I Might Not See Her Alive Again.

[@Azeal]

Update as of 5 hours after uploading this: She's alive. Thank god. Her best friend, who she knows in real life, found my discord tag and forwarded my phone number to her sister, who put me on a group phone call with her. She hasn't been sent back to Aspiro... at least, not yet. She's in a psych ward in her home state. In other news, as of today she is 17 (I know, what a way to spend your birthday) and while on the phone with her I joined the voice chat in my Parteon server and we sang her happy birthday with over 30 people! Here's an unlisted video of that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnTNimRqapaBrrM

[@radioforums.]

that's so great to hear 🤍

[@sadtoasties]

It’s good to hear she’s alive. I hope she will be okay too. Hopefully her birthday will keep her in high spirits and give her strength

[@honeybeech4580]

I hope things will be looking up for her soon

[@wannabewumpus]

I'm so glad that she's still alive. keep fighting

[@DarksteelHeart]

I'm glad your friend is at least alive. I hope her knowing she has friends in the world is helping keep her strong. Sending hope and love from a stranger on the internet, -DSH

[@PhoenixMoth]

Troubled Teen Industry. A terrible place worse than jail.

[@PhoenixMoth]

Don’t believe me go to Reddit.

[@nate_the_gret]

I believe nexpo made a video on one of these, but it was a much worse one.

[@yuli161-daedalus]

@@PhoenixMoth look, i believe you, but giving reddit as a source, meh

[@heibk-2019]

@@yuli161-daedalus Its not the only source, its just that you can find many people there writing about their experiences in these facilities

[@PeninsulaCity2024]

At my highschool when I was a student there like 20 yrs ago, there was definitely two pipelines in place for "troubled youth": One to prison, and one to the psychward. You didn't even have to do or say anything major. Just the smallest of reasons will get you either a visit from (more) cops, and / or the paramedics. All with the express purpose to get you out of sight quickly. If you managed to not get lock up, school admins will gaslight you until you either change your mind about going, or have your or your family's reputation destroyed beyond repair. At least thats how it was. Thankfuly, the corrupt admins and school resource officers got cleaned out by the district just as I dropped out in my 4th year, but it was eye opening to my teenage self just how messed up the world really was without having bombs being dropped in your front yard or a drive by kicking off at the playground. My mom almost wanted us to move back out of the US because of it but she has already worked hard to start a life here, and she didn't want a few crooked heads to keep us or at least me from doing just that - living.

[@notyarrs]

I hope Fizzy comes out okay and the mental institution gets shut down together with the people who did this the bot of them. ❤️

[@sadlilbean602]

All we can really do is hope...

[@hifiteen49]

@@sadlilbean602 Well. There is something else you can do. But for legal reasons, I'm not going to describe what that might be.

[@dopeynut]

Knowing about the topics that pass in this channel, I felt a chill down my spine when i read this video's title

[@kiyu3229]

@@hifiteen49 terrorism

[@bliss5297]

@@dopeynut agreed

[@galacticbananastopmotions7292]

As someone who was sent to a mental hospital for suicidal tendencies, I have no idea how these places are legal. They forced me to sign papers consenting to things I didn’t consent to. They threatened to stop giving us food if we didn’t cooperate. They literally made us eat dog food a few times. And don’t get me started about my doctor. She lied on paper and admitted it to me. She said that she didn’t even care if I was suicidal anymore and that she wouldn’t let me out until she “fixed my depression”. Then she used cognitive behavioral therapy, which is usually good, but instead she used it to just try and make me think that I am completely fine and that all the problems at home aren’t real. I watched staff multiple times physically assault people who had not done anything in the first place. Fuck that place, fuck the corrupt doctors that make money off manipulating and lying to people. I feel so sorry for anyone who has to go to these places. If this is the so called help everyone keeps saying is there, than no shit we’re not gonna want to reach out. Sorry for ranting lol, anyways I really hope she gets out safe, really bad things happen in those places and it’s just in general an extremely dehumanizing experience. As much as I hate to say it, I honestly don’t blame her for not wanting to live after going through that a second time. I hope they get out safe and ok❤️

[@EliTheSilly]

Hey, I don’t really know what to say but I wanted to send you a text to tell you that I hope you’re doing better now and if it’s not the case then I hope you will be better soon! (Sorry For being repetitive heheh) I’m sending you all my love and support!! >:)

[@galacticbananastopmotions7292]

@@EliTheSilly thank u I appreciate it :)

[@feoleb]

cbt for a previously suicidal person takes months at least. That's messed up they wouldn't move you to outpatient.

[@Skrimbi]

Man this shit sucks, I know just saying something won't do anything but I hope this won't make life much harder for you in the future. It's so fucked up that these places are just allowed to operate. Gl man just gl ❤️

[@galacticbananastopmotions7292]

@@Skrimbi thanks

[@crocsincendiary]

CANNOT BELIEVE that the staff weren't medical trained in those programs. Fucking MENTAL!! I'm an assistant for a woodlands activity (just an afternoon of activities) and even I need a medical training certificate (in the UK). Hope you all are alright

[@RobinTheBot]

I've told many therapists before: I'm not going to hurt myself, UNLESS you send me to one of those places. If I wanted to be traumatized and put into debt I would just go back to drugs. They can't help me one bit when I'm sitting in bed feeling my chances of ever getting out of debt tick away... And that's the best case scenario.

