I Solved FNAF's Biggest Mystery (Survival Logbook)

[@HyperDroid]

SUBSCRIBE! But wait... that's not all! Check out PART TWO of this theory right NOW: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH3IeWRna9t3e5I EDIT: This is a Game Theory, FuhNaff, ID's Fantasy, and RyeToast APPROVED THEORY LET'S GOOOO! :))) also okay y'all I agree, I deserve to be bullied for that pronunciation of alias... it was late in the night when I recorded this okay LEAVE ME ALONE Also even though it's not a big point in this video or anything, yes I realized after this that Charlie's death happens at Fredbear's so the "everything went wrong" is likely that, however I still theorise the bite happened there since it's a parallel timeline so the bite MAY still carry over anyways, as I think the "timeline splitting moment" was Henry deciding to recreate Charlie as a robot, which he doesn't do in the games - that being what turns it into a new timeline. Just my 2 cents on that though and sorry for the mistake! :P --- it's only been a single hour but thank you all for the kind comments, I really appreciate it and will get around to replying in the morning! But also massive thank you to everyone who DISAGREES actually being nice and constructive about it instead of just being rude haha - that was the one thing I was worried about so :') Hope you all enjoy and I'll see you soon! :D

[@SpectreBagels]

Personally, based on what you've laid out, I think you solved it. Cause your solution addresses people's issues with the 4th letter and how the name is meant to be spelled, using not so much speculation and moreso evidence from the book itself. Also the mirror that should have been more important, yet kept getting glossed over a lot, has relevance and more meaning now. It always kinda felt to me like we were supposed to get a name reveal from it but from what I saw, no one really addressed it or had a satisfying answer So personally, long story short, yea. I think you did a great job with some pretty solid evidence. I hope this gets around more so others can discuss to see where this goes as a Fandom Sorry this was long winded

[@emrekt22]

Bro cooked

[@BadAtGtag-li6rj]

I HAVE A THEORY WITH BARELY ANY SUPPORT, PHONE GUY IS CHICA CHILD FROM THE BITE OF 83 CHICA CHILD CALLS HIS FRIEND TO HELP WITH THE NIGHTS AT HIS JOB TO GET OVER HIS TRAMA AND CHICA CHILD MOST LIKELY DIES FROM A BITE, I SERIOUSLY CAME UP WITH THIS OUT OF NO WHERE

[@santinoramirez1722]

i got a theory the 7 times 5 and then add the one four could be how many children have been killed altogether

[@evanwweiler]

I like your solution better. This solution feels like a bit of a stretch tbh (relative to the "simpler" puzzle solutions throughout the rest of the book), what with 5 representing 5 children and 4 representing 4 letters, it's not exactly an intuitive connection. The same can be said about 7 and 1. I honestly can't see Scott putting that in the book with the intention of us putting that together. Regardless of whether or not your solution for the tallies is exactly correct, it's hard for me to believe that the tallies are anything other than counting up to a total. Firstly, they are tally marks, that's literally all they do, they tally. Secondly, tallies of 5 are ALWAYS grouped together, never independent from each other. It just makes intuitive sense that the tally of 4 indicates the end of the sequence of tallies. Anyways, that's my two cents. Great vid!

[@paladin8052]

Evad = Dave Happiest Day minigame = Bite of 83 scene flipped

[@WinC119]

That is flipping crazy.

[@BeccaMillls]

Catch you on the FLIPside

[@glitchy_gamer2]

my last day would probably be my best day because of this fnaf lore

[@dumflame]

@@BeccaMilllsdsaf?

[@zukeenytv]

I love you for this

[@hatster401]

david and michael, both biblical names, sounds like something scott would do

[@homicidalteddybear]

And Elizabeth

[@lourdespachla6516]

he IS christian after all.

[@legomarioboy08]

@@homicidalteddybear And (while not Aftons) Gabriel and Andrew.

[@Wang23]

what if dave was crazy? he would then be Crazy Dave?

[@daltonbell5907]

@@hatster401 yup. 100% agree.

[@samuelviden7412]

This makes so much sense. Dave/David also mirrors Mike/Michael so well from a parent’s naming logic.

[@abledadood2842]

LMAO REAL

[@gabriellockwood2780]

Dave was the name William used in Silver Eyes when he was guarding the construction site of the mall around Freddy’s…

[@samuelviden7412]

@@gabriellockwood2780 Indeed!

[@suitov]

Young kids often use abbreviations for their names, and David never grew up, so he became stuck as Dave. Poor kid.

[@ThisIsAHandle-xz5yo]

And Elizabeth/Beth

[@SuperWiiBros08]

It kinda fits, "Michael, David and Elizabeth" it sounds perfect together

[@felipemavarez4873]

The tally marks mean the number of letters each name has cassidy has 7 letters and david has 5

[@felipemavarez4873]

"7 sets of the 5 tallies"

[@felipemavarez4873]

16:23

[@Joanneyxx]

@@felipemavarez4873wait idk how these replies have anything to do with the comment but that makes sense

[@alphadelta3073]

@@felipemavarez4873or since the last set of tallies unaccounted for is only 4 tallies, and Dave has 4 letters

[@sparasyte]

I love how he went on a whole like 1 minute segment about EVAD when I looked at it and just said "oh, dave. nice"

[@exarquazowexa7247]

Literally. But i think that pointing out the mirror part is important because it wouldn't make sense otherwise that scott would give a reversed answer for this alone.

[@Amy-si8gq]

me too

[@cthuloso]

Allow me to go fully weird with it for a sec: William - "Strong-willed", literally a man whose will to live is so strong he's immortal. Michael - "God is unparalleled/ *who resembles God?* (Retorical question)", a man who looks *'just like his father'* . David - "Beloved", the son William watched the closest, who he promised to put back together. Whose death was the impetus to his descent into madness. Elizabeth - "My God is an oath.", the daughter who broke an oath to her father and died for it, and attempts to reclaim her loyalty even in the afterlife.

