I Played Season of Discovery & I Didn't Like It --- WoW Classic

#wowclassic #seasonofdiscovery #mmorpg

[@Alexensualtv]

www.twitch.tv/alexensual - Like the content? Come follow me on Twitch! I stream World of Warcraft everyday (classic, sod, cataclysm, retail etc!)

[@Lornext]

I have been saying from the beginning that SoD is a lazy excuse and bad game design.

[@Zulgen123]

very poor design. its concerning how popular it is because it sets the bar so low for MMORPGs in general.

[@Prosy137]

Same, I never logged in to it and never will. The laziest cash grab in a LONG time from Blizzard. But people play it because the alternative is gdkp classic era…. sad times.

[@lepostral]

guys, look into project Epoch, it could be what SoD couldn't, looks really promising

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

@@Prosy137 I think Dragonflight was great after letdown of bfa and shadowlands, since Microsoft bought Blizz they focused a lot on building out retail wow first and foremost and I think its great - of course not very good, but compared to bfa or SL its by miles a big improvement and actually decent But I also understand people who like wow because of its classic aspect, where things are a bit slower and more simpler

[@roysansom5055]

@@lepostral wil be greatt wil probll the best classic + pserver turtle is also great but a fresh epoch will rule

[@Valv99]

Quit when phase 2 came out. Phase 1 was primo wow gameplay, everything after felt like a raiding simulator, grouping and playing with bots that don't talk and have room temp IQ

[@Cromius771]

I agree. I had a lot of fun in phase 1 but after that things got out of control. Damage is insanely high and everyone can one shot the other guy.

[@server1ok]

@@Cromius771 Getting one shotted is Vanilla like, but the broken Wrath talents at level 20 isn't Vanilla like, that's just a lazy cope paste of Season Of Disc-recovery

[@ab-zh5ml]

i agree. phase 1 was pretty good. I stopped after that.

[@MetaGoblin]

/who stockades.

[@MalonzeProductionsGaming]

"We shouldnt expect more because we already have classic+" ok, then dont expect another expansion because you already have 10+ expansions.. dont expect new mounts, new story, new ANYTHING because you already have it. dont expect player housing cause you already have garrisons. These people are coping hard. and have never played any other game, let alone other version of wow besides retail, and it shows. its also been in my experience that the majority of new players have 0 respect for warcraft 1/2/3 and the original wow variations as they all started in mists / wod + and love the fact that its turning into palia, rather thn keeping to the WARCRAFT environment. SoD as just a fun, temporary season is FINE. its a simulation of new, quirky mechanics similar to how ascension and hour of twilight private servers play. but its NOT vanilla+

[@Zulgen123]

wise words malzone wow is really turning into a hugbox and taking the war out of warcraft. and the complacency from the playerbase is astounding. just willing to accept any garbage that is thrown at them with incursions, broken raids, and bugs still present since classic because their dev team is so small it can be counted on one hand. blizzard could write all wrongs and give us the true classic we've all desired since the beginning and I still wouldn't go back. im just sick of it all.

[@hurdurcur6894]

it sounds like blizzard employees spamming because that's what they want us to be happy with.

[@vladimir4526]

Classic+ or not.. who cares. Anything could be Classic+, even Retail. I dont expect more than something refreshing and not completely shit because its 2024 Blizzard. They are not capable of improving this game.

[@MalonzeProductionsGaming]

​@vladimir4526 and that mentality right there is why they won't change. Complacency.

[@ab-zh5ml]

Thats isn't the argument. the argument is, that classic players wanted vanilla with NO changes. They got that. classic plus would require changes. so how many changes and which changes are ok? dual spec? rdf? without those 2 at a minimum, u won't get many players. look at Warmane servers, the players want those more than any other change.

[@daleaker327]

Classic minus

[@timoz.1795]

Good Video. SoD is terrible. Blizzard should Just Release fresh era Servers. They have Not enough ressources to devolop a proper Classic+

[@server1ok]

resources, as in "brains" or a freedom of expression for the devs

[@normanmonrow7554]

They shouldn't be developing a classic + anyway. None of yall should be playing on official servers anyway. You're a spineless ape who just wants to CONSOOOM CONSOOOM, thats literally you. Do your family a favor and go play in traffic.

[@normanmonrow7554]

Should have been playing on private servers and not mindlessly give blizzard money.

[@TrustyFriend]

My wishful thinking wants to believe that SoD is the developers testing the waters and seeing if the higher ups will allow them to develop further on the concept of Classic+. Reason tells me that Blizzard will continue to just milk seasonal content because it’s easy money.

[@i.m.3940]

Blizzard has a serious problem with resource allocation, creativity and ability to make the most out of the limited resources they are given, or in other words simply competence. SoD and all other versions of Classic are a prime example of that. It is quite obvious at this point that the Classic team is completely starved of resources because of the policies in place at the company right now, however that is not an excuse for the extremely bad quality of the content we're seeing in SoD. A truly competent development team, even one that is lacking resources, would NEVER come up with something as bad as incursions. And thats only one of the many problems, the list goes on and on. It seems that SoD has an identity crisis, the people in charge of it have no clear vision for the game and are incapable of producing anything unique that would fit the spirit of vanilla WoW and thats why with each new phase SoD is starting to look more and more like a "Retail minus" type of game instead of "Classic plus". It was interesting seeing your thoughts, I honestly didn't expect you to last as long as you did considering how bad SoD is.

