'S coattails, without making it OBVIOUS they're doing so- denouncing the ORIGINAL CREATORS as "Sexist, racist, You Know What-phobic!!!" does NOT make it less obvious they're riding SOMEONE ELSE'S coattails!

[@patrickmcguire7896]

Sokka was only sexist for like 4 episodes I don’t get why they’d cut it and why they hate it?

[@lovelylife3012]

They said tone down not get rid of how are people not getting this ?

[@king__iopa6841]

I don't like how Ozai is exposed right away either. In the show he was this distant main villain character and he was kept in the dark for 2 whole seasons. And I don't like how they're scraping off Sokka's dad either.

[@ajamessssss]

Exactly! The whole mystery part is gone. They are getting inspiration from Last airbender movie!

[@Cationna]

No wholesome fatherhood allowed on screen!!!!

[@KaypainBeats]

Sokka's dad has been casted wtf are you talking about?

[@Somewhat-Sinister]

Hearing "the original creators left due to differences" is always a MAJOR red flag. If they're trying to remove the flaws that made the characters as great as they were, I can't wait to see how they pad out the many, many episodes worth of story that was spent showing the said characters overcoming those flaws 😒

[@tankdogization]

I heard somewhere (take with a grain of salt) that they left because they wanted to make changes to their own source material for the series. Maybe they were ashamed of their own work from 20 years ago or felt this was their opportunity to make changes to what was canon. It kind of makes sense for people who were fans of ATLA but weren’t fans of TLOK. They evolved from their original way of writing stories for their shows.

[@Nemo-Nihil]

One of the things I learned in my creative writing courses was that sometimes a Big Trauma Event (like the Air Nomad Genocide) is better left not explored. We never see it happen. We only see Before and After. Yet we feel it. We feel it so keenly throughout the original. We don't need to see it not because it's a kids show but because it's always there. This haunting weight.

[@HamziHakim-x9r]

I love the animated shoe better than the live remake as my favourite character in the show was Yui and though she was a minor character I liked how in the animated show they made her the Moon Spirit but in the live remake they just kill her off and she never becomes the Moon Spirit was disappointing .

[@tankdogization]

I heard somewhere that the original creators left because they themselves wanted to do things differently from what they did from the live action series.

[@skaven969]

Always remember these shows/movies are not made by people who enjoy the source material, they are hired writers who think they can fix it.

[@animezilla4486]

How do you know that's actually the case for this live action series

[@skaven969]

@@animezilla4486 it’s the case for all media. They hire writers and directors who are interested in creating their own version. Adaptations and remakes are owned by the IP holders and interested in a version that will become the new standard.

[@MARStheFORSAKEN]

I never understood why the air nomads(people who move to New homes often) would stand and fight to the death dispite being pacifists and knowing how to fly something the fire nation can't do until they invent war balloons.

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

This will be a repeat of Shamalan’s Schrödinger’s adaptation (the one that simultaneously exists and doesn’t exist). No involvement from the original showrunner, a truncated retelling of Season 1’s story, making changes to make it more “progressive”, introducing logical questions the original series didn’t have, and making things unnecessarily dour where they needn’t be. Reject it and pray that it is forgotten as Shamalan’s mangling also deserves to be.

[@KaypainBeats]

Fuck outta here, anybody that's actually watched the footage that's been released wouldn't be saying this crap

[@Burns_RED]

I just want to ask why. Even at best, it'll never be better than the original. So... Why even bother? Hollywoke is so beyond desperate to milk EVERYTHING.

[@peterrealar2.067]

I am MEGA worried about this version of the show.

[@LordKraken3]

The original showrunners leaving, citing "creative differences" is enough of a turnoff for me.

[@elianisthebrave6988]

the first episode is literally called "The BOY in the iceberg". Aang was NOT mentally ready to be the avatar at the start of the series. which goes full circle when the last episode is called "AVATAR Aang" when he ends the 100 year war.

[@dragonmaster1360]

Any TRUE fans of Avatar the Last Airbender, the animated series, would be worried about this remake. ESPECIALLY with the remake by Shyamalan, and even more so the creator's leaving the project. The reason One Piece succeeded, like you said, is because Oda was DIRECTLY involved. Without the original writers and the people supporting them (Korra proves there was somebody else in the team, balancing out their idiocy with good writing), this is doomed to fail. I called it as soon as the first few articles about it. Netflix has a history of destroying IPs if they're not reigned in and forced to the original script, or be legitimately faithful to the original. Avatar, without its creators, is going to be no different. This is doomed to fail, there's no doubt now.