[@manualdomundo2550]

The video might have just been uploaded, but i can already feel dread in the air... Lets all hope Fizzi is fine, as every life is precious and unique, doesnt matter the size, gender or species.

[@FDuckyWasHere]

Same............

[@holokpt]

Same

[@rebeccacummings6697]

Seahorses serve as nothing but things to make fun of. Stop talking when you don't know what you are talking about.

[@FDuckyWasHere]

@@rebeccacummings6697 tf

[@manualdomundo2550]

@@rebeccacummings6697 Oh, my pardons fellow watcher, i wasnt able to observe my own stupidity. I wish you a good day, seahorse

[@justinwhite4995]

As a victim of an abusive mental hospital, I hope Fizzi makes it through! Stay Strong!

[@vindi167]

oh no...

[@Thomas-gf9qm]

God let fizzi be okay. let her get out of this and let her live her life in peace. She’s been through enough and deserves to live her life how she sees fit

[@saku0bscure]

I’ve worked as a Residential Counselor in some Residential Treatment Centers (RTCs) in California, and I believe there are more regulations placed on these facilities for our state, luckily. Bad things still happen though, and believe me, I advocated loudly for the teens I worked with and whenever I felt like something wasn’t right, I made my voice heard (to the dismay of upper management). I think the stricter these programs are and the more punitive they are on the kids, the worse they are. IOP programs can be better. I’m sorry that you all had shitty experiences and that is so sad. I’m in this field as a therapist because I genuinely care about teens and can empathize with them because I’ve been in similar crisis situations, struggled with self-harm and suicidal thoughts/attempts. When I was 17 I hadn’t had any mental health care when I really needed it, so I attempted suicide by overdosing and was involuntarily hospitalized (they called it the Baker Act in your video, it can also be called being put on a 51-50 here in California). They strap you to a gurney and wheel you into a mental hospital. I did get some help there, though. I just know that being involuntarily hospitalized can be such a traumatizing event and I wish there were ways that they could make it less dehumanizing. I wish the best for all of you and hope that these wilderness programs are eliminated soon… they make the places that can actually help teens look bad.

[@Azeal]

We need more people like you in your field. Thank you.

[@Azeal]

Also, if you have any interest in talking to me directly on discord and maybe setting up a recording to talk about your work, I would love to meet you. If you drop your discord tag here I can keep an eye on this comment and add you right away, you can verify that the account thats adds you is me if the little youtube link on the profile goes to my channel. Thank you again for what you're doing.

[@MajinMist603]

@@Azeal :(

[@saltiestsiren]

Yup in Wisconsin a lot of people call it a 72 hour hold. I've done a few and best case scenario they're not ideal, worst case scenario they escalate situations and cause trauma and risk the safety of the person that's trying to be saved.

[@wwalton]

Stuff like this is the reason that I'll never get any kinds of therapy not to say that there aren't good ones out there just trying to help people but I digress I'd rather deal with stuff completely on my own

[@honkdonk8745]

I haven't watched this yet but Ik what's happening from the community posts. I'm so extremely sorry that this is happening to her and wish her the best

[@hikaruhoshi]

I don‘t know how this is not considered child abuse…like, what the hell, this and human rights violation. Prisoners of war are treated better than this. I really hope Fizzi is doing OK. Thanks for this video and thanks to both of them for telling their stories.

[@hajimen7559]

Azeal, I really like your videos, though I currently don't have the emotional capacity to watch a single one of them for a while. Idk man, I just see this and feel extremely powerless as I can't change anything and that truly hurts my heart. You're doing a great job, giving them a platform to be heard, the birthday wish videos, the online funding etc. Keep going man! You, your team and all the people on here are awesome and amazing human beings. Good Luck!

[@Azeal]

Thank you 🧡

[@liquidplazmid3260]

When I was at Aspiro the therapist assigned to my group recommended that every kid there went to the same corrupt boarding school. To this day I still believe she was getting kickbacks from the school.

[@Azeal]

Jesus...

[@snuffandstuff1423]

This poor girl.. Im glad she has a friend who loves her so much. Keep fighting, Luna..

[@violetmorgan8641]

