I played Dragon Age Origins AFTER The Veilguard...

and it made me a little bit sad :(
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[@jayveeeee]

It's crazy how you can play small parts of a game over the course of a couple years, even enjoy the preview event, then find the final game disappointing. It just goes to show you don't really know how you're going to like something until you play the final product 😢

[@ForLand344]

@@jayveeeee hi

[@ForLand344]

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[@sigma.wr8]

true dat

[@lordfickle8900]

I'm definitely one of the people that was super excited for Veilguard. Despite my worries, I genuinely thought Bioware was going to pull through and deliver a GOTY. Sadly that was not the case. At least we still have the older games, eh?

[@t.n7648]

I´ve found city elf to be one of the best backgrounds and personally my favourite one, even more so if you go for female. If you do that, then your intro gets changed, your fionce gonna die trying to free you if I remember correctly. On top of that you are still reminded in gauntlet and fade sequence, about leaving Shianni and alienage which is both quite gut punchy and raw. Besides Ferelden was supposed to be the more progressive in terms of elfs being second class citizens in comparison to Tevinter, which was supposed to be basically big work camp. Instead we get this Disney ride through Tevinter with moustache twirling mages who do evil things, while elves still holding some sort of power. In Neve´s opening quest, you end up dissrupting blood mage ritual which ressults into you aprehanding the criminal to templar commander and his dady, who both comes out of nowhere the second you beat the guy, and after which the blond blue eyed white criminal goes on you basically saying "Heil Hydra" straight to your face after he gets a free pass. At that point I was just thinking HOW ? ! HOW did we get in here from Origins ? ! Even the "best" parts of Veilguard are often simply forgetable. Davrin, Bellara seems to be the most flashed out in their journey. Davrin questline seems to be the best and closely tied to Blight. Bellara while awfully Disney-ish she as a character is, her arc gets fairly dark and depressing in its later stage, being dominantly about the cope with mistakes and loss. Emerich to me seems to be as missed opportunity, i think that they could have done far more with his character than just being this mr. oldnice guy. Wynne from Origins is a perfect example of this, as she often acts as an adult in the room in comparison with Emmerich and his sceleton with brain of 5 years old. Neve comes to me also as a missed opportunity, but that is deeply tied to how flawed a portrayal of Tevinter is. Lucanis is totally boring for the same reasons Emerich and Neve are. Harding is just even worse and I am missing dwarven exclussive hub, that Kalsharok sequence was cool but too short for my liking. And the worst character arc gets Taash, her "faction" seems to be the least flashed out. It seems to me that the entire faction and reasoning behind its existence is simply there to be last minute addition as to be the placeholder for Taash. She/they personally acts as a spoiled 15 year old brat. She plays the opression olympics while at same time picking on Emerich for his personal beliefs and identity, not respecting his personal space, and on top of that her comments are often immature and childish, and thar screaming soundtrack which comes in her missions i simply hate.

[@Athrun82]

A little sidenote for the city elf origin story. If you unequip the weapons and change your clothes (no blood visible) the guardsmen will play a game of dice and command you to pour them drinks. You can then give them poisoned drinks killing them all in an instant. This can be done for the male AND female city elf. A nice little touch if you ask me

[@johannesseyfried7933]

You can also keep stuff you steal out of the basement of the Mage Tower if it isn't equipped. Sure, the entire wizard staff you steal isn't amazing but it is a tiny bit stronger than your starting staff.

[@nobleconsejera5278]

Oooh, thank you! I knew that that option existed, but if been trying to figure out how to make it happen!

[@drparadox7833]

I did not know that and I ppayed it for YEARS.

[@rakuloe]

Played this game so many times and I didnt even know that. Time to start over as city elf it seems haha.

[@shadowpathfinder7723]

Waking up the guard sleeping at his post just to Murder Knife him and get the concerned commentary from the cousin elf was the best option in that start

[@AlisSpark]

David Gaider was one of the lead writers of Bioware until 2016 when he left the company and he was the creator of the Dragon Age universe and lead writer for all DAO, DA2 and DAI. He made the following post online about him leaving the company years back: "Writing is one of those disciplines which is constantly undervalued. It's something that everyone thinks they can do ("I can write a sentence! I know what story is!"), and frankly the difference between good and bad writing is lost on many, anyhow. So why pay much for it, right? In games, you even see this attitude among those who want to get into the field. "I don't have any REAL skills... I can't art, I can't program, so I guess I'll become a writer? It's better than QA!" As if game writing didn't require any actual skill which requires development. Even BioWare, which built its success on a reputation for good stories and characters, slowly turned from a company that vocally valued its writers to one where we were... quietly resented, with a reliance on expensive narrative seen as the "albatross" holding the company back. Maybe that sounds like a heavy charge, but it's what I distinctly felt up until I left in 2016. Suddenly all anyone in charge was asking was "how do we have LESS writing?" A good story would simply happen, via magic wand, rather than be something that needed support and priority."

[@PamperedDuchess]

@@AlisSpark Funny. It seems to me the albatross was the ship's good luck 'til some idiot killed it.

[@ArcaneTuber]

But then this year he was defending Dragon Age The Veilguard and calling people who criticize it "f***ing tourists". 😕

[@monozuki]

@@ArcaneTuber Can you link this? I googled it but only found a reddit post about him saying he does not want to play it due to not wanting to know whether it's good or bad because it would be hard either way. Which is an entirely understandable take.

[@Adanu191]

@@monozuki He tweeted about it and there were articles written about it as well as youtube videos. If they're gone, it was actively censored off the internet by the wokie machine trying to pretend this game was good.

[@monozuki]

@@Adanu191 Yeah, was able to find one later on, hence my second reply above. To me, he simply misunderstands - whether intentionally or not - the difference between inclusivity and "wokeness".

[@Dip-z8q]

In DAO Duncan kills Jory to keep the joining ritual a secret. In DAV Davrin just spills it randomly in banter with Taash, and shrugs when called out on it.

[@ana-mariabobe1762]

@@Dip-z8q And I always believed he did it because they were technically using a blood magic ritual, something the Chantry would have taken exception at, that Jory was killed.

[@Dip-z8q]

@@ana-mariabobe1762 The only ones who'd care are darkspawn -Davrin

[@ana-mariabobe1762]

@@sw-gs Wow, take all the stakes out :)

[@ana-mariabobe1762]

@@Dip-z8q 🤣🤣🤣

[@andreasmangs3131]

Probably because the writer of failguard used Trash as a self insert and Trash is the real hero.