[@lovelylife3012]

I heard the creators wanted to change stuff not Netflix.

[@dragonmaster1360]

I heard the same, that's why I included the team supporting them in my comment. There's plenty of evidence that the main writers, the ones involved in the Netflix adaptation, weren't the ones that really made the original show good. Korra is proof enough of that. There had to be somebody on the original team that reigned in their dumb ideas and improved the show. Even so, Netflix does have a history of ruining IP if they're not held to task. This is a failure all around, and I knew it would be since early on.

[@Gigabowser20]

I fully agree with this, I'm very concerned about the things they have said. Honestly it's hard because you don't want it exactly the same, but also not to different, and more importantly the changes they're saying seem particularly questionable. Not really sure why they are bothering to make a live action adaptation tbh, should be a separate show in the avatar universe. New mic sounds great btw!

[@guydammit3287]

They don't UNDERSTAND a character arc. As far as they're concerned, Noah built the arc. And he was for the patriarchy. So no old fashioned ideas for us modern strong independent post modern women.

[@Brotherofthe4thCompany]

You left out how these activists hate Christianity and the Bible.

[@kaykutcher2103]

Forget character arcs, they don't seem to understand character. Me having bad knees tells you nothing about my personality, but according to modern day Hollywood random physical attributes like that are enough.

[@m4ni0u]

Honestly i really hope that the live-action craze will end soon. 9 out of 10 times there is nothing good coming out of it. In some cases most of the fans would like more of the animated stuff or for the franchise to be left alone. Additionally Avatar is a hard choice for a live-action adaptation since bending is a really integral part of the series. Which means that there needs to be a lot of CGI and good CGI to represent it well. Some things are better left animated.

[@sab3redg333]

It was over the moment Netflix pushed the original creators out. They left on their own accord sure, but this has happened so often that i am convinced Netflix butts head with the creators/lore experts until they force them to leave out of frustration then they go on to do what they want with the show. They did this with the witcher blood orgin as soon as henry "gamer" cavail left the show.

[@animezilla4486]

The bottom line is we don't know that for sure what was going on in Netflix

[@thewittywhygaming6487]

It all comes down to ego. They think they can do better than the guys who made one of the best animated series of all time. This mentality of thinking they're making the "grown up" version is going to bite them in the ass.

[@wesmcinerny4524]

I knew we couldn't trust this remake.

[@matityaloran9157]

There is no live-action Avatar in Ba Sing Se

[@wesmcinerny4524]

@@matityaloran9157 It was already proven with the 2010 movie.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@wesmcinerny4524 Exactly

[@UncensoredScion]

They're plumbing from Reddit of all places to make reasons for their changes. The more I hear the more I know this is going to be crap on a stick. And let's not forget what Bryke did to the world of Avatar with Korra...they aren't any better.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

"Let's not forget what Bryke did to the world of Avatar with Korra" You mean making it even more complex, maximizing its verisimilitude and making it feel even more like a living civilization?

[@OfficialTomsSkujinsFanClub]

@@vetarlittorf1807that’s not the general consensus, most everyone prefers the original to korra

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@OfficialTomsSkujinsFanClub I never said Korra was better.

[@UncensoredScion]

@@vetarlittorf1807 No What I mean is where they changed literally everything about the world. By making the two magic carpets the origin of the Avatar State rather than there being a connection with Nature itself as it was in the original. no, they didn't make it more complex, they rewrote it to make it a steampunk retcon that reinvented the concept. That's what they did. and they ruined it by doing so.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@UncensoredScion The nature of the Avatar was never delved into in the original. But the term "Avatar" should give you a clue that they embody a higher power. LoK shows the Avatar living up to their name as the embodiment of Raava, the spirit of light and peace. ATLA was already steampunk. LoK didn't retcon that. It simply took it to the next level. It only makes sense given that ATLA showed the Fire Nation kickstarting the Industrial Revolution.

[@gelibeanz_]

Agreed with every point you made, it’s insane that they’re still not learning from the backlash the last “dark” adaptation was. It was terrible because you could tell the insight into the characters and show was extremely lacking and now we have halfway accurate…

[@sergeybin2390]

Netflix is changing canon in their remake because they don't understand original show. This has never happened before, and here it is again.

[@williambragg6171]

I had hopes when the trailer came out, but with how much they’re taking away, this doesn’t feel like avatar any more.