So I'm a trans girl, and I spent 20 weeks in Aspiro (the average is 10), during late fall and winter, so this comment is just gonna be comparing my experiences with Fizzi's. I wanna start off by saying that I was lucky enough to be put into G2/G1, which were the girls groups. My brief experience with the boys groups were during resupply, and van maintenance, but holy shit those guys suck. The B groups kinda have a reputation of being chaotic, exhausting, and prone to violence, so it makes sense that her experience there was much more negative than mine. Look at everything I say through the lens of a trans girl who was finally in an environment of supportive people. Even if I came out of treatment with trauma, I still enjoyed it because I finally could be myself. 1: Secrecy: Aspiro really didn't tell you anything. You weren't allowed to see your reflection, know where you were going untill the day, know who your guides were gonna be, know the time, or know what was going on back home. There weren't phone calls, and every note would have to be reviewed by a therapist before being sent out, or being picked up. It felt like you were always in the dark. Some guides would skirt around the rules and let some info slip, but usually you weren't allowed to know what was going on. The reasoning given was that, "We needed to stay in the moment," but it ended up just adding to the feeling of helplessness. 2: Assault & Abuse: I feel a morbid sense of relief knowing that I wasn't assaulted during treatment. Twice I had to strip down to my underwear in a closed off location with 2 men who I had never met before (It had to be men because I was trans). The only real protection from assault is that guides must always be within eyesight of each other, and guides can't be alone with campers. While these should keep people safe, it just takes one person to break one for you to be in danger. 3: Powerlessness: The scariest part of wilderness was not having any power or control over your life. You are always within eyesight of a guide. You have no privacy, freedom, or say in what happens. We tried to convince a therapist that one of the campers wasn't safe to be there. We had to prevent them from killing themselves multiple times, but the therapist insisted that Aspiro was good for them. The last time I saw them was after they had been cut down from a noose. They were alive, but it just goes to show how little power you have. Even if you are currently being traumatized (Someone begging you to let them commit suicide, and the constant feeling that if you slip up they're dead, is not good for your mental health), it doesn't matter. We didn't have heating, tents, beds, or freedom. We couldn't choose where we were, who we were around, what we did, when we did it, or what was best for us. It was dehumanizing. I frequently imagined myself as a puppet, just doing whatever was told to me. "Obey the program and you'll get out," became my personal mantra. If I had been in a worse program, I wonder what abuse I would've just gone along with, all because I wanted to get out. 4: The Good: Despite everything I've said, I still loved my time at Aspiro. Maybe it's all Stockholm syndrome, but I still think it was worth the trauma. I saw how beautiful the world is. I learned what I was capable of. I felt what being accepted was like. I found out just how goddamn cool I am. I suffered, but it was always in pursuit of something that saved my life. I learned to love and live for myself. I believe Aspiro saved my life, I just wish it didn't traumatize so many others. 5: Outro: I'm lucky. My experience seems to be the minority of people who went to wilderness, but seeing what these programs can be, makes me hopeful for a future where they're safe, and can actually help people, instead of adding another traumatic experience onto the list. Not sure if Azeal would be interested on re-covering Aspiro from the perspective of someone put in a girls group, but I'd love the chance to talk about my experiences, and what I think needs to happen for these programs to work as intended. Anyways, I really enjoyed the video, and the terrifying trip down memory lane. Thank you Azeal for sharing others experiences, and giving them a chance to spread the helps and harm's of this Industry.

[@kailathefox]

Basically what I got from this was “It’s a good program in theory, not in practice” because it does sound amazing and helpful in theory! But people have to WANT to help themselves. They have to be given their rightful autonomy. They have to be able to have contact with friends and family. They have to be treated as a human being, and not a fuck up. They have to be given SOME kind of freedom. And there definitely has to be a better screening process for guides, and rules in place to keep these already at risk kids safe. The woods is what really helps my cPTSD from repeated CSA. I go survivalist camping and I feel at home, finally. I thought I was trans for a long time and went on hormones, but I’ve been detransitioned for almost 3 years now. My gender dysphoria was caused from my cPTSD, I was reliving my trauma everyday, but it was repressed, so it presented in mental and physical ways as well. Despite how badly the program is ran, I’m glad you got something out of it. Sometimes bad shit happens and we learn hard life lessons from it, I know I have at the very least.

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

I really hope Fizzi can catch wind of even a little support shown to her here, anything to help her through this terrible situation, once she's no longer obligated to go there her life will get much better, I'm sure

[@CrystallineFoxCF]

I had a friend who recently got out of one of these horrid places, his stories just send a shiver down your spine and make you want to literally go get the people out of them and burn the places down, they are literally the modern day versions of the places I won't name from the 1940's, they torture these kids and people just because they can, its horrible, they pretend that they're fixing you, but they're just making you easier to control, I genuinely hope she gets out of there as quickly as possible, and that she comes out okay.

[@reaganr3931]

I was able to watch this after 6 seconds after it came out which is crazy but yet feel like it has already been too long that Fizzy isn’t back. I pray that their ok. I heard a lot about stuff like this and that is just plain awful. I wish both of them the best of luck and that they will be able to live a clam and happy life. Thank you for all the work you do Azeal it means a lot to everyone ❣️

[@heiziiii]

as someone who has had to be baker acted to a behavioral center (also a floridian) on multiple occasions due to mental crises, i fully understand the stress and fear it can bring to someone. even for me, if i was admitted to a long-term care facility for mental problems it would be a breaking point for me. i really, truly hope fizzi fights through this, she deserves so much more 💜

[@ownzies100]

I was sent from west coast of Canada to Sandy Pines in Florida for meff addiction amongst other things like depression. That place was so messed up, lots of shady stuff going on and drugs being snuck in. Despite being there mostly for drugs, I was not put into any of the programs involving drug abuse for half of my stay.

[@sverbot]

I'm wishing the best for Luna/fizzy. She's been on my mind since you told us she was maybe getting sent back. My heart breaks to know she DID get sent back. I hope she knows how much support she has from total strangers. I just wanted to say if anyone else is also doing research now, AARON Bacon is the name of the kid who died in a treatment center the 90s. I looked it up to read about, and I found out that the actor Kevin Bacon is also against coercive mental health treatment, though... so that's cool?