[@RCD4444]

Sod is not classic + its Retail -

[@flix1179]

i disagre, i dont think wow as a game in general have a black and white dicotomy thats, everything thats not retail, is classic, and everything thats not classic, is retail, u guys cant really think deep about it, and because of that classify everything with retail when its not a ""pure vanilla", Sod is not retail, neither "pure" classic, is a differente game WITH ppl with retail mindset...but guess what? classic in 2019 already have retail mindset, gdkp, notalk and no socialize, the main problem is the ppl, not the game in itself, cause most of wow problem is a innate MMO problem, end-game and stuff. Retail have vast "types" of game philosophy, which retail mentality? Cata? DF? devs? retail player base as a "false" classic player base? What classic? From beta? alpha? first patch? Last patch? Maybe the classic is not the game in itself but our feeling about changes compared to the game as it used to be, both games are good in they own way, every complain i heard in this game about the game itself, most is not the game, but the comunity and desbalance issues, same for classic or retail; u guys need to stop thinking black and white and try to understand thing a little better, a transicion is not black and white stuff, its progressive, by progressive, its means thats even the progressive way change, so, when we talk about "this is not 1(classic) so its 9! (retail)", no, thats can be 2,3,4...8 and yet, 9. The game changes so much, the retail game is based on playars desire, not the game in itself. Classic "spirit" is about openworld stuff, learning skills and use in a efficient way u resource, is about progression since level 1, by profession, by rep, by gear, by mobs, by recipes, classic is about a progression thats start at 1, everything u do matter, the progression, 90% of that, is in the world, not in a instance, u progression toward a adventure and in the world, not in a single istance ( because the instance is the "final" of u journey). retail is more about the "final" part, u skip progression since 1, u skip the open world, u skip everything to JUST focus on the Gameplay, skill and rotation aspect, in other words, in classic u play the whole game, in retail u play u class.

[@usedcolouringbook8798]

I played for the community and in Phase 1 that DIED so quick, especially after the extra 2 weeks. Went from being able to group and chat with no problem to general chat being dead and near impossible to get a group unless it was for a specific dungeon farm for BFD BiS.

[@Grodoo]

One of the reasons we don’t have a reason to log in every day is because everything is known and streamlined so that it goes really fast and efficient to do “the meta”.

[@dontmatter1368]

"He came, he saw, he left quite disappointed" like he imagined he would. Sucks this is where we are after 20 years of game play but wcyd 😮‍💨

[@ichhabdochkeeahnung]

First phase was fun cause of the early leveling is so engaging. PvP event in Stranglethorn i enjoyed as well. Gnomeregan is a good raid. The rest was horrible.

[@icestrolo]

So basically retail 😂😂😂

[@server1ok]

Why would I need a PVP event for Stranglethorn ? Wasn't this zone a natural cancer PVP place in all other versions of Vanilla ? and what happens when the event is over ? does Stranglethorn turn into a SOVIET Utopian state ? So many questions, so few answers ..

[@loony6302]

I quit SoD in P1 when lvl25 green items started going +120g on AH, economy got ruined from the get go and parsebois made sure you wont be able to find groups if you dont carry full consumes/buff on you to everywhere and got those orange/purple logs from first few resets.

[@m.moonsie]

I played SoD in season 1 and then quit because I didn't feel I was playing a classic WoW.

[@theejiii]

Not usually one to write comments, but as someone who is relatively new to raiding in WoW (mainly leveled and did dungeons with friends when 2019 classic dropped, played on a Wrath private server, etc), from my perspective, SoD was a really great thing for me and many others I know playing it. With how they initially approached the leveling experience, being way shorter to get to the point where you could play the end phase content, with newer abilities and things they introduced bringing, in my opinion, a nice added flavor to classes. I think beyond around early P2, the botting problem I encountered was extremely minimal, although I always thought sites like Reddit, as they do, blew a lot of the problems out of proportion (I do play on a smaller server in Europe though, so that might be why). As previously said, as someone who has never delved deep into MMOs besides playing with a small group of friends, finding a real community I could be a part of within a game, doing things in and out of the game, has been some of the most fun I have ever had in a game, (hell, I ended up going on a stag do with a guildie i met within SoD lmao) and in general, comparing to private servers and Wrath Classic, the community in general has always been way more enjoyable to play with. That being said, I definitely don't think SoD has done everything perfect. The STV PvP was fun to start with, when people hadn't figured out playing by the boss gave you bonus blood, hopping on with a 5 stack roaming around STV was hella fun, but as people figured out to play around the boss, a lot of the spawns became such a drag to play, especially for non-casters. Although I think this is fixed now, throughout all of P2, BGs had been completely neutered if you were a soloq player, as the rep rewards for doing an STV far exceeded those of queuing a BG normally, which was a shame, as for me, AB always seemed more fun than running WSG and STVs off cooldown (but maybe that's because I did 2 collective exalted farms in the span of a few days lol). While I think for some classes, the addition of new runes have been really fun, with people pushing over Naxx numbers at 50, the power creep is definitely way too much, especially from looking back at original classic (someone can correct me if I'm wrong as I never raided in OG classic) where the difficulty hasn't really increased at all, and the player base seems to want that, I mean look at how they completely gutted the challenge of ST. Class balancing has seemed to be an issue throughout, although I don't really expect every class to be winners, there's always going to be those that perform the best and worst, but looking at right now in P3, comparing to original vanilla, not a whole lot has changed in terms of that viability, aside from a few outliers. Incursions I think, while it was nice to level super fast and earn a ton of gold whilst doing so, it being so much better than any other form of leveling, whilst being so monotonous, is a massive oversight by the dev team, I think if its your first time leveling a character there, it completely takes out the fun of discovering the world and doing the quests, maybe it should be an option on par with other methods for those who have already leveled a character, but it seems to me to have completely killed the "MMOness", although for those who want to level efficiently, as I enjoy to do, there will always be dungeon spammers and mage boosters to get you there. Overall, I so far have quite enjoyed SoD as a newer player wanting to try and fully experience classic, and I will try and continue to play until it concludes, however, it certainly has problems which could become a massive deal I think if not addressed. The experimental nature of it has definitely become more apparent overtime I feel, which I think can be both a good and bad thing. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk!

