I returned my Apple Vision Pro.

[@OH-sv9hk]

I got a more clear and concise notion of what using this tech is actually like than anything I’ve seen previously. I am now much more interested in this tech than ever before. I will be following its development. Thanks Much!

[@rhodeislandhiker4745]

I love that he said he got sick with other VR headsets but not this one and this is the most blurry thing ever

[@santadam]

Thanks for confirming my own suspicion. I hope the tech can continue to shrink down and get closer to the feel of just wearing glasses.

[@exil3dlivecom]

Exactly this. 100%. I've been in the vr world for years. My 500$ quest 3 is enough and even that I get tired having on my face. I new most 1st time vr buyers were going to be blown away by vr but the honeymoon goes away after the 3rd days honestly. Then you really decide. And the VP being so heavy... I figured most people will not be keeping it.

[@CH_ATL]

get it on the first day -> make a few videos and $$$ -> return to Apple. Don't know what to say.

[@farzyness]

Restocking fees will likely cost more than any $ I make from content.

[@miami3863]

Exactly. And Apple doesn’t have a restocking fee for AVP.

[@farzyness]

@@miami3863 Good to know! Props on them.

[@CH_ATL]

Apple charges no restocking fee in US.@@farzyness

[@farzyness]

@@CH_ATL that's awesome. Good on Apple. Never had to return an Apple device before. Makes me like them even more

[@mrki731]

I hate people returning shit. You're wasting everyone's time and resources.

[@tt3kgtvr4]

My negatives list from using it for about 2 weeks: - The screen looks grainy - objects 20 feet away are blurry AF - the refresh rate is too low so when you move your head the windows jitter - you can’t look at your phone while it’s on (impossible to read text) - it’s heavy over time and hurts your face eyes and neck - I can’t have more than one laptop virtual monitor to work on at a time - windows can’t size bigger than about 50 inches - the personas are scary looking - the front screen showing your eyes just doesn’t show your eyes as advertised - the field of view makes it look like your peering through a tunnel - the edges of the tunnel are blurry AF - I feel like a bad father when I have it on around my kids - I make tons of unintentional clicks because it thinks I pintched my fingers when I didn’t. - the eye tracking is not good enough. Works 90% of the time but it needs to be 99%. - it’s $4000 you know not a huge list but 😜

[@dealerovski82]

well done, its obvious its a first edition product. we will have an awsome product in about 4-5 years when version 4 is out.

[@exil3dlivecom]

Nailed it dude. Think we are just not there yet. 10 more years hopefully VR is glasses size. Otherwise... it's a hard pass.

[@southwestkinema9149]

We at the "I'm returning it" & "I am keeping it" stage of the reviews. I just what a youtuber to start reviewing all the new vision pro apps that are being released daily.

[@sonicsnake44]

Their's people doing that on KZbin right now.

[@vefge]

Having the same issues with my vision pro - hard to see any text clearly at all with the passthrough and I have perfect eyesight.

[@steveoconnell3228]

I think it's tech looking for a use, I would think all these type of headsets end up in a cupboard after the initial couple of months, I love the idea of it but they have no real function that cannot be done using screens

[@sonicsnake44]

Except for the immersion factor, which is something you don't get with a flat-screen.

[@GhettofingerGaming]

I got a refund, the strap at the hinges started to rip at day 3, the quest 3 for me is the winner, and that bad apple is a Hardpass

[@KevinA.Fuller]

It also scratches *extremely* easily 😬

[@hexpulse2307]

