I Raced a 5K Before the Marathon With NO TAPER! How Bad Could It Be?

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Doing a 5K in the depths of marathon training, what could go wrong? As ever Bristol Track Club put on a fantastic event with some incredible talent. It was super fun to run in the same race as my amazing team mate Ciara Mageean but how fast can I run on tired marathon legs. You'll have to watch to find out!
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[@markbateman9222]

Back in the day marathoners used to race quite often at short distances. Ron Hill, towards the end of his career reckoned that the better he raced at short distances the better he would go in the marathon itself. Top runners today race far less often that runners of yesteryear. The weekly race was common for many runners - it just took the place of a hard training session. Another of Ron Hill's quotes is that "running is running and I could never push myself as hard in training as in a race"

[@Wonderkid44]

I think it keeps you from getting rusty to. Coming from a boxing background, I fought much much better when the gap between matches was small and consistent. So when the competitions came, I felt ready already.

[@krruns4165]

Ron Hill was also known to train through illness and injury, almost refusing to rest. Tim Noakes, in the Lore of Running, wonders whether Hill could have achieved more if he'd trained smarter...

[@greenpenguin3154]

That is why back in your day marathon runners were slower

[@markbateman9222]

@@greenpenguin3154 How many UK men run 2:09 as Ron Hill did in 1970 - while holding down a responsible fulltime job in the textile industry? Bill Adcoks still holds the course record for the classic Marathon to Athens race. Take away advances in shoe technology and the significant sponsorship that top UK runners receive these days and yesterdays men were NOT slower than today's runners.

[@markbateman9222]

@@krruns4165 I've got Noakes' book on the shelves at home, very interesting read. Ron Hill would not have agreed with Noakes, he says in his autobiography, and several interviews over the years, that he feels his approach - twice a day, once on Sunday - was essential to his best performances.

[@rhydianruns]

Hey Phily - That is me at 10:18 having a photo with you! Thank you!

[@alanshrimpton6787]

Love your enthusiasm and honesty in your vlogs. Thanks Daniel for bring it together for us. Love from NZ

[@tonybowen455]

16:03 with people in front of you, what a stacked 5k

[@TheFODRunner]

Smashed it!! So good to meet you and see everyone there 💪 you worked your way through that field so well… each lap you looked stronger!

[@farizhakim9790]

feels I'm watching an Avenger movie when you, ben, matt, kelly and andy gather together haha. Great stuff :)

[@crashinglikewaves]

I love the return of the race vlogs!!!

[@mattb6873]

Dans cheering is unmatched. Great race Philly

[@themiddlebro111]

All those years of training as an actor have paid off! 🫡

[@nickmoore5105]

I'm loving your videos Philly and they always inspire me to get out and run and train properly!

[@ChloeHamard]

Those marathon legs did a great job, congrats on your race and on getting a session done afterwards!

[@jobanski]

Awe! Philly you had a young admirer! That girl will probably tell the story about how she met one of her running heroes, and how you inspired her!

[@adamtherunner92]

Congrats, rapid time and looked a fun race! Sorry about your bud and then having to get on a Ryanair seat. Good luck at altitude and safe travels!

[@geoffh2560]

all my fav youtubers in this video - yay!

[@milikoshki]

Well done, Phily!! You look so fit out there, really excited for what's coming!!

[@djclass005]

Love the grind is the best runners closing mantra! You chose well!:-)

[@lizgreen2936]

Well done!!.. Yr videos go in so fast I love them!!.. 🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️🏃‍♀️What Garmin do u have?.. Im looking to upgrade from F45....x

[@Snuzzcumber]

I think your best video. Very engaging and enjoyable. Sounds like nettle bum did you good :D

[@CliveWalker]

Great time, great race! How does Daniel film the post-race side-by-shots?! On a bike?

[@PhilyBowden]

Yeah we brought my bike and he filmed on that with the iPhone 😊

[@themiddlebro111]

Honestly IPhones are amazing and the only thing I use to film with when cycling, the stabilisation is in matched!

[@jocelyndunkley1607]

Looked like a really good race! What was your previous time last year? I think you mentioned 16:30 or something like that, great improvement if so!

[@DrProfX]

It’s also a good speed/critical velocity “workout” -the 5K is👍

[@taraorourke]

Not me thinking you were using perineal spray bottles 😅

[@simonhodgson4941]

Awesome running 🎉

[@HeHasNoName]

Man, I envy anyone who can rock up on race day and slap on a number and go. Ive gotta do it the night before and if it isnt perfectly centered im fully triggered.