[@sasha-taylor]

I was sent to a wilderness program in Utah in 2016, and held against my will for 78 days. I was "gooned", or taken by massive, armed, ex-military "adolescent transport" agents. This was after a PHP program and before being forced into an indescribably horrible program my home highschool operated on campus for my entire senior year. What I went through in 2016 left me with PTSD, drastically worse depression and anxiety, and deep polydrug addiction. My story can't fit into a YT comment, but Azeal, I'd be more than willing to tell it to you on VRC. I've been dying to get a VR headset but haven't saved the funds yet.

[@sasha-taylor]

@Goblin Mode oh I went and did that after I commented thx tho!

[@pachithemew151]

Shit, I really hope Fizzi's okay, she seems like an amazing person and I really hope she can get out of there again and keep out, no one should have to go through that bullshit. Especially more than once. I truely hope the best for her safety and sanity.

[@todoberry]

hey im jack in the video and i was on the phone with luna when she jumped out the window and ran away, and when her dad showed up at the house she was at. stay strong luna, and happy birthday.

[@oriongear2499]

Is Luna okay?

[@RageOfBeef]

@@oriongear2499 if their here saying stay strong, I don't think they know any more than us unfortunately

[@LofiBakery]

I was sent to a mental institution for depression and sucicidal tendency and that was hell. But my best friend was sent to a weirldess camp. She literally disappeared for months. Well about 9 months later she was back. She look anorexic she was so skinny. She had shown me many many scares she had gotten from very activities and beatings she revived. She had to hike with a bag of rocks on her back for telling the person she didn't feel well enough to hike and wouldn't move from her sleeping spot. According to her there was a punishment where you literally get tied to someone with only a ruler length of space in between. So basically the two young people female male or Male Male or female female didn't matter had to do EVERYTHING together wash use the bathroom camp chores. She also mentioned that the food was usually really moldy bread and like these dry fish things and on Fridays they got a can of spam. If they refused to eat or threw the food up they would be starved for 6 days no food and a cup of water a day. Usally they got 3 water bottles for every two days but again if you got that punishment it was only 1 cup of water aday. She describes having to build the tents for the guides well they slept out side with two blankets and a small pillow they made themselves stuffed with leaves. They had to wear pretty much exactly the outfit in this video. They had to start the fire themselves collecting the wood and everything with close supervision. For washing up they got 1 cloth and they had a water thingy that they all used and wa refiled at the end of the week they had basically get the cloth wet and wipe them selfs down in the middle of the woods of course only one at a time unless you got the punishment where your tied together. If you got hurt exactly what wa described here is extremely similar an on site facility. She told me not to long ago when she wa reminded of it by a movie that when they did inspections if your found with something your not supposed to they make you right home explaining why your at fault and why what you did could harm others and that you WANTED to stay longer for more "help". Then you where forced to apologize in front of the entire camp and tell everyone that you didn't mean to put the camp in danger. Basically they tried to isolate you. She's really only said that stuff but just the image of that horror going on is terrifying and don't ask for the name of the camp because I feel that would give away to much information on my end and my friends. Be careful read the reviews and for the love of God listen to your kids. The place charged them 70,000 for 9 months that's a lot of money for what she went through and he parents when seeing her again wanted to sue but couldn't afford it so now they out he in actual therapy cause she became more traumatized them ever she was only in there depression and she came out with so much worse.

[@benjaworld2804]

They literally paid make her more depression

[@LofiBakery]

@@benjaworld2804 I just reread this I am sorry for my terrible spelling I was half out of it. Yeah that's basically what they did. I don't know what else happened cause she stopped talking about it after awhile and it's not my place to ask. Luckily she's better now that she's getting help to deal with the trauma. I can't say much else cause I don't know anything else.

[@efemboygg]

thank you, i had to live through this hell before. all the RTC related videos have helped me come to understand what happened. God i hope fizzy comes out safe.

[@peytonreed937]

Please…. Let this be a happy ending. I don’t want her to die…

[@acakecat7581]

Wow, I really hope that both of them will be alright. This is just more reason to the fire on why people with mental illness are the victims in a situation rather than the perpetrators... I saw this one when it was live, didn't know this is what happened, Wishing her the best, and hope things will turn out alright

[@TalkingRacoon922]

That’s a dark truth about a lot Asylums and therapy institutions. It’s extremely expensive (500 bucks a day is pretty accurate. In France, it’s 400 € a day) and, don’t necessarily, let the patient get out whenever he wants because… If you want to get into one of those things, my therapist told me to make sure they have good policies. One he told me about, though it stills as expensive, but you’re not forced to stay. No matter what happen, if you wanted to leave, they let you do. And something that surprises me from their experiences is that they stayed for probably multiple years. While, from the doctors I meet: “If you’re cooperative, at worse, 3 days.” I never was a drug addict or in depression or something disturbing. I’m just ADHD with had a bit more anxiety and phobias at the time, but hearing these doctors compared to what my dad, a surgeon who worked at an asylum,and his friend, You gotta watch in which institution you enter. Get in the wrong one and they’ll keep you and will traumatize you more to keep you longer.

[@TalkingRacoon922]

I’m sorry. Such broken English I got go to a mechanic to get fixed.

[@Energy_Department]

God bless you and Fizzi

[@KainaX122]

I’m not a religious man, but I’ll be praying that Fizzi makes it through this and everything gets better for her 🙏🏻

[@thenateshow4371]

Oh dear god. All my condolences go to you, Fizzi, and Jack for having to go through this. Because to me all this looks like is a fucking horror show.