[@kvant13]

0:40 Duncan's voice actor, Peter Renaday, sadly passed away just a few weeks ago. RIP

[@thomasjenkin26]

the darkspawn finally got him... a sad day indeed

[@edgelessuser5]

I would of loved to hear him voice in dragon age one last time RIP

[@nanyafahkinbiznes1352]

He probably heard about the Bharve. Maker rest his soul....

[@Daladun]

@@kvant13 couldn't deal with the Failguard

[@weareharbinger914]

and with his passing came Veilguard? Wow, thats like a horrible foreshadowing or something.

[@AlienCookie360]

Turn an entire town to zombies, blood sacrifice a mother, bang a demon, stab a child. And that's just half of one quest line (Origins really is the best)

[@GuilhermeLPC]

Redcliffe is peak RPG.

[@Jambara]

I liked the option to talk your best friend to lose his virginity to bang a witch in a pagan ritual so she could give birth a demon god.

[@asrafkhalid1231]

@@GuilhermeLPC peak dark fantasy

[@SHLN-y4s]

Yessss, not to talk about the options with the Dalish Elves and in Orzzamar or in the cult like Heaven in the mountains. Absolute peak.

[@tyfyh622]

zombies? What was that quest?

[@RaydivatheWriter]

The humor in DA:O made the really dark scenes hit harder. It's been years since I've played, and I still can't forget the Broodmother.

[@neolithiumproduction]

Same, I have the best sort of trauma from the Broodmother and that damn song the dwarf sang before meeting her. @_@

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Ah, yes Ogrhen burping and farting because ha ha drunk dwarf really makes the process of making Broodmothers hit harder than if didn't burp.

[@blackthorne2001]

ah yes, the broodmother and hespith poem is very creepy.

[@ParanoidAandroid]

Origins was a masterpiece. It's heartbreaking they were never able to reach these heights ever again. That was peak Bioware and it's been downhill ever since.

[@Amaranthine1000]

Don't forget about Mass Effect.

[@ParanoidAandroid]

@@Amaranthine1000 Mass Effect was an excellent series (up to 3), but i think nothing surpasses Dragon Age: Origins

[@JohnDoe-dr9ff]

@@ParanoidAandroidThat’s hard to gauge. Mass Effect was a damn good trilogy (we will not speak of Andromeda 😂).

[@Martial_Autist]

@@ParanoidAandroid For me personally I think their best work ever is KOTOR and BG, but DA:O is also way up there. To think they could go from that to this.

[@CommenjouerFr-gplus]

We may see these king of writing but from independant writers who're not under the influence of corporates interested in profits. But I agree, it's sad to see Dragon Age fall from grace.

[@khamankhoma8232]

The first Dragon Age is a master class in world building and storytelling. The replay value alone was unreal.

[@peckneck2439]

The difference between origins and Veilguard is astronomical. Imagine Lothering. Literally nothing but agony, pain and fear no matter where you go. Chantry being basically overworked to the bone, doomsayers making everyone feel depressed and scared, people getting mugged in broad daylight, massive spiders literally just around the corner praying on humans, a child waiting for mother that will never return, elven family not having anywhere to go, caged qunari waiting for death, opportunistic traders taking advantage of the poor, locals foolishly believing they can defend themselves with few traps, All this in one small area of the map. And you know what's most depressing? That you can actually help some of these people out, but it won't matter anyway because the blight will sweep through them anyway. THIS is the difference between Origins and Failguard. Origins actually had balls to show some really difficult imagery, meanwhile Veilguard is too afraid to let people call someone an idiot.

[@prastagus3]

Veilguard is made for young teenagers who love Disney and maybe confused about their identity ........

[@chrisdiokno5600]

To me, Veilguard is trying a bit TOO hard to be heroic fantasy

[@chrisdiokno5600]

@@prastagus3 Confused may be a bit of an exaggeration, to an extent

[@prastagus3]

@@chrisdiokno5600 maybe

[@BlueLighteningGojo]

Just think of the consequences that come with failing to help out Redcliffe as well. All those people perish if you decide to leave the map and travel elsewhere.

[@SpecShadow]

Usually 1st entry in the series either didn't age well or wasn't that good. But in case of Dragon Age 1st entry is the best one...

[@bronzin1445]

Hell, it’s BioWare’s magnum opus as far as I’m concerned. Better than Mass Effect and Star Wars: KOTOR

[@Daddo-Penguin]

really good entry but sadly crashes a lot for me which is unfortunate cause the character writing and dialogue is just so good.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

​@@Daddo-Penguin you need to download and apply the 4GB patch.

[@Daddo-Penguin]

@@SeventhheavenDK *sighs* if only the patch came with the game I would of known...

[@primaljoker3040]

It's crazy I remember when everyone was hating it and looking forward to 2 and once 2 came out it's switched and orgins became legendary

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

Origins is one of the best Fantasy Rpgs, It has brilliant narrative and world building

[@bronzin1445]

No exaggeration, I currently have 1700 hours on Origins alone. The replayability of this game is damn near infinite

[@muzien87]

@@bronzin1445 also, you can do everything in the game in roughly 50 hours. every single minute of it is 10/10. baldurs gate 3 may be better (to me) but man, its a game i can and will only play once every year or so, but origins you can fire up and knock out a full playthrough in about a week of off and on playing. BG3 is amazing for it scope beign so big but origins is also great for the same reason, its a fraction of the play time but every second is perfection

[@Mikoxz]

Still is. Also mods 👌🏻

[@burningsheep4473]

I will never understand this love for Dragon Age - Origins to be honest. While it has been years and years that I have played it, I have never been as frustrated with any other RPG. Mostly because of the unending amount of trash encounters in multiple areas and the game obviously trying to stretch its playtime without putting in much effort into encounter design. There was little narrative content in those areas with almost all of it being concentrated in the adjacent hub. The result was really bad pacing.

[@joshuacrowley8887]

@@burningsheep4473 I mean, nostalgia is powerful. We are talking about a 16 year old game that was loved and the spiritual successor to baldur's gate 2. It is an RPG created in a time where there wasn't many of them available to play. 2007-2010 was a very different time for gaming and origins really stood out to the competition. I played something like 250-500 hours of it and it is in my top 10 of all time. But if you compare all its systems to some newer better ones it is definitely dated.

[@kerlivs.makeup2503]

the chantry teaches us, that it was the hubris of bioware that brought the veilguard into this world...