I agree with you - poor low light and fade pressure no matter how many different things I tried with both straps and different size lite shields - uncomfortable- I am going to get 2 new iPhones, some home pods, the next coming iPad Pro, the over the ear headphones and maybe even a mac book air with the $4,500 I won’t use for Vision Pro- it wasn’t the money though - it was those 2 issues the most that indicated to me I won’t end up using it long term. Many other issues that software may fix soon. I like my XR glasses a lot and they are great for watching movies and shows on a huge high def screen in lighting or location. I agree it’s “something on my face and head” - too much barrier to even get started I just pick up my iPad and/or add my XReal glassss that are fairly comfortable- when they make AR/spatial computing completely comfortable and no hassle on and off with easy fit - like new Sony VR coming has even a flip up for thr screen and shield function - flip up flip down - even that as it wouldn’t rely on squashing the face at checks for me was the issue - for a fit -Apple could have done a far better headset ergo design AND a true custom light shield or even NO light shield (I liked it with it off but too heavy on nose then). Option for custom fit light shield at a minimum - I needed the option for less cheek pressure even after going from 23W to 21W - no shield with a lighter device would have been a good option to have… As far as price - I don’t care if it’s $10,000 if it’s comfy and easy to get on and off and like you said better OS and apps - it really is amazing to try out and I am grateful to Apple for the chance to have a trial - that was cool. Zero friction on return process - NO questions asked -

[@sonicsnake44]

I agree the Xreal glasses are great.

[@tomdunbar8579]

Sorry, he just doesn't get it. It's not designed to be put on and walk around your house and outside and wear it for hours and hours each day, so Apple got it exactly right! By having a little discomfort and not being able to see your surrounding perfectly it gives you a great reason to take the damn thing off and enjoy the real world. Otherwise, nobody will come out of that virtual one!

[@brandon_youtube]

This headset is basically a dev device. Killer apps on the way. "2nd" and "3rd" Gen will more likely be for consumers. Apple are smart. This model may help with producing a wider production device in a few years. Also, sounds like they need 3mn or smaller soc chips from TSMC

[@Ondar007]

They have to start somewhere 😁 But sure, not for me or majority of ppl out there.

[@pedrolockup1543]

Never buy the first generation of any new tech. I made the mistake of buying the first generation iPhone then the 3G iPhone came out the next year after which was a big deal for internet speed at the time…

[@changeagent228]

Needs transparent oled so it's not a digital overlay.

[@jrichardson6]

Best review I’ve seen so far im waiting for gen 4 By the way the killer app is porn .

[@JohnBrown-pw3bz]

5:44 as to comfort level. Try wearing a CPAP on your face.

[@tlz8884]

Surprised that it doesn't support just any Bluetooth keyboards outside of Apple

[@exil3dlivecom]

It's apple. That's what they do.

[@EricYouTube578]

You can use any Bluetooth keyboard. I’m using a Logitech one just fine.

[@robertthesing388]

It works with any Bluetooth keyboard

[@hexpulse2307]

That’s strange about your pass through - I had the +2.00 Zeiss readers in it - I could read everything- email- websites on my iPad - social media -just fine - I wonder if it’s the inserts ?

[@Lee-vb4vh]

Can you see outside environment clearly? I think he said pass thru is low resolution so it's not as clear as reality; so it's not comfortable when wearing more than 2 hours.

[@montehurd]

Thankfully they have headroom for trimming weight for the next version - the weird/useless outward facing screen, the metal that could be plastic, etc

[@deantruitt8628]

Will you be including your grocery list on the next exciting episode?

[@farzyness]

I'll include it here: Eggs Cottage Cheese Bananas Avocados Apples

[@deantruitt8628]

@@farzyness Haha, nice! When will TSLA 10X?

[@thefish5861]

@@deantruitt8628Maybe never.

[@JonathanRootD]

Much like FSD.

[@LJ-jq8og]

APPRECIATE🙏 Your honesty ❗ FARZAD💪❤

[@justintime41776]

I'm all about tech gadgets. I had the Rift and now I have Rift S. I have a 75" TV in my living room and love movies. I would like this thing just for movies alone.

[@hexpulse2307]

It’s not comfortable I tried many different ways and I could never forget about it - there are devices now for oled displays for that purpose - there is one called ? Big screen- or something for $1,000 offers custom fit under 200 grams and oled screen too - not a computer like VPro but for movies it seems amazing - or my XReal glasses are hard to beat for $300 to just lie back and watch a movie anywhere

[@khangvinh4656]

You’re better off with a screen for this. The device sound great on paper but its weight is pretty noticeable and also just put a lot of pressure on your eyes.

[@BreakneckTrent]

Vision Pro = Important for app development and concepts that can be utilized on Neuralink.. Form factor and tech are not there yet.