[@WillBinge]

Oh that works so well and it’s a very Scott thing to do

[@Aikumis-h9e]

yeaaaah, i believe this theory MUST BE mentioned since all Scott's old games are done with religious teachings and direct religious references.

[@enmadaniaisabel1552]

THATS SOUNDS LIKE ITS ALL LIKE A FAMILY NAME THING I THINK MAYBE THE MOTHER HAVE ALSO A NAME SIMILAR TO THAT IN MY FAMILU FOR EXAMPLE THEY DO SOMETHING A BIT EASIER TO SPOT MY FATHERS FAMILY ALL HAVE NAMES THAT START WITH E (IM ENMA AND MY BROTHERS ERNEST AND EMIR) MY MOTHERS FAMILY MOST HAVE NAMES ENDING WITH "EL" (ANGEL NAMES) LIKE RAFAEL, ISRAEL, URIEL AND MY THIRD NAME ISABEL AND MY SISTERS AND ME HAVE "ANIA" NAMES, IM DANIA, AND MY SISTERS ARE TANIA AND VANYA SO I THINK FOR WILLIAM FAMILY THE NAMES MEANINGS MAY BE SOMETHING BIBLICAL AND WITH A MEANING ON THE ACTUAL STORY ALSO I LIKE THAT ELIZABETH AND ISABEL HAVE THE SAME MEANING :3 (IM ALMOST NAMED LIKE BABY)

[@komori.V]

omg theyre all bible names

[@EmotianalBrat]

Omg this is so good! Yes this has got to be it

[@IkerUnzu]

This makes so much sense! I love how it’d be reversed because of the mirror!

[@TopatTom]

I would never think of that

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Ok

[@joelchambers3728]

That mirror bugged me real bad... I never got my hands on a copy of the logbook though, so I couldn't see its context. This seems pretty solid to me

[@theocdgamer7559]

I kid you not I thought of that but I thought it was so obvious I didn't mention it though I'm almost certain I wouldn't have though of how to get the evad

[@Im_Mazino]

​@@theocdgamer7559 same, i thought they already thought about it

[@earthy205]

All we need is Scott to comment on a single video with, "you're right"

[@HyperDroid]

he will never do this unfortunately though, even if someone solved the entire story and timeline 1:1

[@IronGamer0X]

@@HyperDroid true

[@BRAZILIAN_MIKU]

​@@HyperDroidI still think we will get a post mortem book of the entire timeline with all the characters names, deaths, year of birth and death, etc.

[@Theia_sb]

@@HyperDroidsorry if this video was already made or if this is a bad request, but I do really need a video explaining all the lore so I can catch up (I took a break in 2020 I think then came back in 2022 I’m never doing that again) so I really need a video with lore that was confirmed (theories can be added) but yeah I just need to get back to understanding things😭

[@the94thtoast]

@@Theia_sb GIBI TIMEINE

[@Scr4mbledM3ggs]

Both dual process theory and this one has been making me go “Maybe the entire community should take a step back, forget everything we think we know, and solve everything again from the ground up one game at a time and see what we come up with

[@TMS-Oddbot]

No, at this point Steel Wool is probably building off of incorrect theories, and their first game actually suggested everything before is potentially retconned anyway.

[@Scr4mbledM3ggs]

@@TMS-Oddbot This could be very true. Which is why it wouldn’t hurt to do this either way.

[@cosmic_cookie5669]

​@@TMS-Oddbot saying Steel Wool is "building off of incorrect theories" is a little weird, though. I thought people had said that Scott oversaw the project? I think it's better to think of it as a sort of "reboot" of the story that Scott and SW are using to take the games in a different direction. The story of the Aftons is done with UCN, William is stuck in purgatory and the spirits (most of them anyway depending on how you take the ending or whatever with Cassidy/vengeful spirit) are free. That's closed. The mostly supernatural/fantasy aspect of it with spirits haunting machines seems to be mostly over, and now they're being taken on a more modern path with AI and everything else. It looks like the same universe, but a different continuity. That's how I take it anyway.

[@BrokeBech]

I've been saying this for years.

[@Eques_Umbra]

Sire Squawks does something similar to that degree, going back, and discussing details from previous games, and their possible connections to later titles, such as the cases for and against Molten MCI, who possessed the Logbook, etc.

[@Bananakin501]

Makes sense. Neither Evan nor Garret are British names. Dave on the other hand- Yeah, I hear it everywhere. Every other guy is named Dave here. Why would William name his kid anything other than a British name?

[@NJH01]

Yeah that’s what makes the most logical sense to me even though I find William being English one of the most frustrating things in the franchise lol

[@MIIKK0OL]

as a british person, i 100% agree. i didnt even notice that

[@Khloe.6102]

@@NJH01and why is that?

[@cl5ne]

@@Khloe.6102 Probably just cause FNAF is set in Utah, obviously it is very possible for British people to move to America but it was probably just a random curve ball that only annoys them because it was kind of random

[@Framecell]

​@@cl5neit make sense the afton family immigrate to usa. Because william want to work with henry

[@Tailsgothicangel1]

Matpat is gonna dropkick his computer over this LMFAO Update: HE DROPKICKED HIS BOOK. I AM PRACTICALLY A FORTUNE TELLER! HOLY HECK!

[@Ilikewooper]

Good thing he retired

[@Moonlight_0419]

He already lost it with the dual process theory, and now this XD

[@biyoself]

I'm so hoping he reacts to this

[@eleanor3445]

@Ilikewooper hes not retired…he still owns gtlive i think and visits gtheory so often

[@Gl1tch3d_C0de]

@@eleanor3445apparently he officially leaves gtlive in october or something (according to other fans.. I’ve been too busy to watch lives if they’ve been mentioned on there)

[@keeganguyer5237]

16:37 I can see Scott watching Theory videos on the logbook and banging his head on his desk until today.