[@GodOfWar187]

If it wasn't for my guild, I'd have stopped playing by now probably. I do like Sunken Temple surprisingly as a level-up raid, but outside of that, the only thing I really have to do is level my alts. The problem is once I level my alts I don't really feel like raiding on them as well. I think a big part of that is just I'm burned out on doing the same thing over and over again during the level up process. I expected there to be more variety for us in SoD if it is indeed a "beta test" for an actual Classic+ but before Incursions all you had were the level-up raids every 3 days for a chunk of xp and that was it as far as a "new experience" goes, and then Incursions also ended up being a huge disappointment, so I don't even feel like taking my alts through them. We'll see if they're saving any big things for the level 60 phases like a brand new zone or new dungeons, but if there really is a plan for a true Classic+ in the future, I certainly hope they take into account the 1-60 experience a good bit more and think of other new and fun activities to add into the game. Granted, I guess in a true Classic+ there wouldn't be phases that time gate levels and you'd just go straight to 60, but I'd still like them to think of something better than what they did with Incursions.

[@putmeincoachpls]

What are you gonna be playing on stream if you don't like SoD?

[@Alexensualtv]

Going to level on Classic Era and switch over to Cataclysm on Tuesday with the pre-patch!

[@Agrippa91]

Project Epoch, here we come!

[@HerrSoder]

DOA Only Everlook is making a decent server. Fresh after summers

[@Zajedwabisty124]

​@@HerrSodereverlook fresh?

[@ccdsds3221]

@@HerrSoderchina fresh

[@cuzidk]

@@HerrSoderwait why is it DOA?

[@HerrSoder]

@@ccdsds3221 China makes a good contribution to pservers. Banning them is just plain stupid. Bots/RMT is a different thing

[@bigbizzhc]

During p1 the bots were level 16 rogues in sfk

[@Trazynn]

Due to time constraints I was a verry casual player who barely managed to get to the max level before each season ended. So not the target audience. But still I deeply enjoyed it because I was finally able to play classic (and some bonus stuff I guess) from the Horde point of view on crowded servers. So I'm satisfied but I get how this isn't enough for serious players.

[@justinmccray5014]

glad you actually tried it. Im slowly leveling a warlock. Only play an hour per week on this server. I agree this isnt classic+ like turtle wow or epoch but at least they made an attempt. Cataclysm classic gets me excited as playing the next retail expansion. :P

[@pip5528]

I sorta play SoD on and off again but lately I've been playing a lot of EverQuest Project Quarm.

[@server1ok]

On and off and rarely, this is according to Blizzards plan. Just enough to get that 15 USD while keeping you away from the server load cost

[@abadad16]

project epoch server review pleaseeee

[@NorthernWalks]

Good but ruined by cross faction

[@solomonsneed8616]

with seeing no bots, they did make a change where new accounts cant trade or use the AH until they used 30 days of sub time. Just to make you aware good vid

[@bspus]

You are right about most of your criticisms. Particularly, the runes powercreep, busted economy and broken pvp. Still I find the experience good enough to at least want to stick around for a while longer. I have to say though, I do not consider it to be low effort, even if it might not be the direction we would prefer it to be, there is a lot of work being done. The whole endeavor is a work in progress and I'd be surprised if in the end they let it all go to waste. I predict something more permanent will come out of it. The first phase really was a lot of fun, but you cannot experience that now unfortunately. By the time we get to 60 I should be more able to make a decision whether this is worth continuing or perhaps move to Epoch which should be out by then. Or just quit wow again.

[@server1ok]

It is a low work effort, considering that Classic more than doubled the sub base of WoW but SOD is getting 15 % of the time allocation of retail. In addition, SOD is ( again ) killing the open world with too much focus on a limited number of closed dungeons, incursions ( which are in effect an instance ) and a summoned PVP, which is PVP at your personal discretion only

[@incogark4983]

I've enjoyed parts of SOD but agree with those saying it's lazy game design. Don't think I can ever go back to Vanilla/era wow now though, hopefully Epoch is the answer to Classic+.

[@server1ok]

Epoch is a carebear PVE project. It's nothing like Vanilla because in 2005 Blizzard was forced to kill and consolidate PVE servers but couldn't open new PVP servers fast enough

[@WorstYTChannel]

Played a bit during the first season and the economy was already fucked then. People at level 25 running around with hundreds of gold already. I also felt like it was a raid log server, unless you were doing ashenvale pvp or the raid there was literally nothing to do.