[@ann_intube]

Well done! Regarding the advert: does that mean that Daniel can catch a break and you're cooking for a change? ;)

[@themiddlebro111]

What do you think? 😂

[@ann_intube]

@@themiddlebro111 we need to find a study or paper with the title "Cooking improves performance of athletes by 30%!!"

[@themiddlebro111]

@@ann_intube I’m writing one as we speak 😂

[@ann_intube]

@@themiddlebro111 I bet chat gpt can find one for you 😂

[@nolie9981]

What's taper? Im sorry for the question

[@lanbroghini]

Just means that she didn't decrease how much she is running leading up to the race.

[@yellowfolder]

someone who tapes, like the man behind the camera

[@ianjones9322]

Its like an ant eater i think???

[@kellyann4879]

taper is where you decrease the amount you are doing over a week usually before a race in order to have the freshest legs you can come race day.

[@michaelmccrossan7655]

A taper is a period depending on the athlete (1-3weeks) the volume of weekly training is reduced or tapered usually from peak week of training. A 2 week taper can be a reduction of 20% total volume week 1 followed by a further reduction of 40% total volume in week 2. Personally a 10 taper works best for me. Taper seems to be an individual thing based on the athlete 💪

[@BenKeeley-qx6pu]

Watched ben is runnings video and he said perfect conditions before his race someone’s lying 😭 🤔

[@PhilyBowden]

Tbf the conditions were pretty good by the time we raced 👌🏼

[@ZirothTech]

Great running Phily! Colour grading on the video also looking fire 🔥Gutted to have missed you both!

[@PhilyBowden]

Thanks Ryan! Daniel takes all credit for the colour grading 👏🏼 Hopefully we’ll see you another time!

[@themiddlebro111]

Thanks Ryan! Was testing out a new lense aswell so I think that helped 😉

[@jonathanp181]

Congrats! Impressive result for a race on tired legs 🙂! Must be a confidence booster for your upcoming marathon. Re your idea to use plant watering bottles for hydration: kudos for your creativity and ingenuity. But, just a minor thought (I work on food safety): are they food grade (e.g. wine glass and fork symbol)? If not, they may contain harmful chemicals that can migrate excessively into the fluid it contains. Perhaps not an issue if you use them just for the race (although taste can be affected), but perhaps useful to keep in mind if you start using them more consistently...

[@zpttpzzpt]

Saw you on Ben Is Running’s video and was PATIENTLY waiting for yours to drop!!

[@PhilyBowden]

Haha thank you for your patience

[@heeby123]

What a team. Daniel’s editing and Phily’s running 👌

[@themiddlebro111]

🫡

[@etapepartners]

good for you to race simply because you like racing...and a 16 min effort will certainly only help your marathon training. I train for longer mountain races, but I also run 5k and 10k on the road because they are fast and fun. my aspirational 5k goal for this summer is sub-19 mins...its amazing to me how fast you guys run...

[@ianjones9322]

Stung bums and pooey feet haha a day in the life 😂

[@christinaclementson]

Looked so strong out there. Fantastic running Phily. 💪💪

[@jamiegreen3960]

Love seeing you taking time to take photos and chat with the other runners, also that new balance kit is great

[@guywarner8391]

Amazing running. I cannot imagine finishing a race and then having to do another 2x2miles! Crazy! Congrats, shows what great shape you're in.

[@nathanwarren5616]

'I'm going to go out on a whim' LOL!😆😉

[@hamba1998]

Well done Phily! And congrats on 20k subscribers!

[@neilyoung449]

you crack me up , love the videos 👍

[@10stephenrose]

I enjoy your videos as an amateur runner. Inspiring and relatable, it’s nice to see your personality shine through ❤

[@jasonflorimonte3813]

Congratulations on a fine sesh and finer race all around! 2nd time at the race/course was a charm!