[@HyperDroid]

honestly don't know why he hasn't already said something about it yet it's been 6 damn years 😭

[@MajorFrank10]

I feel like VIP was the biggest hint he could give.

[@keeganguyer5237]

@@HyperDroidLike, Imagine the secret ending for SOTM being Afton’s POV of the Bite of 93. And he screams the crying child’s name (and how he reacts to Micheal’s role in what he just did). Not only could it 100% confirm his name, but also give us some insight to the Afton family relationship.

[@themanwithaplan5425]

@@HyperDroid I think he was just waiting for this day!

[@homerman76]

​@@HyperDroid It's kind of hinted at in the FNAF movie interviews, he just prefers to use later entries to push fans in the right direction and fill in blanks that they're missing 🤔

[@emmabobemma5]

I’d say Dave is a lot more compelling of an answer than Evan for his name especially because of existence of the name in the franchise apart from the puzzle

[@camwyn256]

And, given the era, "Dave's not here, man" is just fitting

[@samb3209]

Dave being Afton’s fake name in the Silver Eyes sold it for me fr

[@RandomDoodlesIDo]

100% agree with you. Even if the ‘n’ made sense, I still feel like David would have fit in better.

[@RuneTacticss]

yeah Dave just seems to fit with the naming convention

[@circusbabysgallerysl]

We also have had characters called Evan in the franchise

[@smoothjazz17]

This theory is made even stronger by the fact that the "reflection" passages seem to line up with at least two questions that Cassidy asked. Reflect on your happiest day - the party was for you. Reflect on your dreams - do you still have dreams. One also asked about imaginary friends, could be linked to seeing/hearing?

[@lil_st]

Dave actually makes sense, considering afton family members names They got pretty formal names William Micheal Elizabeth And now David I think that would make sense (Edit: wow I don't have as many subscribers as I have likes on this comment 😂)

[@KobVex]

Very British names

[@JoyDoesArt24]

🇬🇧☕

[@antoniocarlosoliveira9146]

Also biblical names , except William, but William's name means " strong Willded " , and William was strong Willded to become imortal.

[@adamwinkeler3391]

Honestly, this makes perfect sense! The Afton kids being David, Michael and Elizabeth (super common names especially in the late 70's) works so well.

[@ItsGBMoD]

i knew it! astralspiff was the crying child all along

[@End_Guard]

Lmao

[@artisticmuff1n]

Spigg really was the key to fnaf

[@ecw613]

The spiff is astraling

[@GalacticaWisp]

We need to get him to watch this 😂

[@sebforce1165]

Wait, wait, it's just as likely to be David Baron, too. Although either way, _does that mean that they've been CANADIAN this entire time, not British??????_ :P

[@deku6606]

Dude you have convinced me. This feels right, and the idea of William using his sons name is just perfect for his character and the line of "I will put you back together"

[@serenepastel]

This is the biggest stretch, but reminding me of the “put back together” line just made me think of one of the most famous sculptures in the world: the David. Which in turn makes sense because ultimately, the CC isn’t much more than a project to William on one level (much like an art piece), but represents something far greater when put in the context of remnant experiments (like how the David was a piece from Florence meant to intimidate those in power in Rome). It’s a bit early, so I’m not sure if I’m articulating this well, but long story short, Dave scratches the art history itch when taking the CC as a symbol for William’s ambitions.

[@deku6606]

​@@serenepastelOOO I like this idea

[@CloudMouth27]

@@serenepastel"the" shouldn't be used in front of names and proper nouns, for future reference

[@dyingofdioxide]

@@CloudMouth27 it is used in this case because "the David" isn't a person, it's a sculpture

[@LUSProductionsOfficial]

Dave/David Afton being the Crying Child's name is probably the most satisfying answer we can get, so that'll be part of my personal headcanon now

[@alexanderp_]

I 100% believe that the Tally-marks are the way of Scott guiding us to Cassidy's name. He 100% thought that we were gonna be stuck at Cassidy's name instead of Dave's. I BET that Scott was/is laughing at us all this time for not finding the easier name first. Good Job!! You cooked with this theory!!!!

[@RowanTS]

A possible meta reason for why he used 39 in the first place, might be because that’s the crying child’s age now - scratching tally marks like the stereotypical prisoner, especially given how important ‘birthdays’ are to the character. This book was published in 2017, which minus 39 gives you 1978, the bite was in 1983, making him five years old (which feels about right).

[@RronKarahoda]

I appreciate that this is in keeping with "the party was for you" in that CC is stuck on his birthday.

[@ghostybunn]

And the crying child's birthday is presumably in the summer! Scott Cawthon was also born in 1978, June 4th specifically, I think it would be honestly hilarious if he made the crying child's birthday the exact same as his own

[@EvrytForReal]

@@ghostybunn yo thats crazy

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

Not at all, seem more like seven or eight

[@S3n0rita_M1steri0]

Oooooh ngl that theory is very good!!

[@monstrdog7031]

How dare willy not only steal his dead kids name, but make him sound like a 40 year old man :V

[@wilymoto6501]

Well, call him David.

[@TheBlue_NL]

Well, Dave whould be a 10-12 year old in 1983, this makes him 50+ today. Dave wasn't such a weird name to give your kid back in the 70's and 80's.

[@Ranchy-Randy]

To be fair, by the time, if he lived to modern times, would be around 40/50

[@HyperDroid]

look naming children is hard okay, William is already uncreative as is (Henry was always the genius between them so)

[@ArticFoxesandPenguins]

LOL

[@MajorFrank10]

I fee like Scot was trolling with us in VIP by using Ike and Devan as brothers. It’s like he combined cc’s actual name and the name everyone was calling him. Dave + Evan = Devon

[@HyperDroid]

wait that's so true haha

[@justice8718]

It should be noted that Ike is the younger brother. Maybe Mike was brought back to life and Dave ended up dying at Freddy’s at some point.