[@everxchosen6057]

Crazy to me that if you play as Female City Elf, YOUR the one that gets grabbed and play the map basically backwards. That art style pic that shows the elven bride with a scowl and knife. Ya...that's you basically if you do that Origin start.

[@asrafkhalid1231]

imo, that is the best way to play if you are playing city elf. but yea, this one is some of the darkest prologue right beside dwarven noble (fratricide or accused of one) or the human noble (generic human turn hero king/queen) in origin.

[@iDEATH]

I was going to mention that the city elf origin is such a stunning example of something game devs/pubs are simply afraid to do today. Especially as a female PC. I thought it was really cool, personally, having a game throw challenging content like that at me right out the gate. It's sad how the AAA industry has fallen in the last couple decades.

[@ethanduncan1646]

Female city elf is my favorite origin. If you want to roleplay an extremely cynical and ruthless character this is honestly the most fitting start for them.

[@orthodox-mp6hv]

@@asrafkhalid1231 The dwarf commoner origin is also quite bleak. Working for the mob while residing in the slums. One of the artisan caste dwarfs blatantly offers to purchase your healthy teeth in order to produce prosthesis for the rich. Oh and let's not forget that you are p*i*m*p*ing off your half-sister to a noble.

[@orthodox-mp6hv]

@@asrafkhalid1231 Dwarf commoner is quite bleak too. Living in the slums, working as a mob enforcer, selling your sister, trying to sell your own teeth for a prosthesis.

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

Dragon Age was better as a Dark fantasy

[@yennefer440]

100%

[@bronzin1445]

Veilgaurd: “You’re not allowed to be mean or evil” Origins: “Those goddamn Knife-earred elves had it coming”

[@kclink1579]

Dragon Age was better.

[@r.e.z9428]

Id say the theme is less important if the writing was good. Even if Veilguard was “dark fantasy” it would have still be trash if the writing was the same.

[@Extreme96PL]

@@bronzin1445 Honestly, when I read a lot of complaints about Ashley from Mass Effect, how people complain that she's racist towards aliens (when she's not and just doesn't trust them and explains why), I honestly start to doubt that modern gamers would be able to handle Origins. BioWare seems to cater to people who live in a toxic positive bubble where everyone is friendly to each other, barely argues, and if they do argue, they quickly abandon all their arguments and say they shouldn't be arguing in the first place lol.

[@NaoGaiz]

The darkspawn used to look so badass. Like melty orcs in armor.

[@edgelessuser5]

And used to be actually threatening and intelligent

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

yeah the're as fugly as the ones in the LotR Movies...^^

[@ljp400]

ironically da:o received backlash for the darkspawn resembling lotr orcs too much and was accused of just copy/pasting them

[@edgelessuser5]

@@ljp400 I heard a little about that but tbh I never saw them as Orcs

[@Rihadso]

@@ljp400 Let's add another one, one can see the similarty between DA:O "The Fade" and Warhammer's "The Warp". That was my first thought when I played the game on release.

[@Silent-Pride4-wt9iy]

I loved this game. Origins had crying, laughing, and angry all the way through. The best storytelling that I have ever experienced.

[@sirpoofs4693]

@@Silent-Pride4-wt9iy dalish elf was my first play through and holy shit that starting mission

[@Silent-Pride4-wt9iy]

@sirpoofs4693 Yes! I cried at the end of the origin story for the Dalish elf.

[@mykra9905]

I will always remember the Mage origin. The fade seemed like such a simple trap that you think 'I'd never fall for that!' and then thanks to clever writing you absolutely could fail the lesson in the next hour or two with Jowan's quest. The line 'True tests never end' and that starting Origin really influenced my entire run through the game.

[@mytotim8978]

I didn´t fail Jowan test, i let him scaped willingly and learn blood magic the first chance i got. The chantry and the templars were tyrants and i want nothing with them.

[@Pax_ire]

@mykra9905 DAO demons actually felt like demons. Not just regular mobs to kill. They confused you, tricked you, earned your sympathy. They were a test of the mind, they made you put in an effort to read between the lines The closest thing to a DAO demon in veilguard is Solas for a couple of times.

[@shadowpathfinder7723]

It did bother me that nothing ever came of that "True tests never end" line. Everytime I went back into the Fade I expected an additional challenge beyond what the non-mage characters would face and it never bore fruit

[@gunstarheroine5173]

I was heartbroken Mouse never returned. He had a unique VA and everything, I was certain he'd be a bigger character

[@sleepyatdawn7648]

The Whole of city elf origins is quite grim, with implied rape for the women of the town. Games today don't really go around these topics.

[@chrisdiokno5600]

TBF, it can at times be seen as gratuitious, and often tactless.

[@professorwright1428]

Because using SA just for the sake of traumatizing the women in your story is tasteless. I love DAO but it uses assault really badly.

[@bronzin1445]

@@professorwright1428 are you high?!?

[@finallife87]

@@chrisdiokno5600 lmao sounds like something a coward would say.

[@finallife87]

@@professorwright1428 whatever you say princess.

[@NordicUlfr]

All of the openings in this game for all races and classes are sick as hell. Mages with demons and blood magic, Human nobles with Red Wedding vibes, Elves with ancient mystic artifacts and racist themes, Dwarf with cool taste of royalty and betrayal.

[@Drums_of_Liberation]

Nah. If anything Dwarf noble is more Game of Thrones than the human origin.

[@kopicat2429]

@@Drums_of_Liberation Excuse me? Human nobles where you invite a shady ally into your home, and have that ally betray and kill your entire family? That's literally game of thrones. Dwarf noble is just your regular power struggle among royal siblings. History is filled with dead princes killed by their siblings in the struggle to become king or emperor.

[@MEEEEOOOOWWWW738]

Origin's best feature had to truly be allowing you to make a custom character portrait on the side. Just make yourself menacing with a red background on evil playthroughs

[@TheBayzent]

Or goofy with a cheesy ret*rd smile. The best kind of evil.

[@rexcyjones9416]

Dwarven noble, human noble and city elf will always be the perfect starting point to go evil route. Everything just feels right being vengeful and angry haha.

[@ana-mariabobe1762]

The Dalish elf too.

[@NaoyaYami]

And any mage variant. Honetly, every origin gives you reasons to become vengeful.

[@rexcyjones9416]

@@NaoyaYami mage is more open to whatever role you wanna pick. The other race is more situational specially the ones in the cities lol.