[@roddlez]

I think the issue is Generation 2 may be a year and a half to two years away. Update cycles for VR devices tend to be a lot longer than phones and PCs. We'll see, we'll see.

[@farzyness]

I'm willing to wait - I think Apple will have a killer product on its hands soon!

[@davidcook7847]

Probably at least 2 years if not 3. In the meantime, just enjoy

[@brandon_youtube]

2026 is being reported on macrumors.

[@johans7119]

This is classic apple. A luxury but always flawed product... If only the screen was on your head then the hardware could be so much lighter. The battery is already in your pocket... It should always work with a keyboard and mouse etc

[@rhodeislandhiker4745]

You must be joking this thing is so blurry when you move your head it runs at 30 MHz, to say the quest 3 makes u sick is funny. The number one Complaint is the blurriness hahaha terrible review especially from a apple fan boy there gonna take there apple card back hahahah

[@jeffrow316]

It seems to me that many of the tech reviewers on KZbin took advantage of Apple generous return policy they picked up an Apple Vision Pro played around with it for two weeks and then returned it for a refund and in the meantime, they got a free prop and get lots of views from apples Going to have to revisit their return policies, especially for tech bloggers.

[@maguidacadenas7340]

Yeah I want to keep it, but I already make my videos and this cost almost $4000.00 yeah let's return, that exactly what a lot of you are doing getting use the credit car do videos and return put back in the credit car and play cool showing the videos, sweet 😂

[@Killswitch1411]

You're doing totally different activities in Actual VR head sets. Apple didn't do anything. Its not for gaming. You don't do the same intense things like move yoyr body in the game while you stand still. VR is more intense than AVP where its made to have things still.

[@Stone815]

If you're not developing apps, i cant see a reason to keep a $4k dust collector. If Apple actually goes into this, you will know within a few years with a version created for consumers. Unless Apple decides that they arent going to pursue this any further. Then you dodged a bullet. Either way you made the best choice.

[@briann8911]

A.R. has incredible potential, but not like this. It needs to feel like regular eyeglasses. Apple should have known this.

[@nafnaf0]

Yeah it's not there now, but I don't think that means the product line is a total failure (this first gen might be). With later versions it will get smaller, lighter, fastener, more capable, and better. Yeah it needs to be super easy to just use to be more than just a niche product.

[@bradleyfrank7933]

There will be a need/place for VR too, which regular eyeglasses won't do.

[@Phoun]

The passthrough is unforgivable for a 3500 dollar device. Cameras have limitations, between the limited colors we see and horrible noise in low light it's b.s.

[@alanwetherall]

Sorry in my world, saying Frigging multiple times is just rude. Spoilt a good video. I'm sure your parents didn't bring you up like that

[@服部真斗-k2m]

Ming-Chi Kuo also researched return rates. According to the report, the return rate for the Apple Vision Pro is less than 1%. You don't stir the pot.

[@Nil-js4bf]

Has Apple ever released a product that went down in price in subsequent iterations? I think the vast majority of them go up in price so I'm probably going to wait for competitors to catch up before purchasing a similar product.

[@covertpuppytwo3857]

I'm on the opposite of that... I'm waiting for Apple to catchup to Meta and its use cases before I would be willing to pay that price. There are many different things you can do with the Quest 3 that you can't do on the Apple... and the Quest 3 is far more comfortable and lighter. Unlike Apple, the Quest has a large user base so there are so many different inexpensive 3rd party types of head-mounting solutions for it. There's not a single "Halo" style head strap for the Apple which takes ALL the pressure off your face and balances the weight between your forehead and back of your head... to me, that's the most comfortable. Apple being significantly heavier than the Quest... truly needs a Halo style strap!

[@ThePoushal]

Fellas, get a Rolex Oyster Perpetual instead of getting the AVP. Let it appreciate and resell later and use the profit to buy AVP 2.

[@realityvanguard2052]

He can't wear it for 8 hours at a time without it feeling itchy. He has to take it off to read the mail. I just saved you 12 boobless minutes.

[@pavelstebl9966]

Thanks for your honesty - it confirms my impressions from just watching the adverts. Vision Pro is the future but the 1st gen product is just not worth the price tag.