[@minki1820]

I honestly feel worried for them and others. I hope al those people in the program find their happiness and freedom.

[@lunatpr5594]

One of the practices by the facilites mentioned that I found especially concerning is not allowing anything negative about the facility to be said in letters. If a place like that is making sure you aren't telling people bad things about it, it definitely cares more about money than helping people. Here's hoping that Fizzi is able to get out of this situation okay! No one should have to deal with what she's being forced to go through.

[@sadlilbean602]

I've been threatened to be sent to a place called WBI where I live, and I've heard from so many of my friends and even my own partner that that place is hell.

[@jada589]

very much appreciate the different color subtitles!!

[@Azeal]

That took soooo long lol

[@jada589]

@@Azeal it was def worth it ;)

[@darthtokie]

Thank you Azeal for bringing attention to this and so much. Thank you to the guests coming forth and speaking up. It takes alot to speak up and even more to share what happened. It is unfortunately ridiculously common how corrupted and messed up many parts of our system are. I have been at the receiving end on much of it. This is only the smallest tip and only the most recent: From the woman who murdered my mom being let go on a technicality due to a fuck up by Tulsa PD, to me protecting my children and being sent to jail for 2 weeks on false chargers and lies by the county sheriff/judge (small town, all friends of the fam, judge was the lawyer that got me full custody, etc) for asking my G-parents (moms parents) to stop talking about moms murder in detail in front of my 4 & 6 year old (at the time). While there they refused to give me my cancer meds, pain meds, anything. Forced me to sign paperwork after not being able to really eat, sleep, anything for 2 weeks on top of having my kids ripped out of my arms after not even making it a block from my g-parents house and surrounded by county sheriffs. When i got out, due to ensuring my children would get everything in case i suddenly passed; my g-rents emptied my accounts, stole my cars, my house, my money, all my belongings, but worst of all- financially backed my exes under the pretext they go with whatever they say (which they did, they were exs and i was awarded full custody for a reason,when only wanting and asking for joint, firm believer kids need both parents). They took my children from me under false accusations and gave them to people that only ever cared about money. It was like pulling teeth to get them to see their own children.

[@derp24lordz]

My father was considering sending me to a place like this because my school caused me significant stress and depression, so he was looking into something like this, luckily my school counselor recommended a credit recovery school and ever since going to the recovery school my GPA went up from 0.23 to 3.8, and I've been feeling a lot less stress due to the smaller class size

[@plootyluvsturtle9843]

my heart goes out to these 2. i really hope fizzy will make it through this.

[@spacemarine6212]

Please keep us updated on the situation, man. I hope she's safe.

[@speedy7892]

You should send this video to her friend and have her send it to Fizzi's family. Show them what her father is doing and if that doesn't work then go drastic last resort and post all over social media

[@deathsxul.487]

I hope Fizzi makes it, i have a similar situation since i live in a place where sexual and other kind of abuse are normalized and unfortunaly i can't get out of here, it felt like i was looking at myself in the mirror when i saw this video, thank you for uploading this and letting someone share a story.

[@t0kichii]

I really really hope Fizzi gets out soon and comes out okay and can get help and never EVER go back there again. I'm glad she said she wouldn't do anything to herself but I'm really scared for her, her safety and her health. I really really really hope everything ends up okay and she can even take legal action if she so wishes.

[@mellowhny]

the worst part is that the school system and the parents are probably the most responsible for causing those traumas

[@tommasomaruffi1306]

Since I saw the community post about the video I started getting worried about Fizzi, I just hope that this video won't be her last trace in this world

[@electrifiedbathbomb7383]

I hope to be joining azeal in these streams more and i hope people spread the message

[@Cyro_Gen]

Makes me happy and I feel very lucky knowing I'm not in those institutions. At home I feel like I am trapped, and I'm sure a lot of people do. I'm not going to go writing out my story, because I'm not in the right position or place to share it, but when reason doesn't work, you have to fight your own way out. Probably useless, but a quote I feel everyone should here: "Everybody needs friends to help them, you can't fight alone forever."

[@chase1146]

Easily the scariest thing about this is that I’m listening to them talking and their slang and shit sounds so similar to prison slang. Like that shit is the exact same

[@StoneTall]

Areal, it's impressive to me how you stay biased and let people tell their story how they want to express it. I love what you do. Please keep being one of the good people in this world. Never stop helping others as long as you can handle it ❤

[@qwertydavid8070]

I seriously don't understand why parents think it's a good idea to send their kids to these types of programs instead of just sending them to therapy. Like, do they seriously think that some magical cabin in the woods is going to help their kids more than an actually educated and licensed professional? Imagine breaking a bone, and instead of going to the hospital, you go to a freaking drug dealer in a dark alleyway for help. That's essentially what these parents do.

[@fishman5618]

I'm a person who believes that humans have the ability to overcome anything with will and determination. Fizzi if you are able to see the comments on this video... Keep going Don't stop Your life is something precious and all of the people watching this video and keeping up to date with the community posts think that too. Stay safe.

[@berrywitch8930]

My brother was in a program like this in cocoa beach florida. They would call my mother to tell her why my letters to him were not approved. They once stopped one of my letter because i took pictures of our cats for him and a picture of an amy lee poster was in the back ground.