[@Dragon_Lair]

Casteless dwarf also is a great way to be pragmatic evil. Do what is necessary without regard for others.

[@xeirhyx5252]

I love how when youre a femcity elf mc, youll be the one taken away and you have to fight your way to escape

[@MsIvalane]

I will grant that Ghilan'nain and Elgar'nan felt much more threatening than Corypheus ever did, but the bad guys need to feel like something more than a caricature to be satisfying to defeat, and they were still just Evil Because. I wish Veilguard had us play out the event that got us booted from our faction before launching into interrupting the ritual.

[@CaptainRed1000]

I remember playing the City Elf origin for the first time and thinking, "No storyteller today would have the balls to put this into their RPG game." It was simple, but genuinely impressive.

[@LizziiWizzii]

It were the reflections of the hard realities of life within a fantasy world that made this game so great.

[@KonradCurse88]

Owlcat have the balls to do it, Wotr and RT in lot of aspect are way more extreme then DAO, yet not unexpected from em being Russians

[@CaptainRed1000]

@@KonradCurse88 Bear in mind this was in 2010, long before WotR.

[@vane909090]

@@KonradCurse88 What are wotr and rt?

[@KonradCurse88]

@@vane909090 Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous and Rogue Trader, crpg by Owlcat Games

[@IdocarebutIdont]

Funny how everbody is going back trying to get the bad taste out of their mouths lol

[@TheOneWithNoFNnick]

Veilguard even made me appreciate DA2 more. I especially loved how much my companions despised each other, after Veilguard made me hate the word 'team'.

[@RyanBurnsRed]

And BioWare won’t learn a damn thing. I’m legit concerned for how much worse they can ruin Mass Effect after Andromeda

[@sergiosanchez3344]

@@RyanBurnsRed quit the bs. Veilguard is a great game, it is always the same bs with every DA release lmao.

[@jadak100]

@@sergiosanchez3344 nah, even normies now know that the game is a poor attempt of a reboot

[@silentmoniker]

​@sergiosanchez3344 I'd rather give Dragon Age 2 a couple replays instead of give Veilguard a second play through, I'm just so disappointed in almost every bit of it..scenes and graphics are fantastic though. I can't say a bad thing there 👌

[@Lexxal_]

God the writing is so good...

[@gawkersdeathrattle1759]

Origins is SO much better. It was damn near a genre defining game. The continued enshittening of the Dragon Age franchise after Origins is just an ongoing rolling tragedy.

[@randomperson-up5vt]

Older western rpg's had so many fun interactions. Good or bad outcomes they are fun to do.

[@alyssatroche1664]

I feel like people defending the writing of DAV just don't understand what we are talking about when we tell them the writing in previous games was better. They think we mean dark as in there were zero silly moments or that we only want gore or horror. No there was maturity in them, I'd argue all of them had a certain level of that including DAI. And the consistency was there and didn't feel like there were several people writing without talking to each other. I also wanted to love DAV especially cause it's so pretty and I did love Emmrich, but can't do it. It's a very mid game

[@jayveeeee]

Totally, I know what you mean. I find it hard to talk about writing because it's hard to describe when it's good but very easy to describe when it's bad. Good writing feels "real" and "grounded" and "convincing" like the characters believe they exist in their own world. I believe what they're saying. Bad writing feels forced and robotic and uneven and so many other adjectives that don't quite nail down exactly what's wrong about it but nonetheless it's easy to point out. But yeah overall very mid like you said, except Emmrich. He's a lovely fellow

[@OctoberHourglass]

Where I’m from we call this a “palette cleanser”.

[@m4k0v1ch]

*"palate" ;-)

[@OctoberHourglass]

@ you son of a………

[@crabcakes448]

I hope it was paletteable for you

[@Maergensargoth]

like table tennis equipment cleaner?

[@OctoberHourglass]

@ Why don’t you chill out, Randy Daytona

[@BurlASSque]

The backstories make Origins so replayable. Playing all the different stories feels so unique and they're all so well done. My wife loves the city elf story, I personally love the human and dwarf nobles.

[@dandare9055]

NGL keeping wedding clothes next to grease trap is most Rouge-like thing I heard this year.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

Not only did Veilguard use nothing from any of your saves from previous games, it went out of its way to erase everything. Denerim, Ferelden, Kirkwall, etc all of it is destroyed and gone. Forever. None of the previous characters you had matter. Your journeys and battles now mean nothing.

[@Cmullet33]

@crimsonpotemkin Huge Dragon Age fan and I haven't played the new game and just reading that is so depressing. They had 10 years, a literal decade, to put everyone's choices into one fantastic masterpiece of a game with Solas as the Dreadwolf and when they said no decisions port over but 3 in Trespasser I couldn't believe it. So sad to see how hundreds of hours of gameplay were told that they didn't matter.

[@wingthomaux]

It’s not canon and everyone who played DAO knows that. There is Origins and DA2 is a nice spin off that doesn’t really matter for the overarching story. As far as I’m concerned we‘re still vigilant in peace, awaiting the next blight.

[@AwayWithYouVileBeggar]

That is the purpose sadly. The original visionaries of the game are gone and the current writers are either incompetent, uncaring (waiting for the $) or slacktivists. With these people in charge the only thing the can do is "reboot" the story to their liking. They lack the will or talent of an actual competent writer that would: 1.learn the lore 2.understand where the story should go and continue it as faithfully as possible Thus they simply say "F IT" and read the surface stuff or watch a lore video until they get a semblance of an idea and go with it.

[@TheBayzent]

I mean, most of the social change you enforce during the first two games slowly gets undone by the time Inquisition hits (Mage Templar war for the mages, and the attacks of humans against elven settlements in the Hinterlands), but outright erasing all is depressing.

[@edgelessuser5]

​@@Cmullet33I haven't played it either as a boycott basically to stop ruining great worlds. But anyway I recently played DA2 again and actually think it's better than I remember maybe even above Inquisition which was not too bad. But come on dragon age 2 was made in about a YEAR! What do you even spend 10 years doing?!

[@NewVenari]

Watching this made me miss playing the old games, and appreciate what BG3 did to bring most of those values and writing back to modern gaming

[@prastagus3]

Ogre's head is actually proportionate to the size of its horns, unlike in Veilguard .......

[@craignellist7277]

@@prastagus3 the Veilguard orge is the worst redesign I’ve ever seen, they first time I saw it it reminded of that one clip of the bald dude dancing away in a night club high on drugs with his massive underbite.

