I Might've Found the CHAMPION of Beginner Saxophones!?

Yes, I am late to the party. But, wow - if I knew about this horn (the Jean Paul AS400) when I was in middle school, I would literally be Charlie Parker right now. Just kidding, that's not how it works. I am forever inferior to Mr. Parker. But still, this horn is amazing. I seriously recommend it!
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Table of Contents:
0:00 - Intro
0:49 - Jean Paul AS-400SP
0:59 - Unboxing Begins
1:27 - Analyzing the Case
2:45 - Contents Inside the Case
4:36 - Revealing the Saxophone
5:19 - Showcasing 5 Saxes
5:41 - Jesse’s First Impressions
6:53 - Comparing 5 Saxes (Jazz Setup)
7:46 - Comparing 5 Saxes (Classical Setup)
9:15 - Honest Thoughts AS-400SP
10:52 - Outro
11:13 - Ritual
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[@Saxologic]

All student horns wear out within a few months. That’s largely why they are cheaper than say... a $7,000+ Selmer Supreme that I am saving up for (spoiler?); to allow you to play an affordable saxophone long enough to decide if you want to get serious and upgrade to a more expensive + durable model. I was notified recently that if you break your Jean Paul, Jean Paul is the only company that can replace the parts and fix it. A few repairmen have been cranky at me that I failed to realize this sooner (sorry!). However, I was also notified by many people that Jean Paul’s customer service is great and they deliver very fast. I’ve had multiple horns in the past break on me and I sent it to a local repair shop, waited WEEKS, yet it still never came back complete. There was always a new issue. So the odds are in your favor if you’re able to send your sax to the actual company that made your horn, so you can get it back like brand new. Just some things to keep in mind if you think about buying this horn!

[@LowReedExpert1]

Be sure to pin this my man!

[@Saxologic]

@@LowReedExpert1 oops I thought I did haha thanks!

[@taylorandersen5163]

I'm a full time woodwind tech and have repaired quite a few of these. All horns are the same, it's no different than working on vintage horns with no parts availability, If I can't order the part, I fabricate it. The repairs often times become more costly but the end result is always the same, the horn leaves the shop in working order.

[@Jackson-ol5xt]

The other thing I noticed about the John Paul is the key action seems very clinky and loud. The sound I think is very good for a student horn, but as you said, it would wear out in a couple of months and technique wise, a pro horn will have better, closer, and less audible key action than the John-Paul.

[@stevel6895]

There's nothing supreme enough to spend 7K on any horn, especially a Selmer. If I was in the market for a new alto I would get a Ishimori, at $3700 it's the best value for your money hands down.

[@ZackGrooves]

NATHAN NO KNIVES DAMMIT

[@calebflores3029]

HEY ZACK!!!! ._.

[@thenotoriusbp]

chop chop

[@Drakeplaystrumpet]

YOOOOOOO ZACK

[@Saxologic]

( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)

[@joshhuffman4286]

Don’t challenge him

[@MacMinecraft]

hahah I lost it when you didn't give up on the knife joke in front of your friend 😂. He looked legit concerned

[@alexanderquiroz]

I am new to this channel and loved the knife bit, what other videos does it happen in?

[@MacMinecraft]

@@alexanderquiroz every unboxing video that required a knife hah. For example kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKizq6WgqMenqtU

[@alexanderquiroz]

@@MacMinecraft ok thank you, I will watch them all!