[@Andrew-hb2cs]

The killer app is a portable personal home theater. A $3500 Walkman for cinema is not expensive.

[@jake5993]

I will never buy one of these. I dont want a world where people are walking around with them on. It just seems like one more layer between me and others and hand held devices already do that enough

[@RealRusty]

Unless these are lenses in your eyes, it’s not for the wide audience 🤷‍♂️

[@wangmarcus1182]

Still lots of fansboy will buy it.. trust me unless than 1 year this will be expensives useless junk..

[@dealerovski82]

4:59 that's exactly what I argued during lock down and face diaper mandate.

[@TheDrpepper1985]

Can you use them for skiing instead? 😂😂

[@farzyness]

Last time I went skiing I almost got stranded.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@farzyness well, I suppose this might get you out being stranded with navigation or tips, but I feel you'd be more likely to end up impaled on a branch while using it. And piste rescue in the US is really expensive so definitely do it in France or Italy. :D

[@mrdummy_nl]

When you talked about Premiere Pro, i realized you're thinking too far. You know what it means? You just want more powerful headset, but that has also problems: - more heat need transferred away, need huge heatsink and fan = heavier - make it even more smaller and lighter with powerful cpu to run like Premiere Pro? Impossible, not in future tech. You're not thinking in real way. Headsets must not more heavier and hotter. Nobody want break their necks for it. Be happy the hottest part is moved to your iMac, and only display is transferred to your headset. I agreed the Apple is thinking too much about comfort site and forgot there are people who want work longer or play / watch longer than 3 hours. This headset cannot do it. It's tech masterpiece, that is true, but it doesn't fulfill everything and it's not made for gaming. Most headsets are made for gaming.

[@juergenvonhausberg]

I don't think the messy reproduction of the reality is just something that can be fixed with cameras. What might be missing is actually the depth focus. Oculus, before bought by Facebook, was experimenting with depth focus in combination with foveated rendering and both might be actually relevant technologies here. The real VR goggles, actually on the market are now gradually implementing foveated rendering, but no one has revisited the depth focus so far. They are by far clunkier than Apple Vision Pro - so no free lunch here...

[@russellmania5349]

I heard a lot of people got pist because Apple blocked VR porn.

[@CalmDownJack]

I LOVE this thing. It is NOT worth it because LOVE is NOT worth it.

[@rukiddingme7]

Killer apps are coming. You chickened out because you didn't want to miss the return policy.

[@jonevansauthor]

Name one. Seriously, we're all genuinely interested in what the killer app is, and I'm sure the developers who are trying to think of one are too.

[@rukiddingme7]

@@jonevansauthor killer app is individual and more apps are needed. apple TV is one. I love the immersive shows like the laddy on that rope. Monarch Tv series, etc.

[@iCozzh]

If youre a broke boy just say so

[@farzyness]

The quickest way to stay broke is by keeping things you're not going to use ;)

[@BuckMcAntlerson]

​@@farzyness👀

[@frosandrockets]

​@farzyness You may have only had 15 calendar days to return it.

[@iCozzh]

@@farzyness yeep

[@elmaikitofficial]

I would to my friend

[@timo57581]

Thanks for your honest opinion. You confirmed exactly my potential concerns for not buying this toy and some more things i had not thought of yet 🤓 thumb up from me

[@tb3901]

Thank you! Very helpful. Don't have a set myself, but having worn headphones for hours for meetings and such, your comments resonate. I look forward to a set of glasses that allow essentially as many monitors as I want for opening whatever - doesn't even have to have AR. Maybe these goggles would be good for watching movie and Imax content. I could see an app for integrating a home entertainment system.

[@farzyness]

This is where we're going! Thanks for watching!

[@jonevansauthor]

Yes, I'd rather have a headset that has a giant 8K screen, that's cheaper than an 8K monitor, and comfortable to wear for the duration of a film or an evening, and yet doesn't have unnecessary fluff and also have some AR sunglasses that help me around the world in various ways. For either to work though, you need killer apps and no-one has one yet, just lots of tiny things that are kind of nice but not convincing enough.