[@gaetanhillion8342]

I quite like the fact that you will die multiple time when facing your first ogre, but almost one shot them by the end of the game, that's what you call feeling powerful ^^.

[@catgarcia4583]

DA Origins: *Crawl off and die* Veilguard: *Shock* “We would never speak to they/thems like that!

[@ViktorCaine]

I started playing this game early this year, I've put in the hours and I'm still playing it now. Safe to say, i love this game. Never a dull moment in this game.

[@TNTspaz]

It's literally such a night and day difference. Seeing people defend Veilguard. It's like they live on a different planet

[@anon2752]

Some people have really really low standards. All it takes is passable combat, prettu graphics, and a some slightly emotional writing (even if it doesnt make any sense) to satisfy them. These are the same type of people that enjoy modern star wars, MCU, or rings of power.

[@theamous]

I personally think it's the generation that grew up with fortnite and/or ipad games. They've probably never played "older" games like origins and Veilguard is their first game. Ofcourse from that mindset it probably looks like a good game because they don't know any better. And all of the official gaming journalists giving it 10/10 also isn't helping.

[@lambert801]

People are basically zombies at this point.

[@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken]

@@anon2752 , funny thing is you basically explained Asmongold. He gave the game a 7/10 because of the combat. He self admitted to not caring for story or good writing in a game, and even says this game was painful to play BECAUSE of dialogue and story, but still gave it a damn 7 because of "passable" combat. lmao

[@swerve3031]

@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken Fairly certain Asmongold dislikes the examples the guy listed. Also, if you hate the story telling but the game looks okay and the combat is mid why would a 7 not be acceptable?

[@victoriasharpe1661]

Watching this got me so emotional. Especially that battle scene at ostagar. Still gives me goosebumps. It also made me very sad because I’ll never see a game like this again. Baldurs gate 3 was closest, but origins still had this dark fantasy atmosphere which can’t be replaced. Human noble and city elf was some of the darkest moments of the game. Thanks for the video. Brought back a lot of good memories 👍

[@KonradCurse88]

How about Rogue Trader if you dont hate warhammer40K universe? or Tyranny? Both are dark, and both are good crpg

[@TheCllloud]

Even opening scene running to battle, before Duncan scene, was omfg amazing :D

[@markymarc12]

Objectively better than Veilguard. The Ostagar music brings back memories!

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@markymarc12 Origins is better than ALL the DA sequels though. Why are so many streamers pretending that DA2 and Inquisition didn't already drop the ball when compared to Origins? Veilguard is a solid game. It ain't on Origins's level, but to be fair NONE of the DA sequels are on Origins's level.

[@robo2490]

@@AztecUnshaven Solid turd.

[@mytotim8978]

@@AztecUnshaven In what is solid veilguard? Not in writting, not in gameplay, so what offer?

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@mytotim8978 Gameplay is slick and very fun. Lots of different combat builds can be created too. Been playing on Nightmare mode and having plenty of fun. So no, you're wrong on the "not the gameplay" statement. As I said before, my favorite system by far was Origins' tactical overhead combat, but the cold reality is that DA2 and DA3 ALREADY watered the original system down. So Veilguard's slicker action RPG system works out pretty well, when all circumstances are considered.

[@crabcakes448]

@@AztecUnshaven I agree, the gameplay isn't bad at all. I love the dropkick in particular. Feedback is important, and it feels good to land those big hits. However, Dragon Age's primary selling point was never its gameplay. VG's devs had so little talent in the storytelling department they ignored everything else that Dragon Age had built to focus on Solas - and they failed that too. I'm quite okay with how Solas was portrayed, but what a shitty, shitty, SHITTY way to end things.

[@MajorCoolD]

'You cant lie to these people, they will not buy your lies' - he says after entering an off-limits area, an unknown face, armed to the teeth, splattered with blood after litterally killing the Guard at the door merely a minute earlier. XDDD

[@weareharbinger914]

"I hate my character." Legitimately you play someone who cannot even be mean. I think the worst thing they say is 'go to hell' to an evil blighted god intent on killing or corrupting everything in their way and used to enslave the elven race. You're not roleplaying. You're playing Rook. Even Geralt of Rivia has greater range, and he is a specific character, not one that is built. The Alienage opening. Oof, they're all kind of rough, but that one especially. Honestly, Origins is like the anti veilguard. From Rook having effectively no backstory, to Origins you play your backstory.

[@CompleatedMagic]

I remember pre ordering origins to get the cool armor. If you got it at GameStop you got an extra thing too, but I forget.

[@DendoSupreme]

i got the collectors edition, it gave you a CD explaining how to play the game and how to get the Juggernaut armour and more titbits. it also gave you exclusive items only available to the collectors edition sold on pc and xbox, you now have to edit the game to get them.

[@gates6444]

That moment in the battle, when Duncan looks to the beacon hits my feels so hard. I always imagine him not only seeing the light of hope, but also realizing... Alistair made it. He's going to live. Augh! Also Janeway's voicing an epic swamp witch. enough said.

[@Jon-qf6qg]

Part of the fun of playing as a really morally upstanding protagonist in an RPG is that I know there are other options that might be tempting, whether they're easier or more satisfying in the short term. It's almost like a self-imposed challenge. Without those options it's just lame and boring.

[@Jon-qf6qg]

Plus Bioware's current definition of a "morally upstanding protagonist" is pretty... specific in his inclinations, let's say.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Same. I rarely play an evil character but I at least want the *option* to be bad.

[@melfice999]

@@johannesseyfried7933 The best part is when you play good guy, but this one section / character really crosses (you)r character's line, so you drop all moral grandstanding, and make them drink their own medicine by steel.

[@lambert801]

Exactly! Just like in real life.

[@NaoyaYami]

When doing DLC of Deus Ex Human Revolution I was surprised and happy when antagonist mentioned that my Jenses didn't kill anyone so far and that is exactly why they should be wary of him - since he didn't took the easy way of shooting and killing. Gun blazing would often be so much easier but it was that one line that justified my playstyle for that whole playthrough. I also liked how you weren't locked out of most renegade options in ME and despite ending up a Paragon, my Shepard wasn't afraid to punch the annoying journalist. Twice.

[@LP-mh6ri]

the writing and world building is so much better, I watching you play and I´m more invested in the story than I was for 99% of playing veilguard myself. There´s stakes and drama..the world feels alive. Veilguard was just exposition dump that lead to "go here kill x" with your hit squad or follow companion while they tell their life story. Such a waste of the talented people that did the combat and locations.