[@thenjry]

"I didn't like SoD" - Alex *mindblown meme* :O

[@Derpleton14]

Would you consider making a video responding to some of Asmongold's suggestions on how to fix modern WoW, specifically his stance on addons? Ngl I've been feeling more drawn to retail lately as a casual player because Blizzard is putting more than minimal effort into it in terms of the content being new and it also gives ways to be anti-social, which you may think sounds odd as someone wanting the old school MMO vibe. But I prefer to not have to deal with minmax parse andies and Classic doesn't provide away to avoid those people without starting your own guild. So I stick to queues and a small group of IRL friends in game.

[@Alexensualtv]

I would need to do more thought process but my current opinion is that addons should NOT be banned, I do not agree with him on that one, I do believe parsing should be banned

[@rb-uu7du]

@@Alexensualtv i think its more about blizzard should improve their UI to negate the necessity of addons. new players don't want to download a ton of addons just to be able to raid

[@Alexensualtv]

@@rb-uu7du asmon once said that there's too much stuff going on on the screen in retail, its not the addons, its the game, they need to change it

[@server1ok]

Try Turtle WoW. You can chill out, 3 k usually online, not too crowded but also not completely dead for leveling in the open world. Nobody is going to min max or yell at you when you are killing elite Ogres at lvl 19. This is the solution to WoW = Quit Blizzard and move one. Be anti social in your own way

[@saintemz4648]

STV Bloodmoon is honestly one of the best events they have added to the game, although it still has its rough edges even after a bunch of fixes. I just wish I could play this game mode on a fresh classic or classic+ server instead of SoD and its balance breaking runes.

[@hurdurcur6894]

Sounds like those praising comments are coming from blizzard bots XD As it was very very VERY obvious to me whomever designed SOD has not taken any classes in game development. they dont apply the KISS rule requiring an addon to do incursions. many other basic rules in game dev have been ignored. I'd love to hear PirateSoftware go over all the things they f'd up dev wise to show its a completely unexperienced zoomer team that created this dog vomit.

[@aaron5222]

Can't invest my time into a seasonal sever. Been playing retail; decided to play season 4. Idk I like retail only thing I don't like is my months of farming gear then it's replaced in one raid night to trash gear

[@Cromius771]

I see bots everywhere on Crusader Strike, Feralas has tons of bots so does booty bay and ratchet

[@server1ok]

You don't see the bots when you are raid logging, or doing instanced content like incursion and BG. Didn't play it but I knew that the world is basically dead, because Blizzard

[@digitaladblogadmin3388]

Good to see you back Alex

[@RAMSEYM2402]

Not great at all, but apart from the current retail game, not much else on offer. Logged onto Epoch today, saw 19 online and yeh, it is Beta, but i'm not confident at this stage. I really hope things pick up though.

[@Rinavani]

I tried it on launch. Got to twenty and was like yeah this ain’t it at all.

[@trj7956]

Phase 1 was really fun. Phase 2 was awful. Had a lot of fun finding the runes in Phase 1, and doing BFD, but they really failed with the rune discovery in phase 2/3. Gnomer was also a godawful raid. No idea why they thought it would be a good idea to make a universally hated dungeon as the raid, and then they did dumb shit like making the last boss instaspawn ontop of you too. Community also showed how bad it was in Phase 2 with people not wanting to do anything but SM Spam, and the excessive gold buying even with GDPKs banned. Phase 3 is even worse. Incursions lmao.

[@LogoRR]

No surprise that you didnt like it (I didnt like it either). Its quite a shallow experience for people that have played a lot of vanilla. Nothing really feels like new content. The people that I see fanboying over it are retail players that, for whatever reason, are now on the classic servers. From gearscore, to log elitism, to being silent in dungeons and raids, to the shitty level up systems theyre parading, to gold buying... the retail community has been bringing their culture into SOD. Not only is the game trash but so are many of the players.

[@Alexensualtv]

I did warn people years ago that these two communities needed to be seperated ; )

[@Mr.Chedda_]

@@Alexensualtv AWR

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

Thats why roleplay servers are goated if you know to avoid the weird ppl, much more casual

[@server1ok]

Amen brother

[@server1ok]

Welcome back Alex On this platform you can stream whatever version, official, private servers and private servers from many other games. Freedom. Don't take it lightly.

[@shamantank]

4:45 this isn’t really true, there could be incentives to go back and run old raids if items like the murloc egg or attack chicken worked after swapping trinkets (like the mechanical dragonlings do), or if the debuff from the gnomer fist weapon worked on all targets. But nah instead they made these items useless beyond the phase they came out in

[@Alexensualtv]

as a priest, my pre bis trinket was in BFD, and a lot of my pre-bis gear is in gnomer, I had to rerun those raids

[@shamantank]

@@Alexensualtvyeah I honestly think that was just oversight by blizz

[@shamantank]

@@Alexensualtvthe items I’m talking about could be valuable even at end game if they weren’t nerfed, same goes for the new fist of the damned weapon in ST - it still has 100% spellpower scaling in classic and it would make spellhance a viable spec if they kept it that way (but it was nerfed to only 10% spellpower scaling for sod)

[@server1ok]

@@shamantank Late Vanilla WoW did that normalization bs with most SP items, but the axe from Hakkar was spared ( + a couple of other super rare items ) and so should Season Of Disc Recovery be granted items with a 100 % scaling. Not that I play the garbage but I mean, for YOUR sake

[@potatochipofdafuture]

“Raid lockout simulator with new abilities.” Dude. Thank you for expounding on the multitude of problems with SoD. It feels highly inorganic and the communication between players is sterile and often vitriolic, to top off.

