‘I see some RED FLAGS!’ Is Giovanni Reyna’s loan to Nottingham Forest a good move? | ESPN FC

ESPN FC’s Sebastian Salazar and Herculez Gomez discuss Giovanni Reyna’s loan to Nottingham Forest from Borussia Dortmund.
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[@frasers4272]

Seb showing lack of knowledge on my club Nottingham Forest. CHO is not playing well so I expect Gio to get plenty of minutes, and way more than he is currently getting. He will probably start on the right wing with Elanga on the left and MGW in the 10 but allows all 3 of them to interchange spots in the game when we attack, and the prospect of those 3 feeding Awoniyi up front is exciting to us Forest fans. We all wanted an option to buy, but Dortmund did not offer that to any of the teams interested. I'm with Herc, this is a great opportunity for Gio to showcase himself, rather than rotting away on the sidelines at Dortmund, and potentially great move by Forest too.

[@user-yf4ys2np9u]

How is Seb’s knowledge now? He was right and probably you don’t know your club as much as you think you do.

[@markc1628]

We can be honest; Forrest is a better situation for Gio than BVB right now. but it is definitely not best case scenario. He has to kill it there and hopefully he can get another move in the summer, or Terezic moves on from BVB

[@barcelona909]

For him to kill it, he have to stay healthy as well. EPL is not ideal to Reyna due to the league being physical and high pace.

[@jackied962]

Move has been a disaster, at least at Dortmund you could saY he's not starting for a good club, now he's now playing for a bad one.

[@SoccerSavantUSA]

I don't think Seb has this right. Forest are interested. I'm sure Forest tried to get a buy option, but BVB wouldn't give it to them. It's not like it would be bad for Forest to have the option -- you always try to get a buy option in a loan if you're bringing in the player -- but they didn't manage to get it. BVB must have stood firm with no buy option. Forest wanted Reyna badly enough they went along with the loan with no buy option.

[@frankkastler]

It’s clear that Dortmund was the reason there is no buy option, we can confidently say that because Dortmund forced Gio to sign a 1 year extension before approving the loan.

[@SoccerSavantUSA]

@@frankkastler exactly

[@SoccerSavantUSA]

I think it's fine to grade the move as a "B." So many people are bent out of shape one way or the other. It's not ideal in that there's someone already locked in at the 10 (Gibbs-White), and it's a relegation battle situation at the club. Those are drawbacks for sure. But it is clearly better than staying at BVB, where he was not trusted, he will play on the biggest stage in club soccer (other than champions league), and he will be given a chance immediately to make a difference. I'm cautiously optimistic.

[@calc1657]

Sub and Herc made great points. This move was a super agent flex, which reflected the reality that there wasn't much demand for Gio. The positive for Gio was he will get to measure himself in a totally new environment. If he had had difficult relationships with his teammates and coaches at Dortmund, all of that will become irrelevant at Forest.

[@mattd5236]

He needs to show what he can do, it’s been a long time since he has! There was no option to buy because the clubs couldn’t agree, not because he wasn’t wanted FFS. Plus January is a shite window to do business in and clubs are feeling the squeeze of FFP and PSR. They’ll all wait till the summer to make big moves, loans at this time of year are the most obvious transfer opportunity for a club in need of new talent and for players not getting game time. Reyna needs to grasp the opportunity showcase who he is and what he can do for a team in the toughest league in the world. If he does, the winners will be Forest who’ll get points they need, BVD who can get a bigger fee and GR who’ll be attracting clubs from around Europe.

[@SmilesPerGallon-]

The answer to “then why’d they bring him in then?” Is that it’s a low risk move that adds squad depth.

[@frankkastler]

Seb kept talking about no one willing to do an option to buy, the reports were that it was Dortmund that wanted the dry loan which makes sense given they made Gio extend his contract for 1 year before agreeing to the loan. Dortmund wanted Gio to go out on loan & excel so they can sell him for more money.

[@derred723]

In his spare time Seb passes time by going into internet chatrooms and lobbing grenades.

[@dannytallmage2971]

She’s a genuinely good debater he just has to muzzle himself so Herc doesn’t act like a baby.

[@OldBrenda]

Ironically, Dortmund should be the perfect place for Gio.

[@ricks6218]

I guess they need something to argue about. Let's see how much Gio plays and whether he can salvage his career.

[@davidvandruff9368]

Seb, sadly I think there is a decent chance you're correct. Yesterday watching Gio be interviewed by Forrest, he just looked very non-excited. Hopefully that's just Gio being his low key self but it definitely gave me a weird feeling. Here, I'd love to believe what you're thinking and saying. Just not sure it's the case. Fingers crossed you're right and See is wrong. Great show guys!