[@seadragonpirate8195]

💀

[@abdullahemek2488]

Ike for Mike and Devan for Dave...

[@mslightbulb]

@@abdullahemek2488 But with their age reversed.

[@Platinuments]

My girlfriend and I were just watching this again, when we came to the "TYFWA" solution that came up nothing. She instantly said, "To you from, William Afton"... I was just sat jaw agape for a bit. But it just doesn't work does it? I'm impressed she just spun round and said that outta nowhere though! She's not a fan per say, but we enjoy the videos! Clearly more than I appreciated. This is still one of the most concrete theories this series has ever seen. Massive well done again!

[@axilehusky]

WOAH

[@ALostGlitch.]

This actually makes sense

[@wabbawabbawoop]

I've been waiting for this answer since I was in elementary school. This makes so much sense that I feel it in my bones dawg.

[@carsonphillips8008]

If these theories are true (which I honestly fully believe), I bet Scott was sitting in complete disbelief at how complicated everyone was making a puzzle whose solution was simply “39 = 39”

[@HyperDroid]

hahaha honestly it'll be so funny if it's truly that simple

[@TotallyNotAnAltAccountForMusic]

right when i saw the 39 = 39 you wrote, i though 3x3 and 9+9 which is 9 and 18, then i got 198, so then i thought "well theres 7 tallies" so 1987. idk why i thought of that by just 39 = 39 lol

[@TheHardR]

@@TotallyNotAnAltAccountForMusicYou did ALL that?!

[@carsonphillips8008]

@@TotallyNotAnAltAccountForMusic The brains of fnaf fans need to be studied because how are we ALL hard wired to instinctively over complicate things

[@bigblue207]

@@carsonphillips8008confirmation bias

[@yoekt]

David meaning “beloved” also might refer to and hint at David being William’s favorite child as, if you believe he was the very first to die, David would be the catalyst to William’s murder spree. A child so “beloved” by his father his death drove William to insanity. Also even if the name Dave Miller may not be William’s canon alias when he works as a night guard in the games, the fact that the name Dave is associated (or should I say RELATED) with William Afton at all could mean something.

[@axisaxolotl5875]

No, it is true that Elizabeth is the favorite

[@commodorex]

@@axisaxolotl5875 Far from it, in _any_ continuity William seems to overlook or underappreciate Elizabeth and he sees Michael more as a tool, "David" would naturally be his favorite. In the books, Elizabeth is a tool Afton uses for his own gain, in the games he completely overlooks her, in the movie she either doesn't exist or is Vanessa, who he still mistreats.

[@googleimagesradiohost]

Why hello there, old sport

[@lillilgirl6022]

I’m absolutely in love with this theory. William having Michael, David, and Elizabeth, all Biblical names as others have pointed out, seems very fitting for the creator of this series. I love that you used the mirror and I can’t believe how close the community was! All this time. Imagine if that final question and answer had been slightly more clear in their relation to one another. Makes you wonder if a small tweak could’ve helped the community find this solution faster.

[@Jennifer-qq8cj]

More Proof of crying child's name being Dave in Security Breach: there has been significance of the name Dave/David which either hints or parallels at the theory that crying child's name is Dave. In Security breach in the when you go to upgrade your entry ticket to get into the pizzeria there is a duffel bag and the note is titled "HI DAVE" in all caps almost hinting at significance even though the message just says: "CUSTOMER COMPLAINT - You should fire Dave. He sucks.". It really does feel like Scott Cawthon has been rubbing it in our faces the whole time. Anyways just felt like another parallel that is trying to hint us in the right direction.

[@cruxell]

0:11 "Cryin' Childe"

[@Pixlewatchtoo]

Australians in fnaf be like

[@imfrod]

cryin' ed sheeran

[@NoBrakes219]

Thats the real CC lmfao

[@kayak22channel]

​@@Pixlewatchtooisnt it southern accent?

[@legogenius22]

While I can understand the one answer to cassidy's not being super direct I'm missing how its a dead stop for some of you. The reflect thing is so incredibly rock solid beyond a shadow of a doubt...what more could you want? This is a phenomenal theory. Can't wait to see Matpats reaction. The Foxy grid being solved while he is still active enough to see it and respond is such a perfect thing for the last phase of Matpat, so thank you Hyper Droid.

[@HyperDroid]

thank you so much, this really means a lot! :))

[@brattygamer8939]

I agree, the reflect thing is really what got me. Because outside of it leading to an answer to something, it is WAY out of place in not only the franchise (reflection or self reflection isn’t a major theme) and for the book- why would a security guards log book be pushing self reflecting, or using the WORD reflect when plenty of other words would have fit as well. As a writer one of the first things I do when editing is to check for words I just overused the hell out of… then I go back and find synonyms for them so you don’t read the same word every half a page- if this wasn’t intentional I don’t think we’d be seeing it SO FUCKING MUCH in the book.

[@mareysue6370]

Honestly I think the logbook puzzle just wasn’t super amazingly thought out by Scott or whoever else was involved with it lol. The fact that it took this long is kind of a testament to that

[@nyxthest4r]

I’VE ALSO BEEN THINKING THIS! Ever since I heard that ‘Evad’ was the foxy grid, I’ve always been like “uhh just put it backwards, it’s just Dave” I’M SO GLAD I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT OF THIS!!!

[@SpectreBagels]

I think this is a great find cause I always found it weird that the mirror didnt seem to come into play as much as it should have. But this makes so much sense

[@HyperDroid]

EXACTLY, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE MOST IMPORTANT PAGE IN THE WHOLE LOGBOOK - ofc it means something!

[@jamesferguson448]

0:39 A GAME THEORY

[@cjcool5215]

Thanks for watching

[@TheParrotPlays]

XD

[@13xPetra]

It's in the contract XD

[@TheNiczolai]

Currently on a little FNAF revisit, and I have to say your theory holds water. I’m impressed. This was a really interesting perspective, especially pointing out the use of “reflect” in the pages with Cassidy’s questions.