[@wingthomaux]

The combat is Hogwarts Legacy type trash and has nothing to do with RPGs.

[@LP-mh6ri]

@@wingthomaux I had fun with it, and it had some variety possible late game with the different gear abilities you could lean into. Ofc course I preferred the tactical team building approach of Origins but Veilguard´s combat was still fun. What I ´m saying is the combat was not part of the veilguard problems. If it had good writing, rpg skills that could influence stuff outside combat, choices that mattered, a better narrative structure yadda yadda. It would have been a great game with the combat as it is.

[@wingthomaux]

@@LP-mh6ri I disagree. Dragon age is an RPG not ARPG. Spamming dodge rolls is just not my type of gameplay.

[@rudyleon7321]

ive lost count how many times ive replayed this game . love the banter between morrigan and alistar

[@tomenigmatic]

These 20 minutes of Origins are better than my 40 hours of Veilguard companions mumbling about their emotions and acting like brats. Geez, what happened to BioWare!!!!

[@Discovery2024-rn8kn]

40 hours of suffering, why punish yourself

[@alemswazzu]

Because modern writers tend to self insert way way way too often.

[@scottdesemberer8751]

The old bioware is dead(

[@anon2752]

Its a new studio, wearing biowares skin, run by ideologues who want to force their view onto you.

[@TheBayzent]

David Gaider left. That's what happened.

[@UltimegaSeven]

23:55 Wow using strategy and tactics to ovecome hard challenges instead of dodge rolling and one man armying your way through combat.

[@RagingWaldo]

One of the reasons that Origins is one of my all time favorite games is because you CAN PLAY YOUR ORIGIN STORY. It helps you feel a genuine connection to the character you're playing and immerses you into the world from the get go. The City Elf Origin is my go to whenever I play.

[@ivilivo]

Nice editing and narration. Would like a full playthrough

[@yennefer440]

Morrigan my beloved ❤

[@wingthomaux]

She’s actually insufferable until you give her the real book, then she suddenly speaks softly and invites me into her tent. Sad to break simpy Leliana‘s heart, but I do what needs to be done 😌

[@Athrun82]

@@wingthomaux The funniest thing is when Morrigan invites you "It is so cold in my tent all alone" "Then get a thicker blanket!"

[@swahini]

i 100% believe veilguard is written for people who arent even gamers, nor really care about games, they just HAD TO include modern bullshit for dumb reasons

[@GangstarComputerGod]

Veilguard was written for a specific audience. The devs. They created a character that is a complete narcissist asshole because they really want to yell at everyone about pronouns and punish those who don’t comply, and made a world they want to live in, where everyone thinks they’re great no matter what they do and they never have to deal with real problems.

[@0giwan]

An excellent description of The Modern Audience.

[@ThatAnnoyingGuyOnTheInternet]

"The Message"

[@nymbus4555]

Alistair was my favorite companion too. So, I boinked him and became his queen. Talk about choices in the game feeling impactful. Too bad they never say what happened to your Warden after Origins (Unless it's in Veilguard). They just don't make games like this anymore.

[@gates6444]

in Inquisition they do! If for example you've ended Origins as Alistairs Queen, you see Alistair in Inquisition and he'll actually mention the ol ball and chain. Acts differently if hes been hardened or not. and in the second game, if you choose to banish Alistair, you can find him drinking in the tavern. Very cool. Sucks that Veilguard threw it all out the window.

[@theguywhomakesthetrees2057]

sarcastic Hawke will forever be my favorite dragon age protag

[@jackinthebox1993]

I will never understand why BioWare never went back to this winning formula. They have as much access to the internet as we do, so I don't understand why they never went to the Dark Fantasy archetype that so many of us fell in love with. It wouldn't even be hard if they did the same thing 15 years ago. It would be like printing money

[@Markfr0mCanada]

All the rage over Veilguard got me playing Origins again. I'm loving it, although I'm having stability issues just like you did. I couldn't stop laughing during my joining because Duncan looked absolutely cursed in comedic ways.

[@jacksonmiltin4199]

I hate forced to play a goody two shoes in a ROLE PLAYING GAME!?😑

[@chrisdiokno5600]

TBF, the reason a lot of RPGs tend to make the "good" path the more fleshed out one is supposedly, some research states that more often than not, people play good characters first

[@gabrielcruz7402]

@@chrisdiokno5600 yeah, but there's a big difference between making the good path the better one and not allowing anything else

[@alemswazzu]

Without the choice, it's not role playing, it's watching a story.

[@Eggroley]

@@chrisdiokno5600 Making the right decision always feels better when there's a wrong one. If there are no "bad" choices, then you're not really the one choosing are you?

[@MasticinaAkicta]

@@Eggroley And that is the problem of false choice. DA:V has "choices" but long term none of them matter. A real RPG has choices and you know a character you learned about, befriended, very probably will die. Guess what few hours later you learned they died. If choices are what you have for breakfast level hard. Then it is no choice.

[@peasantofpersia]

Ngl i played baldurs gate 1 instead of dragon age veilguard and it was a far better experience.

[@Chasodey]

It is funny to see this comment because I'm currently in my first playthrough of BG1. The text in the game sometimes is written by "professional programmers" but I still can't stop playing

[@peasantofpersia]

@Chasodey yeah it is my first play as well although I'm playing it on phone so it gets annoying sometimes.

[@dinand28]

ofc it was, how dare u compare it

[@Chasodey]

@@peasantofpersia I'm having no troubles on PC and it's easier to have proper controls for all the party members

[@mattlee4618]

Savor your first time with that game it’s a great experience and an amazing rpg

[@TheDjMoo]

Dragon Age used to be real and gritty fantasy at its best. People come in all flavors: rapists, murderers, heroes, and golden retrievers. Dragon Age used to acknowledge that and wrote that in, using it to make a compelling and realistic story. It's because of that excellent writing and storytelling, the realism of it, and just how fucked up it got, that we loved Origin, DA2, and DAI. There were times that I was disgusted, appalled, and outright furious when I first played DA:O and I still remember more scenes from that game than most other games, books, shows, or movies. There were likewise times when I was laughing so much I ended up in tears, and times when I was in tears without the laughter. Dragon Age used to be a name that was respected and loved for its grimdark fantasy and full-bore "hold my beer" type storytelling that punched you in the face with emotions of all kinds. Now? What's the worst thing you see in Veilguard? Honestly, probably just Bianca getting broken. If the vision for Dragon Age had remained grimdark fantasy instead of the current cartoony ass one, then I'd put money on saying that Varric would have died in that scene, Bianca would have been shattered and maybe a broken shard of her frame would have likewise ended up impaled in Varric, making it even more tragic. Just thinking about how good the story could have been with the right writers makes me sad, because this game has just gone and killed the Dragon Age franchise in the most tragic development ever seen in these games.