[@highlanderapparel]

Hours, really brother hours.😂

[@MrJustwatchin9]

In all honesty it needs to be a pair of bulky sunglasses that can fit on your ears to be able to wear for several hours. The processing should come from an iPhone Pro model or some type of other specialty device that can connect to an iPhone. A big headset for $3500 and 1st gen is trash. I knew it wasn’t for me the first time I laid eyes on it. But I am interested in special computing so at some point I’d be interested in getting a meta quest head set but for $500 I can put up with the limited wearable use and its limitations without feeling like I wasted my hard earned cash

[@DirectorDanielMason]

I’ll buy it for 5 bucks:)

[@rukiddingme7]

Disagree with one of your negative. The pass through is great. It is not perfect. The lighting or brightness is not great. I am not sure if Apple decided to use the tone or warmth to auto adjust the sharpness of brightness of reality or not. I wish Apple let us decide that. It was obvious to me that the pass through was camera projection. It is great for me. It is just the lighting that is off. Poor lighting does make it look grainy.

[@farzyness]

I think not being able to read text in reality and/or use your phone properly is a huge miss.

[@lizhao69]

@@farzyness can other competitors do so? I don’t think so. Apple is the best from this aspect!

[@farzyness]

@@lizhao69 May be true - but still not good enough. I'm confident they'll get there soon enough.

[@rukiddingme7]

@@farzyness there is an app Bezel allows you to mirror into the vision pro.

[@bradleyfrank7933]

@@farzyness honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you can't mirror an ipad/iphone/watch into vision OS like you can Mac OS at some point. Kinda surprised it doesn't do this already.

[@jeffnp]

i like your T shirt GFY

[@dropshot1967]

No, not for me. Too expensive like most of their products. I do not like the apple user interface. I have to help my mother with her Iphone and iPad mini, and for me, nothing in the UI is instinctual. Lastly, I will not get caught up in Apples anti consumer practices with regards to actively countering consumer self repair and limiting the functionality of items if consumers are not all in by fully living in the Apple ecosystem.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

I like that term digital layer. Could you imagine if someone created an app called ‘’Toon Life’’ where it transforms the real world the cameras see and puts a digital layer of cartoon graphics in it’s place. Like you said, the digital layer is so sharp and crisp. Why not take advantage of that.. who framed Roger rabbit but in real life…lol 😉👌

[@sonicsnake44]

That sounds like an interesting idea.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

@sonicsnake44 I think it would be cool to see what it is like being in a cartoon. You could make your own cartoon show. You being the Star in it. 😉👌

[@sonicsnake44]

@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe It's funny you mention that because I am learning how to do animation in VR and AR so this concept is right up my alley. One ideal I've had for few years is the concept of augmented reality playsets. So let's say for example you bought a Teenage Muntent Ninja Turtles toy and scanned or typed in a QR code into a VR or AR glasses app and were able to a load up a virtual playsets from the show which would include the Turtles home, a rooftop, pizza shop,etc. Now here's were things get interesting. Imagine their were story missions that you could play with some being included by default and new ones being tied to new toy releases or DLC. I could go on and on with this but I think get the basic ideal.

[@WOojerVest3andQuest3onMe]

@sonicsnake44 Yeah, that sounds cool. Gives the Toys meaning. And reason to play with em more. AR/ MR as so much potential. Can you imagine hasbro making a Mixed Reality Monopoly plus, or better yet, all of there board games in mixed reality. Just DLC and you have a New Game to play with Family and Friends. Without the Mess to clean up. Plus. The games could have animation. Just like the video game consoles version but in your living room... It would be so cool to play this way.

[@adrianfox7972]

When first heard they were having a wire down to a battery, I got my hopes up that they were going to make it light weight as the quest has the battery in the front weighing it down a little. The quest is great but all standalone headsets have too much hardware weighing down your face. If only the headset part was purely the screen and everything else was done on the waist part. If it was just a device that plugged into your phone that was purely good at doing the visuals and headtracking. Even putting some hardware on the back on your head to even the weight would help.

[@davevilla1061]

with no 3d porn like the samsung gear vr is a no sale for me

[@rhemy1]

I agree with you that the pass through needs to be better-especially since it is supposed to be a special computer. There shouldn’t be that much difference between how you perceive the real world verses how you perceive the digital screens.