[@jonandtice]

I love when these two argue like this. I typically hate this kind of back and forth on news shows but there something about the way these two do it and I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it reminds me of when my brother and I argue about the stupidest things just of the sake of it.

[@chrissamonas]

This has nothing to do with NF relegation battle this has everything to do with getting Gio enough playing time where he can show his impact and draw attention and eyes to himself to get shopped around to a bigger better deal this summer. This is a 4 month advertisement, he's window shopping himself out. If all goes well this will be a well spent 4 months for him.

[@Seytom]

Nottingham thinks he can help them now, but that doesn't mean they plan to start him.

[@user-yf4ys2np9u]

If he doesn’t play in Forest how is that a win? The reason he is going to forest is to get minutes so going back to Dortmund with getting minutes in the EPL is terrible because he couldn’t crack it and is going back to a team were he is not trusted by the coach. How can Dortmund try to seek him in the summer after that? Herc is full of 💩

[@JharredT]

Seb needs a vacation... the man is way too hype over the most trivial conversations

[@MishaLan23]

I don’t like the style fit but he’s def gonna play. Especially after selling their best CM. MGW can play there and Gio ahead of him or he can play on either wing or even as a CM himself. You’re acting like he’s competing with prime hazard. CHO is out of form and low on confidence, Elanga is coming back from injury and not fully fit and Gio is better than both of them anyway.

[@broccolibeater]

seb is in the right

[@TheLaughingMustache-oh5ff]

Do you know why Dortmund didn't put a buy option on there (which Forest wanted), its because they know his value is worth more than 15-20m. They will sell him in the summer for more than that. Reyna is a 10, so he's limited to teams that USE a 10 and have money to spend and a roster spot. There's not a lot of teams that even play with 10s. So his value will be higher in the summer when teams can actually spend money and have roster availability.

[@environm3ntalist549]

😂 on what planet is Gio worth anymore than 20 mill? He’s not worth 10.

[@victricius6788]

Take a deep breath boys, he will get game time CHO is struggling for form COYR.

[@robertnettleship5467]

Jeez chill out guys

[@jskal21]

Worst case scenario is he gets injured.

[@jackied962]

It's a terrible move. At least when you're not playing for a good club, other clubs think "well he just has good players in front of him". When you're not playing for a bad club like Forest then people start to wonder, if maybe you're just not that good.

[@user-nv9ig6po1d]

I agree with seb. There is no interest in him.

[@SoccerSavantUSA]

Disagree here. I'm sure Forest tried to get a buy option, but BVB wouldn't give it to them. It's not like it would be bad for Forest to have the option -- you always try to get a buy option in a loan if you're bringing in the player -- but they didn't manage to get it. BVB must have said no. Forest wanted Reyna badly enough they went along with the loan with no buy option.

[@user-nv9ig6po1d]

@@SoccerSavantUSA for some reason I feel like Gregg Berhaulter ruined Gio's appeal (over the World Cup issue)

[@stevenhunt6569]

Seb was right. Herc is clueless.

[@j.c.n9718]

NOOOOOOOOO.

[@adamgt4037]

Seb is talking rubbish, Gio is being brought in to save them from Relegation, Forest fans all say he's going to play and most likely start

[@FifaForumOnline]

It’s so funny seeing these Americans yelling at each over Giovanni Reyna like he’s the second coming of Pele, guy on the right is delusional too.

[@TheLaughingMustache-oh5ff]

We don't blame you being jealous of us. Just don't hurt yourself while you are throwing your playstation controller.

[@environm3ntalist549]

@@TheLaughingMustache-oh5fflol jealous of what exactly?

[@dannytallmage2971]

@@environm3ntalist549who knows you Africans can get jealous over a shiny piece of metal.

[@duran9664]

He might be get relegated with Nottingham 😒

[@damonwicketts1638]

Gio has an attitude problem and it’s obvious only a desperate team is interested in him.

[@R3FU3D]

You'd have to look at it from nuno's point of view. His team is battling relegation. He's looking at this team thinking nobody on this team is a lock for the position.

[@duran9664]

Reyna = Sancho Both looks overrated arrogant 😒

[@duran9664]

This would be tough for him 😒

[@user-oy9iv1tp1m]

A loan is perfect.

[@Rvbeus]

Lol its so clear that Herc is right here. Its hurting my brain

[@tuffneggah]

that sevilla jacket is sick. also, gio gonna flop