[@wythore]

I tired SoD when it came out but I quickly quit it and moved on to Turtle WoW. That server is exactly how blizzard should have done classic+

[@BobbyFlay14]

I’ve gone to turtle wow. Also has a nice graphical update

[@ZeRO65432]

Such a shame Blizz can't operate like a private server and have a short and effective chain of command. They could've done such great things with Classic..

[@CrixGuides]

Holy shit I looked up after I typed this and realized it's a novel. Sorry, not sorry. Anywya, as someone who's been playing since day one, Not casually, sweaty, speedrunning, WF racing, etc and i'm fucking hating it and hating himself for still playing it. It's ass right now. I'm(along with many people I imagine) holding out hope for LV 60 raids to be dope. Speedrunnning and what not. I just hope we dont get the same boring ass MC/BWL(and also hope they change the fire Immune/resists since i'm a lock tank.) But yeah. Its a fun game with all the runes, the quick easy raids, nothing you really need to farm. I think SoD isn't made to be like a main game, like say WOTLK , TBC, Classic, etc, but rather treat it like your side hoe that you raid log. Very causal friendly game and alt friendly if that's your cup of teat. Or it can be just a nice filler game until Cata or War Within, IDK. As someone who sweats in literally all versions of WoW right now at a decent level I absolutely did not plan to keep playing SoD after Cata preptach, but i'm addicted the the beautiful trainwreck it's becoming. Altho they're making good strides on some fronts IMO. Love the runes(even the Warlock Runes are ass and some of the runes are literally CRAZY. Like the mage one that takes like 4 hours or whatever to go find 30 million books scattered over the entire world. Like come on, whoever did that is diabolical at best and should be fired or at the very least docked holiday pay, IDK fuckin something), the NO GDKP/ banning for GDKP's is completely nefarious, but needed(altho I do think it fucked the economy up, but IDC because G2G) and the ban is HILARIOUS.(Loved tasting tears of the salty guys with 9 alts on reddit, YT commentts and my chat complaining about not being able to afford consumes since they can't join a GDKP for their pretty 10gold 8silver payout. But yeah I truly think Blizz is *almost* there and LV 60 is fine cut and ready to blast with no issues. *Huffing large amounts of copium* Or no life it like i am, i'm not here to tell you how to spend your $15. Either way, glad to See you playing Classic Alex. As an longtime viewer, never unsbbed during the RXP/HC scandal days because I knew you'd be back and also a fellow PServer preferer(not sure that's a word) these blizzard servers don't come close to the fun of pservs, but hey, at least we can stream Blizzard servers without getting banned amarite. Big cheers, welcome back and good luck out there. PS. Blizzard deadass need to emulate that Ascension WoW private Server. Just literally copy everything they're doing, launch that beginnning of 2025, with the normal $15 a month sub(or mayeb have it be it's own for $5 or something cheap, prob would make money since I'd bet hella people whopay $5 for a legit Blizzard sacntioned Ascension Server and watch the subs come in. So many ppl would play that. Blizzy doens't need to make new games, the format it out here, Just wipe right and emulate.

[@Alexensualtv]

thanks man, feel free to come chill in stream with us, I lurk yours from time to time. SOD has a lot of weird decisions, for example why is Shadowfiend locked behind a low drop rate in scarlet monstery? I literally gotta farm a low lvl dungeon for one of my best spells? lmao its like a 1% drop rate

[@deffar]

If we didn't have PE or 🐢, I'd say SoD is a good classic+ experience. But the fact that we have those two servers, for free as well, makes SoD a huge disappointment.

[@apj8474]

People who are bored at the game should really try arena in cata. Arena is like a fast paced version of chess, make a bad move and suffer the consequences. Learn from Mistakes. It’s challenging and fun when you find partners that aren’t toxic. Give it a try. The competitiveness is addictive.

[@ab-zh5ml]

I have a different opinion on the GDKP. Although i don't think i would have done any in SOD, i think it is the best loot system ever. they need to stop the illegal gold selling. Not take away player to player loot rules. I have done many gdkps and it is the best way to spend the money i have made in game. I have never bought gold. I think they learned the lesson with sod though. If they try to remove GDKP from wotlk or Cata, they will lose the majority of subs. This is another example of if you don't want to do something like gdkp, then just don't do it. Every player in a gdkp is doing the same EXACT thing that a regular raid is doing. Just because the raid leader didn't give gear to his buddy, doesn't make gdkp bad.