[@user-zq4rg6zt4s]

For life 's sake! My name is taiga. I'm Japanese. I'm almost a high school student. I play the sax every day. Your video is so interesting! And you're so cool! I respect you. I'm a fan. I have two requests for you. One is 'TANK!' I want you to play the song. It's particularly the solo part. Secondly, I would like to ask you to be an artist called kouhei Ueno. He is a Japanese sax player. I really respect you. Finally, say a word. Music has nothing to do with the border. ↓ ↓

[@user-zq4rg6zt4s]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIfWmJ5_epKFfsk

[@user-zq4rg6zt4s]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYbPi62NZbSnf68

[@user-zq4rg6zt4s]

www.amazon.co.jp/BREATH-J-S-Bach%C3%97Kohei-Ueno-%E4%B8%8A%E9%87%8E%E8%80%95%E5%B9%B3/dp/B075XN33BB/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?adgrpid=108568722647&dchild=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwgOGCBhAlEiwA7FUXkgJue-5uPn5sKGcGDqVn1U0j9j9IGpT7gcwEHcvqCO_sa53Jenwo1xoCT6EQAvD_BwE&hvadid=451426377056&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=1009789&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=10394065994983716636&hvtargid=kwd-594609418066&hydadcr=17549_11199135&keywords=%E4%B8%8A%E9%87%8E%E8%80%95%E5%B9%B3+%E3%83%90%E3%83%83%E3%83%8F&linkCode=plm&qid=1616446201&sr=8-1

[@user-zq4rg6zt4s]

6:10

[@meso985]

Yes, Tank from Cowboy Bepop, I love that song!

[@sisface23]

I am a returning player and recently purchased a silver Jean Paul. I had to have a silver one, they are so pretty! The first one I received had some problems (neck was too loose and was leaking air, among some other smaller issues). Jean Paul's customer service is excellent and I was able to get a replacement, which just arrived on Friday. I can tell that the neck fits well this time and i'll have it checked out by a local repair guy , but so far so good. It is beautiful and fun to play! The accessories I got are a little different than yours. In addition to the things you got, I also received a Rico 2.5 reed, a Rico H ligature, a cleaning swab, and the mouthpiece I got was labeled as AS-4 Optima. Anyway, even though the first one I received had some problems, I would still recommend getting one because of their great customer service. Tim was responsive and helped me through every step of the way. I had to wait a few weeks for the replacement because they were out of stock of the silver saxes. I feel like they are going to sell out again quickly now that you've made this video. :) I also ordered a Better Sax, so when I receive it..I'll have to make a video for the ultimate showdown between the Jean Paul and Better Sax.

[@bluscorpion]

Me too, I'd love to see that.

[@1kitts]

So what's the verdict with Better Sax?

[@sisface23]

@@1kitts well, I ended up returning it, but I'm not saying it was a bad saxophone and I would still recommend giving it a try. I liked how fast the action felt on it and I liked the ergonomics on it better than the Jean Paul. but aesthetically I liked the Jean Paul better because I love the silver plate. I had some problems with gurgling in low notes but I think the mouthpiece may have had a lot to do with it. I believe they upgraded the mouthpiece that comes with the Better Saxes now, so i think that will help. My local tech also found some air leaks, but those can be fixed with some simple adjustments. At the time, I was trying out a bunch of saxophones and ended up getting a Yani AWO1 for my birthday. I didn't need 3 altos, so I decided to return the Better Sax while I was still in the 30-day return window (the return was easy too). Unfortunately, I ended up in a time crunch and wasn't able to make the comparison video as I had planned. I hope this quick overview helps!

[@1kitts]

@@sisface23 Aaaawwwww you're sweet. Thanks much for taking the time out to do that quick summary. Appreciate much. I have been considering the Better Sax or the Jean Paul... and yes, I guess you've guessed why-- they both have a sweet spot in terms of price. I guess my biggest problem would be my location. I'm in the Caribbean, and so testing before buying would be impossible since I'll have to order from online. Surprisingly, the last time I checked, I haven't seen any reviews on Better Sax saxophone except from Better Sax channel. I'm supposing that you kept the Jean Paul and liking it.