[@kirkv40]

Gen 4 would be the the perfect of glasses to buy, for someone who already wears glasses It would provide you with perfect clarity of reality. No more eye prescriptions needed.

[@20thcenturyboy85]

Great video and solid points. I tend to refer to print or physical papers quite often when I work. Thus this headset will not be practical for my productivity. I will not bother with one at this point in time.

[@HolzmannMedia]

I want compare the Apple Vision Pro to my Meta Quest Pro. But they didn’t ship to Europe 😢

[@antoinepageau8336]

Would Steve Jobs have released Vision Pro in this state... not sure. Same thing watch Apple watch gen 1 and 2.

[@jdreif]

A lot of words to say you could’t afford it and just bought it to do a review on you tube.

[@bigjack79]

Good review. You should look into a home theather setup for a good immersive experience

[@benjiebarker]

i will get it once they can replacevmy glasses...now that would be perfect

[@HeyHeyHeyHeyHey]

Great video! Much better than your AI generated ones!

[@prettyswinga1837]

Beyond the shadow of a doubt, the most unbelievable piece of technology ever made in history. Anybody suggested this not worth it probably said the same thing about the iPhone…game changer

[@covertpuppytwo3857]

NOPE!

[@sebmonti5904]

Now I m waiting for max tech to return his one

[@Poxenium]

I prefer Farzad talking instead of A.I. I report all A.I. generated videos and ads.

[@tripnils7535]

Quickest way to land on a report ignore list

[@Poxenium]

@@tripnils7535 actually, they removed like half of the ads i reported ... videos not so much

[@BuckMcAntlerson]

AI Police reporting for duty

[@highlanderapparel]

All of the eye laser surgery. I went through so I don't have to wear glasses. Oh my God.😢😅 The Highlander

[@dealerovski82]

its called the model 3 refresh.

[@bufli]

I don't think the camera quality is the issue. its processing all that data using essentially a mobile phone.

[@bdlii]

Good news for the people with ear buds sticking out of their ears. People wearing these headsets in public will make them seem normal.

[@nicolasterzani9017]

Yep not worthy yet

[@WeSleuth-gi4es]

Gonna return mines too. It’s too heavy. Hurts the neck. I need it for 4 hours a day minimum. I like it for reading and researching. I even bought a neck support but it’s steal a nuisance to wear. Eventually after months of use for extended periods it may even cause neck injuries, Not a joke. In Biden voice. 😅

[@greenfalcon299]

Neuralink will make all vr headsets obsolete

[@bradleyfrank7933]

Not until they come up with a non invasive brain control interface. Implanting chips will be a non starter for a great many people.

[@r6alex]

The Shirt!!!😍🤣

[@cristianabch]

mmmm... i´ll wait for neuralink

[@bradleyfrank7933]

I'll wait for non invasive brain control interfaces. Implanting a chip is a nonstarter.

[@MrGMawson2438]

The Great Jesus Swindle Pat Condell

[@olegprytula2881]

Well done

[@bujin5455]

It would be nice if they could have done better with the passthrough, but that is an unbelievably difficult problem to grapple with. We probably will not see rapid improvement with this particular feature. Unless someone figures out how to put super lightweight 35mm sensors on the device and related optical stack. They simply can't gather enough light for the amount of area they are sampling, and sensor technology is not improving very fast at all. Like you have to go through several generations of sensors just to see a 50% improvement in light sensitivity. I think this device is probably going to be on a 3 - 5 year update cycle, so it's going to take a minute to get to gen 4. However, with that said, the sensors are not on a 3 year cycle, so passthrough might be meaningfully improved by gen two or three.

[@jonevansauthor]

I don't get it... camera tech is amazing and is better every single year, if not twice a year, in every single flagship. So... what's the sensor problem? We've even had lidar in phones. Not that I think it matters since the killer app is the one and only thing that makes any VR or AR glasses/headset a widely viable product and three of those would be better.

[@rukiddingme7]

I think the passthrough is a compromise due to battery. I wish Apple allow us to choose brightness like on the iPhone. I can max brightness on the phone and have 4 hours battery life. On Vision, it may reduce it to 45 minutes.