[@Arkham13v]

It took 3 years to find the crying child's name only to be forgotten. And you brought it back to the light. You sir deserve my respect.

[@24Ippo]

Huh I've wondering about how lore fans manage to get that name at the time but the foundation of that theory was flimsy at best. They just found that name like they put two pieces of a puzzle while missing the rest of the package so most of us discarded the idea.

[@KuraiCry]

Dave sounds like it'd make sense. They all have names that can be shortened... Michael = Mike David = Dave William = Will/Bill That being said, nobody says 'Mike Afton' or 'Will Afton,' so I will def be calling him 'David Afton'

[@stackingspaghettisauce4271]

Elizabeth = Ellie/Elle/Ella/Belle/Bella/Eliza/Elise/Liza/Lisa/Beth....

[@sanstheskeleton6791]

​@@stackingspaghettisauce4271 Lizzy

[@DeadIy_.Reaper]

@@stackingspaghettisauce4271Good god 💀😭

[@RaptorUnner64]

That's why I prefer Evan Afton. It just rings off the tongue better then Dave Afton

[@jan_Eten]

>nobody says 'Mike Afton' ðe name page:

[@452pokemaster]

This theory is awesome! The only drawback is that the answers that the Crying Child gives to Cassidy's questions aren't always answers, but rather statements. The infuriating part of finding a four letter name is that it's a lot easier to stumble into unintended solutions. Like, the name Cassidy is a whopping 7 letters, and the method to finding it is so deliberate that it could never happen on accident. If CC's name were actually something along the lines of Garrett, it would be so much easier to confirm...

[@Username86486]

So true. There are like hundreds of four letter names

[@DrummerJosh]

Dude, I can't believe someone finally solved it. Congratulations. Your name shall be sung in the halls of Valhalla.

[@sneakydaddyman9882]

This makes perfect sense. Considering we called him Evan for years, i don't think people will have an issue calling him Dave now.

[@sophieslater596]

This makes so much more sense the way you got Dave than how other people got Evan. It’s more straightforward, you’ve convinced me, he’s called Dave to me now

[@CEOofBdubs]

Best solution I’ve ever seen. Every other solution requires some weird logic breaks to get an answer. This feels like it was actually intended and lines up for several reasons

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Well that’s actually a nice theory. The crying child has so many names that this just feels like another one added on to the pile. I’m not fully sold until his name is confirmed definitively at this point.

[@zenvariety9383]

Definitely an interesting theory. I think there's another theory that states that crying child's name is Cassidy. In fact, I think newer material sort of points to the crying child being the 5th MCI victim. Yet I have yet to play the games, read the books, or watch the movie it seems interesting that the Cassidy victim theory is gaining traction regardless.

[@fnaffoxy1987]

@@zenvariety9383 It's literally impossible for BV to be the 5th MCI victim. BV dies after having his head crushed by Fredbear, while the 5 MCI victims are killed by William and stuffed into the animatronic suits, possibly at a separate location entirely. Cassidy is the 5th MCI victim, not BV. (Note: BV is short for Bite Victim)

[@Mattis06]

@@fnaffoxy1987well CC didn’t immediately die but went into a coma and william and michael talked to him during the ending of fnaf 4, now I don’t believe he was one of the five, but he didn’t immediately possess fredbear, so something had to happen for him to possess fredbear.

[@legogenius22]

NOTHING IS CONFIRMED IM THIS FRANCHISE LMAO HOW ARE YALL NOT GETTING THIS IS AS GOOD AS IT GETS

[@HyperDroid]

fair enough!

[@Alexrun902]

This is easily my favorite solution to amything Freddy's related yet! Dave/David is so perfect for CC, and it makes some much sense! I thought the solution was just to take the numbers CC altered next to and the page numbers they were both on to get the actual letter locations, but this is way better. Great job, man!

[@scarlettefoxx5585]

If reflect is only mentioned four times it could have led to the four questions Self Reflection-> look in the mirror-> i cant see Reflect on what youre grateful for->toy friends->i can hear sounds (a stretch) Reflect on your happiest day->party->it was for me Reflect on the meaning of your dreams->nightmares-> im scared Just saying it might be another skipped step 🎉😅

[@yeah_boi]

Maybe his name is the fnaf we made along the way

[@JohnsWorld19]

WILLIAM USED HIS DEAD SONS NAME AS A COVER?!

[@daltonbell5907]

Sounds like something he would do.

[@medhathefni9485]

And also remember Michael used the name of the dead foxy kid to get hired at the fnaf 2 location so using a dead kid's name to get hired at a pizza place in fnaf isn't new

[@daltonbell5907]

@@medhathefni9485 yeah I have a theory that he's also Jeremy but let's just stick to one controversial idea at a time.

[@KMBA526]

@@daltonbell5907why would he work overtime with a different name that’s stupid Just use one

[@medhathefni9485]

@@daltonbell5907no we're 100% sure that Jeremy is Bonnie Bully/Cassie's Dad there is a lot of evidence that points to it

[@enzuhhhhbr]

No one pointed out on how DAVE means BELOVED, but GARRETT is (almost) an anagram to TARGET. It's contradictory how Dave is just a victim, a _target_ , of bullying, and target of the first -of- from many misdeeds of Fazbear Entertainment. In counterpart, Garrett in FNaF Movie was just straight up _beloved_ by his brother.

[@happyfellowship4291]

SIGNAL BOOST THIS!!! I was personally fond of Evan as a name, but Dave fits _perfectly._ Michael, David, and Elizabeth are all Biblical names. The Silver Eyes came right after FNAF 4, and it has always bothered me that there's no mention of Crying Child in the entire trilogy--but maybe he was there the whole time... Fabulously done, what a perfect theory for the year of the 10th anniversary. Now all we need to do is solve Midnight Motorist and we'll be golden!!