[@focusfernand0]

You should play Better Sax’s saxophone next :O

[@camry2k279]

or a bari

[@Saxologic]

It will happen one of these days

[@Dublin_N]

@@Saxologic PLEASE try the BS-600 or another "cheap" bari sax soon. I am dying to see you try Bari

[@stephenwhitney2666]

Oh yeah I’d love to see bari content I just started out on bari I think I’d be cool

[@ELIDABEASTELIJAHULYSSE]

@@Saxologic would you reccomend this for even pro players?

[@TheAvenger732]

Don’t know if you’ll see this, but you should totally start your next video with the long “Heeeeyyyyyyy” you used to do 🤣

[@Saxologic]

Do you like those? Lol

[@randimator9881]

@@Saxologic yes

[@TheAvenger732]

@@Saxologic Oh yeah 😉😂

[@spambabswerpants7498]

@@Saxologic yeah, lol

[@evanstaf18]

@@Saxologic yes

[@DashB-ee9ty]

I play alto and tenor sax, both Yamaha, and I recently bought a trumpet, from the brand of Jean Paul. It’s a very good instrument, and I would definitely recommend the company, because of the genuine care for their instruments, and the great customer service.

[@georgeluna5845]

I got me a JP400, silver 5 months ago. Great horn! I play an hour/hour and a half daily. It’s still holding up nicely and has a beautiful sound.

[@xandermegaman6906]

I just got my Jean Paul tenor sax in the mail a week and a half ago! It is absolutely amazing! I’m probably going to add their soprano sax to my collection in the new future. Great video Nathan!

[@darraghmccarthy6961]

The editing literally consisted of correcting the $500 to $600 every 22 seconds lmao😎

[@FoolishFrankie]

This is the horn I currently play on both alto and tenor! I love it!

[@Saxologic]

Is it really?

[@FoolishFrankie]

@@Saxologic yes dude!!

[@AllenTSmith]

Me too! I love them.

[@charley6076]

I am playing on a silver tenor Jean Paul as well, it's a great horn and would 10/10 recommend. Also I love your videos on tiktok.

[@vernonmoss315]

I like how he has his own sound with nooooo additional effects its just perfect one in a million😁😁😁😁

[@kitkatman6940]

Ngl this knife got dangerously close more than usual

[@elsewhere7016]

Been watching these guys for a year now right after quarantine started and they have not disappointed yet.

[@MaiseNow]

Thank you for comparing this to other brands and price points! I'm researching horns to buy for my first sax and I thought I was going to buy an intermediate tier one just so I didn't outgrow it, but now I think I'm gonna get a Jean Paul! 💖

[@Kurteously]

I always get excited to seeing the endings of your videos

[@lelarivera8526]

Lol great video! I have the silver Jean Paul tenor. Played beautifully right out of the box and I’m in love! Thanks for the video!

[@Johnwilkinsonofficial]

8:17 say you AFFECTED A MODULATION. this sounds sophisticated and impressive

[@maskedgamer1920]

A week later JP is gonna bring this horn up to $1200 lolololol

[@danielmekuria2212]

still $500

[@maskedgamer1920]

@@danielmekuria2212 wow cooked

[@DerrickDes]

I started teaching myself sax again last august, and this is the alto I brought, I love it

[@pgroove163]

I might jump on one...I was thinking 🤔 about getting an old vintage martin but now might get this....

[@Lucia-kk4kn]

Yamaha is a trusty horn , they survive from damages and repairments over the year quite well. Lets see how the Jean Paul performed after the same amount of time

[@oliverkmusic7525]

Jesse is a great addition to these kinds of videos

[@bigmac9011]

6:53 I loved playing Scrapple when I was in high school! The head is so catchy

[@noelbeltran2651]

“Oh No, Im almost late” (runs faster) Hahahahha your humor is the best Nathan

[@profitleads]

Thank you for an unbiased view of another good solid instrument that is so well suited for a beginning (or possibly intermediate) student. If this horn really does have the construction quality and durability to provide a reliable instrument for a few years, then it seems more probable that it will provide a beginning student with a good platform for learning the basics and developing good skills and technique for the later years if and when he or she may decide that they really want to advance their skills and experience in music. It hasn't been that many years ago that the purchasing of a cheap Chinese-manufactured instrument provided far more frustration for a beginning student than renting a good quality (albeit more expensive) instrument. I wish such a comparable instrument/price point had been available 60 years ago, when I began playing tenor sax in the 7th grade.