[@bujin5455]

@@jonevansauthor like what camera tech are you talking about? If you think camera tech is better than what you see in the AVP, it's because you don't understand the difference in applications in which you're seeing that tech. First, the AVP is using smart phone sized sensors. These sensors are absolute garbage in low light. Now when you take still images on an iPhone, Apple does a lot of trickery, to get around that, which you can do with AI and increasing exposure time. In video this get's much more difficult. If you take a photo at dusk and a video at dusk, you'll see the stark difference in the number of artifacts in the image. Now bare in mind, that video has a lot of processing done to it, and it's being shot at a comparatively low frame rate (24 - 30 fps), meaning there is more time to gather light for each frame (as compared to the AVP, but not as compared to a still). It's worth considering that 24fps is 41ms per frame, and 30fps is 33ms per frame. The threshold where people start feeling sick is about 13ms, that means you need to be shooting at 77fps or higher, which is only going to give you less than half as much light as 30fps. The AVP is trying really heard to minimize latency, which in part means high shutter speeds, and less light, which means more noise. Try taking slow motion video at dusk (60 - 120fps), and see what your video looks like from your iPhone, specially when you blow it up on a full sized screen (like how you'd see it in a headset). This light issue is part of the reason Apple only provided 6MP cameras on the AVP, even though the displays are ~12MP. Of course, this difference in resolution, is why things never look sharp, even when there is a lot of light. A 6MP image on a 12MP display is simply never going to look sharp. But the reason they went with 6MP is because the more MP you shove into a given sized space, the less light each pixel will receive, as you are only slicing the pie in ever smaller chunks to get more slices of pie, but that doesn't increase the amount of pie (light) you have. That means if you double the MP, you half the amount of light per pixel (assuming the same sized sensor), which means low light performance is half as good. So Apple could have put a higher resolution sensor in there, for sure, but the low light performance would be even worse. Worse low light performance doesn't just mean the image is just that much worse when you're in a dark room, it means you start feeling that effect in brighter environments than you otherwise would have. Ok, now that we've discussed some of the basics of this topic, consider the fact professional photographers and videographers use 35mm sensors, which are 36mm x 24mm (864sq/mm), whereas your iPhone sensor is only 5.76mm by 4.29mm (24.7104/mm). That means that 35mm sensor is taking in 36x as much light! Let me say that again, **THIRTY-SIX TIMES** as much light as your iPhone! Even so, photographers and videographers use large and bulky lighting rigs to get enough light on their subjects, so that they don't get motion blur and/or ISO artifacts. And again, they aren't working with low latency 77fps+ video feeds. If you're not impressed with the AVP's video, it's because you don't really understand how hard the problem is. And like I said before, sensor technology is not improving all that fast. Yes, there are new sensors all the time that make incremental improvements here and there, but it takes something like six full generations of sensor tech to double the light performance, and a full generation takes more than a year to complete. Like you can take DSL-Rs that are nearly 10 years apart, and the sensor MIGHT have double the low light performance. Mostly what you see is people jacking up the ISO, and getting more and more creative about their noise filters. But noise filtering can only do so much, if the light didn't tell the sensor what was there, then you're not going to see the object.

[@bujin5455]

@@rukiddingme7 it's not. I just explained this in detail in the comment above this one.

[@rukiddingme7]

@@bujin5455 Read your explanation. What are the specs for the vision pro cameras? Do you know?

[@MathGPT]

Come on admit it…the porn isn’t quite there yet..next gen they’ll figure it out!

[@Da-King-of-Swing]

Not a China Apple guy never will be jokers

[@bufli]

if you wernt such an apple fanboi, you could've come to this conclusion years ago =p

[@farzyness]

Haha - I still think there's a TON of promise. Don't sleep on it!

[@bufli]

@@farzyness I agree, I was really hoping apple would pull it off given how many years it's been since VR hit market :(

[@jonevansauthor]

@@bufli Apple will get it better and you'll know when because someone else will have made the tech great first. :)

[@lou7139]

I Apple Vision Pro is going in the wrong direction. I think they should have gone the direction of XReal/Magic Leap AR glasses not Meta/Oculus bulky headset. Hopefully they course correct before its too late. The Chinese AR Glasses OEMs could overtake the AR glasses/headset market and leave Apple in the dust in this area.