[@dedrxbbit7549]

So i may have mentioned this before in another comment thread, but I too was in therapy programs in Utah. I sarted off in Star Guides (wilderness program - mormon influence) for 4 months then went to White River Academy (Therapeutic Boarding School that was ran like an RTC with how strict it was - mormon influence as well as thieves for stealing $30k a month from multiple families’ insurance money) for 1 year and 1 month. Crazy this shit even exists.

[@annsuma28]

This intro was chilling. Thanks for the update in the comments but still.. it's so scary. Glad she's doing okay now

[@honeybun_bea]

Oh god, I can't believe I've never heard of this. I've lived in Utah for a while now and have heard abt many camps sorta similar to this and i cannot imagine how any of this is still happening and I've never heard of all this shit. I visited their website and its absolutely crazy how normal it seems, and how so many families could have been effected by this. I wish the best of luck towards this group and everyone who has been involved and hurt by these people.

[@ThePockyJocky]

The honeymoon phase thing kinda reminds me of what happens in basic training sometimes. They call it "Adjustment Disorder" but sometimes young adults can't adjust to the military environment and will talk about or actually commit suicide. If it's bad enough they'll actually separate you (send you home, effectively like you never even enlisted) but that process takes weeks or months to complete and by the end of it, it's quicker to just graduate basic and go to medical once you get to your first base/training school.

[@flextapeadhesive]

Dam bro this is so frustrating, having the feeling that you're the one happy while you know good hearted people like Fizz are going through shit like this. I wish I could do something.

[@a-listercrowley2737]

I can't imagine being the parent who sends away thier own blood to a group of strangers on planet Mars to fix the issue... like a dog who won't sit... 6 weeks later its back home on Xanax humping the couch... but now it sits on command... This one ended on a good note, but just hearing this brings a myriad of emotions Knowing that right now there are tons of lost souls on earth going through it... Only to come out warped and twisted on the other end ... its fucked up My heart truly goes out to all of them

[@tigerwizard6388]

A friend of mine was once basically kidnapped by thugs his mom hired and taken to one of those Utah outback programs, before being transferred to a special "therapeutic school" that was so bad it got shut down. These places are real, and parents, sometimes meaning well, don't realize how corrupt and extremely harmful they can be. All because he wanted to be a pro gamer, hell, with his skills he could have been.

[@ChummiaChan]

aw man I really hope the best in the world for her...

[@portalwinter2159]

Bro before I even started watching this I was just sad from the text at the beginning and I pray that Fizzy is doing good and has a good rest of their life

[@imthewokerbaby]

im so worried for fizzy, i hope it all turns out okay, and im sorry that happened all on call too....

[@Judie-Nator]

I'm so glad I didn't go far enough to go to one of these facilities. I was so close during Middle School, luckily I got my crap together before it happened.

[@ulasawua7149]

Leaving a comment for the algorithm. I'm sorry that you both had to go through this. This is so fucked up. Please, keep fighting, Luna.

[@zal-creates150]

I have a friend who was sent to a camp in Utah; I had never even stopped to think that it might be like this. Something needs to be done about these places.

[@jessemersman3231]

My soul just died a little.

[@catperson_1428]

i legit cannot believe this happens in the us. i feel so bad for the people that go through this…

[@jwcburst]

I am always a good person to lend my ear for things like this and giving some type of support after even though I have my own type of mental scars that I have had hidden in my mind

[@kailathefox]

If they are hidden in your mind, you have yet to address them and are in no position to really help people. I speak from experience. Having someone to talk to doesn’t do much when neither of you know what to do next. Talking to someone who is recovering and worked their ass off to become functioning? That’s productive.

[@heiakimsunofficialson2639]

I'm feeling rly lucky rn that I only got into closed ward, it was traumatizing and sucked but dang I can't even remotely compare it with this. Ppl who don't become crazy r admirable.

[@hicknopunk]

This horrifies me, it is so deeply disturbing. I volunteered with a company who would take kids out of juvie and there would be like 3 adults and about 20 kids. We would start out with day trips and do stuff like creating salmon spawning beds, reinforcing eroding banks next to ranches to keep rivers open. Then we would go on hikes deeper into the wild to maintain hiking trails, this would involve camping over night. The end of the program was a 3 day wilderness survival in the high deserts of eastern oregon. Oh I should mention, I am a country person with a lot of survival skills, so I was there as a survival expert to basically make sure we didn't get lost, die and I had the ability to call off any outing, for any reason. So the last thing we did was that 3 day survival. You got a folding military shovel, a canteen full of water and a thick wool army blanket. I would start fires with a lighter 🤣🤣 No reason to make it hard. They would use their skills to survive and they would make our decisions. I would try to be hands off. It was so cool to see how close the teens became, how much more trusting and self assure. Anyone who didn't tap out on the 3 days got to go to Bend for 1 night in a big house and we'd get pizza, ribs, ice cream, cake, pie, etc and they could watch movies, play loud music, game, just totally get a normal night as a teen before they had to finish their time. Completing the program got them reduced time. We were never abusive, never pushed them too hard. Yeah there were times we had to yell and posture, but we tried to make them trust and respect us, we never tried to break them down. It was all about building them up and making them realise with a slightly selfish mission, that they as one person could improve the environment and make the world a place they might want to live with. This Utah program should be illegal! 😦😠😠 Added: We adults payed for the Bend trip ourselves and officially it was just a boring night in a pre-paid house. We'd bring our own game systems, movies. We always asked them to play down how good it was if they could. They really deserved to feel like normal kids for a night.