[@rykerreese1295]

I got a Juan Paul a few months ago and I think it’s great!

[@nltpjudahstudio7207]

You are a humble guy. Have a blessed day

[@exnomm]

favorite duo.

[@l.j.2917]

The thumbnail is awesome! 👍🏼 And way to go with the camera angles too! 👌🏼

[@thatboynaynaycubingandlego2065]

You a real one Nathan thanks for answering

[@chaoticcreature8896]

My favorite line so far "It's very.....strappy." 😂 I love this man. ❤️🎷

[@davidclaro152]

Wow! My YAS-23 has gone up in value. My parents paid around $720 for that horn. Still have it and it’s great!

[@gusmarrero]

Great sax and that silver finish!!!! Great review!

[@kennyleung1835]

so happy to see Nathan! btw u 2 look like a giant at 07:00 in this camera and light setting!

[@erickjuarez3782]

When these two guys get popular we’re going to be the OG fans. Great future ahead for these two.

[@actiniteviewer]

I can't lie. You are naturally hilarious!

[@zoenicole826]

Nathan's new merch: 🗡😈 "nah nah, just kidding"

[@alfiemckenzie2493]

I like how PH is playing in the background 😂

[@FunkOsax]

It really did sound the best, I was quite shocked

[@jeremysmith1120]

I own a couple cannonball horns and I live them! Great videos!

[@1mol_wAter]

I don’t know a thing about saxophone but after one video I am now addicted to this channel and I can’t help it, and I think it is going to cause some problems but I think I’m just going to watch your video for the next 3 hours for now

[@ArsenalTheProtogen]

apart from my school instrument, this was actually my first saxophone, so its neat to see a review on it

[@GetYourSaxTogether]

Damn, I need to get myself a sidekick/co-host! So boring making vids on your own the whole time! 😂 great content Nathan as always - super funny and informative. I always look forward to your content! Re the JP sax, one of my young students has one and it’s fantastic. It’s been more than a year now and it’s still in pretty good condition. I think maybe a couple of teeny things went wrong but hardly anything. Awesome. Congrats on your channel man, you deserve all your phenomenal success and I can’t wait to see how your content and career develops over the years to come! Jamie 😊

[@bluscorpion]

You do a great job, though! If you're bored, I can't tell.

[@channingshows6634]

Another beginner/intermediate horn I’d highly recommend is Music Medic’s Wilmington alto. Music medic does some really good work and their intermediate horn is honestly competitive with many modern professional horns today imo

[@ws8080]

Their Wilmington beginner model is just under $1K and Out of Stock. The intermed is $1600. So you are comparing an intermediate instrument at 3x the price? Not an equitable comparison.

[@channingshows6634]

@@ws8080 which is why I didn’t really bring up the beginner horn too much and really emphasized the intermediate as an intermediate. The only real reason I brought the beginner/intermediate part was to establish a non professional horn. There’s always this conception in saxophone land that you have to drop all this money for a professional horn straight from a beginner, and depending on the person that might not always be the play. So having an intermediate horn worked on by one of the most reknowned saxophone repair technicians in the world for significantly cheaper than any professional model isn’t talked about enough. So that’s why I bring up an intermediate horn in the comment section of a beginner horn

[@HahnJames]

I ordered a new Jean Paul SS-400SP early in March. That's the silver curved soprano sax. After about a week of playing, the pad fell out of the octave key on the neck and I couldn't find the pad.. Instead of just sending a new pad or neck, Jean Paul sent me an entire replacement sop. I was used to playing a straitght soprano sax so, playing a curved one took a bit of getting used to.