[@farzyness]

I think both technologies will converge somewhere in between. Apple's biggest advantage, by far, is its ecosystem. Once they can start flexing it, they'll be insanely successful.

[@bradleyfrank7933]

VR will be something headsets can do, that AR glasses can't. And having a fully immersive VR experience still has value and benefit.

[@dewberry3043]

Once they shrink it to glasses size then I might save money for one.

[@andersbrathen]

This is obviously AI, a well dressed Optimus talking.

[@farzyness]

Damn how did you know.

[@bobwheeler8101]

Good feedback. I’m RARELY a first adopter for exactly these kinds of reasons, but am also confident Apple will move it forward to unparalleled in future generations.

[@nafnaf0]

The first iPhone didn't work that well, but they kept improving it year over year, to where by iPhone 5 it was pretty great.

[@nathanonearth]

The more i use it the more i love it... definitely not returning mine

[@Psycho-Nomics]

Very useful review. Thanks.

[@jonevansauthor]

Predictable. I hope you can make it all back with one video and more! But hey, maybe you could make an app that's relevant to Tesla or something? Combine with Two Bit Da Vinci or something and make an app that helps with solar installs or identifies weak points around the home that could be targets for upgrades to go net zero?

[@dreiak]

I dont find the headset bold or daring. I also still fundimentally disagree that it is the future. It is the future the same way the laser disk was the future. I think what VR Goggles aim to solve will fundimentally be short of what the expectation is in perpetuity, and it will not be until there is something that is basically imperceptible that does the same thing but better that will actually be the disruptive tech. We can argue if that is something like Neuralink which is extremely intrusive because it requires surgery, or if it will be more like a heads up display on something the size of a contact lens, or some kind of holographic projector. So long as VR is constrained to a headset though, it will not matter HOW much the tech improves, it will always be fundamentally limiting, and in my option Niche, and I learned this when I got a gen 1 oculus, because the apple vision pro aimed to solve everything that made the oculus 1 an imperfect VR headset, but I realized back then that fixing every single short coming didn't actually address the real issues I had with VR headsets at a fundimental level. I still think you are pie in the sky thinking that iterative improvements on the headset will somehow transform apple. Apple is a mature company with no real innovation left in it. They will farm apple customers with fasion accessories and marketing, and app purchases, and sure be profitable, but apple isn't going to 10x their revenue anytime soon. Every apple product also overlaps with every other apple product. Compare this to Tesla, where tesla cars overlap, but FSD, DOJO, and Megapack do not. Compare to SpaceX where starlink and starship have no overlap. It bugs me to no end when people call apple the most innovative company when there is nothing in their vision pro that I thought was impossible in 2008, all it required was time money and iteration, but every foundational technology already existed. To me innovation is when a company works on things that wouldn't exist at all without that company working on it. Nobody has a scaleable self driving car solution yet. Nobody has an interstellar spaceship yet. Nobody has a solution for renewable energy commercial shipping yet. Nobody has solved garbage and recycling yet. Nobody has solved economical sustainable fresh water yet. Why is apple only ever going after problems that can obviously be solved, and do not require a fundimental breaktrhough to solve? Because they are too large, have too many cowardly managers, and aren't willing to make the stock more volatile to 10x the company, and it is only a matter of time before someone steals apples lunch by disrupting what they do best, which is design a product apple fans like because of the asthetic and design. This is why apple is a fashion statement more than a tech company. Until apple starts working on ifusion, I will not be labelling them as a leader in innovation. Apple cant even build their own factories.

[@tonydeveyra4611]

I believe it was Gali from Hyperchange who made this rule that I now apply to all new inventions. New technology that enhances your ability to get out into and interact with the real world is cool. New technology that puts you into more insular spaces and makes you further interface with an artificial, digital world, is whack. By that metric, Teslas are intensely cool and VisionPro is superwhack.

[@ptviwatcher]

Main non-disclosed con: 3D *corn was taking too much of his day (or his wife's). Anyway, a home wrecker 😂