[@schalkengelbrecht7859]

There are patches you need to install for the Steam version to make it work on a modern operating system. I think it was in one of the Steam forums or reviews for this game. It still suffers from memory leaks so after playing for a few hours you need to restart the game, but otherwise it'll run stable.

[@thewizardninja]

I remember I did a run where I was a female city elf mage. Nowadays I think the kids would call that "oppressionmaxxing".

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

Your memory is failing you.

[@catalincalinoiu7082]

The first hour of origins is better and funnier than the entire veilguard game

[@DianeCooperTW]

Origins with some mods to get some better looking clothes and armour and making the qunari look cooler is just perfect

[@standhaftgarithos3832]

I keep saying this, but for everyone who wants to replay the original DAO then you really need to download 4 mods. 1) the unofficial patch which fixes most of the known issues (crashing and stuff). 2) the dog mod which allows you to have dog all the time without taking up a party slot just like God intended. 3) Grey Warden armor since that's just about the best thing DA2 ever did. 4) the mod that lets you look like you are actually related to your family so you can pick presets that look like the Cousland and stuff.

[@moongurd20]

I remember when i played this game, i think i started new characters to play all the possible starts!

[@ayumaha9669]

I love games with rep mechanics Cause it shows your actions matter like you cant....idk COMMIT ARSON and still be called the "hero" and good guy plus you can actually be called the villan

[@professorwright1428]

You actually can do horrific things in DAO and still be called a hero. It doesn't change anything really.

[@ayumaha9669]

@@professorwright1428 still like rep systems

[@jesster402]

@@professorwright1428 that was one of the first things I heard about dragon age from the person who got me into it. "Yea you're known as a hero but if you talk to the people who actually knew you in later games, they just say 'yea I hated that guy so much.'" Honestly its reminiscent of a particular character from Origins

[@leobuscaglia5576]

DAO is actually supposed to be played in the top down view for maximum tactical effectiveness. One of the reasons the rest of the Dragon Age games are not as good is that they started focusing on the third person view hack and slash type gameplay which looks prettier but isn't as tactically engaging as with a top down view. In DAO using the top down tactical mode you could control your whole party individually and have an excellent overview of the battle. The kill finishers also added an excellent touch to the combat which made your heroes looked cooler and gave a more satisfying feel to each kill.

[@craignellist7277]

To be fair Inquisition also had its own version of tactical mode that I personally never used that much.

[@leobuscaglia5576]

@craignellist7277 yeah but it was kind of half baked in comparison to DAO's tactical mode. That's why almost no one bothered to use it.

[@craignellist7277]

@ that’s true, still more than anything they did in Veilguard

[@leobuscaglia5576]

@@craignellist7277 Failguard is a total disaster.

[@craignellist7277]

@ very true, honestly they should have just called it Dragon Age: The Retcon

[@kurosan0079]

The tone is completely different. It's painfully obvious that the people who made Veilguard are no longer the same Bioware that was once great.

[@MarkimedesJacquesStonehouse]

My favourite small detail in DA:O, is no matter which origin story you pick there is evidence of the others having taken place, only they ended in death because you're the one who Duncan conveniently showed up to help.

[@junecatira]

I played as a dalish elf the first time and let me tell you, I'm still not over Tamlen

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

Really hope more people play DA:O. It’s such a great game, seriously. If you, yes YOU reading this, have not played it, please try it. Try each of the origins at least if you don’t feel like playing the whole game. The dialogue is great.

[@danteh4947]

I miss this Dragon age

[@BerryTheFox12]

If there’s one good thing about Veilguard, it’s that it made everyone go back to this masterpiece of a game.

[@CarlWheatley-wi2cl]

Dark fantasy. Rape, torture, murder, occult sacrifice, slavery, racism, betrayal. Playing it now it's stark just how brutal the world is. GRRM style but there is also revenge, justice, honour, loyalty, friendship, the good old setting things right vibe. Veilguard can't hold a candle to the writing and maturity.

[@diskjokk]

Dude, I just have to thank you personally for this video. You just gave me the spark I needed to replay Dragon Age Origins. I haven't played it since the game was first released in 2009 and now, I'm really looking forward to playing it again.

[@UnitedWeStandFreedom]

When you bake the perfect pie you use the same ingredients and measurements! Same goes with games!! if you want the same great experience people loved your going to have to stick to the same ingredients to keep them coming back . Absolutely made a whole new pie here with horribly added ingredients 😂😂

[@22minplays]

Did they even use ingredients?

[@kingofbel6499]

I heard that in Veilguard your party members never fight. Companions bickering with and without you was one of the reasons I fell in love with this series and Mass Effect to begin with. Some of the most memorable moments for me in Dragon Age Origins were Morrigan and Leliana catfighting. Bioware truly has lost their touch if they now think that was a bad thing.

[@grumpyoldwizard]

I have lately been watching a channel that shows how older games run so well on almost any spec. Instead of rebuying the 10th version of some old game, which lets the publishers milk us, why not just get the old game itself? There is a crazy amount of oppurtunity and possibility there and some truely incredible games. Imagine an epic collection of physical media games paired with a computer that only costs a few hundred dollars.

[@Chasodey]

That's why PC gaming is so cool. You can have the best rig on the market and play the latest games on ultra settings but after finishing or not modern slop run "the ol' reliable" game from your childhood or try something new that you've missed. All in one machine. The only problem is that some older games may require tweaking and shamanic dancing to make them run smoothly on newer systems but it's rarely goes beyond dragging and dropping a zip file with fixes into the root folder

[@chrisdiokno5600]

TBF, remasters and the like CAN add some good QoL improvements

[@Chasodey]

@@chrisdiokno5600 That's absolutely true, a quality remaster can completely replace the original in people''s minds because it will be the original game but simply better.