[@kailathefox]

That sounds fucking amazing honestly??? Can you name the company? I’d honestly love to work for someone like that. I want to help people, but after I saw that therapy and psychiatry is a money grab, and they don’t have any intention on actually helping people, I’ve started to look for different routes. Survivalist camping saved me from taking my own life. It taught me that no matter what, I can, and do continue to survive, even through the hardest of days. It changed my perspective on survival, and I stopped being suicidal. After YEARS of trying to end my life, I finally found some kind of peace, because you don’t get much with cPTSD. I did learn to manage that better though, and it’s only really bad when the flare ups happen lol but that’s when I grab my backpack and head out. It helps so much.

[@hicknopunk]

@@kailathefox This was about 25 years ago. It had "natural resources" in the name. Or "natural resource something". It was in Oregon and we did stuff wherever we could find forestry or other state groups that would give us goals in a specific area. We worked with the juvie program in lane county specifically. I think Steve was the head guy. Maybe something like it still exists, but maybe we have become too intolerant of a society and prefer to send kids on hell trips...😓 Added: I dug around and while I can find programs in Oregon...oh boy, who knows if they are awful. You'd probably be best going down your rabbit hole. I would hate to misdirect you.

[@oo-vivian]

this shit should be illegal, there is no excuse for it

[@seigedrakonera5689]

I had an experience very similar, the only reason I got out when I did was because my family cought on an just raised hell, serious hell till they eventually deemed me not worth it an let me go. That place was HELL after three days in when I found out that most everyone working there either didn't care or were power tripping monsters that loved to play god. And they do little to nothing about the other more dangerous folks there would randomly hurt you but if you so much as pushed them off you YOU got punished! the worst of them all was this doctor with a severe god complex an a hatred for woman. His favorite thing was withhold panic attack meds until someone would break down an when you break down then you have to stay longer, their system was flawed by design to keep people as long as possible. The worst week was then I finally got to have phone privilege after my first week being in the lowest most restrictive floor. But it got pulled after my first day on the better flood an a nurse came an said "You know that all calls are recorded right? So Id stop "lying" if I were you." I got punished by having to wright down reasons why I should not have to go back to the most restricted floor. Letters were all looked through as well but I remember with my brother we as kids created a bizarre rune like alphabet for fun an remembered it till this day so being an artists would draw elaborate pictures with these rune-like-symbols in it. I could go on for days about those places an still bare some mental scarring to this day.

[@sageschroeder]

Damn, that all sounds like an environment ripe for abuse, whether financial/physical/sexual. I wish the best for these two…by the time I was 18 I was checked out mentally from everything, and could barely function. I had CPTSD but masked it so no one bothered to dig into why I was struggling; undiagnosed ADHD, GAD + panic attacks, severe performance anxiety, major depression, and substance abuse disorder. I could barely handle life and was just self medicating and barely surviving. Years and years later and it basically derailed my whole life trajectory. I still struggle, I’ve tried so many things…and the system is basically just as ineffectual as it was as a kid/teen. Mostly just gets in the way, and they expect you to handle more and more as you get older. I basically have had to learn all about my own issues and what to do with them, but they still won’t allow certain medications, or it’ll be too difficult or expensive to access a certain treatment/medication. There’s almost no support from the government to pay bills either so it’s just a scramble to work beyond my capacity all the time just to pay the bare minimum, renting a room and food. Disability is basically impossible. I hope that our society can eventually figure out how to raise kids, how to help people who have had emotionally/psychologically/sexually challenging upbringings, the real detrimental long term effects it has, and how to support people who struggle in adulthood due to mental health or poverty. It’s a hard Fkn hand some of us get dealt. I think awareness is getting better, slowly. Glad they have somewhere to put their message out to an audience. It’s a good thing that’s being done here. I hope fizzy is able to get gender confirmation treatment when she turns 18, or whatever she needs. I’m glad to hear she didn’t get dissapear into some shady camp, not that the mental ward is much better. Good job jack for staying clean from smoking bud. It’s harder than people think, when you’ve been depending on it heavily, especially while traumatized. Rant over…I just relate so much to this, and I wish these struggling young adults don’t get caged in by their own challenges and the shortcomings of society the way I have. If I was in a better place I would want to work in making that better, as it is I barely keep myself from becoming homeless. Take care, to anyone who’s barely getting through the day, who’s running out of hope, living in despair..I know it’s little comfort, but you’re not alone. We make it through, day by day…try not to completely lose hope, find the little joys, a good friend, a competent therapist, a doggo or kitty, anything that helps. ❤

[@Whathefox.]

That's the Troubled Teens Industry for you

[@astrius22]

Holy shit, what these people go through. I hope Fizzy is ok.

[@drzor2662]

Damn this title and begining text is just horrifing i hope they turn out okay. Pls let them be okay.