[@MajorSmurf]

A character is only as strong as their flaws. If they have none then they are worthless and weak. A strong character doesn't ignore their flaws but overcomes them. Why would you remove a flaw from your character? The characters journey is more important then the destination. Like Avatar could have just had Aang be super powerful and beat everyone up but literally no-one would fall that deeply in love with that show. It would be thrown in the trash pile with all the other terrible written shows.

[@lewisbaldwin4094]

Avatar took place during war times, how are people still labeling cartoons for kids? Not to mention, a bunch of other cartoons back in the 2000s were wild in a bunch of different ways

[@matityaloran9157]

It is rated TVY7-FV

[@annabellthedoll9953]

I should have known this was going to happen. It was to good to be true.

[@vertigo2894]

Prince Zuko looks awful!

[@Brotherofthe4thCompany]

Zhao and Iroh look worse

[@darriongeorge5137]

Worse part is that they say they make these changes cause they want to change it from a "nickoldeon kids cartoon" to a netflix drama

[@XC11301991]

Yea, the trailers look good but I'm still skeptical. I'm just waiting to see how it pans out than hyping myself up as there's always more to things than meets the eye. Adaptations or just in general content released I wait to see criticisms before just jumping right in.

[@jrr2480]

I just hope that some of Anng's flows are fixed, or at least toned down.

[@JWS1313]

This version looks even more like The Ember Island episode then the M. Night movie (which looked or sounded nothing at all like airbender)

[@Angrenost02]

And here we go again: the people remaking a beloved older story don't understand nor respect it, fail to see what made its success, change and/or destroy its important parts and claim that they made it better actually. We already know how it's going to go: the show will suck, bomb, get destroyed by fans and the creators will end up blaming said fans for their own failure. They never learn.

[@lilyguriel7151]

I can’t wait to ignore this and not waste my time like I’ve done with the Disney live action remakes 😊

[@TwilightWolf032]

I like the new mic! I'm gonna hate the Netflix Avatar, though.

[@animezilla4486]

Your sure ?

[@TwilightWolf032]

@@animezilla4486 Yes, I am sure. She sounds better now. :D

[@BahamutZero09]

I also heard that they will not mention Sozin's Comet in the first season

[@dietcaza4003]

It's literally in the first shot of the trailer?!?

[@AL-ws5yi]

Your sound is good. But I always thought your sound was pretty good already.

[@aislemontecristo]

What's weird, is how this is the same Netflix that airs Bastard!!!.😮

[@humblemarty]

I like to think of Netflix as the Ember Players because, even after Sokka helped out the Ember Players with their play, they still made an adaptation that made the originals watching extremely perturbed inside.

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

The more I kept hearing the more disappointed I got. Especially when they said it was going to be like game of thrones. Can these heads just let that show go and make a good show instead of a water down version of what they think will sell in "todays climate".

[@Cationna]

They actually said that...? Ok well that's all I needed to know.

[@lovelylife3012]

How about we actually wait until its out first ?

[@milham975]

If this was the reasons the original creators left Netflix, it gives me hope for Avatar Studios projects like the Earthbender Avatar series and the adult team Avatar movie.

[@emmanueldedmon6690]

Keep up the good work

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

2:58 - They were supposed to be "iffy." That's how you know it's a good character arc when he grows out of it. How dense do they have to be, that we have to explain that? 5:49 - Just because they worked on it doesn't mean they actually watched it. In fact a lot of actors specifically won't watch anything they've worked on. For a few possible reasons. Including something like the cook complimenting a meal they themselves made. It's considered bad form. In the case of love interests, it can be awkward to watch something like that where you as an actor have to invest in the scene (voice acted or not) well aware that your significant other is right there beside you. But yeah, I'd have thought Sokka's voice actor would have been more on the side of his own character, and the genuine PROGRESS made. But what do I know... Agree with all your points, and the mic sounds good so far.

[@RaifSeverence]

From what ive heard, netflix is 1 for 4 with LA renditions of anime. Good: One Piece Bad: Cowboy Bebop Full Metal Alchemist Death Note In all likelyhood ATLA will be bad.

[@DarkAuraLord]

you can add Yuyu Hakusho to that list of failed LAs.