[@craigmurray4746]

I love my physical media collection, but there are issues. Plenty of weird incompatible copy protections systems that don't work on modern Windows as well as slow transfer speeds. 16X DVD in theory is about 22.2 MB/s, but drives almost never truly hit that peak. This is where GOG is awesome, but as great as they are for what they do for compatibility, they still have the issue of games being pulled for license reasons as well as the fact that there are many games they don't have. Some games are so tied up with license issues they may never get to GOG, which makes playing them a real mission

[@TheWathcherAbove]

Vailgurd has its problems, but in general, i still enjoy playing Vailguard - gameplay is great and you can set the Difficultyto your level, also loved 'Origins'

[@bearynice4784]

you can set all games to your difficulty level... the options usually start from beginner and go to expert/nightmare .... that should not even be a factor as to why a game was worth playing... Kingdom come deliverance will straight up kill you off in the prologue before you can even press a button on hardcore because it's medieval times( I got ate by wolves ) a fun addition but not a reason to play...the biggest complaint I have heard about that is it's too hard... Veilgaurd at it's core is just bad,if you read player reviews they all agree on the issues even if they gave it a positive review and they all agree on the positives... Edit KCD is one of the best rpg's there is and it doesn't have to use the sentimentality that DAV is using or the hair being great or CC or the reputation the studio (once) had or has... it is beyond me how DAO and DAI got game of the year out of 3 games in the series and they still put out this trash

[@Atomprofessor]

I played Dragon Age Inquisition recently! Very nice game but not as brilliant as DA Origins!

[@CrazyGamebino]

yeah i was considering getting it because sony doesn't have the earlier games before it and i don't trust my pavilion to run the game smoothly

[@MuseHijinks]

Still way better than Veilguard. I'm glad I didn't fall for the false hype around it.

[@SuuuB]

replayed dai after my inital dav playthrough, the difference in immersion was jarring, despite the fact that the animations in Inquisition are really wonky af compared to dav. Shows how much good writing, characters and world building matters, fancy graphics alone won't carry that. I was in Haven for like 2 hours talking to everyone and reading codex entries having a better time than in any moment of dav.

[@AxelOwnz]

I went back to Inqusition. I don't think I have played it since the DLC in 2015. I don't like it as much as Origins or Awakening but I think its still pretty fun. Went a bit too much on the open world padding though. Kind of the opposite problem I had from DA2. Inqusition still looks pretty nice graphically too.

[@wingthomaux]

@@SuuuBwhen you call DAI good, pls just get Origins, you’ll be blown away by the intro stories alone.😊

[@Modverse]

Wow! Night and Day difference in writing! Love the city elf origin Imagine having a tactical combat and managing your party!

[@iwantobeliev9633]

Remember when we said 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words shall never hurt me', Alistair remembers. also Best tact for the first ogre is to have the party separated in the room, all with ranged/spells, while one melee runs around luring it

[@mistermarkham101]

“Okay, so far I’ve extorted money from drunk people. Things are going pre-tty welllllllll in the alienage.” 🤣🤣🤣

[@T-eee-L]

DA Origins is GOAT status, Veilguard was a decent game but it should have its “Dragon Age” title stripped and just name it Veilguardians or some shit.

[@houlej19]

It’s crazy that it came before Veilguard. It’s much more advanced and has more features. The graphics are nice and the writing is on another level.

[@Jameskaimuki]

Started up origins because I don't think I ever finished it. Definitely want to play through into DA2 and maybe do Inquisition again. I will never get Veilguard because of how it just ignores everything from previous games. Also, after seeing the dialogue and combat it looks painful.

[@bronzin1445]

DA2 is fun and all but is blatantly obvious that it was made for the casual mainstream gamer. All the tactical gameplay has all but been stripped out in favour of a more action oriented hack and slash style. It’s not a bad game by any means but it was basically a middle finger to origins fans. Veilgaurd is a middle finger to Dragon Age fans in general

[@justinlammers699]

@@bronzin1445 spot on

[@Jameskaimuki]

@@bronzin1445 I wouldn't call it hack and slash. It definitely has faster and more flashier combat animations, but you can still set up tactics for different situations. Sure Easy and Normal difficulties you would pretty much be fine with default settings. I always thought of hack and slash as x button to light attack and y button to heavy attack.

[@urbanwings17]

@@bronzin1445 You can turn on auto attack for DA2 and then it is exactly the same as Origins combat

[@treed6038]

"Walking and talking with Duncan. Literally the coolest shit ever." So true. You can't help but feel like a badass with the way they do that.

[@Sinic818]

Dragon Age Origins was the best. To be fair to Veilguard they progressively got worse after the first one.

[@kingwick]

watching this is so depressing man, the nostalgia is hitting me hard and is such as shame we will never get a proper sequel to DAO. Fuck Bioware and fuck EA.

[@DayvonR64]

I will always love how Origins actually gave you an Origin. So many rpgs love to just make you slap on some random backstory that gets loosely referenced in the story. You'll have scenes where you meet someone you knew in your past and have 0 attachment to them.

[@brianmoyachiuz905]

Origins is a classic, I'm glad I got my ultimate edition on ps3, I really dig the grim darkness where you got fight to show who's big boss and you can be a snarky wise crack if you feel like it (especially to the enemies) and the gameplay is simple but still amazing

[@shadow__bubby]

I understand how you feel sadly my dad doesn't see it yet he hasn't played fail guard yet

[@tihorog349]

Dude if this really is ur first time running city elf, I'm so glad u did it after vilegourd

[@skyeranger]

Veilguard not giving you a playable background and instead just letting you pick a card and saying "that's your background now, have fun, thehe" is such a baffling and bad decision.

[@craignellist7277]

It’s made even worse by the start of the game feeling like we started part way through the story.

[@ThatAnnoyingGuyOnTheInternet]

Just wait for the Veilguard: Origins DLC.

[@Flakxao]

first moments of being an elf is quite good. havin a blast

[@RXTRUX1]

I play DA:O every year or two, so great.

[@bltanti]

Don't know if you ever played the forest elf origin, but it may be the canon intro. You find a magic item that is the source of a darkspawn invasion, and learn that the forest elves have a cure for the plague.

[@BlondeNordic]

If i remember correctly as an elven woman they kidnap you as well and Soren comes and finds you and together you fight and save the other women or u have the option of this douche to take advantage of them and take the coin that he offers. I just chose to make him few inches shorter and he wont be breathing any time soon.

[@JeshuaHicksAuthor]

I've also never played city elf. Holy shit dude. That is some straight grimdark right there.