[@bliss5297]

its places like these that put a lot of negative light on the actual good places that actually want to help those with mental conditions. and the way the people are treated are like caged animals, not even being given a proper bed, it's just horrible. i honestly hope for the best for everyone who is harmed or abused by these facilities, and that more information about them gets out into the public. most of what they are doing should be considered illegal, but isn't, because they won't let anything escape closed doors or that they label themselves as something else to work as a loophole. I hope the corrupt facilities will burn to the ground, and the one business funding them gets liquidated and the money gets put to somewhere else that isn't mentally abusing adolescents and adults.

[@MynicknameisViolet]

This needs to be everywhere. The fact that people can kidnap others and put them in terrible mental health institutions like its last century is insane.

[@ArgentuTA164-2]

Yooooooo the ‘tism! Stay safe, hopes and prayers to y’all.

[@Silas-p7j]

I am so glad the tone changed! The last 15 or so minutes had me laughing my ass off.

[@dXPenguinXb]

This hurts so much to watch. I hope they're okay ;-; I've gone through lots of inpatient/RTC, and experienced some hell places. I hope they're okay

[@TVtheTV]

She got SEXUALLY ASSAULTED and they didn't let her leave???? oh my fucking god I'm just going to assume the TTI is like the hunger games, where children are tortured for the entertainment for adults, until proven otherwise.

[@theGreenChangeling]

I don't know her, but I did watch the recording of the live stream. The info text at the very start of this video was enough to get me teary eyed. I sincerely hope Fizzi gets out alive and well. On a side note, I am contemplating the idea of bringing this to the attention of Last Week Tonight, maybe get them to do a story on these facilities? Again, I hope Fizzi is okay, and if you manage to contact her let her know she has support from some random guy in Norway, for whatever it is worth.

[@neosstuff]

i hope her all the best and i feel so much remorse to her i feel better knowing im able to help her even the tiniest little bit from my patreon subscription

[@ren880t9]

Honestly I’m so lucky my parents didn’t give up on me and send me to a mental institution I must’ve been really tough on them but they didn’t give up even when I broke down from being bullied and broke a kids nose. I do hope Fizzy is okay and gets the help and love I got from my parents. Edit: High school DXD is the most cultured and best choice to watch on Crunchy Roll with the homies.

[@Luna.787]

havent seen the video yet, but seeing "keep fighting, Luna" makes me feel good about myself. (also, keep fighting lunas, y'all are very important)

[@H0r53f7y]

Hoping for the best for the poor dear🙏💖

[@littleperson8315]

i heard "in utah" and just thought "oh no"

[@Azeal]

Yep :/

[@thelovelybunny9012]

When someone becomes a parent, they sign up for the possibility of their child experiencing these kinds of things, and it's their job to help them through it. Sending their child to a camp IN ANOTHER STATE that they CANNOT VERIFY THE SAFETY OF is literally the worst thing they could do in that situation. It's physical and emotional abandonment on the worst level. They could be sending their child to a cult for all they know. Like hey, I know parenting is hard, and I'm not a parent, but I'm pretty sure it's common sense not to send your emotionally struggling child to a place you cannot physically reach them.

[@potatus6542]

I've never been in a situation like that but I feel so dreadful listening to that.

[@cadencannot]

I really hope your friend is okay! I have been to a institution down in south Georgia, and I agree it's the last place someone with 'problems', as parents call it, need to go to. It's just overall a terrifying place for someone who is already struggling to be at.

[@LorienInksong]

I'm afraid to watch this. As an adult I was abused by the healthcare system because of my cPTSD diagnosis. To think that children are in this situation...

[@melafyre]

I went to Aspiro (a few years ago). It was hell. And I have been through hell. And I'm so glad that she's out. It does get better - a lot better, but the troubled teen industry needs to stop.

[@sawyerjohnston2544]

This video fuels my revolutionary view against our government for not doing nothing about these horrible systems

[@redtachyon2718]

Oh my god... I don't know how to feel about this. Thank you so much for letting us know about these sorts of things.

[@doubleactiondiz2498]

I can't even fathom that institutions like this exist.

[@mikanova.]

"You can't scare me" Azeal says in a cute avatar sdjhfghjfds

[@Azeal]

:>

[@meemmahn2856]

I saw mental hospital and Utah and immediately thought: "oh jesus"

[@PoeticYeti]

I hope that everything gets sorted out okay

[@jenise21]

This also shows an underlying problem. Not just mental health, but the fact that adults tend to treat children like objects than actual people. Yes they're a child and they're inexperienced about a lot of shit in the world, but they're still people. They're people who have feelings not your fucking clay to be forced to do whatever you want it to do.

[@RageOfBeef]

as i call it, this is obvious consequences of the "mommy/daddy knows best" ideology that we let take root in our country and have really toxic people arguing to keep aside from where it suits them, (ie children cant be gay or trans BUT age of consent should be abolished and they should be getting pregnant, a fun ideologue spread by matt walsh and by process of affiliation and lack of condemnation ben shapiro and his ilk)

[@severren1095]

There is definitly a mental health crisis in the united states. There is also a lack of knowing how to handle people who fall under the Autism Spectrum Disorder. I have my own problems im dealing with Im on Meds im on regular contact with my doctors I let them know "Hey I want to increase This because This" Spread the word about the problem. I hope things get better for Fizzy and everyone in these programs. One thing thats helped. Distress tolerance its from DBT