[@hellomark1]

This was a fun watch, great energy all around :)

[@remyleigh7535]

Well done Phily! Also very impressive how Daniel manages to film on the bike

[@themiddlebro111]

It’s a real skill 😂

[@mergy5325]

Well done Phily! Would be interesting to see how far you were off from 2nd and 1st

[@PhilyBowden]

Well Ciara won it in 15:24… so I was miles behind her! 😅

[@nicolestecklein8883]

I feel bad for your poor rear end....but it made for entertaining tv :)

[@lauraablitt6379]

I just love these videos ❤ Well done Philly

[@clairhardywynn5620]

🤦‍♀️ ffs Philly 🌱 🍑 😅 oh my god there multiplying 🐶 😂😂

[@pgleaves]

Your running form is supreme. Love your videos - thanks for sharing.

[@PhilyBowden]

Thank you so much 🥹 i used to not use my arms properly as a kid so I’ve come a long way!

[@OmiSido]

I admire the passion and sincerity that you display in your vlogs 👍

[@Leeroy49]

It's totally fine to race a 5k in marathon prep. Look at Ben he PBd with a Marathon just around the corner.

[@mattie_world]

i was thinking that 🤔

[@PhilyBowden]

Yeah I agree, not many people do it though

[@midlandmatt]

It's not the point that he pb'd in the 5km ... The London marathon is their main goal, so it can only be judged as fine or not after their marathon. Let's hope they both race their marathons well. I'm sure different strategies will suit people

[@psychedoutlorna]

Brilliant, Phily! I'm only starting out running again- 1.5 miles, 4 times this week, but I find your videos so motivating. Good luck with the impending marathon!!!

[@progbass56]

Philly! I have a daughter named Phyllis. I Love your personality and additude! And I'm so glad you survived Oregon and that you've come back! I'm 67 and have Metabolicy Disease, I've been doing Virta Health Reversing Diabetes protocol for almost 2 years. No Carbs for us! I'm now Fat Addapted!

[@garymacalister]

It was such a fab event at Odd Down. Glad to have very briefly met you there, and hi to Dan who I did have a good natter to at the start line. Although I went out in the first wave it was still great to race in such fast conditions. Good luck with your marathon!

[@artcafe2684]

That was awesome. I'm not sure if it is PC to say this or not, but I've noticed that your legs seems to be more muscular now. I don't know if that's a biproduct of training for a Marathon or joining the NB Running Team and going on all those training session trips. Great job coming in 3rd.

[@Nixsterruns]

Hey phily love the vids I'm quite new to running, keep getting niggles that put me out for a long time each time. I never really know how to warm up before or what sort of stretching to do after I just put something together but would be nice to have a routine. Reckon you could do a video on the drills you do before your running and stretches you do after?? Cheers nick

[@Awesome1914]

What brand of glasses are those? Also been thinking about getting those NB Fuelcell shoes for my first marathon in a few weeks, did you like running in them? Great video too 🎉🎉

[@katiesperry8250]

Love to bottles!! They’re the same one we use in my biology lab for ethanol to wipe down the lab benches!! A truly multifunctional object

[@jennyvaglin5511]

Sense you have been in Copenhagen to do a marathon. Have you ever considered going to Stockholm to do that marathon?

[@pbnotj1]

Keep bringing the joy and enthusiasm in running , that is why I love your channel ! Keeps inspiring us mere mortals to get out the door and stay healthy.

[@robertstenhouse3880]

Class video. Is Daniel on a bike on the grass on the inside of the track? Or does he just run really fast for a quick burst? 😂😂

[@fpupesh]

is that a garmin watch is see there :)

[@richardbutton5031]

Have you done the EK pace on Coros? The flash, Sprinter and Track Star ones I mean.

[@marathonranati]

Its basically a "5k test training run" we do that! love your work!

[@jochippyy]

Loving the new new balance kit phily

[@ajaybn]

Phily i already saw you did well on FOD runners channel.

[@Mixed.upMedia]

Where do you get your singlets from??

[@rubarb1275]

Great video, really enjoyed it 👍

[@edenratcliffe]

Love you and your videos so much!! ❤

[@bakerstreet7050]

"why your butt hurt?" ehmmmmm 😂🤣

[@Supafloppy]

Well done Philly. 🎉 🏆

[@nro337]

🔥

[@jmsanderson]

Wooooooo

[@francolive5718]

Old school mentality is that the best form of training is racing

[@PhilyBowden]

But you can’t race twice per week or you’d be absolutely ruined 😂

[@francolive5718]

My ankles are ruined on one parkrun, a long run and a leisurely swim per week 😆

[@maddieMdancer]

Daniel’s support during your run is unmatched 🥹🫶🏻