[@jj7up1]

Yeah, I saw a lot of flaws in the trailer, that’s why I’m nervous about it cause this show has really helped me through my hard times and to see messed up, I’m not going to be happy

[@THEINFINITIVERSESAGA]

4:06 but when I do it people hate them even when it’s essential to the story

[@fruitloops2058]

. Gets rid of sexism . Adds more scenes of genocide What

[@mk_wizard]

I want to be optimistic, but.....

[@artfire28]

I'll just introduce the OG to my kids to make them appreciate a good story and learn valuable lessons from it.

[@Venorpion]

You forgot the part where they said they want the series to have the same feeling as game of thrones lol. So sexism is bad, but gore and in*est is ok?? lol

[@lovelylife3012]

I don't think that's what they meant.

[@patrickkelmer6290]

Aang looks very AI here.

[@StevesRankings]

This stuff makes no sense honestly. Aang wanting to have fun resulted in them going to Kyoshi which is where sokka leaves his sexist ways behind. So this means that there legit is almost no point in adding kyoshi to the show. And sokka being sexist is the reason they find aang

[@Cationna]

I can't believe i thought even for a moment that a major studio might NOT do a "modernised gritty remake" of a classic this time and just give us a good live action adaptation. How utterly silly of me. We can't have nice things anymore. (I think One Piece was what was throwing me off, but after all, they still have a lotttttt of opportunities to screw that up too.)

[@fabianhm77]

I was very excited for this series since they first announce it, but with every new info released Im less and less confident that they have respected the original, I mean that was the greatest flaw in the movie, idk what are they thinking.

[@cyberellawho876]

Original creators gone, clowns in charge think they know better........another netflix flop.

[@lovelylife3012]

Just watch it first we don't truly know anything.

[@t34r]

Fans: Aaand it's gone. (Awkward silence.) Live Action Team: What? Fans: Your credibility, it's all gone. Live Action Team: But I still had credibility a moment ago when I released the trailer. Fans: Yeah but you announced that You're gonna make a lot of unnessecary and unreasonable changes so it's all gone. Puff. Live Action Team: Can I somehow get my credibility back? Fans: I'm sorry this franchise is for people with credibility. Please make room for people who have some. Next please!

[@Bloody8444]

I'm very worried hope theydont ruin it but they probably will

[@maldon3659]

I just started rewatching Avatar again and Sokka is called out on his sexism from the very first episode

[@jeanie7555]

I feel like them showing the nomads dying is a bad idea. The jarring mood change when Aang finds out what happened to them the same time the audience does, is really important in making us care about him. Makes me think of the scene from Mulan.

[@Yuwaethomas617]

😊 not to mention it is their story it's their creation it's their baby they should have the full creative rights

[@darthsidious4274]

Modern era of writing is all about changing superior stories into slop nobody likes, atleast be happy Sokka isn´t gay, i´m sure that option was on the table over at netflix.

[@ixiahj]

No one knows how to write epic anymore.

[@777Rowen]

You and another KZbin also brought this idea up. If they get rid of Sokka’s sexist character there’d be no reason for him to develop. If they’re going to remove that aspect of Sokka’s character, then they need to replace it with something as equally compelling to show his character growth.

[@Yuwaethomas617]

When you pointed out like this it's actually true they're going to take away sokkas complete sexism for him to build his character basically saying his characters already been built but what about toph she's just been disrespectful in all types of ways and she's get away with most of the wisecrack especially everything with zuko how he was fixated on Ang I don't know I just smelled disaster all over they should have just left the creators with their full fine of creativity and final judgment for the entire series

[@14bis42]

Worried ? Girls .... the original creators bail out . Of course they knew Netflix was making another bad live action show . Like another cowboy beepbop ...

[@Shiirow]

the only thing One Piece taught me is if you want as decent adaptation, the creator needs full control to tell people take their 'changes' and go f*ck themselves. otherwise it turns into a dumpster fire shit show.

[@EvanmarleyDixon]

As bad as things seem from a writing and directing standpoint, I think we can all apresheate the visuals. The cast, costumes, bending, sets, and cgi creatures like appa and momo. It really feals like the cartoon has come to life from a visual perspective. Even if it is shit let's hope it's not as bad as the last air bender movie or other Netflix live action adaptations like their death note film.

[@HighHeelKnight]

Your mic sounds nice. (Check one.)

[@ValterFrey]

I don't trust a lot of new shows, especially remakes of old shows. Them making Aang more focused on going to the Northern Water Tribe. Almost makes it sound like they are going to make him a brooding angster something criticized about Aang in the Last Airbender I think.