[@Muffincakeswithsugar]

Alex my BROTHERRR. I appreciate your upfront and honest take on this

[@brysonflippin151]

One thing to consider is that SoD isn’t finished. We are only doing “leveling content”. We haven’t touched end game yet. I am enjoying SoD so far but not as much as I did in phase 1. That is mostly because of my close friends that played in phase 1 and have stopped playing since and are waiting till end game. SoD is very stretched out. I’m glad they are because of how runes work and how class balance has been crazy. If they had pushed SoD out at a faster paste it would have been all over the place with balance and bugs. I do have some hopeium for sure and this isn’t the classic plus I wanted. Turtle is far better imo. They are throwing everything retail/wotlk into classic and the play style isn’t very classic. Too many runes and too much power. It sure feels like this is a beta for what’s to come. Hopefully a true classic plus permanent progressive server. Hope SoD get better for you in the later phases. Glad to have the king back with the great content!

[@server1ok]

It's finished alright. With all version of Vanilla WoW. What you see is what you get. If the game is open world and alive at level 20 ? it will be alive and open world at level 60. If the game is instanced, optional and dead at level 20 ? the game is dead at level 60 too. Don't fool yourself mate. You're too intelligent to fool yourself.

[@icestrolo]

What do you mean by we we "only" experienced the leveling - lvling is the main part of classic, if that sucks already, i have VERY low hopes for future content... All this rush to endgame mentality reeks of retail garbage 🤮🤮

[@brysonflippin151]

@@server1ok except the world wasn’t dead at 20? (Im assuming you mean 25 for the first phase)

[@brysonflippin151]

@@icestrolo don’t compare vanilla or classic to a seasonal server. If leveling was truly the only good thing or “main” part of classic. The leveling of vanilla or classic only lasts for 2 months and then the remaining YEARS of the game is end game (world content, raids, PvP, etc.). The main thing of vanilla isn’t leveling. It’s the world. The world and its content is what makes vanilla top tier. If vanilla only had leveling then it would be a dead game. Why do the majority of people do everything they can to skip the leveling process with boosts or doing things like incursion farming. Leveling in vanilla is great I agree. But there’s so much more to vanilla than that

[@server1ok]

@@brysonflippin151 It's dead and for several reasons. 1. Vanilla PVP has to be spontaneous. You can't have an opt out or special PVP zones. Turning a zone into a dedicated PVP event makes a grind out of PVP, while PVP in Vanilla was just that, player vs. player and rewarded nothing but the possibility of staying alive and doing quests, or forcing players away from a zone. When you make a PVE grind out of PVP it's over. It's dead. Why do I need a PVP event for Stranglethorn ? Stranglethorn was always a PVP zone because the players decided that, and not Blizzard. 2. Layering, sharding, whatever it's called and making the world insanely small. If you got corps camped in Ashenvale in SOD ? you have to turn off PVP. In Vanilla WoW ( the real game ) you had to change zone, level some other char or call for help. The game is dead m8 the only reason that you can't see that. 1. You play retail 2. You are a young person. All current MMO's are dogshit

[@Cabum85]

thank for taking the bullet for us ;)

[@AlphaSmoke100]

phase 1 and 2 were really fun but yeahhh phase 3 is the worst so far still optimistic that lvl 60 content will turn things around

[@yeaa321]

I know you hate season of discovery Alex I saw your first title 😂

[@dannyp9210]

SoD feels like 'retail minus' as there isn't much 'classic' about it anymore. It's designed with a 'retail mindset', probably in order to entice retail players to play, when there's a lack of content in retail, while at the same time trying to keep Classic players. Yet again Blizzard is trying to appeal to everyone, but what happens is that no one is satisfied. They're doing seasons like this in order to keep the 'Monthly Active Users'-metric high.

[@coldmountain1997]

Fresh vanilla when

[@golvellius6855]

Sod = retail -1.3

[@teddybrixxg2782]

Rip sod

[@server1ok]

Season Of Disc Recovery

[@Followtheham]

SoD is definetly not the classic+ we deserve and therefore i sincerely hope this is just a BETA for the classic+ we want and DESERVE! But im enjoying myself ngl, but this is far from enough... Just see all the Classic+ private servers with all their content.

[@Ausf.D.A.K.]

Good review, I agree.

[@rydzyko662]

AWR

[@diredevil1]

I feel like sod is step in good direction for blizz, lets be honest with all the mistakes they done they are actively trying to improve it, which us refreshing to see. For me while im not the fan of sod concept(runes op, incursions, etc.) the biggest gripe is the community of official servers which is soo lets say dead brain and zoomerlike with all the gs, gdkp, achievement meta nonesense and the bots. I feel like the best part of wow community already left and is refuging at private servers or other mmos.

[@TelvanniWizardMoneyGang]

wow just in time for cata classic huh

[@paradigmshift7541]

just wanted classic plus, not retail minus

[@dropbodyz5725]

Classic Era, Deviate Delight starting to get people to pop off playing like a fresh vanilla server agreed to run in 4 phases 10 weeks long each

[@server1ok]

no f... thank you not at all

[@badwolfxd3593]

I was instantly 👎 on your take, but after hearing you out i absolutely agree with most of what you said. Good vid 👍👍

[@Alexensualtv]

Glad you enjoyed

[@larosa823]

Alexsensual ASMR

[@chalo3427]