[@eclipsica6107]

Everyone @ MatPat so he reacts to this on GT Live before he leaves the channel in October

[@the94thtoast]

HE IS!?!?

[@SpectreBagels]

How would you even do that?

[@Mattis06]

he told it on a gtlive episode.

[@SpectreBagels]

@@Mattis06 He said how to @ him? Which live was that? Sorry I really don't know how that works with KZbin

[@Mattis06]

@@SpectreBagels sorry i @ed the wrong person

[@bekoobove3196]

Overall I think this is solid! Not 100% convinced, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for any clues that point to this. Also, thanks for calling out that William using CC's name would be basically desecration and an indicator he's an awful father, cause you know some fans would be like "He's honoring his beloved son! What a loving dad!'

[@Dav458]

How is it a desecration of Dave is crying child's name? I'm genuinely curious. (Btw,I do think that William is a POS parent and person in general,not defending Afton in any way. I just don't understand why na!omg himself Dave after his son is bad)

[@NiloQuest]

@@Dav458I think (this is just me interpreting) that with who William Afton is, and the actions he takes with all his children, it shows a sinister pattern. Like, normally if your child died and you renamed yourself to them that could be sweet? But even then I doubt a parent who lost a child wants to be reminded at every interaction and would go out of their way to. Especially themselves. But there is some nuance in that. I’ve never lost a child so I wouldn’t know. But William has neglected his children, used them, got them hurt, manipulated them, and even if he THINKS he cares for them, his actions are despicable. So we know if he did pick a new alias, even if it was out of “love” it was for all the wrong reasons. And really, he’s tainting his child’s name as he goes on to commit heinous acts. Thats just my interpretation though, you’re free to feel differently!

[@EmotianalBrat]

How does it mean he didn’t care for his kids. I’m not defending there are so many other reasons he’s a shitty father but I don’t see how this would be one

[@HyperDroid]

precisely!

[@NiloQuest]

@@EmotianalBrat Because (in my opinion) it would indirectly show that William doesn’t care at all. He is fine using his dead child’s name to get away with a crime, when he could pick any other name, to absolve himself of any of the consequences his actions caused. The best thing to honor the child would be his abusive dad turning himself in and never harming another child. But that’s not what happens, obviously. Like I said, it could be out of love from his eyes, but really it shows how little he really cares. Or how warped his mind is that he thinks using his dead child’s name, is normal and a loving thing. Or maybe he did it to remind himself of his goals to bring his son back and torture himself. Or something.

[@spacealien3073]

Honestly this is probably the best I've seen in terms of figuring out the solution so I will happily adopt "Dave" as crying child's name in the absence of anything to counter this. Like I'm genuinely tired of awkwardly referring to a fictional character by his behavioural tendencies + noun for a sub adult human lmao

[@Blox248]

Omg, this all falsl together so well! Finally, after all these years, we have the Crying Child's name! Huge kudos to you and the people who also worked it out years ago and got ignored!

[@krystalingram]

I LOVE this theory!!! And especially the evidence point of “David” being written on the child’s drawing in the movie. I also think that 39 being just a starting point of “hey look at these numbers” makes a lot of sense too. ESPECIALLY with there being TWO page 39s! That’s something that a lot of people could easily miss. Awesome theory video!!!!!

[@Kirasque]

Yeah, you convinced me. It feels weird to call a little kid "Dave", but it was the '80's. All the middle aged Daves had to come from somewhere

[@jerms99]

bro you COOKED with this one. I remember in a recent video I saw about fnaf saying the mirror means something. Brilliant work.

[@Personian]

I actually really enjoy this idea, and William using his dead son’s name as his alias seems really in character for him

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

This is a really sensible theory, but also, imagine making a needlessly convoluted puzzle that takes your readership years to solve, and making the solution 'Dave'. Makes me wonder if there's some puzzlebook Golden Raspberry award we can nominate Scott for.

[@ake2216]

Dave makes so so much sense. William got back to that name so often

[@TheOGkiwi746]

Even in the interview Scott did for the 10th anniversary that he has always been bad with names so him repeating David/Dave throughout the books and games does add up too, and the fact that it’s been “solved” years ago. Great video 🖤

[@nomorebathrobes]

Also the name Fritz (Like father, like son) can be applied to the fact that Mike could go on the orders of the Father to the position of a security guard with the name that his father came up with for him

[@stackingspaghettisauce4271]

I'm sold. Someone get this to Matpat stat. He'd be thrilled to see the Foxy grid be solved before he leaves

[@Enven37]

He already left?

[@CloudMouth27]

@@Enven37he's going to leave GTLive in October

[@Enven37]

@@CloudMouth27 WAIT WHAT? WHEN DID HE SAY THAT?

[@Billyblue98]

6:50 So his name is Dave This actually isn't a new solution, but I don't remember if it was ever given any reasoning aside from "Well, Evan would work, but Evad wouldn't. . . But what if we just flipped it around? Dave is a name." So. . . the whole mirror thing is genius. Thanks for putting logic to the method

[@kalaniturner1228]

Holy Shit, I think you did it!

[@HyperDroid]

THANK YOU SO MUCH

[@mrleeincorp]

I'm so glad someone else has come to this conclusion!! I remembered looking at the original Evan Solution when it was first found and seeing something along the lines of "I got EVAD first, but obviously that's not a name so I kept looking" in the post, and thinking "But... That's Dave backwards. Dave Miller? He's using his son's name? Is no one acknowledging this?" So honestly, this is super vindicating for me, and I'm glad you've found actual solid evidence that clicks for it!!

[@Some_Pokemon_Lover]

I accept his name is Dave, but im still calling him the crying child.