[@luisac1820]

A big hug from Colombia, i love your videos!

[@dannyb4314]

Might be interesting to do a blind test comparing each of those horns

[@user-zt3dv5cl4b]

Man...what a beauty!

[@norabiddogz8673]

I was very curious about this horn. I play the trumpet, but one day I wish to pick up the saxophone. Either Alto or Soprano first. Needless to say, Jean-Paul has a definite new future customer. I've heard their trumpets are good too.

[@synargy460]

I finally found what that sax part is from when they were testing all of the saxophones. It's from Scrapple from the Apple by Charlie Parker

[@hectordeleon1712]

Congratulations. Keep it up real.

[@alztero]

1:06 BRO'S INTRUSIVE THROUGHTS ARE INSANE 💀

[@anthonypuente9072]

You had me wheezing with that knife bit

[@andrewcasillas1765]

YOooooo So I almost bought that horn within the past year, instead I bought the Al-290 which augie bello advertises for sam ash! It was just more price wise than the jean paul and I'm happy with it, but yall make me wish I got that one with the silver finish its so SAXY so true so true haha

[@xaviercarr5794]

More videos with the Jean Paul pls!!!

[@barisaxboi8303]

Love the video! do you ever plan to do a bari sax video?

[@Saxologic]

One day!!

[@thedevined7324]

love your vids man

[@61mab]

That is so beautiful that I want to buy one in silver when I actually want a Tenor to take my most loved Clarinet keys lower (plus nice to know I don't have to cover a hole that seems like cheating to me) 😁

[@BrazillianFOsho]

the cannonball vintage reborn sounds so nice

[@marvinparadroid]

Really impressive for that price! Nice video man, i will maybe recommend it to my students. May i ask you what are the tracks that you used as background? Was it you right?

[@germanempireball8741]

I got my clarinet from this company,and it worked great,lasted me the whole year,came with swab and was very high quality

[@fwest6347]

Love your videos and your humor, have you ever thought about doing a review of the Yamaha CM (Custom series)? I cant seem to find any info about them on YT.

[@joaquinmendoza2306]

Thanks for the amazing content as always!!! And how have you been getting your bss reeds. They have been sold out for such a long time!(sadly) Also, can you please one day try the better sax BURNIN mouthpiece that just came out. And I love that knife joke you always make lmao.

[@stickyvalve1032]

What a legend

[@jacobbass6437]

Wooooo damn that sax is purdy.

[@sam-jams6689]

The Vintage Reborn looks incredible Did you make a review of that one?

[@suedunbar4287]

Hey, new subscriber and retired band director. What is your warmup when comparing your beginner horns? I’d love to see it and use it. If it’s in your sax method book, let me know. Thanks! Keep up the content!

[@brianfroehling]

Just bought it Brother! I've had the tenor Jean Paul for a few years and still marvel at how well it plays. So I had to have the silver alto........now how to pay for it? LOL Awesome review guys! Really appreciate it.

[@justinh6651]

Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's beginner saxophone.

[@kaivrock]

“Very strappy “ LOL!!

[@isaiahhymans948]

Honestly, you may not even do a review on this, but I recently bought the Jean Baptiste 290 AL Alto. It honestly sounds exactly like the Jean Paul Alto

[@1cleandude]

As a potential audience member who would pay to hear you playing I couldn’t discern two dollars difference between any of those horns!

[@user-qe8pe7yr6d]

Guys, A suggestion, when putting a mouthpiece on grab the sax neck to protect the neck from all the torque that can happen with a tight fit.

[@jerryhan4034]

Their bromance is getting stronger

[@jazzer1391]

I see the knife "Nah, he will not do it this time..." I was wrong Great video btw!

[@JuNpwr]

Hey great video! Do you recommend buying Eastar for someone who never played saxophone? I want to start learning to play and start with an inexpensive unit

[@Dannys.channel]

Wow Jean Paul sounds great

[@2005rosebud]

To Mr. Saxologic? What is the exercise you were doing on all of the different horns? I will have my teacher show me the exercise if you can give tell me what you were doing in the exercise. Congrats on the new old selmer mark 6 you sounded great on it. Thanks

[@missm25]

Is there a book you recommend for exercises to help improve on tone? I've been playing for 9 years but my tone hasn't really improved at all, most of the time being spent in high school and middle school where my director didn't really teach me how I could improve. Or do you have any videos on that I could check out?

[@ketong71]

I actually liked the Jean-Paul better than the Cannonball. But, I still preferred the Yamaha. Great video!

[@CrowOGS]

Silver hits different

[@MrRASH-ig3vc]

I actually play acoustic guitar but a sax is close enough. Great video

[@7deepbreaths.sounds]

Okay....I really need the backstory on this recurring knife thing that manifests in almost every video....and YO...that JP Alto really SHINES BRIGHTLY!!

[@Saxologic]

Thanks for checking out my stuff man! Appreciate the support :) As for the knife scene, tbh, I don’t remember when or why it started. But I like to stick to traditions haha

[@yoshitravelsjapan]

Hi i really enjoy your review videos Recently I've been looking at antigua saxophones and i wonder if you have ever tried one of their horns! Id like to know your thoughts

[@jacobfrey7101]

One of these days, he won't actually be joking 😳

[@greysonyachym2496]

Would recommend getting a special reed for jazz band next year or should I stick with the cane reds I have

[@DanielSmith_19]

I'm so proud to be a saxophonist

[@Destiny1m]

What mouth piece did you use during the Jean Paul AS 400 review?

[@rileydavismusic1565]

what was the classical set up u played. it seems like a good exercise to train fingers

[@vincentn337]

Make a video on the technique you used to memorize your music for solos

[@sam-jams6689]

Hey man, I love your channel! This video is quite helpful too, I've never really been drawn to pictures of silver saxophones before, but that one does look pretty amazing. I want to ask you - the music you have playing in the 'Showcasing 5 Saxes' section of the video - what is that track? I'm a big fan! Is it one of yours?

[@sam-jams6689]

Just quietly, it's become my ultimate foreseeable sax goal to be able to play that! I'm about a month and a half in right now ^^

[@Saxologic]

Yes, it was the final part of my brother ZackGrooves’ drum contest video!

[@sam-jams6689]

@@Saxologic Niceeeee - that video is great too. Thanks for making me aware of your brother's channel, I've got a drum kit too afterall

[@mejcaprod1413]

I found this quite interesting and I maybe would want to buy one but do you think it is good for Jazz pllaying?

[@ericramirez5181]

ordered one bc of u tnx!

[@Mob-tq7gv]

1:45 my clarinet section leaders case is a backpack that he just wears around and wish they made that for bass clarinet but it might be a little heavy.

[@tears_of_heck]

Yo i cannot wait to get one.

[@peppi4443]

Nice comparison! Where can I find the lick from 7:47 ? Greetings from Germany!

[@MrDarkhunter789]

Hey what’s the song(s) in the background around 9:30 towards the end of the vid?? Sounds dope I’d love to find it!! Also great vid as usual!!

[@MrDarkhunter789]

@Keanan Whats the title/the video you are referring to? I am having trouble finding it.

[@MrDarkhunter789]

@Keanan I may be tripping but it doesnt sound like the song playing in the background at 9:30 no? Appreciate the help so far but I am still confused.

[@prestothegecko7891]

So I looked up cheep saxes and there’s this brand called muslady… it speaks for its self. I want to see you try it

[@HB-ve4wi]

Thanks for another great vid! Clearly, the horn doesn't make the sound, so it's probably all about intonation and player comfort ... I guess? I'd love you to try a Better Sax sax. :)