I genuinely will never understand how people keep going on about this "classic+" bullshit that's somewhat what they're trying to do with SoD. praising some random private servers for "adding more content to classic" is ridiculous because can you imagine that we already have that from the official developers of the game it's called.................... TBC and every expansion after vanilla the idea of adding more content after the last raid in classic makes absolutely no sense considering there's literally years of expansions worth of story and content doing exactly that and sure for blizzard's classic and SoD it doesn't "feel classic or mmorpgish or w/e" but that's 90% on the people playing the game and has nothing to do with the developers everyone just rushes to 60 in classic and then you do the raids and once the raids are over the server dies the only reason something like Nostalrius was so popular back when it was a thing is because it was just one of a kind it's like molten-wow with WoTLK simply the most popular so everyone wanting to play that particular era goes and just plays that (if that even still exists) if anything blizzard's choice to cap levels at a certain level and revamp dungeons that people would usually do like once if even that because they're rushing to 60 into raids that people actively do because it's current content for said level is actually a great thing you simply missed out on doing it while it was current (honestly so have I because I stopped at like level 25 in SoD) also I remember from that classic funserver you were promoting that there's tauren priests there's literally tauren priests on retail too at what point does a "classic+" server stop being classic and basically becomes pretty-much-retail-just-in-vanilla PS as much as it doesn't look like it - I hate blizzard very much, I'm just being realistic the only hope is an entirely new game that values the mmorpg genre properly which I highly doubt will ever happen because it also needs enough people to play it to make it feel that way which is hard to get nowadays because MMORPG in general are not popular anymore

[@Zajedwabisty124]

Vanilla is amazing game mc and bwl later is downhill items are too strong and always servers have drops when aq out. Alterac valley should be daily or something. Minor changes can do this game great again but its hard with bots and goldbuyers, farming is big part MMO. Ofc new players no join this, they addicted to 15sec videos on tik tok this is no game for human like this. Sod complety destroy lvling part like retail and fucked world. Also any new MMO can be good bcs tiktok era no have patience

[@setysamson2630]

At this point people will complain about anything in the game.

[@Alexensualtv]

In the video, I went over what I liked about it also?

[@akajimzi]

THIS GUY SPITS STRAIGHT FACTS

[@justinbiscuit1014]

I thought it was fun for the first few months, but its been downhill since. Incursions are terrible.

[@Upright1337]

Lowest effort content, felt it was obvious at reveal.

[@surebud1765]

Classic+ explanation was dead on. Classic+ should be a world after naxx

[@raiton2005]

i missed yuo

[@musicdamar583]

SoD simply made me realize I don't want a +... i want pure vanilla. Turtle WoW is the closest thing to a plus, but even that little amount of additions turned that game into a frankenstein abomination with all the extra weird things going on. Vanilla recipe, CANNOT be broken.... EVER!

[@server1ok]

Loladins are pretty impossible to kill in the open, but oh well, the PVP server failed anyway so it doesn't matter

[@kalsizzle]

I mean not a surprise you wouldn't like it. The only good thing about it is the new raids tbh PVP and open world content is bad. Incursions need to be deleted, I feel like an idiot if I want to be out in the world questing like im just wasting my time.

[@Frozkadurrr]

I dont need or want plus, original vanilla is good enough, all we need is fresh every 1.5 years or so

[@yellamokram]

i have to do a repgrind to get a spell? no thanks , id say save that for retail but even retail isnt that bad

[@Alexensualtv]

I have to farm scarlet monastery for Shadowfiend.. and it's a low drop rate.. a MAJOR COOLDOWN SPELL, what are they thinking?

[@saintemz4648]

@@Alexensualtv Phase 2 release I just wanted to quest to level from 25 to 40, found out on day 2 that Aspect of the Viper was a random drop in SM. I finally got it 12-15 hours later of grinding SM half way through 39...

[@Nyt250]

Fully agree with your points actually and have gone from playing multiple hours a day in p1 to raidlogging on 1 char in p3. I only disagree with your take on GDKP tho, I know you personally don't like it but GDKP has advantages such as incentives for skilled and geared players to play with pugs, more incentive for alts, more satisfaction from raiding, etc. GDKP is bad because of copious amounts of botting and gold buying that barely gets addressed by blizzard.

[@server1ok]

Correct, the bots are issue number 1, but because they can't stop the botting, the GDKP has to get banned until they can actually fix the game ( not that I'm playing it )

[@Zulgen123]

kudos at least you shut up the "but you never tried it" crowd. I have a suspicion that resilience wont do much to save SoD either. we missed the massive hype train at the beginning and potential fun with phases because blizzard is always two steps behind. now we're stuck with Era GDKPs and inflation. beats playing dead private servers though.

[@juanchogonzalez8181]

i get on reddit pretty much everyday, nobody is throwing flowers at sod, the game is shit, unplayable piece of shit aggrend is an idiot and is so out of reality, there is literaly nothing to do outside raid, pvp is garbage, economy is so broken becouse of bots going rampan for months and exploids

[@Zakarothgx]

i enjoyed it when level 25 was the cap for like 5 months. After this, I didn't even get to level 40. Just boring. Overly toxic community. Everyones tryharding. Its anti fun.

[@midnightblue1874]

Classic+ is basically TBC with Vanilla lore and aesthetics, SoD on the other hand imho is pile of trash, Retailers den kinda...

[@MaidensRag]

duskhaven WHENNNNN...

[@Clariselol]

SoM was the best season tbh

[@moquilla1]

If you stop giving them money, they'll stop making shitty games.