[@Timiboy]

This actually settles something that's irked me for the longest time, the afton family is British, or at least has British toned names, William, Micheal, Elizabeth. So for crying child to have a name like Evan couldn't make sense, even dave irks me a little but dave can be short term for David. Which would also fit

[@cyberame]

no yeah 100%! dave as short for david is a very british name. saint david is literally the patron saint of wales! i'm not sure you could get much more 70s/80s british tbh... they're all finally british names :')

[@looner1661]

It actually makes more sense if you take in consideration that the name William chose in the book series of the other animatronics is Dave Afton

[@brigittehuber9745]

I remember this being pushed back rather aggressively a few years ago because MatPat dismissed it as too convoluted without even checking xD Nice to see the solution back. Honestly, it's the best take I've seen and the name fits totally with the bible-thing that Scott has going on. Chears man - and congrats on solving it on your own! That's amazing!

[@LRKade]

12:37 Michael is on round 39 of cod zombies 👀

[@shogakunred]

Not the most important detail you mentioned, but I think what really sold me on it was when said that David means "beloved". I think your methodology is sound enough, but maybe there's a detail I'm missing from lack of intimate use of the Survival Logbook. I'm probably not going to use the name until we see more of a consensus form, but as for this being proof, you've got me sold.

[@DoktorGirlfriend]

As soon as "EVAD" popped up, I was like "WAIT--" That makes so much sense I'm mad about it. Still gonna use Garrett for personal fanworks bc I've already invested too much time in it, but this is too logical not to be canon.

[@ShadowExists]

I love the idea of Crying Child's name being Dave (or David) I honestly don't know why I love it so much, but I just do. My gut is telling me his name is Dave I swear-

[@gordonramslay9955]

ok we might be silly. How did we not figure this out years ago 😭 it seems so obvious, Scott must’ve been so annoyed at how close we came

[@ItsM-005]

“What kind of serial killers name would be Dave?” The real question should be what kind of serial killers son name would be Dave?

[@LeoniPearson-ik9pn]

I think this is right. It's the simplest solution that actually makes sense. Maybe some of the questions and answers are a stretch, but then again, there are a lot of stretches in fnaf.

[@mareysue6370]

10:06 You’ve pretty much convinced me on the Crying Child’s name. That being said, I do think it’d be incredibly dumb on Scott’s part if he made another character who has the same name, is the young son of a Fazbear roboticist, is heavily associated with a plush toy, is tragically killed in the early 80s, and whose death is important to the story and leads to major supernatural phenomena as a “narrative parallel” within the _exact same timeline._ If that story truly is supposed to take place in the main continuity then that’s a pretty asinine creative decision.

[@hitmax2472]

I really like the idea of the crying child name being dave, just fits so much

[@mothmanthegendergoblin8749]

i've occasionally seen ppl call the crying child david and i've always wondered why, this makes so much sense. i just randomly got recommended this video but i am so hype for your big video coming out, glad to have found this channel

[@KooroshA-jj9ii]

10:30 It's okay bro....I proud of you that you got everything of this by your own, no matter how many people found this before you.

[@Cypherspace]

So this solution has been around for a bit and I’ve been a huge proponent for it so here’s hoping this video will bring more eyes on it! Here’s all the evidence I’ve collected for it currently: - Dave/David fits perfectly within the pattern of characters (especially those connected to Crying Child) having and using both shortened and long versions of their names: Mike/Michael, Will/William (or Bill/William), and Charlie/Charlotte. (You could arguably also include Ness/Vanessa, Greg/Gregory, and Liz/Elizabeth, although "Liz" is never officially used for Elizabeth as far as I'm aware) - In Tales from the Pizzaplex the primary character the Mimic "mimics" is a boy named David with _brown hair_ and _brown eyes_ who _carries around a plush everywhere he goes_ meanwhile in RUIN the primary character the Mimic "mimics" is Gregory, and I shouldn't need to go into all the numerous connections between him and the Crying Child like the bandaid on his left knee shared with the drawing of CC in the Character Encyclopedia or him taking a bite out of a yellow Freddy popsicle in SB for example. (Figuring out how two extremely similar kids named David realistically works under TalesGames is a job for someone who knows more about it than me but I don't doubt it can be done) - Like you bring up, in The Silver Eyes William's fake security guard name (Dave Miller) also being the name of a dead kid is nearly identical to how (potentially) Michael's fake security guard name Fritz Smith is also the name of a dead kid, being Fritz the MCI victim. (On top of that there's also the possibility Jeremy Fitzgerald is a fake name shared with an MCI victim but that's a lot more up in the air currently) - Searching "Top names of the 1980s" shows that _David_ was in the *Top 10* names right alongside _Michael_ and _Elizabeth_ - Remember how the primary evidence used for CC's name being Evan is that in the Frights story "The Real Jake" Jake's father is named Evan with a brother named Michael? Well the _only other named father character_ in the entire story is named *_Dave_* and even further he has *three kids* one of whom is friends with Jake and that kid's name is *_DAVEY_* - In VIP the Interactive Novel our main characters are a pretty direct callback to Mike and CC being a young boy named Ike (who carried around a plushie everywhere and who's favorite ride is the Carousel) alongside his older brother Devon (who's annoyed at having to watch his younger brother to the point of physically abandoning him on his own). And if we take a closer look at those names we see that Ike is literally just Mike without the *M* and that _Devon_ is a perfect cross between the names _David_ and _Evan_ the names were just switched around between the two brothers cause naming the older brother "Ike" definitely would have been way too obvious. - And for possibly the wildest piece of evidence, in the FNAF Movie a huge focus is put on the drawing depicting the Yellow Rabbit holding hands with the MCI kids. However as John/Fuhnaff has pointed out in his recent video, the drawing's depiction of the blonde-haired Golden Freddy kid looks to have originally been a drawing of a _different kid_ wearing a *Blue Shirt* and *Red Pants* with the face of the Golden Freddy kid simply cut out and glued on over top. If this kid is supposed to be a representation of CC like JohnFuhnaff speculates than it’s incredibly wild that *_directly_* to the left of this kid there's another drawing seen in clear view of the camera throughout the film, and it's a drawing of a kid wearing the same *_Blue Shirt_* and *_Red Pants_* with a name prominently written above him. *_DAVID_* With how heavily involved Scott was in the development of the movie and with how specific he is about trying not to mislead people in the wrong direction I _cannot_ imagine that he would have let such a specific name be shown so prominently in frame throughout the movie (and directly next to a mysterious matching kid no less) if it wasn't intentionally put there for a reason.