[@server1ok]

I want to enlist on a discount that will lock my unborn child in a 20 year subscription, and for this I get a new pet that looks like Xi Jinping and this new pet has a pet of its own that looks like Piglet

[@nonanimeprofilepic]

classic wow players are never happy with anything lol

[@Alexensualtv]

In America you’re allowed to not like something

[@nonanimeprofilepic]

@@Alexensualtv what if ur in canada?

[@simecki4222]

Play Turtle WoW bois and thank me later

[@corys4107]

sod is fun, and im a era gdkp player, at least u tried it tho

[@LittleLoz]

Gdkp is cancer

[@inwardmvmt5533]

Alex why don’t you raid classic era on white and cluster

[@mohdalmarri5537]

turtle better!

[@server1ok]

Turtle sisters

[@mkolembembe392]

true, people dont talk anymore. Chat is dead, only numbers matter. Typical modern behavior, officially endorsed by Microsoft and mainstream Western culture

[@honokakousaka5742]

Cata and War Within will be better.

[@ColCoal]

I am having fun with it. I am always up for new classic content.

[@preslim84]

keep in mind this is more of a beta test for future seasons or hopefully a more permanent classic+

[@Alexensualtv]

but you are paying $15 a month and it's advertised as a complete product

[@preslim84]

@@Alexensualtv are mmo's ever a complete product tho?

[@Alexensualtv]

@@preslim84 additional gameplay patches like black temple and gates of AQ are not beta, they are added content you pay monthly for

[@server1ok]

@@preslim84 Well, at least not in the case of Blizzard 😂

[@RadialTemporal]

Gotta agree with you here. Phase 3 has been pretty disappointing so far. P1/2 were pretty good overall content wise but phase 3 has not been that fun. The incursions are simply the most efficient way of farming xp AND you get a crap ton of gold. Bad design. Sunken Temple could have been really good but they nerfed it into the ground and its just so easy now. The runes for the most part are pretty lazy. It's just Blizz adding abilities from TBC/Wrath and onward. Some of the runes are just too powerful leading to a terrible PVP experience. They need to rebalance almost everything. However if we are talking strictly PVE, I find most classes are more fun to play versus vanilla or even Wrath class design wise. Now for what I disagree with. Simply saying "go play turtleWoW or another Pserver". Hell no....I have not once played on a GOOD private server. They all have there issues. TurtleWoW for example is not stable at all server wise. It crashes all the time and you're also forced to use the old janky vanilla client. I also don't like their approach with class balance. They did not do enough for class balance. All of the OP classes(warrior/rogue) are still OP and the "hybrid" classes are still crap for dps. I will admit the custom content on Twow is very cool. Just not worth it over the stability issues, class balance and janky vanilla client.

[@server1ok]

You don't seem to like any version, private or official crap servers. You should get another day job or stick to Netflix

[@icestrolo]

Hahah I feel sorry for you but private servers, especially nostalrius and to a lesser degree lights hope were the pinnacle of world of warcraft. You just have 0 idea how good they were...

[@RadialTemporal]

@@icestrolo I played on Nost before it was shutdown. It was a cool server. Had ALOT of players on it but at the end of the day it was just vanilla WoW. And they also helped the whole classic WoW thing start with Blizzard via that meeting. Lights hope was okay but had some corruption scandal before it died. I've played most of the available Pservers at some point because lack of a good MMO and Blizz wasn't providing classic WoW as an option yet. I don't want to play Vanilla WoW anymore. I want a Classic+ version. Nost was not classic plus, neither was Light Hope. Project Epoch might be interesting. Turtle WoW comes close, but again they did not do enough with class changes for me to want to play. Thats why I'm playing blizzards SoD right now. New content and class changes. Some of it is bad but at the end of the day it is fresh. Might turn out bad or might be really good at 60. Nobody knows yet.

[@server1ok]

@@icestrolo Yes my man, the last time the world was alive

[@server1ok]

@@RadialTemporal You never played Vanilla and that's why you don't know what you want. This is a typical situation for the retail crowd. Let me tell you what Vanilla WoW is. Vanilla WoW is an open world MMO. Go to any zone and there should be masses of players just playing the game, lvling, farming, questing, RP and acting like RL bandits or corpse camping a character for 2 hours until the victim is forced to roll an alt. You hit level 15 or whatever the fuck and then you hit the BG button, there should be a low lvl WSG runnin 24/7 just for fun, then you go in there and complain that you are undergeared etc. even though you are f.. clueless about basic abilities at low lvl PVP and then you communicate and learn something new. You meet the enemies that will follow you all the way to level 60, in an open world and not this piece of crap instanced game of SOD with raid logging and wrath talents at lvl 20. Back in 2005, there's a reason why PVE servers were dying and Blizz barely had time to open enough PVP servers, the players wanted the world in warcraft, and not pet and gear collections that just sit in a dead bank while playing a solo game. It's f.. pathetic that you are complaining about gear, talents or whatever when you don't even play the same game as people that truly appreciate Vanilla

[@MikeyPaper]

Doomer wojak is at it again!

[@jasonbower7763]

What

[@Gravesmasher23]

I got bored of SOD, kinda more hyped for Cata. But one point, I disagree with, you cant say "Privat servers do more, for free" . PRivat servers are also illegal. So should not be counted on the same level.

[@xmorte]

they aren't on the same level, they're better

[@amberleaf42069]

Trying to ban parsing is so boomer Alex cmon just get good