[@terra_creeper]

Honestly the top names in the 1980s thing alone is an incredibly compelling piece of evidence. It's not concrete by any means but it makes so much sense. Say what you will about scott, but you can cleary see that often he just decided things on a whim without considering the wider conclusions of that decision. It is so easy to picture him googling names for the afton children and just picking some from a top 10 list.

[@cinnamonbun1379]

While most of this feels spot on, as somebody with some experience in film production, I suspect it's far more likely to be due to some behind the scenes thing regarding the Golden Freddy kid's actor, be it a last minute recast or even the artist mistakenly using the wrong hair color because of how seamless it is. After all, it's clear they made efforts to disguise it with the blue scribbles all lining up. Film is a very visual medium so if a filmmaker were trying to get the audience to notice something like that, it almost certainly would have been far more obvious

[@Senwa_Zenno]

The name Dave will either be the final answer to this mystery, or it will just join the list of popular but unconfirmed names that fans use for the Crying Child like Evan and Chris :/

[@mylam658]

Kenny was one too, you had to be in the trenches to remember that one 😭

[@RiceneEue]

Evan is better than David

[@bupboi6412]

Did Chris ever have a theory reason for being a name? I just remember people using it because it started with a C tbh

[@mylam658]

@@bupboi6412 Nah, it never had a theory behind it, it was just a nickname given to him by fans that became too popular

[@Senwa_Zenno]

@@bupboi6412 From what I remember, it was created not too long after Fnaf 4 was released. It originated from that famous audio clip that is used in many fan animations of the Bite from Fnaf 4. It’s the same audio where Michael/Foxy Bro was called Terrence. Both of these names are completely fan made and have no evidence of being cannon.

[@carmandirda]

After all the pain of the Evan controversy and why it felt SO CLOSE yet so far... perfection 😭😂 finally! An answer that makes sense!

[@Kurple_guy]

7:38 dave miller is cannon

[@wizardfucker8999]

DAVE MILLER IS REALLLL

[@bsks370]

I honestly never thought there would be a day where I could confidently say I felt the foxy grid is solved but you have absolutely proved me wrong. This is a phenomenal theory, thank you.

[@KevinArellano69]

We as a community are dumb. You got to be kidding me. Matpat read into every little bit of the games, but he didn't notice this?!?!?!?!??! What in the world is wrong with us?!

[@33pandagamer]

It all stems from over thinking and second-guessing ourselves

[@Myang_doo]

Thank you for writing subtitles in this video, most of the other theory vids weren't so it was hard to watch

[@HyperDroid]

I always make sure subtitles are available as soon as the video goes live because to be fair it is just a script I can copy + paste so it's easy for me and helpful for everyone else haha :)

[@blanktm228]

Fantastic work! Thank you kindly. Also appreciate greatly you went out of your way to give credit to other theorists

[@gamerphobe]

i really, really like this one. the name “david” just clicks so well in a way evan, chris, etc. never did. really stellar work!!

[@TheA_J_RGang]

Dude you've conected your thought process and the answer so well! Great video!!

[@HyperDroid]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! :D

[@kenna1up]

the most convincing evidence for me was when u pointed out how dave was the only name shown in all those kid drawings in the movie. love this theory cant wait to see peoples thoughts on it

[@JessieTheNobody]

NGL, I think this is probably the best answer we have unless something comes out later to correct us. I like it as it adds significance to William's choice of alias and the name's meaning fitting really well considering people think he died first and was the catalyst for William to begin killing people.

[@EmotianalBrat]

Wasn’t he tho…..?

[@Lisa_Flowers]

Thank you for writing and animating your script in a way that is so clear! I really struggle to follow what a lot of fnaf theorists are saying, I have awful brain fog and struggle to concentrate, and the lore is so damn confusing. But your videos explain things so clealry and in such a logical way, and don't assume the audience knows a bunch of stuff, so it is always very easy to follow.

[@MrFazbear87]

Yeah, I know what you mean. For me, I'm gonna say this whole story about the Crying Child from FNAF 4 feels like a piece from the Bible too. It reminds me of the story of David and Goliath from the book of David, where David was scared but brave because he had God on his side. But in the FNAF 4 story, it’s the opposite. Instead of defeating the giant, like David did, the Crying Child - whose real name is actually Dave, as revealed after the animatronic's comment - gets killed by the giant animatronic. And one thing to note is that this name was in the "Silver Eyes" book all along. There was a character named Dave there too. Although we generally think of the persona as William, imagine if, in the universe of the story, he got that name because of his son.

[@the94thtoast]

Afton Afton is cannon

[@DragoSonicMile]

Kaboom.

[@the94thtoast]

Kaboom.

[@LazyKaiKai]

Kaboom.

[@niamsx]

Kaboom.

[@UltraCraftYT222]

Kapow.

[@emrickazor2610]

I've been saying this for so long. Ever since the original "evad" thing came up. Turn it around, it's a real name, not only that, Dave/David was a popular name in the 70s.

[@Voxael]

Damn, both 'Dave' and the tally marks supposed to be the START of the puzzle is extremely convincing. I wonder if @Ryetoast will consider this to be a significant mention of 'David' in the franchise?

[@AbigailFelix-i7q]

Started watching this a couple days ago (presumably the day it came out) and my sister changed it (yt tv) and I hadn’t been able to find it since… Super pumped to find it on my recommended! I think that it’s a great theory (from what I was able to watch) and will continue to watch faithfully!

[@longfishy]

YOU GOT MATPAT TO DROPKICK THE LOGBOOK IN AGREEMENT! Well done!

[@HyperDroid]

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO